Chinese Passenger's Mandarin Demand Delays AirAsia Flight
Posted by victoriablackee@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 111 comments
Posted by victoriablackee@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 111 comments
Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit
as expected from a mainlander, all of them think they're the main character
DavieStBaconStan@reddit
Hong Kong locals call them locusts.
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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit
guess where im from lol
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BuscopanV@reddit
The best thing is that she claims to be a stewardess with China Eastern, and yet she makes these ridiculous statements.
SitInCorner_Yo2@reddit
The second best is the big smile on Malaysian passenger’s face, they’re delay anyway, why not enjoy a clown show while at it.
tripleaw@reddit
China southern but apparently she’s not!
UrgentSiesta@reddit
I think “Auntie” doesn’t get out enough…
“If you can’t even speak basic Mandarin, you have no right to be in the service industry.”
“Who will compensate me for the time and money I’ve lost? If you don’t compensate me, this plane won’t take off. Let me make it clear—I’m from China.”
Well, considering she’s flying a Malaysian carrier…🤣
travelingpinguis@reddit
Auntie shouldnt go anywhere - then she could enjoy speaking Chinese all day.
confused_and_desufno@reddit
She'd still be pretty at home in Melbourne.
Critical-Cost9068@reddit
If she’s flying a Malaysian carrier, I actually think it’s reasonable to have Chinese-speaking staff. Given the proportion of Chinese speakers in that country, I would think it was legally mandated; it would be in any European country.
slash3re@reddit
The vast majority of Malaysian Chinese speaks Mandarin
UrgentSiesta@reddit
You obviously didn’t read the article.
And, in any case, Where’s the citation that airlines are mandated to have staff on board to cover EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE? 🤣
Critical-Cost9068@reddit
No one ever said every single language, I meant Chinese speakers in Malaysia/Singapore, that general region.
UrgentSiesta@reddit
You still haven’t read the article.
The woman’s behavior is inexcusable. Hopefully, SHE will be required to pay restitution to all the other passengers.
Critical-Cost9068@reddit
Yeah, I haven’t; I was talking in generalities about the Malaysia/Chinese comment, as if Malaysia isn’t top of the list of countries where I’d expect customer service in Chinese. That was nonsensical to me. I’ll take your word for it that this specific person was a malignant cunt.
tc4237@reddit
There's always one cabin crew on board who can converse in that language (simple Chinese). Announcement prior to departure would be made in English, berhasa and Chinese.
But Chinese have dialects and accents which can make actual face to face conversing difficult.
This particular karen understood English but played the language card to make things difficult. She self proclaimed to be a cabin crew herself.
UrgentSiesta@reddit
It’s one thing to have established conventions for customer service, quite another to pretend that there are mandates.
Open_Ad2975@reddit
Can't even spek the language, clearly lack of skill.
torsten_dev@reddit
You have no right to be rude, demanding and uncooperative while using our service... please leave.
UrgentSiesta@reddit
Yep. When I travel, I feel it’s incumbent on ME to ensure I understand what’s going on.
The good news is that I’ve generally found people to be incredibly gracious and willing to assist. Perhaps because I’m polite and humble about it. And, I do my best to be prepared in advance- easier than ever these days!
kind_bros_hate_nazis@reddit
Saying please and asking for help has never failed me internationally
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
Yeah they're having a huge mess with unruly Chinese tourists over there. At least they don't have to deal with the israelis like in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines etc...
TheHeroChronic@reddit
Unruly Chinese tourists were the worst part of my vacation to Barcelona and Prague
Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit
eh they're about as bad as what ive heard about the Israelis tbf
UrgentSiesta@reddit
I believe me, I see plenty of unruly Chinese tourists where I am, too! I can generally tell they’re Chinese just by !!!!HOW LOUDLY THEYRE SPEAKING!!!! 🤣
njsullyalex@reddit
Damn and here is me apologizing to service workers in other countries when I don’t speak their native language 😭
UrgentSiesta@reddit
And isn’t it great when (most) of them are more than willing to help out?
njsullyalex@reddit
Visited The Netherlands and Germany recently and service workers there have been super accommodating with speaking English. I don’t take it at all for granted.
Huffy_too@reddit
What is the Mandarin version of the name Karen?
iBaires@reddit
Karen-Son
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
The practice of adding "san" to a word is purely Japanese, not Chinese. Two entirely different languages.
GretaTs_rage_money@reddit
Karensson could be a Swedish last name though. 😁
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
The other guy asked what is the Mandarin version, not the Swedish version.
And your comment is irrelevant anyways. As I've told you before, it's spelled with an A, (SAN), not SON.
