Badged as a Ford and smells very carbony
Posted by StripeyMiata@reddit | WeirdWheels | View on Reddit | 43 comments
Plate also comes up as a 1953 Ford
Posted by StripeyMiata@reddit | WeirdWheels | View on Reddit | 43 comments
Plate also comes up as a 1953 Ford
ImaginedUtopia@reddit
I'm not an expert on cars from the early 20th century but this looks like a replica, by the information from the plate, I'm guessing from the 50s or 60s. The proportions of the car seem off to me, the exhaust looks completely wrong for a car from 1910s/20s, same with the lights. They look way too modern and car like that wouldn't have blinkers.
SoundlessScream@reddit
Might be a resto mod
kindarollin@reddit
The stamped steel wheels are of putting also most stuff from the early 20s had wood spoked wheels still
BlackSwanMarmot@reddit
The wheelbase is too narrow for a T. The headlights are too low, although early ones had lights added since they only came with gas lamps. It’s almost certainly an early kit car or replica on a 50’s chassis.
Aggravating-Walk5813@reddit
Tires are too wide, metal wheels not wood. I kind of dig it actually.
righthandofdog@reddit
It's also got a manual transmission in the middle and doesn't have the giant brake.
SoundlessScream@reddit
Looks like a model a variant
3amGreenCoffee@reddit
People have been modifying the Model T since the '40s and '50s. This could be an actual Model T with later drivetrain, suspension and brakes modded onto it, or it could be a Model T body built on a later frame, or it could be a full on kit. My guess would be a later frame with a real Model T body sitting on it, but probably the only way you're going to get an answer short of the actual builder chiming in here is to ask the person driving it what it is.
ShalomRPh@reddit
I had to guess I’d say a SIVA Edwardian.
3amGreenCoffee@reddit
Except we already know it was registered in 1953.
ShalomRPh@reddit
The base vehicle was, yes. Then they took the body panels off and installed this body kit that was made about 1969.
I saw a T bucket once with New York plates on it, which means the window sticker has the model year printed on it. It was registered as a 1922 Ford, even though it had a V6 engine and a body that had never been anywhere near Dearborn.
Sudden_Hovercraft_56@reddit
Looks like a ford model T to me, but I am no expert on early fords so it could be a slightly later model.
BlackSwanMarmot@reddit
Those wheels are definitely not Model T wheels. It’s sitting on a later frame or at minimum, newer axles.
Sudden_Hovercraft_56@reddit
Could be a replica based on a Ford popular? That would explain the 1953 registration?
ShalomRPh@reddit
Looks like a SIVA Edwardian. Check rego for MTR-5 for a much more famous example.
Sudden_Hovercraft_56@reddit
Ah of course, How could I forget the Who-mobile. I can't picture them in anything other than Yellow.
obi1kenobi1@reddit
Based on my understanding of how UK plates work, it has to be a 1953 Ford, right? Like you can’t just lie about registration and hope it slips through the system if it was assigned when the car was new.
To me that means it must be a kit car, a 1953 Ford underneath with a Model T body kit. As an American I’m not familiar with UK/European Fords, but my best bet from a look at Wikipedia is maybe a Ford Prefect or Ford Anglia. Those had a very old fashioned shape, they’re small cars like whatever this is based on, but for me the main reason is that those wheels look like what I see on early ‘50s Prefects and Anglias online.
kaiserkeller_@reddit
It’s wild how in a space of 30 years or so, we went from this to those land yachts of the 50s
obi1kenobi1@reddit
I have a 1970 Oldsmobile land yacht.
It feels weird when people say cars from that era “drive like a modern car” because they really don’t, they’re way more plush and soft riding, they feel like you’re piloting a piece of machinery, and of course handling doesn’t exist at all. But like a modern car I can hop in it, start the engine, and go, it is very stable and well mannered as long as I don’t try to push it (no ABS or traction control), it is predictable and intuitive and it goes where I want without any thought. And of course the reason I bought one from this particular era, it has basic safety features like shoulder belts, headrests, collapsible steering column, side impact beams, and power front disc brakes with a dual circuit master cylinder. The kind of stuff that makes me feel comfortable driving it in modern traffic, it’s not a safe car but at least a neighborhood fender bender won’t be fatal.
Looking forward the driving experience never really changed after that. I have a 1984 version of the same car and it’s honestly almost indistinguishable apart from styling and the overall build quality of the car (the ‘80s were a big step down from the ‘60s). Under the surface it has an engine computer, but it still controls a carburetor so the driving experience is the same. And apart from having to step on the gas pedal to prime it before starting, and of course the nuisance of needing to keep it in tune, there’s really very little difference in the driving feel compared to fuel injection. Later cars got more technically advanced and safer but they apart from more stable handling you don’t really feel that much difference between a car from half a century ago and now.
