What's the reason behind university students dressing so casually in the US?
Posted by TopoliCZ@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 570 comments
For the context, I study law in the Czech Republic, and a few days ago, my girlfriend and I were discussing the cultural differences between the US & Europe. We came across the fact that it is the norm for university students, even those studying law, to wear very casual clothing to school.
What's the reason behind that? Are there any cultural or historical reasons for this being the norm? In Europe, university dress codes are more formal, and personally, I would feel really awkward just walking through the building to my first course on Monday, which is the gym, wearing gym clothes.
Alternative-Quit-161@reddit
There are no dress codes. We haven't had them since the 1970s, maybe 1960s
Low_Computer_6542@reddit
In the 60's my second grade teacher was suspended for a week for wearing a very nice pantsuit. The reasoning was that all the girls were required to wear dresses. The boys were allowed to wear blue jeans.
Alternative-Quit-161@reddit
Again the OP is discussing law school.
not_wall03@reddit
Depends on the district
Alternative-Quit-161@reddit
Je specifically discusses law school
CobandCoffee@reddit
Some private colleges do. My private Christian college did. However the dress code essentially amounted to "don't wear sweat pants or pajamas to class". Jeans and a t shirt were considered perfectly acceptable and even then most professors did not enforce the dress code.
SpeakerCareless@reddit
My mom had to wear dresses her first year of college and then they got rid of the dress code the next year, that was 1969.
LSATMaven@reddit
Definitely had one in the 90s, but it wasn't about being formal, it was about not showing too much skin.
WhereasTherefore@reddit
Americans tend to dress causal a lot of places. School is one of them.
underhand_toss@reddit
This. We dress casually for almost everything. I can't give you a reason. I just know that it's true.
NemeanMiniLion@reddit
It's because professional dress isn't an indication that you are professional anymore. The illusion is gone here.
Maxpowr9@reddit
Even in banking, very much a "conservative" industry, a sportscoat and tie is now considered too formal. Why menswear took a nosedive since Covid.
NemeanMiniLion@reddit
I work in fintech and banking adjacent but I'm not at an actual bank. Sales related customer service roles still use it, however the further from the front line you get, the looser it gets, until high level management.
Certain_Expression41@reddit
Not disagreeing with you at all, but in my experience even before COVID the way to look "fancy" for a lot of business was sports coat tshirt and jeans.
Maxpowr9@reddit
I work in banking and only wear a tie if I am in a standalone office. When I started in corporate finance, it was at least shirt and tie every day. I think there's a healthy balance between overly formal and slob.
Certain_Expression41@reddit
Fair enough, I was also working in architecture and related tech stuff so "not wearing an open silk shirt with a tank top and cargo shorts" was already pretty high level if you weren't presenting to clients.
christine-bitg@reddit
I agree with that. Even staunch financial companies that used to require suits and ties have left that behind now. I worked in one and watched that transition.
Now they are all "business casual." Polo shirts and non-ripped jeans are typical.
iDontSow@reddit
If this was true, then I wouldn’t have to wear a suit to work every day. But I do, and it would be detrimental to my career if I didn’t
murdered-by-swords@reddit
It matters to your boss, but I don't view someone who I am interacting with in a professional context as more or less professional based on their attire.
iDontSow@reddit
It matters to the judges Court of Common Pleas
murdered-by-swords@reddit
Courtrooms remain bastions of strict decorum — and for good reason — but they don't properly reflect the contours of everyday society. Proper attire in court attests to one's ability to read the room, but in other contexts the same ensemble would paint the person as an image-conscious tryhard.
iDontSow@reddit
It matters to my clients, too. People hold lawyers (and certainly other professionals) to a certain standard because of the level of trust being placed in them. As you get to know your clients, the level of formality can slowly diminish, but dressing professionally definitely means something to the people I am trying to sell my services to
murdered-by-swords@reddit
That's true enough. While there are people like me who either don't care or see the salesmanship aspect as (perhaps unfairly) inherently deceptive and suspicious, I imagine we're in the firm minority.
iDontSow@reddit
lol there is nothing inherently deceptive about lawyers wearing a suit to work man. That is a patently ridiculous take. And I am someone who doesn’t not give a singular fuck about dress aesthetics outside of work
murdered-by-swords@reddit
I didn't say that was my take, but I have encountered it before. I'm firmly in the 'don't really care' camp.
