Ubuntu's Popularity Over the Years
Posted by lukerm_zl@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 28 comments
With the release of Ubuntu 26.04 today, I wrote an analysis piece about where it ranks amongst the other Linux distros. It also discusses some of the new features bundled in this release. Please have a read if you're interested!
I'm a big fan of Ubuntu, I've used it for a long time. I was surprised however about some of the trends that I wrote about in this article. It's definitely got me thinking about if I'm in the right lane.
Let me know what you think.
Traditional_Hat3506@reddit
according to distrowatch we all use MXLinux, ignoring the fact that you almost never see it in the wild or talked about
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
Actually, looking at the charts and live table today, Mint and CachyOS are more popular. I guess a lot of ppl moved onto Mint when Ubuntu was messing around with Unity.
ttteeef@reddit
We do not know if they did or not because the data from DistroWatch is not representative at all.
Everybody keeps telling you and, while you acknowledge it, you then proceed to ignore it and treat it as if it was.
no_life_linux@reddit
Honestly, really enjoyed this.... You can tell a lot of effort went into putting the timeline together thats what i feel atleast
but if what comments are saying is true then I feel like the “popularity” angle could be a bit false maybe
Also feels like Ubuntu’s role in enterprise or cloud and as a base for other distros doesn’t get enough weight here. Even if it’s less hyped now, it’s still everywhere under the hood.
Still though, solid write I enjoyed it i myself just started getting deep into linux. over all it was nice to read I liked it
BeatTheBet@reddit
They are 100% true. Even distrowatch itself discloses the popularity data are not to be taken as an objective metric.
Here's the quote taken DIRECTLY from Distrowatch:
OP just completely disregarded this.
P.S: Distrowatch data are so wrong and so often used by people, that I straight up consider it to be malicious at this point. If I was the owner of Distrowatch I would have retired that metric once I realised people use it as actual data, but I guess that same trash data is the only thing that drives traffic and clicks...
FlukyS@reddit
Yeah like the biggest users of Ubuntu are cloud deployments of Ubuntu server
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
Thanks for your comments ppl. I agree with the server angle (see: Server Caveat section), but this article is focused more on desktop usage.
I'd love to get some more data on server usage installations. I personally use Ubuntu Server as my go-to AMI image on AWS. I did cite one source - Command Linux - that had some figures on this, but I doubt it's the whole story!
FlukyS@reddit
Some of this is even a bit obscure to distro maintainers because the downloads on cloud deployments are usually cached on their infrastructure so unless like AWS shares that and then the distro themselves release it you aren’t going to get it
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
Hey, thanks for your comment and kind words! There has been some push back on using DistroWatch daily-hit values as a proxy for Linux distro usage. I acknowledge that's it's not perfect. But honestly, obtaining the actual install numbers is basically impossible (I'd love to know if anyone has suggestions, though). So in order to do any analysis at all, I had to make do with some kind of proxy. The comments don't really address this balance.
The article's scope was only ever intended to cover desktop usage rather than a full analysis of Linux servers - which would paint an entirely different story! That said, I did add "The Server Caveat" section which briefly touched on this point.
Again, thanks for your kind words and balanced opinion!
d_ed@reddit
Unfortunately that's not really a good measure of anything meaningful. If a distro is popular they'll go it directly.
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
In the same paragraph, I did acknowledge the downside:
I do appreciate there may be some hidden biases in the daily-hit statistics, but unfortunately without them you can't do the analysis! (Which I was curious about.)
I'm definitely interested in alternative sources that get closer to the truth, but I've found that getting hold of those is difficult.
I see your point that some users will go directly to the distro website, but it's impossible to know what proportion they make up.
fearless-fossa@reddit
Have you ever heard of garbage in, garbage out? Your dataset is horribly flawed to the degree that it's entirely worthless.
A better method would've been looking up which distro names are most often entered into a search engine. That isn't good data either, but it's probably as accurate as you can get to gauge popularity.
And even then you won't be able to make a good separation between server use and desktop use.
FlukyS@reddit
Distrowatch is a terrible website and a terrible metric of popularity
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
It's a bit old-school, but it does serve a purpose imo. For example, it's got pretty detailed documentation about version history and package versions.
I'd love to know if there are better alternatives.
