Commute for a jet or in base for a turboprop
Posted by CODboss7822@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 48 comments
CFI here with low 800TT.
Recently had an offer to fly an EMB jet but would require a commute or fly for another 135 operator as a PC12 as an SIC but would upgrade as soon as I hit 1500TT.
Due to personal reasons I can’t move right now.
sennais1@reddit
Type certificate of a PC-12 doesn't require a FO. Enough said as it's worthless time.
Due_Algae7380@reddit
I’ve done logbook review at 2 major airline interviews. Not once was the validity of my 900 hours of SIC time in a PC12 brought up.
iceman_andre@reddit
It does if you are flying IFR PAX 135
DTOEagle737@reddit
as a CFI with 1790TT AND CANNOT EVEN GET A CALLBACK FROM SOUTHERN AIRWAYS EXPRESS
HOW?????
Due_Algae7380@reddit
Not getting a call back from SAE is a blessing.
More_Drummer_3933@reddit
Aviate
Wedge_Donovan@reddit
How much multi do you have?
Bowzy228@reddit
Way too many hours I guess. Why don’t you try Ameriflight or similar?
thatguy2896@reddit
You have too many hours for them brother. They know you will jet off as soon as something better comes along
Due_Algae7380@reddit
Everything that’s needed to be said has been said in this thread. I’ll offer some advice- be extremely careful of any employer that tells you “as soon as you have xxxx hours we’ll upgrade you.” Sometimes it works out, but most pilots that have been doing 135 for a while have been burned hard on this.
Unless you’ve got a newborn or something at home take the jet.
jjamesr539@reddit
Be very careful about logging time as an SIC in a PC12. It’s single pilot certified, which means the 135 operator certificate would need to require an SIC for that time to log it. If it’s just their insurance that requires an SIC, then it doesn’t count.
Chappietime@reddit
Enough insurance companies are requiring the SIC that it’s becoming less of an issue. At my old 135 we just stopped checking “auto-pilot in lieu of SIC” on captains check rides and poof - SIC is required.
sennais1@reddit
Doesn't make it required by the manufacturer. You can log SIC time in a C208, doesn't mean it counts for anything.
Wedge_Donovan@reddit
What you said is true for 91. If it's 135/121, it then makes it required by the regs.
sennais1@reddit
In the states, but outside right seat time in a PC-12 and C208 isn't abled to be logged. Didn't the Hawaiian operator get done for selling right seat time that wasn't legit?
Wedge_Donovan@reddit
For 135, the default is that 2 pilots are required, regardless of aircraft type, unless the operator specifically requests and is granted a single pilot exemption in their OpSpec due to the aircraft having a suitable autopilot.
135.105
Chappietime@reddit
If it’s required by your GOM that makes it regulatory, and thus can be legally logged and it counts.
Kandranos@reddit
jet jet jet jet jet jet
MehCFI@reddit
Multi pilot certified twin jet or single-pilot certified PDP accepted single turboprop is not at all comparable on a resume. Go to the jet
MyPilotInterview@reddit
This 1000%. It’s worth the commute…..
e_pilot@reddit
logging SIC time in a PC12 is a little dodgy, I’d commute to the jet, 1500 will be here before you know it
0621Hertz@reddit
If it’s PlaneSense I think it should be ok.
PC-12 SIC looks sus but they are pretty well known and have a robust training department.
12kVStr8tothenips@reddit
Not just the training is good. They’re part 135 which looks good on a resume. Part 91 is really only useful if you’re PIC.
Bob_Ross3346@reddit
Is Part 91 single pilot TPIC worth anything?
MehCFI@reddit
Great way to build time for a 135 or regional
Bob_Ross3346@reddit
What’s worth more (assuming SP PIC) - piston twin, or turbine single?
MehCFI@reddit
Turbine single>piston twin***
Disclaimer- insurance is gonna require a minimum amount of total multi time
0621Hertz@reddit
Yeah exactly it comes down to resume vs insurance.
0621Hertz@reddit
Turbine single for the most part, I mean a F-16 is worth more than a Piper Seminole.
But at the same time a B-29 is worth more than a Cessna Caravan.
To me it depends on the platform.
sennais1@reddit
The PC-12 Type Certificate doesn't require an FO so how is it legal time in the US?
__joel_t@reddit
It would be legal if the 135 OpSpec requires an FO or if the company has an FAA-approved PDP.
Wedge_Donovan@reddit
Yes. It's still turbine PIC.
SSMDive@reddit
Not enough info. Is the commute a two hour drive or a three leg commercial and you don’t have CASS?
Just between the two, go to the jet. It is much more valuable time.
As for ‘can’t move’ there are very few things that you can’t move because and if you can’t move then being in the airline business with all the being away from what you can’t move from and the job changes… You are in for a long road.
rayman3325@reddit
What’s the commute look like? Assuming there’s no CASS access and you’re not jumpseating and it’s a driving commute? I drive 4 hours to my base but do multi day trips so my driving is much more than my wife’s in town driving. If you have to drive multiple hours every day still worth it to get better experience to move on.
Right-Suggestion-667@reddit
Lemme guess you’re in aviate and you have the option between JSX or tradewind.
If you want the fast route go to tradewind
Bowzy228@reddit
Exactly what I was thinking 😂. Gotta be aviate
Right-Suggestion-667@reddit
Yeah cause JSX while it’s jet time they require 1000 hours in type to be considered for upgrade
Tradewind you can right at 1200 to my knowledge
swakid8@reddit
But they are logging time in a multi turbine jet…
Several-Village5814@reddit
Jet time will set you up much better for your future jobs.
LPNTed@reddit
People who REALLY want things figure out how to make it work.
InvestmentGuilty8736@reddit
Twin turbine time is king. But it depends whats the deal is and what works for you honestly.... I have friends PIC in a PC12 right now that cant get a call back from anyone because they have almost zero multi time. For me Id do the EMB *BUT* that depends... whats the commute like? Do they pay for it? How long is the commute what kind of protections do you have? What are the trips like? Will you need a crash pad? If you're going to lose your shirt commuting and get zero real rest or QOL then maybe its not worth it.
No one can tell you what to do especially without all the details. Face value I personally like the jet but I think theres a lot more that goes into the decision than just face value.
sennais1@reddit
It doesn't help that the PC-12 type certificate makes no reference to requiring a SIC. It's useless time.
Kentness1@reddit
Is there a pay difference? I would take either of those right now and I’m at similar hours.
ThatsSomeIsh@reddit
As a CFI with 800TT, I am sure you have confirmed the SIC time is loggable per an OpSpec, right? Like more than “trust me bro”, right? RIGHT?!
nbd9000@reddit
where are you located?
Equivalent-Raise7846@reddit
TPIC time is a leg up when you want to apply to an airline (and relocate/commute). How long until you would hit 1500 to start building that kind of time?
redditburner_5000@reddit
I think an Embraer jet is a lot more valuable that SIC in a single pilot plane. What's the commute frequency?
rFlyingTower@reddit
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CFI here with low 800TT.
Recently had an offer to fly an EMB jet but would require a commute or fly for another 135 operator as a PC12 as an SIC but would upgrade as soon as I hit 1500TT.
Due to personal reasons I can’t move right now.
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