Financial-Sweet-4648@reddit
Boomer-world tradition dying hard. You’ll be free someday, friend. Believe.
iDontSow@reddit
Never met a judge who thought anything less than a suit was acceptable. Not sure that will ever change
Financial-Sweet-4648@reddit
Now THAT might not change. Hahah.
NemeanMiniLion@reddit
What do you do? And I'll tell you how I can get it without talking to anyone in a suit. I hear you, but it's your employer who demands it, not the customer.
iDontSow@reddit
I am a lawyer. It’s demanded by my employer, most clients, and the judges
NemeanMiniLion@reddit
That's a place where I agree, that is the norm.
rdrckcrous@reddit
it's more than that. dressing casually is not lack of a cultural norm.
I think it's because we hold succeeding without really caring as a virtue, and that's what people exhibit with how they dress. If someone dresses well, it looks like they're trying too hard. we don't value academic hard work resulting in over achieving as a virtue.
khuskii@reddit
This reminds me of when I was first applying to software engineering jobs. As a woman I was told multiple times to wear very grounded, down to earth clothes while interviewing and even going to work. Beyond just practical reasons (crawling under a desk to plug in a power cord/troubleshoot something), I want to display that I don’t care how I look, my work alone will prove my worth. Thus, my office has literally no dress code or cultural standards on appearance. It’s common to see sweats, hoodies, company given tshirts, basketball shorts, etc.
The US has a prominent hustle culture, and with that is signals that we are too busy and important to be worrying over superficial things, and to value practicality in our outfits over appearance.
Avery_Thorn@reddit
I would not say that dressing casually is lack of a cultural norm.
Dressing casually IS a cultural norm.
The United States is a very flat society, we attempt to hide any and all class divisions. (There are class divisions, there is a caste system, but we try very hard to hide it and make it much less noticeable.) Dressing "casually" is a way of hiding those divisions.
But note that not all casual clothing is equal. We have high end designer casual clothing. We have very stylish casual clothing. There is a LOT of opportunity for wealth flaunting and stylistic tribal signification with casual clothing, which only goes noticed by people within your in group.
NemeanMiniLion@reddit
Agree
GearBox5@reddit
It is almost like Americans value people on merits, not appearances. Actually the more affluent people are here, the less they care about cheap status symbols. What the point to show off with Rolexes when you can compete in the space race, right?
wittyrepartees@reddit
In a lot of places, dressing nicely isn't a person showing off, is them showing respect.
Certain_Expression41@reddit
"show the respect" is an old school northeastern thing and I dig it, but most of the other places I've lived in the country it is more of an American psycho type deal, and yes I am aware of the irony that American psycho took place in the northeast.
wittyrepartees@reddit
Oh, I'm more saying that there's a lot of reasons people dress up, and it's not always about keeping up appearances. So reading "trying to impress people with your clothing" into the behavior of other cultures isn't always capturing the full breadth of the human sartorial experience. But yeah, even within the states, some people wear nice clothing to church to show off, but a lot of people are kind of using clothing to mark that part of their lives as special, or because it's a way of bringing your best self to the house of God one way or another. My grandpa was a bit like that, and yeah he was born and bred North Jersey Irish Catholic. Worked in the trade centers before he retired. He wore most of his clothing until it fell off of him, but kept the good stuff for Mass, Christmas, and funerals.
Certain_Expression41@reddit
True. Also big on the Catholic culture there. I'm from the northwest originally so there's a lot of "yeah, Jesus is cool." Also, sartorial? Really? You've been waiting to bust that one out.
wittyrepartees@reddit
It's just how I talk man. I think big words make statements funnier.