But go in the opposite direction and every decade feels more noticeably primitive. Cars have been relatively easy to drive since maybe the ‘50s, especially with the popularity of automatic transmissions and power brakes and steering, but before maybe the ‘40s you still had to control things like spark timing and choke manually and transmissions often lacked synchromesh, so the cars were much more of a pain to drive. In the ‘20s a lot of cars were open cars like phaetons and roadsters, not even roll up windows, just a canvas top and if you were lucky plastic side curtains to keep the rain out. They commonly had two spare tires mounted on the sides of the car because you probably needed to change the tire at least once on a long trip. Coupes often only had two seats, with a second set of seats in the trunk outside the car. And in the ‘10s even electric starters and electric lights were cutting edge luxury features, and engine blocks as we know them weren’t universal yet, as some engines still had separate cylinders that could be removed from the block, or individual heads for each cylinder, because they needed to be repaired and rebuilt so often.
That 1970 car is 56 years old now, but basically anyone familiar with a modern car could get in it and drive it without missing a beat, it’s just a normal everyday car. But 56 years before that was 1914. Basically nobody in 1970 would be able to get into a 1914 car and drive it. For starters, the Model T’s pedals were a totally different layout and didn’t do what you expect them to, but even if you put the person in a car with a normal pedal arrangement and gearshift and brake lever they’d have to know how to set the steering wheel levers to make the engine run properly, they’d have to crank start the car, they’d have to shift a non-synchromesh gearbox, and once they were moving they’d probably have a heart attack at the practically nonexistent cable-driven mechanical manual brakes.
It’s crazy how fast and how dramatically cars changed for the first half century, only to basically settle into a status quo and be the same for the rest of time.
CuntMaggot32@reddit
It's crazier that the biggest limit to performance has been the same since the 1910s. Today, we can make cars that are guaranteed to blow the best tires ever made. Back in the 1910s, the natural rubber tires were not good enough to be used on racecars for any amount of time.
Willing_Big194@reddit
Fr tho, tires and brakes have always been the limiting factors
Overwatchingu@reddit
Then from the land yachts of the 50’s to the econo cars of the 80’s, and now we’re back to land yachts.
Willing_Big194@reddit
Automotive history is one of my favorite subjects. We evolved so fast
Bamres@reddit
It is really cool to see how things evolved. And one of the easiest ways to date a photo, especially of a city street is to see what cars are in it.
If you know csrs well enough, you can tell what the newest cars are even if the buildings or street look older.
ShalomRPh@reddit
I bet that’s a SIVA Edwardian Tourer. They were kit cars based on ‘50s Ford chasses.
Jon Pertwee drove one of those in the 1970-71 era on Doctor Who.
Adoran45@reddit
Ats here so it is. Ats us nai.
ddoherty958@reddit
Is this Belfast?
Datsuncog@reddit
Yes, Donegall Place.
ukexpat@reddit
DVLA details:
P_f_M@reddit
sorry for sidetracking... how is the Unihertz Titan 2? Worthy successor of BB K1/2?
Uranium-Sandwich657@reddit
Even compared to other cars today, Ford Model Ts are relatively cheap. Makes me wonder if it's worth getting over a modern car.
89iroc@reddit
Could it be something someone knocked together? Old friend of mine has a 1920s Ford tub with a 50s v8 on a I dunno, 30s chassis? He's a fabricator
DaveB44@reddit
It was first registered 15/1/53 & has a 933cc engine, so it's an EO4A Anglia. Those are typical British Ford wheels.
notalk82@reddit
Ok, I'll bite. What does "smells very carbony" even mean?
platdujour@reddit
FLT drive?
StripeyMiata@reddit (OP)
Good point. I meant there was a strong whiff on unburnt petrol from it.
notalk82@reddit
Oh ok, I figured it might have been a slang term/phrase that I'm unfamiliar with. No big deal, I was just curious.
Meta_Professor@reddit
This is the second old Ford here today. It's just a Model T. They are/were cool and are probably one of the most hot-rodded cars in history (and the origin of the term "hot rod")
Willing_Big194@reddit
Its a model T no?
RecentRegal@reddit
This wheels, front brakes and exhaust don’t look very pre-war. It also appears to have a central gear lever which no model t had.
Willing_Big194@reddit
Maybe an upgraded model A? Those wheels could be period but that exhaust is indeed weird. Maybe its a kit car.
VestigeOfVast@reddit
Definitely a repro of some sort, very low and heavy. Telltale: the front brakes, which modern cars would not receive until the mid-20s.
Weird-one0926@reddit
Maybe it was imported then?