Humanity was always destined to fail
Posted by StrangeMushroom6551@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 72 comments
I recently came to the realization that humans were never meant to be morally just.
That’s the conclusion I keep coming back to, no matter how much I try to see it differently. There was never some better version of us waiting to emerge. No turning point where things could have gone right. A species built on impulse, fear, ego, and constant self-justification was never going to create anything truly stable or genuinely good. What we call “progress” just looks like a more polished version of the same underlying behavior.
If you strip away the narratives people cling to, it’s always the same patterns. Cooperation that falls apart under pressure. Altruism that depends on recognition or personal benefit. Empathy that disappears the moment it becomes inconvenient. People like to talk about morality as if it’s something solid, but most of the time it feels like a performance people maintain as long as it costs them nothing.
I’ve completely lost faith in humanity at this point. Not in a dramatic way (although some trauma did influence that), just through observation over time. The more you pay attention, the harder it is to ignore how consistent it all is. The cruelty, the dishonesty, the selfishness, the way people rationalize anything if it benefits them. And somehow, despite all of that, there are still people who genuinely believe humanity is “good” deep down. I don’t understand how you can look at the same patterns repeating everywhere and still come to that conclusion. It feels less like hope and more like denial.
Honestly, believing in humanity at this stage seems naive. Not in an insulting way, just in a literal sense. It requires ignoring too much evidence. People want to believe there’s some hidden goodness that will eventually win out, but there’s nothing to suggest that’s actually how we function.
From where I’m standing, humanity operates more like a parasitic system than anything else. It consumes, expands, exploits, and then justifies itself while doing it. That pattern doesn’t break, it just evolves into more complex forms. Individuals, groups, entire societies, it’s the same structure repeating at different scales.
That’s why I don’t see any real solution within society itself. You can change rules, systems, ideologies, but you’re still dealing with the same nature underneath. It just adapts. The flaws don’t disappear, they get repackaged.
At some point, withdrawing starts to feel less like giving up and more like the only logical response. Not just out of bitterness, but because staying deeply engaged in something fundamentally broken doesn’t make sense anymore. Distance gives you the ultimate clarity. It keeps you from getting pulled into the same cycles you see everywhere else.
And yeah, people will say that isolating yourself is unhealthy. That you “need” society, that connection is everything, that withdrawing is a problem that needs to be fixed. I don’t buy that anymore. It sounds more like conditioning than truth. If anything, it feels like messaging designed to keep people participating, to keep them from stepping back and questioning the system they’re part of.
I’m not saying isolation is perfect. It isn’t. But neither is constant exposure to something you don’t trust. At least with distance, you’re not constantly negotiating with a system that runs on the very traits you’ve grown to distrust.
I don’t hate humanity in some explosive, emotional way. It’s more quiet than that. More settled. Like realizing something you can’t unsee.
Humanity didn’t fail.
It turned out exactly as it was always going to.I don’t think humanity “lost its way.” I think it followed it exactly as it was always going to.
That’s the conclusion I keep coming back to, no matter how much I try to see it differently. There was never some better version of us waiting to emerge. No turning point where things could have gone right. A species built on impulse, fear, ego, and constant self-justification was never going to create anything truly stable or genuinely good. What we call “progress” just looks like a more polished version of the same underlying behavior.
If you strip away the narratives people cling to, it’s always the same patterns. Cooperation that falls apart under pressure. Altruism that depends on recognition or personal benefit. Empathy that disappears the moment it becomes inconvenient. People like to talk about morality as if it’s something solid, but most of the time it feels like a performance people maintain as long as it costs them nothing.
I’ve completely lost faith in humanity at this point. Not in a dramatic way, just through observation over time. The more you pay attention, the harder it is to ignore how consistent it all is. The cruelty, the dishonesty, the selfishness, the way people rationalize anything if it benefits them. And somehow, despite all of that, there are still people who genuinely believe humanity is “good” deep down. I don’t understand how you can look at the same patterns repeating everywhere and still come to that conclusion. It feels less like hope and more like denial.