GearBox5@reddit
Nah, it’s still about the value you bring to the table. Sure, sometimes it is expected that everybody dresses up to conform to some standard. But if the inviting party really value your participation, they will cut you some slack. Imagine Taylor Swift is jogging by your wedding reception and volunteers to perform a song. Would you show her the door due to lack of formal dress? Not so much for that annoying third cousin.
wittyrepartees@reddit
But what I'm saying is- there's a great breadth of cultural reasons people dress up. People dress up when no one can see them. People dress down to show humility (monks and nuns in many different religions). People use clothing as pretty complex symbolism and to express themselves outwardly.
GearBox5@reddit
Fundamentally there are just few motivations people have (Maslow’s pyramid, etc.) When we are talking about “dressing up”, it is clearly not about survival, so it means people do it to leave some impression on others. Show off, show of respect, doesn’t matter. Somebody who dresses up cares about other’s opinions. And it tells a lot about society where it is a necessity. Even example when nobody sees, it has the same meaning. Like women trying her bridal dress wants to invoke the feelings she experienced when she was the center of attention.
wittyrepartees@reddit
I... Asked people to wear Halloween costumes to my wedding?
bexy11@reddit
Yeah but it’s gotten REALLY casual in recent years. Like people walking around in pajamas…
Apprehensive_Deer087@reddit
I do this 🤭
bexy11@reddit
Well, the trend started when I was in my 40s but back in the 1980s and 90s when I was in high school, we had “pajama day” once a year and I truly wished it was every day because my pajamas were so damn comfy.
But I couldn’t really start wearing pajamas around town in my 40s… I could I guess but it’s a bit too casual for me and I’m pretty casual.
Apprehensive_Deer087@reddit
Hey it’s never too late!! Granted I’m barely an adult but no one would even notice trust me. Wearing pajama pants is the new sweatpants
bexy11@reddit
I’ll think about it. 😂
VelocityGrrl39@reddit
I work in vet med. I wear day pajamas to work (scrubs), come home, and get right into my night pajamas after showering. It’s very comfortable.
Apprehensive_Deer087@reddit
So comfortable!! Especially the silky ones
HaphazardFlitBipper@reddit
The reason is that we value performance over appearance, or at leleast we like to pretend that we do. Casual clothing is more comfortable, therefore personal performance is not adversely affected by being uncomfortable.
Sai_Devore@reddit
Freedom, that’s god damn why.
I don’t get all patriotic about much anymore, but I will here
wittyrepartees@reddit
It's nice to hear in a non-political situation.
Glass_Houses_@reddit
The reason is it’s more comfortable.
PhoneJazz@reddit
That’s the answer. Next question.
PraetorianOfficial@reddit
Look at a 1960 Hollywood movie. Every guy is wearing a suit every time he leaves the house. Scenes of Las Vegas show dapper gentlemen, all with ties and hats, standing around craps tables and blackjack tables. It sure doesn't look like that today. It was totally changed by about 1980.
I was heading off to a conference in about 1983 with an older coworker and he asked if I'd be wearing my suit on the plane or packing it--he hadn't flown in many years. I explained "neither"...It's August and we're going to Orlando so I'll likely be wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
With apologies to Eggsy and Harry, but in the US, clothes do NOT make the man.
IvyAmanita@reddit
My last job I wore yoga pants to work. I'm an accountant. The VP of finance wore basketball shorts. We were a $2B revenue company not a start up.
My current company I'm a little less casual - Jean's and a t-shirt. Again, am an accountant.
We love our comfort in America and I would really struggle to give that up if I lived somewhere else.
boner4crosstabs@reddit
I had a lawyer for a time, and when I’d meet him at his fancy seattle office he was usually wearing basketball shorts. Great lawyer who helped me quite a bit!
suboptimus_maximus@reddit
Here in Silicon Valley plenty of senior employees at multi-$T companies with hundreds of billions in annual revenue could be mistaken for homeless.
LadyBug_0570@reddit
I recall a few classmates coming to early classes in pajamas.