GretaTs_rage_money@reddit
Karensson could be a Swedish last name though. 😁
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
Go do something useful with your life instead of trolling.
Xycergy@reddit
There's a meme phrase online called 小仙女. The literal translation is 'little fairy', but it's used specifically to describe young women who are used to people giving them excessive privileges due to their youth and beauty, so they act like they are the center of the world.
xuanq@reddit
or, rather, their self proclaimed youth and beauty...
xuanq@reddit
Nowadays many say 小仙女 "little fairy girl", as they seem to believe they deserved to be treated as one. The male version would be 普信男 (mid but confident guy), because... you get it.
gravitysort@reddit
巨婴,giant baby
PuddlesRex@reddit
I asked my girlfriend (born and grew up in China) and she said that the closest is probably 事儿妈 (pronounced shi er ma). It's not a name, and it literally translates to "fussy old hen."
wasmic@reddit
That's a figurative translation. The literal translation would be "fussy mother".
LeviAEthan512@reddit
I suppose in Chinese, "literal" has a range depending on if you break things down into 4, 3, 2, or single words. I feel like the most literal (taking each character individually) would a mother of problems. As in, someone who spawns problems, not the largest problem, although that's also fitting.
Affectionate_Ice2243@reddit
pork chop princess
HarryTruman@reddit
i would be your tamarind king
travelingpinguis@reddit
A match made in oven.
DynamicStochasticDNR@reddit
In Taiwan, a derogatory term exists to refer to annoying entitled middle aged women “obasan,” which is just Japanese for “aunt.” But it’s much more insulting in colloquial mandarin in Taiwan
The male equivalent is “ojisan”
Techhead7890@reddit
The flight was leaving Chongqing and the article explicitly says Mandarin, so that would be the most relevant.
Realistoliberato@reddit
Alpaca
SwiftGuo@reddit
巨婴
sphinxNbeans@reddit
sha bi. means stupid cunt
sultanthecat@reddit
It has become a meme back home. Kepo chi is a colloquial slang for being busy body. For the plane steward it was from initially don't worry I can settle this to oops this one difficult to settle 😄. As you can see everyone had watched too much Natgeo videos all their life and suddenly find a live Karen in the wild. And the whole plane was in a chill mood and enjoying the mirth and merriment unfolding before them.
Cautious_Use_7442@reddit
Doesn’t China have fairly severe rules for unruly passengers? At least on domestic flights, you see security staff with bodycams walking around
Banfy_B@reddit
She's probably on the no-fly list for a few years at least. Depends on how severe the circumstances are and how far the authorities want to prosecute this she can be banned on domestic flights/railway in addition to fines and a suspended sentence.
Lumpy_Accident_9207@reddit
Why would she be banned from railway?
Shalteal@reddit
Would like to know her punishment once its cfm
Banned3rdTimesaCharm@reddit
I want to know the reaction of Chinese people to this. Do they agree with her?
thinwwll@reddit
Most people believe she had brought shame to the country. I haven't seen a single one defending her . But some are not happy with the reaction on Malaysian social media to this incident, believing there is indeed anti-Chinese sentiment.
ss1d_@reddit
Because there is lol. Msians generally do not like mainlanders
IvanThePohBear@reddit
I think need to jail her a few days to send a message
PuddlesRex@reddit
Her friend failed to clear immigration. She continues on without her friend. She gets upset at the workers for "not speaking the language". She demands to see a supervisor. Pilot deplanes her. She still demands compensation for her time and money.
Holy mother of Karens.
loid_forgerrr@reddit
Well at least she got reunited with her friend
tc4237@reddit
That was her aim.. Because her friends couldn't board.
SteveYunnan@reddit
And she's still making videos claiming she's in the right:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnfilteredChina/s/x36zJCIxf4
Key-Needleworker-702@reddit
r/unfilteredchina is a ai slop and propanganda sub so take everything with a grain of salt.
This incident happeend yes but i suggest you find a better source
SteveYunnan@reddit
All subs have their problems. I always take posts case by case. It's pretty clear that this is real.
Brave-Experience3228@reddit
lol. This guy is a mod of r/PeopleLiberationArmy. A CCP troll accusing other subs of propaganda—must be convincing /s
Key-Needleworker-702@reddit
i'm not saying it's not, just saying i would avoid that sub if i were you
i'm chinese myself and i frankly find the sub hilarious
SteveYunnan@reddit
I don't need to avoid anything. Propaganda and biases comes from all sides, and I have enough critical thinking skills to figure things out on my own.
travelingpinguis@reddit
Its also super common they use a filter on their face LOL.