Honestly, believing in humanity at this stage seems naive. Not in an insulting way, just in a literal sense. It requires ignoring too much evidence. People want to believe there’s some hidden goodness that will eventually win out, but there’s nothing to suggest that’s actually how we function.
From where I’m standing, humanity operates more like a parasitic system than anything else. It consumes, expands, exploits, and then justifies itself while doing it. That pattern doesn’t break, it just evolves into more complex forms. Individuals, groups, entire societies, it’s the same structure repeating at different scales.
That’s why I don’t see any real solution within society itself. You can change rules, systems, ideologies, but you’re still dealing with the same nature underneath. It just adapts. The flaws don’t disappear, they get repackaged.
At some point, withdrawing starts to feel less like giving up and more like the only logical response. Not out of bitterness, but because staying deeply engaged in something fundamentally broken doesn’t make sense anymore. Distance gives you clarity. It keeps you from getting pulled into the same cycles you see everywhere else.
And yeah, people will say that isolating yourself is unhealthy. That you “need” society, that connection is everything, that withdrawing is a problem that needs to be fixed. I don’t buy that anymore. It sounds more like conditioning than truth. If anything, it feels like messaging designed to keep people participating, to keep them from stepping back and questioning the system they’re part of.
I’m not saying isolation is perfect. It isn’t. But neither is constant exposure to something you don’t trust. At least with distance, you’re not constantly negotiating with a system that runs on the very traits you’ve grown to distrust.
I don’t hate humanity in some explosive, emotional way. It’s more quiet than that. More settled. Like realizing something you can’t unsee.
Humanity didn’t fail.
It turned out exactly as it was always going to.
This_Complex2936@reddit
How did you get AI to write this? Did you explain your feelings and then for a write-up? In any case, too bad for you. Luckily, our most prominent features are problem-solving and not giving up. You get and see the world you deserve.
Gyirin@reddit
Any post longer than a paragraph is AI, huh?
This_Complex2936@reddit
Not at all but the style and tone combined with the vastly different language used by OP in the comments is a give-away.
Gyirin@reddit
Sure man. Lol
This_Complex2936@reddit
Poor you, then, in a complex world
Gyirin@reddit
That has nothing to do with if this is AI gen'ed or not.
This_Complex2936@reddit
Well, yes, without a critical eye you'll have a hard time discerning truth from lies, human from AI. And if someone tries to shown you that a given piece of writing is AI and you brush it off with 'sure man, lol', you'll be sorry eventually.
mooky1977@reddit
We're just smart dumb apes.
Strange_Sleep_406@reddit
i wouldn't even say smart, we have symbolic culture which in theory allows for learning from past mistakes but anyone who has studied history knows that is not the case
NuclearByNoon@reddit
I think that's a bit too depressingly reductionist. We do have an ability of empathetic thinking and social cooperation that works even across species which we can pretty securely say is unparalleled among any sentient beings. In no way am I trying to degrade other animals by writing this.
But the study of various animist cultures/civilizations shows us that modes of thinking and spiritual belief systems, in which the lines between us (humans) and them (other animals, our environment) start to blur, have very likely existed for hundreds of thousands to a few million years with the birth of the homo genus and probably even its ancestor species.
Many of these animist cultures extend their kinship to inanimate objects and concepts (water, air, fire, clouds, stone and so on) and more often than not imaginary spiritual concepts like gods, ghosts, spirits, energies etc.
On the other hand, we have many (possible) attributes that can "overwrite" these instinctual behaviors, especially when civilizations grow large and come into conflict with another. Large civilizations in particular tend to be expansionist, more exploitative and farther removed from experiencing kinship with our natural environment. These larger civilizations in turn tend to simply eradicate smaller, often more animist social collections with a vast technological/military advantage.
Ok_Main3273@reddit
The feeling you get when you realize that humanity is like a cancer destroying the host planet... but also YOU are one of the cancer cells! "Me, you, them, everybody."
Parking_Sky9709@reddit
Not long out of the trees, but if we hadn't snarged our nest we might have evolved into something nicer. There's not enough time left now.