TheElPistolero@reddit
That's not casual, that's slob behavior.
Quirky-Invite7664@reddit
In Cambodia everyone wears pajamas everywhere
KittyBungholeFire@reddit
It's also completely normal on every single college campus in the country, and probably something you'll see at least once in every single class before noon (and many after noon, given that many students go to bed at 4-5am and roll out of bed in the early afternoon).
LadyBug_0570@reddit
I think it's the first time they can go to classes how they want without their parents mking them chnage.
Most of them grow out of it.
Former-Fig-9686@reddit
There is no university dress code anywhere. If there ever was, I never heard of it. Why do Czech students have to dress up?
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
I'd say it's because it's expected. There are no official dress codes, people just wouldn't wear sweats and stuff like that to uni. Might be because we see universities as formal places where you should dress properly just out of respect. Some of them are centuries old and that's one of the reasons.
Former-Fig-9686@reddit
Any comparison between Czechia and the United States has to take into account the difference in size. The US has 31 times more people than Czechia, living on 127 times more land. Although we have 4000 universities (compared to your 70), many of our students live very far away from the university they attend, so they live on campus or near the campus in student residences. They don't have the time or money to take care of a dressy wardrobe. If you live in a student residence with three or four other students in the same living space, maintaining a formal wardrobe is too time-consuming and expensive for students.
Vulpix_lover@reddit
What's the reason to dress so formal? I'm going to school, not court
juanzy@reddit
My school required you to dress formal for certain end of semester presentations, but no code otherwise.
Vulpix_lover@reddit
I mean sure, certain events I understand, but me just going to class shouldn't be a requirement to dress up
LastDitchTryForAName@reddit
I think it makes more sense for students to wear comfortable, casual clothing so that they can concentrate on the class instead of being distracted by stiff or uncomfortable clothing.
Mousearella@reddit
So you don’t have school uniforms at all? Same thing would apply to children as well.
SkepticMech@reddit
We do not. Save for the rare few private schools, or catholic schools. Public Schools in the US have dress codes, but jeans and a t-shirt are very much appropriate clothing in any of them.
VelocityGrrl39@reddit
About 20% of public schools in the US require uniforms. I had to look it up, and I was surprised it was that low, tbh. I thought it was higher.
ian9921@reddit
Can you share your source for that? I want to look at the details of what they're counting as a uniform. I think that's important context here.
VelocityGrrl39@reddit
Here you go. They don’t specify what a uniform is, but I remember when NYC had school uniforms (around the turn of the century), and I think it was khakis and a polo. Not as strict as we typically think for school uniforms.
SkepticMech@reddit
One in five?! This country is too darn big. I've never heard of a single modern school that has a dress code. Where are they at?! This is the indoor/outdoor locker disconnect all over again!
ian9921@reddit
I think we need to see what they're counting as a uniform/dress code.
I don't see any public schools with full uniforms or dress codes that may as well be a uniform (for example, only specific colors of shirts allowed).
However, I've seen plenty that have more basic ones (no inappropriate/violent images on shirts, shorts & skirts have a minimum length, no holes in your pants, no see-through clothing, no excessive cleavage, no masks, etc.)
And I imagine even the most lenient schools have something basic like "everyone has to wear a shirt".
So how much sense that 20% makes depends on the details of what they're looking at.
LastDitchTryForAName@reddit
Private (paid tuition) schools typically do, but many public schools do not.
ThePickleConnoisseur@reddit
Only private and some charter schools do. It’s seems are forcing students to wear something they might not want it and pay out of pocket for it.
vaguelyrandall@reddit
Some private schools have uniforms, but taxpayer funded schools do not.
juanzy@reddit
Plenty of kids who work while they’re in school have to dress in work-acceptable clothing to go to class. It shouldn’t be that big of a deal to wear jeans instead of sweats.
makestuff24-7@reddit
It shouldn't be that big of a deal to wear sweats instead of jeans, then. Hard pants aren't as comfortable.