FSpursy@reddit
shes basically ranting why other chinese people are hating on her and not taking her side lol
PsychologicalMeal162@reddit
So the Chinese are the new Americans?
tiger_lui@reddit
I think many people fail to see what is the root case of the problem here. Air Asia operates over 30 routes to China, not having at least one Mandarin speaking crew don’t go very far. You can’t assume everyone speak English, and if you can’t have Chinese speaking staff members perhaps this company should get out of Chinese market completely, or requires all passengers must understand English before boarding. Neither of these two options are good for the company.
It just happens to be a Karen exposing this underlaying issue.
FrankKeb@reddit
People just like to stick it to the chinese and are acting like mandarin isn’t somehow an international language spoken by about a third of Asia and that most international flight to and from China are full of Chineses and oversea Chineses. Also air Asia is a low cost, Air Canada, Qatar, British Airways etc Will have Chinese speaking fa.
AffectionateChip9763@reddit
Mate can you read? There were attendants who spoke mandarin, and went to the Karen but she refused to engage. It just so happened that the first attendant that went to her was not ethnic Chinese hence did not speak mandarin. I have been on this flight before and the announcements are in English and mandarin. There were also more than one flight attendant who could speak mandarin and I’m sure it’s the same on this flight that Karen was on. Karen insisted that the Malay attendant spoke to her in mandarin which is unreasonable. This is a Malaysia based flight it is not reasonable to expect all crew to speak mandarin. I hope this clarifies.
tiger_lui@reddit
No I did not read the article, I watched the clip. The article mentioned the supervisor is able to speak Mandarin, but was not intervened until a crew member eventually asked. I'm not expecting all crew to speak Mandarin, I'm expecting a Mandarin speaking crew member to handle the situation right away, not after an incident begins to go out of control or rely on other passengers to translate. I can't speak for the other passenger but not native speaker can easily go from "please lower your voice" > "She said shut up" in translation. That's why it's critical to have the crew handling it instead of relying on others. Honestly, do you think Karen will go increasingly frustrated if she was addressed in Mandarin right away instead?
"Jismah stated, “I approached her and politely asked her to lower her voice, but since she didn’t understand English, another passenger helped translate. That only made her angrier, and she vented her frustration at the passenger who assisted me.” Jismah added, “We eventually asked a supervisor who speaks Mandarin to intervene, but the woman confronted the supervisor and demanded to disembark. The pilot ultimately decided to return the aircraft to the gate.”"
FrankKeb@reddit
If she doesn’t speak English, she should go to Hainan. Take away her passport. English is the only language of the sky, if you don’t speak it don’t fly, it’s not safe.
guildleader77@reddit
I love how the other passengers on the plane are enjoying the show laughing at her rather than getting annoyed by the delay.
Malaysians are wholesome.
bananafrit@reddit
This incident spawned so many funny memes and jokes on Malaysian socmed. Saw a post on threads where someone said never underestimate the Malaysian glee when something is happening and you have tea to share with your whatsapp group. T'was a fun day
Unstoppable_Bird@reddit
I saw this over on Chinese media, a lot of Chinese netizen agrees with her saying that if the steward can’t speak Chinese they shouldn’t be placed on a flight arriving or departing from China.
There were literally steward who can speak Chinese on the plane (one of them approached her towards the end asking her to calm down or she will be deboarded, which the passenger replied telling the crew to do it if they date) all she needed to do was to ask not behave like an idiot.
GuardianSpear@reddit
Air Asia flights typically will have at least one staff who can speak the native language of the host or end destination country
Infamous_Mobile_3557@reddit
It’s standard for all carriers to have at least one FA who can speak English, the carrier’s home language, the departing country’s language and the destination country’s language. I’ve flown Malaysian Airlines, AirAsia, Cathay Pacific, Singapore Air, Qantas, Emirates, China Southern Airlines, etc. All do this. I’ve seen alliance partners’ FAs work shifts on partner carriers for the language skills.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Glass hearts in a nutshell.
Funny she claims that it is unreasonable the FA can't speak Chinese on an international flight while also claiming she is an FA from another airline (yet can't speak English on an international flight).
TimoKhoo@reddit
Worse still, China Southern refutes her claim.
gammawei@reddit
Apparently safety announcement was not conducted in the local language. This is puzzling as I thought it is usually done in English and local language. In this case it should be English, Mandarin for Chinese and Malay for Malaysian
rTpure@reddit
To be clear, this is a flight departing from China
Shouldn't there be at least 1 crew member who speaks the local language?
Of course that's no excuse for her unruly behaviour
ritesh808@reddit
It's a "nice to have", not a regulatory requirement. Also, maybe learn how to read? There's a whole article..