Wrong_Organization29@reddit
You just put into words exactly how I have been feeling. Everything seems like a scam or a hoax anymore. Everyone is fake or just faking it to get through the day while they watch the world fall apart at the seams. If you try to do something about it, it doesn't matter. If you don't do anything it doesn't matter. I'm going to try to do something anyway, even if it's small and meaningless. These are the moments where we can win and reclaim some form of 'dignity' for ourselves.
StrangeMushroom6551@reddit (OP)
imma be honest this makes me sad because I know there’s still some good out there and I don’t wanna generalize everyone but I’ve been disillusioned to such a degree idk how to feel anymore
NoProblemsHerelol@reddit
Don't worry, thats how "they" need you to feel because it makes you much more suggestable and moldable.
Spikel14@reddit
It’s reassuring to me to see other people feel the same way about some things
Joshwooly@reddit
This is very important to me and I hope you will get something out of it as well.
"We are creatures that should not exist by natural law"
https://youtu.be/9oX2xFo7JA4?si=G1MAdOxQ0qRUOyNQ
Spikel14@reddit
Yes I try to be a beacon of light, I have a retail job and it’s exhausting. I try to win over the grumpy customers and sometimes I do. It always feels good. But being good to each other is the only way and I know that in my heart. It’s also essential for my recovery
No_Specialist6905@reddit
Humanity was always the the more sophisticated stage of our cooperating Impulses that shouldn't have ever been established. We turned the planet into almost an wasteland and, because of overpopulation now more than ever we suffer the causings of man more than causings of Nature. Humanity will surely collapse, the question is will there be something left on the planet to sustain life before it collapse.
Mediterraneanseeker@reddit
I don’t deny the element of truth in your observations, as I’ve entertained them myself on numerous occasions.
Still I can’t help but wonder if you aren’t tacitly excepting yourself from the general pattern, particularly in your remarks about isolation.
If you are an exception to these rules - as I see no reason to doubt or dispute - then might there not be other exceptions? And if there are exceptions, and we cannot a priori determine how many there are, does this not make all hopelessness at least premature?
Neither-Tension2181@reddit
r/nihilism
sevorg@reddit
I feel like this recent article hits some of the same points, but maybe has a wider perspective.
https://open.substack.com/pub/reeswilliame/p/mything-out-on-sustainable-development
Maybe it was always gonna be this way but there are many different ways of thinking and being yet. Instead of isolating in lament, find others who see through the conditioning. Seek jouissance in a dying world.
HateHumansLoveDogs@reddit
Have you watched this https://www.livinginthetimeofdying.com/about Its so sad and yet freeing
Decent_Adhesiveness0@reddit
Some people are kind. Some people are good through and through. Or sane enough to keep civilization going.
Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov of the Soviet military was in charge of launching missiles if ordered to do so. The flawed computer and radar system they were using led the USSR to believe it was under attack by the United States and Petrov had orders to launch a massive retaliatory strike against us. He didn't believe what the system insisted was happening made sense, and he refused to obey his orders.
Most of humanity would have died and civilization would have collapsed in 1983 but he saved us all. I'm morally certain that we have been saved from global nuclear war by other men refusing to push the button.
I don't know who is doing it now since we have particularly unstable world leaders at the moment. But SOMEONE, actually many someones, despite systems designed to make launching very likely--someone has been saving us. Not just us. Tigers wouldn't survive long in a nuclear winter, either.
I think it's important and reassuring that somehow we've been on this brink for so long--make no mistake, it's a lunatic brink!--and it hasn't happened. It can still happen. Stanislav Petrov lived a broken, sad life but he did live long enough to be thanked--and to meet Kevin Bacon. Look up THE MAN WHO SAVED THE WORLD and watch it. I never read any criticism of this documentary's facts. He REALLY saved the world.
When I feel like you are feeling, it is good to delve into the history of heroes, and we have so many of them. Jonas Salk, for example, who created the first polio vaccine and refused to patent it. We could have completely eliminated polio and we still might.