LastDitchTryForAName@reddit
I would consider jeans casual clothing.
makestuff24-7@reddit
Me too; that's why I don't get why it's important to wear jeans instead of sweats.
VelocityGrrl39@reddit
It is for me. I hate jeans. I only wear them when I have to. If I have to dress up, I wear these comfy wide leg houndstooth pants that feel like sweatpants. I kind of wish I’d bought multiple pairs because I love them so much.
c0147@reddit
Plenty of data point to increased student performance at schools with dress codes.
LastDitchTryForAName@reddit
In college? I could see it in grade school, but I’d be surprised if it made any difference in college/university.
juanzy@reddit
Agree.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
There are times in business school where everyone is in full business attire. Suits. Dress shoes. No exceptions.
ian9921@reddit
At my school, us engineers thought that was a little funny. Like what are yall doing that's so important?
MilkChocolate21@reddit
Interviews. Interview prep. Meeting company reps. And any kind of presentation that simulated work presentations. But I'm an engineer too. We did suits for interviews and conferences.
allieggs@reddit
When I was in college there was a shortcut from the dorms to class that cut through the business school. My day to day involved coming through the building wearing what I rolled out of bed in while a bunch of people in suits and ties were lounging around discussing things that seemed important but went right over my head.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
I like clothes, but it was the only time in my life outside interviews that suits mattered. It was funny how into my suits (I'm a woman) I got during that period. Women at least have the possibility of injecting a bit more fashion into suits, so I amassed a collection I was very proud of.
totally_not_joseph@reddit
I really wish I had a reason to bust out formal attire. I love wearing ties, suits, shiny leather shoes and all that. I have a pretty good collection of ties and pocket (and wrist, but never at the same time) watches to accesorize with as well as a few different rings to work with.
Problem is, I'm a tradesman, and that kind of clothing just doesn't fly. Even going out isn't something I can really dress up for without making it look like my stock accounts crashed, my house is going into forclosure, and my car is about to be repossesed. I live in an area where people just don't dress up that much.
Oh, how I harken back to the days of highschool when band performances actually allowed me to dress to impress without the side-eye
MilkChocolate21@reddit
Well you could take pictures and post them online. I historically have dressed "better" than required because I like clothes. But I hear you. We also had "bschool prom" and I didn't mind getting dressed up for that either. You might enjoy the website (also on IG and other platforms) Die, Workwear though.
GermanPayroll@reddit
Same with law school. Mooting and stuff is in suits. But why not wear something comfortable beyond that.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
Yeah. I'm not surprised they have more formal dress codes although I feel like I've seen people in certain countries get more casual. I mean, same way the British college students and public school students have those robes, some that are worn daily and some that are only worn occasionally (and I don't pretend to know the difference but saw a story about a school that has had the same uniform since like the 1300s).
juanzy@reddit
The ones that required it were undergrad programs run by the business school. Iirc the Career Center would lend you a suit if you didn’t have one, so no excuses.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
I have an MBA. So that's different than an undergrad. Most people at top business schools have worked a while and are full fledged adults who have suits or the ability to buy them. We had to wear suits for certain events, too many to list, but definitely not every day.
Persistent_Parkie@reddit
When I was in university to become a teacher we were allowed to wear whatever to class but if we were doing practicums in the local schools we had a stricter dress code than even the teachers who worked there. So awesome having to spend the day wearing long pants in buildings without air conditioning.
PraetorianOfficial@reddit
I lived through that idiocy as well. No AC at all in my elementary school in the 60's and 70's and the semester starts in August when it's 100F and humid. Sorry, every student was required to wear long pants and a proper shirt with a collar. No exposed shoulders, feet, legs. Teachers were no happier with the situation than the students.
By 1975 in HS dress codes were mostly eliminated and shorts and tank tops and open sandals were allowed. Society wised up.
And yeah, university students by the last 70's and early 80's wore absolutely whatever they wanted. Well, a friend wore a shirt with Maxwell's equations on it to a physics test... professor looked at him, smiled, and said "I should make you take that off". Friend smiled back and said that would be fine with him. Professor told him to just get on inside.
