Denmark chooses Europe's Patriot rival for air defence system
Posted by polymute@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 14 comments
Posted by polymute@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 14 comments
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit
Makes sense. With how much missiles are on order backlogs for other countries, along with our own needs, patriot missiles will be very hard to get in any reasonable amount of time. We are greatly expanding production, but that will take lots of time to realise. For countries that dont want to wait years for additional HIMAD options, EU and South Korean options make more sense.
machado34@reddit
Let's be real, the US could have hundreds of Patriots ready for delivery and Denmark would still not buy them
No sane country would buy their defense systems from another country that is threatening to invade them. They need something to be used to AGAINST the USA, and Patriots are compromised on that front
hectorgarabit@reddit
And many US allies are discovering that "buying" from the US actually means you can get them unless Israel needs them and then they are taken from your country (like South Korea) and shipped to Israel.
The US is too unreliable at any point of the supply chain and after delivery.
Zellgun@reddit
From what I understand the THAAD system that was moved from S Korea, was not owned or leased by S Korea. It’s part of the US military and was stationed there. So while yeah removing it hurts S Korean overall defense posture, the US can do whatever they want with it. Unless there was an agreement that had to be broken or something I’m not aware of
historicusXIII@reddit
However the US did cancel a paid delivery to Switzerland.
Nuzzleface@reddit
Estonia too.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
There's a backlog for Aster production as well, and with the expansion of ground based launchers that's only going to get bigger. And then there's MBDAs (or rather, MBDAs various national members) unwillingness to either centralize production or split full-unit production amongst various facilities that needlessly extend build time and cost.
And I'm pretty sure the Korean L-SAM isn't in production as yet
plan_with_stan@reddit
I think if anything, Europe should start looking at all of their weapon suppliers to be from Europe. It only makes sense. Just like chip manufacturing should be done in the country to avoid lapse in supply due to differing political stances.
ShadowKraftwerk@reddit
The Koreans are looking pretty good suppliers.
I'll be interested to see how things go with the Japanese arms sales.
Kendos-Kenlen@reddit
And what happens if tomorrow there is a conflict with North Korea or China? The Korean will act the same as the US : keeping their production for themselves. That is if it would even be possible to export the weapons, which wouldn’t be the case most likely.
mdedetrich@reddit
Korea is one of the few countries who allows military exports to be built/produced in the country they are selling to. They also allow modifications and integrations with local systems which would typically be disallowed by other countries
kaihu47@reddit
Worth keeping in mind that Korean exports often come with local production agreements and technology transfer - meaning a significant amount of production is local to the “customer” country; hard to block “exports” in that case.
fifthflag@reddit
Europe is made of different countries with different foreign policies and priorities, it will be very hard to find common ground but not impossible. (It will never happen, not anytime soon anyway, due to total lack of interest from the ruling elites)
MarderFucher@reddit
That's the ongoing direction. The only system Europe lacks is its own fifth generation fighter, in everything else we have production going, in many cases more/better than American ones, or have promising prototypes like the new French MLRS.
For ballistic defense, besides SAMP/T, Diehl is working on an extended range IRIS-T, and Germany and Ukraine are working on an alternative as well.