History is very discouraging mostly, but if you try, you can dig up stuff that is very comforting. We're still here despite it all. We haven't managed to kill off all the frogs, the whales, the big predators we share it all with, and we learn more every day about why it is all worth saving. The wild hog problem in Texas has been almost solved by one thing right now--farmers stopped shooting coyotes, and coyotes are cleaning out the feral hog nests with new behaviors nobody knew they could do. It should have been obvious that coyotes COULD switch up from solo hunters to organized pack hunters who can outthink a feral hog mama. Nothing else, not high bounties and sophisticated traps, was protecting crops and infrastructure from the feral hogs. Coyotes are doing it beautifully. Now if we can just keep them from having to deal with a nuclear winter, eh?
HateHumansLoveDogs@reddit
he did that out of self preservation, MAD is a real thing esp back then.
HateHumansLoveDogs@reddit
You are absolutely correct OP, and once you get it and see it for what it is you can never unsee it
Conscious-War5920@reddit
Check out some works by arthur schopenhauer, emil cioran and even some of mainlander. A lot of what you said can be summed by their philosophy.
AstronautLife5949@reddit
I'm glad Antinatalism is finally being taken seriously after years of people mocking it. The pessimists were right all along.
mrsduckie@reddit
and related subs: r/Absurdism r/misanthropy r/Existentialism and maybe r/antinatalism
also some people might find this theory amusing r/EscapingPrisonPlanet
rematar@reddit
Thank you.
AstronautLife5949@reddit
We're awful and we deserve extinction. We never should have happened in the first place. Totally unnecessary.
Effective_Bug_176@reddit
I understand how one arrives at these conclusions; I've reached that point myself. However, I now consider it too simplistic and short-sighted. Looking back at the current world, one draws a deterministic conclusion and makes pronouncements about some sort of inherent human nature.
Yes, there are many completely crazy people. But people aren't inherently crazy; they are made crazy. Socialization defines humanity, and the social systems in which we have lived and currently live are utterly insane. It is the systems of capitalism, competition and domination that have fried the brains of modern humans. But there are alternatives.
In my opinion, this is demonstrated by the findings of educational science (children tend to be egalitarian but are shaped by their environment) and anthropology. Up until 5,000 years ago, many people did live in more or less egalitarian and solidarity-based communities. (For this, I strongly recommend the book "The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity" by Graeber and Wengrow).
Humans would absolutely be capable of living peacefully, sustainably, and with solidarity in the future. A prerequisite is overcoming capitalism, among other things. Of course, one can consider this highly improbable, but the important point is that there is no inevitable determinism that dictates humanity must destroy everything. And then I think we should strive to at least try. If we limit our thinking to mere hatred of humanity, then that is a submission to our rulers and the systems that are leading us to ruin.
MintyNinja41@reddit
Oh, I don’t buy that. I don’t think we’re particularly meant or destined to be anything. I think we are what we choose to be, and so it’s incumbent on us to choose to be better
switchsk8r@reddit
i think we COULD be better but it would mean that decent people would need to reeducate and lead everyone. And decent people are almost never the ones in power.
aMusicLover@reddit
I don’t judge us as harshly as you. We are animas. For every action that impacts us, based on our beliefs, environment and senses we react. I agree that we failed morally. But that moral ideal doesn’t survive evolution, emotions, and dopamine manipulation.
My hope is that we dont die out. Rather, we are reduced to a vastly smaller number. And because everyone’s beliefs will have been shattered, perhaps we can built a society of abundance, acceptance, and mutual respect. We are one. What binds us is the earth.
Plausible at least.
Yeah. We’re going extinct.
Decent_Adhesiveness0@reddit
If we were a more stable species we could survive long enough to either move some of us to planets around other stars, or else just sit tight long enough to watch our own Sun begin to go nova. There never really was any chance we would have forever. The universe itself is doomed.
aMusicLover@reddit
Yeah. But as a Gen Xer on the doorstep of 60, I grew up with such hope and faith in humanity. In America. In a trajectory toward betterment across the world. Yes we had wars and scares and horrible things. But we had hope. And over the past 30 years that hope has gone to literal hell.