SAM5TER5@reddit
Why dress formal to court? Why are there U.S. schools that require you to be in uniform?
TexanGoblin@reddit
Because there are actual dress code rules in court that judges will enforce, and from a totally self interested view, the better you dress the less likely someone is to have bias against you. Fair or not as a judge of your character, it factually happens so no point in disadvantaging yourself.
SAM5TER5@reddit
Couldn’t the same be said for school, though? The whole world operates on subjective bias and superficial impressions. If someone like a judge, whose whole job is to be as impartial and objective as physically possible, still fails time and time again based upon a person’s looks, then surely it’s not some huge leap to think it’d be even worse with a random teacher or classmate?
To be clear, I’m not arguing for uniforms or strict dress code. If I ran a school, I wouldn’t give a damn. But one of the biggest talking points of pro-uniform/dresscode people is that if everyone is wearing the same sort of thing, it can help remove that bias, as well as any major indicator of a person’s poverty, background, worldview, etc…which makes for a better learning environment.
Not that any of this comes close to answering OP’s question. They were asking for a reason behind the cultural differences between their country and ours.
LynnSeattle@reddit
Private schools can have more strict dress codes because students choose to attend them. If they don’t want to deal with it, they have other (public) options.
SAM5TER5@reddit
Universities very often ARE private schools though.
People are downvoting every comment I’ve made on this thread lol, and I’m not going to pretend I have the actual answer as to why the U.S. has so little dress code or social pressure to dress formally at school compared to other countries, but BOY OH BOY is it annoying how many people are jumping in to answer OP (who deleted their post because of all of this bullshit) with pointless nonsense. Like it’s okay to NOT know the answer behind the cultural difference lol, all these people didn’t need to reply to OP’s post with yet another thoughtless “we do it because we’re right”
Vulpix_lover@reddit
It's court, and those are usually private schools
SAM5TER5@reddit
“It’s court”
Just as OP would probably say “it’s school”
Also, why would a private school be more appropriate for uniforms?
I’m not trying to be a dick, but half the damn answers on this thread are basically just people uselessly saying “it’s the way it is because we do it that way and we’re right, and I will devote no further energy to basic critical thought” lol. Why are people even responding when they don’t have an actual answer for OP
Vulpix_lover@reddit
They do have an answer, the answer is "why not". Also it's not that private schools are more appropriate for uniforms, it's that private schools usually require you to dress in uniform
SAM5TER5@reddit
For fuck’s sake, listen to yourself lol. It’s just a hundred ways to spell “it’s like that because of the way it is”
And now OP removed their actually interesting question because of all of these dumbass useless answers lol
FoggyGoodwin@reddit
Uniforms help instill discipline. It makes it easier for the children to decide what to wear.
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
I'd say it's because we see universities as places of wisdom with long & rich histories, just something that should be respected, especially when it comes down to clothing.
TexanGoblin@reddit
Frankly, I think it's ridiculous to believe formal dress has anything to do with respect. Having clean and undamaged clothes, yeah sure, makes sense, but I see no value difference between someone in a suit and tie and someone in t shirt and shorts.
LynnSeattle@reddit
I just don’t see how your clothing choices relate to respect for the institution.
friskybiscuit14382@reddit
Americans pay a lot of money to go to school, so they expect to dress as they please there, since they pay so much. Most American college students are too broke to have a consistent, ever-changing quality wardrobe due to this.
Imaginary_Ladder_917@reddit
We’re a lot more pragmatic. We see a university as a place to get the education that will allow us to get a job. We aren’t really there for tradition, and our universities are often not very old and don’t have big long histories that we care about. Plus, we are just a more casual country. It seems silly to us to dress up to go to school. We don’t feel like our clothes make any impact on our ability to learn. I don’t think you are wrong for wearing it in your culture, but it doesn’t make sense for us in our culture to care that much about what we are wearing.