FlukyS@reddit
There aren’t alternatives because the only valid way to know population of distros either don’t want to do it at all or if they are ok with it they won’t release it. It isn’t just old school, it isn’t useful. Distrowatch was useful when you wanted to compare distros before people knew, you basically used it for discovery but now people just google it and distrowatch isn’t very high on search results so the target audience is just the people who still believe distrowatch is useful. Search engine results are the closest metric you can use
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
Also, it's a bit heavy on the ads, to be fair.
roflfalafel@reddit
Ubuntu is heavily used. I’d argue that most of the world runs on Red Hat (or a derivative) or Ubuntu, just because most large enterprises will not touch a distro without indemnification and contracted support.
RHEL is almost everywhere in corporate America. Ubuntu tends to be popular in many R&D organizations and academic institutions. Europe probably leans more into SLES and Ubuntu. Even the hyper scalers, like Microsoft and Amazon, who have their own Linux Distros, are basing those off of Red Hat sources (with a lot of changes under the hood). CBL-Mariner within Azure I think is Debian based, buts it’s not publicly available, and from talking to old co-workers, it’s largely deprecated in favor of a RHEL based upstream.
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
The scope of this article was only intended to cover desktop usage rather than servers. I did note down The Server Caveat section in an attempt to cover off that point, but it's by no means a full analysis (which inofitself would be very interesting, and no doubt tell an entirely different story!)
Perhaps the title could have done with a "... on Desktop" clarification :)
But back to your comment ... thanks for your insight. There seems to be a fundamental head-to-head between Ubuntu Server and RHEL, possibly with RHEL just tipping it (see the Command Linux citation).
I'd be very interested to know if there are any openly available statistics on server installs? That might make a useful article in future.
OrangeKefir@reddit
Wouldn't touch Ubuntu as a daily driver. Been crap since then whole Unity thing. As a headless build agent though absolutely!
Sweaty_Nectarine_585@reddit
Unity was miles ahead of anything that you have even today. But it was easy for neckbeards to jump on the hate train just for the sake of it lmao
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
I still enjoy Ubuntu as day-to-day OS. Didn't they switch back to GNOME? After all the backlash about Unity.
This_Complex2936@reddit
Poor you with views like that, missing all the cake
docular_no_dracula@reddit
Among the new features, what’s your thoughts about it now supporting RISC-V and specifically RVA23 profile only, meaning giving up any riscv chips which are not rva23 compliant.
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
Yep, good point. That's where the ARM-specific ISO comes in, I think. I don't have any specific thoughts or predictions on that, but it sounds like you might? :)
believer007@reddit
I'm pretty sure distrowatch rankings can be gamed. Otherwise, I don't know how MX Linux is mostly at the top, even though I've never seen anyone using it.
Also, pop os is not stable now because of their cosmic upgrade. So, it shouldn't be at the top of their rankings.
lukerm_zl@reddit (OP)
CachyOS and Mint are at the top of the rankings, checking the live version today.
edparadox@reddit
Your metric is flawed, which makes your article useless.
beatbox9@reddit
I think that using distrowatch's analytics is a particularly unreliable method of estimating popularity. For example, I can't even remember the last time I visited distrowatch--and I would guess that a vast majority of desktop users fall into this category.
I'd guess is that distrowatch is visited more frequently by people who are learning about linux rather than actually using it. This is known as statistical skew.
In other words, this would be like estimating total breakdown of most popular foods worldwide by basing it exclusively on restaurant sales in one random college town in the US and extrapolating it out.
As far as whether you're in the right lane, I pick a lane based on my requirements and experience, not viral fad trends that get popular because some influencers told a bunch of noobs about a particular distro.
Mint is a good example of this: noobs think Mint is easier, because it is designed to appeal to noobs migrating from Windows and is marketed and branded as such. But Mint is also more difficult for more experienced Linux users migrating from KDE or Gnome, or people migrating from macOS. But really, what is the difference between Mint and Ubuntu? It's essentially the default DE, default themes, a handful of default packages, and an additional partial repository (which itself is becoming less relevant as time goes by). But most people will develop a DE preference over time (gnome/kde/cinnamon/etc), change their desktop background or colors, and install/uninstall the apps they want, including via universal packages like flatpaks that don't rely on your distro's repos.
Over time, Linux distros are getting more diverse in the little default things; but they are converging in the big things. Picking a distro today matters significantly less than it did 10-20 years ago. A few reasons:
As trends like this continue, the differentiation between distros becomes more trivialized.