I guess I’m saying I wish we had had a few more years
Decent_Adhesiveness0@reddit
You and I had a childhood in a very rare chapter of human history.
American children (mostly) felt safe outside, didn't have to perform child labor, and felt like adults had it all handled. We were not usually punished for finally giving our bullies a taste of their own medicine. Zero tolerance hadn't come into favor yet. Our teachers could read and write and were allowed to keep order so that we learned, too. Most of us had no reason to be afraid of cops, doctors, or bureaucracy. We walked on the Moon!
Once my Dad made it safely back from Vietnam, I just didn't feel threatened by the world at all. We weren't drowning in bad news all the time. Fresh air and sunshine, be back when the street lights turn on. We took on the bully down the street and defeated him in honest combat. I went to school with all types of kids. Sometimes it seemed strange, the things the grownups got all worked up about--I had a racist grandma, but it was like she was an alien.
So having enjoyed a childhood that is relatively heavenly, now we feel it's all gone to hell.
UncleBaguette@reddit
You and me, baby, ain't nothin' but mammals(c)
And we do exactly what every living organism on this planet does (with extra steps): thrive, proliferate, deplete all available ressources, shrivel, rinse and repeat...
The sooner we as species realize that we are not sonething inherently better, the more chsnces we have in the next cycle
dmonkbiz@reddit
We have existed (at least in our current form) for 300,000 years. The real problematic period has been 1% of the total time our species has been on Earth. The other 99% we have lived in alignment with nature. Within that 1% of time, we can assume that around 10% of the population exploited the other 90%. Exploitation within that 90% varied in degrees and severity, but there is also plenty of evidence of altruistic coexistence and community.
What I am trying to say is, the systems of white supremacy, neoliberalism, and hyper-individualism run very deep in all of our psyches. I understand where you are coming from – you make really valid points. However, as a fellow “collapser” I would invite you to consider whether humanity is truly defined by some of the traits you outlined, or whether it is also possible that what is “working as designed” is also affecting how you perceive humanity as a whole (in other words, what systems of oppression “win” by you thinking this is the only real path for humans when, as I described above, monopolistic capitalism and hyper-individualism represent a small fraction of the beauty of our existence).
snoller101@reddit
We are nothing but chimpanzees who figured out how to build better ways to exploit or kill each other.
That "spark" that makes humans build things and think abstractly didn't make us inherently more kind or gentle or leave us thinking of doing good to others like some utopian fantasy novel. We are fundamentally violent and selfish to anyone not in our "in" group. Period, end of discussion.
I wished it wasn't true but it is
Decent_Adhesiveness0@reddit
I don't know that you'll see what I said about Lt. Col. Stanislav Petrov, Soviet missile system commander who saved us all September 26, 1983. He defied orders because he decided that the U.S. was NOT launching missiles at the USSR. It toasted his career but civilization wasn't destroyed that day. Then when he was an old, sad, bitter, lonely man--someone looked him up, made a documentary about him, got him a trip to the U.S. and saw that he was finally thanked.
I hope it makes you feel better. I get so discouraged and existentially depressed to the core of my being, but I didn't die in a firestorm that day and I would have if he had let the Soviet system launch nukes.
Anxious_Gift_7125@reddit
I don’t doubt humans can cooperate with their in groups (well how else would we have evolved)
As for the out groups… 💀💀💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️☠️💀
kingtacticool@reddit
The Great Filter is real
Same_Bug5069@reddit
All hail the great filter
ramenslurper-@reddit
Colonized and capitalist brain-melted take.