SirLoremIpsum@reddit
I'd be shocked if that was required.
That's gotta be a huge list of languages you'd need to fly to and honestly that feels unreasonable...
Qantas for instance flies to Italy, China, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan, India, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, South Korea. I really cannot see an Aussie airline having even 1/3 of those languages as common amongst staff based in Australia.
tacofullofregrets@reddit
I don't believe it is a hard requirement. From experience, at least on Singapote Airlines, they will communicate in a common language depending on where they fly to (eg: Denmark, the briefings were in English, China, the briefings were in English and Mandarin)
AffectionateChip9763@reddit
I’ve been on the same route on this AirAsia flight. And yes the briefings and announcements are all in English and mandarin. There were attendants on this flight who spoke mandarin but Karen refused to engage with them but insisted that the first attendant that came to her who wasn’t ethnic Chinese speak to her in mandarin.
MMPVAN@reddit
Lol uh no? It's. It a Chinese airline. Air Asia is a South East Asian airline based in Malaysia. You think a Chinese airlines flying to and from Japan would have it's chinese staff speak Japanese? Imagine the uproar all the nationalist chinese would have.
rTpure@reddit
Never flown a Chinese airline, so I don't know
I've flown Air Canada to China, Korea, Hong kong, Japan, and there was always at least 1 crew member who spoke Chinese, Korean, etc
I thought it was just good business sense to have a crew member who can speak the language of some of the passengers
AffectionateChip9763@reddit
It’s not mandatory, and like someone else said above there were flight attendants on that plane who spoke mandarin, approached her and the lady refused to engage but instead complained that the Malay flight attendant who is not ethnic Chinese speak to her in mandarin. So to answer your question yes there were attendants who spoke mandarin, I’m not sure which part of the comment above mentioning this that you don’t get and still insist on there needing be one person who spoke Cantonese or mandarin and business sense. Time to up your comprehension skills mate.
tacofullofregrets@reddit
Actually, it is common to have at least one member speak in a local language. Beyond any political thing, it also just facilitates communication and ensuring everyone understands the safety matters
Eclipsed830@reddit
Every airline in Asia will have someone that can speak the departure and arriving languages. In this case, the purser spoke Chinese.
TempoMinusOne@reddit
They do, and the leading steward (who speaks perfect Mandarin Chinese) was summoned to help with the problem. But Karens gonna Karen, she’s just throwing tantrum and grabbing whatever excuse at this point.
The best part is that this Karen claimed to be a FA for China Southern, so surely she should understand the requirement for PED to be turned off on door close/pushback no? Not to mention, not knowing English?
Very interesting.
Eclipsed830@reddit
The purser spoke Chinese.
Ok_Entertainer_4709@reddit
Probably though I won't expect it either. It's a malaysian-based flight so if anything I expect either English or Malay. Now granted there is Malaysian Chinese.
caldotkim@reddit
first of all, no.
second of all, the flight DID have a chinese-speaking flight attendant. karen just refused to speak to her and demanded that the non-chinese pursuer speak to her in chinese.
third of all, another passenger offered to translate for her and she still god upset.
stop trying to rationalize crazy people.
mdc2135@reddit
These types of people need to be fined harshly for wasting everyone elses time. I say 50-100 usd an hour per passenger.
Alarmed_Swan_4315@reddit
I saw the whole video on instagram, there was someone speaking mandarin there and there was also police onboard the airplane to escort her off the plane who did speak mandarin
I get that you need to cater to your passenger's needs but she needs to be understanding that it is an international flight, not a domestic one and the arrival country is malaysia where the national language is malay, of course the stewards will use english since malay isn't spoken in china and mandarin isn't a national recognised language while english is one
There is a behaviour among some chinese people where they will claim to be something they are not, her claiming to be a stewardess for china southern airline is probably to gain upperhand. She might is an off duty air stewardress that probably never worked in international flights but it is still a bit entitled
manniesalado@reddit
Lady, what can I say? Take it up with Consumer Affairs.
haroldthehampster@reddit
I guess karen's really are universal
gorillapower@reddit
Just to be clear, it was an international flight on an international airline (AirAsia is Malaysian airline) and she demanded they speak mandarin…
hatlad43@reddit
Damn I can smell the NPD from the news article
win_s@reddit
She said "she is China". She should check with Winnie the Pooh.
lingeringneutrophil@reddit
Ugh please. This makes many unruly passengers look good. Clearly there was a supervisor fluent in Mandarin so it never had anything to do with the language
AbeFromanEast@reddit
Google Translate is a real thing.
jzhu22@reddit
Maybe not in China tho
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