TheArcticFox444@reddit
Artifacts from 30,000-40,000 yrs ago show a big leap forward in tool technology and a change in behavior. That change appears have both spurred further progress and insure humanity's failure. Humans have been building civilizations for the past 10,000....and every one of those failed. This one will be no different. (Historians have an expression..."Imperial Overstretch.")
humanoidtyphoon88@reddit
Welcome, my friend. Come and sit with us awhile.
jaybsuave@reddit
yea none of us are exempt though, i’ve done a lot of wrong i regret but i wake up and try to be better than the day before, all i can do tbh
StrangeMushroom6551@reddit (OP)
same
BridgeWise8444@reddit
"The weak are meat, and the rich do eat" (I can't remember the film, but it has been that way since the invention of agriculture, at least)
Acrobatic-Lynx-5018@reddit
It is a line from the movie Cloud Atlas
Another line I liked from that movie was borrowed from the Sufi mystic known as Rumi -
loco500@reddit
This has been fav monologue in all media for years it may resonate with:
"This is our destiny! People knew where they were heading when they chose to walk this path! Justice and faith, ignorance and escapism. They never learn, they never listen. We have reached the end of that path. There is no way to prevent it now!..."
bluemagic124@reddit
This is the same thing they do when talking about NBA players. Oh, so and so didn’t have the it factor cuz he didn’t win a championship.
It’s such an after the fact analysis; I don’t buy it. We could have been so much more. We’ve understood climate change for decades; we had so many chances to pivot into something more sustainable.
Ultimately capitalism won. Now we die. It was a dice roll, not something inherent to human nature. There’s no destiny to our downfall.
Kitchen-Paint-3946@reddit
There is good in humanity, however it is been proven to be hindered by evil, greed, power…
Stay strong I realized this years ago and started preparing for the worst
don-cake@reddit
Although, we have never acknowledged how our most natural attribute works, nor have we ever made any great formal efforts to encourage it.
We should try that first before writing off humanity, I think.
https://theonlythingweeverdo.blogspot.com/2025/06/apollo-11-cistine-chapel-and-un.html
HomoExtinctisus@reddit
Maximum Power Principle FTW.
BronzeSpoon89@reddit
Just enjoy the ride.
StrangeMushroom6551@reddit (OP)
u right
NyriasNeo@reddit
" humans were never meant to be morally just."
Because "morally just" is just a fantasy concept invented by humans and it is subjective anyway. We, like all living things, evolve behaviors to thrive in the existing environment but when we are too successful, we change the environment too much and evolution cannot adapt fast enough.
No species last forever. Every one goes extinct eventually. There is no escape and it is just a matter of when. We are not the first and we will not be the fast.
The3rdGodKing@reddit
Could we have evolved with less impulse, fear, and ego? It is kinda bad luck that we only had 1 Earth like planet. At least 1 other intelligent species nearby would have been better rng.
Unequal_vector@reddit
No, we could not have.
We, however, could have evolved with a greater intolerance for the evil. We didn’t. We will, someday. Natural selection only prefers the strongest.
Front_River_2367@reddit
I'm not sure, but if we had to go down the same route I would've preferred to see space battles with lasers and shit over what we have now.
Lailokos@reddit
No. We could have done better. We could do better now. The only things holding us back are physics and the things we want. And we can change the things we want, and there are a LOT of different physics we could deal with. Don't take away the blame we deserve and the possibilites still available.
StrangeMushroom6551@reddit (OP)
u right but the thing is people don’t seem to care enough about that except a small percentage
EbonyPeat@reddit
Too bad no one ever came to show us the way to live in peace.
Extreme-Homework-697@reddit
Actually, there are many, and it has been repeated throughout history. But sadly, those who do advocate for it gets drowned out by those who don't.
But if you want the most well-known examples, look up Epicurus and Carlo Michelstaedter.
Someones_Dream_Guy@reddit
genetically modifies cats to succeed humanity
TofuTank@reddit
The rise, the voyage, the fall. This applies to everything, even the universe itself.
Glacecakes@reddit
I 100% agree it was always gonna end this way. We’ve been driving species to extinction long before capitalism was invented.
Boremanfreeman@reddit
I like acid too
Same_Bug5069@reddit
Yeah, we’re not fallen gods or some noble species that lost its way. We’re just murderous apes that learned to walk upright and pretending like this civilization experiment is progress.