Flassourian@reddit
I work in higher ed. We tend to focus more on the value of the work, the academic achievements, the research breakthroughs, the attainment of credentials. It's about what the mind can do, not the garments on your body. One of the professors I worked with was one of the most sought after, well respected minds in his field. Regularly came to work in cargo shorts, a tee and flip flops. Definitely didn't make him any less respected.
It is also about the event/setting. We tend to plan wardrobes around the circumstance. Doing your thesis or dissertation final defense? You dress sharply for that. Giving a speech or presentation? Probably not going to wear sweats and a tee. You dress for ceremony, not just because you are inside the institution.
Dreamghost11@reddit
In my eyes, I'm paying a lot of money to learn, not put on a fashion show. As long as I'm not disrupting class and being polite to the professor, I'm showing sufficient respect.
rake66@reddit
Romanian here, I'm with the Americans on this one. Playing dress up has nothing to do with wisdom
c0147@reddit
There is a large gap between formal and looking like you just got out of bed wearing pajamas/sweats.
gtrocks555@reddit
There’s formal, there’s wearing a collard shirt and jeans/slacks and then there’s what a lot of Americans do. Definitely a spectrum.
cat_prophecy@reddit
It's a shirt, not greens. Collared is the word.
WentzWorldWords@reddit
An Eastern European woman doesn’t understand why American women don’t wear heels. Come on ladies, you’re in public! 🤣
xjester8@reddit
That’s why Eastern European women are superior
sunfish99@reddit
And I’ve reached elder status with healthy and undeformed feet by not wearing heels.
LinuxLinus@reddit
You should see the way people dress for court around here
Unusual_Memory3133@reddit
Dressing well used to be a signifier that you care about yourself enough to make an effort to look your best. It also shows respect for others by putting your best face forward. This was the way that most were raised 40-50 years ago, but it began to erode in the late 90’s and then Covid finally killed it. Add to that about 2 generations now raised without manners and the navel gazing of internet/Smart phone culture and you get exactly the attitude you have expressed. It obviously is not so in Europe and other parts of the world and indeed is a failure of American society and culture and American parenting. Queue the down votes and the flaming comments. I really do not care.
vi_sucks@reddit
Lol. The switch to casual dress in school started MUCH longer ago. If you read history books, you'll see a lot of handwringing and shuttling about "kids these days" wearing jeans and t-shirts to class in the 60s.
Loisgrand6@reddit
Cue
FilmnDro@reddit
Actually, Dress codes and formal wear were a way to limit low income people and by extension a large portion of the POC community from being in the same spaces.
rokstarlibrarian@reddit
You kids get off my lawn!
Rosiland_Hawkins@reddit
I downvoted you solely for being a whiny bitch about the downvotes preemptively.
Manda_lorian39@reddit
Or, the majority of later generations came to realize that, for most careers, the way we dress has no impact on the quality of our work, and therefore choose to reserve that “effort” for things that actually provide benefit and value. With the way work culture has gone in the last 3+ decades, we have neither the time nor the mental energy to worry about whether other people think we’re putting on “enough” of an effort, because as you can see, everyone has a different measurement of what is ‘enough’ and therefore we’ll never make everyone happy with the way we dress, so we’ll decide for ourselves what is enough
Thayli11@reddit
I'd argue that dressing up was more about looking successful. It's a class signifier. However that perception took a huge hit in the 90's because all the self made millionaires worked as programmers. A job renowned for prioritizing comfort and competence over "looking the part."
Grouchy_Assistant_75@reddit
I wore sweats to college in the early 80s. We need to stop trashing today's kids and parents.
Luna_C1888@reddit
“shows respect for others”… Get over yourself
Vulpix_lover@reddit
Appearances can be deceiving, and if I'm paying a lot of money to go to some school, I am absolutely dressing comfortably
It has nothing to do with "respect for others", having respect for someone means not belittling them or insulting them. I can dress nice and be the most disrespectful person around
DanMojo@reddit
There's a lot of Truth here. In the '60s and '70s, younger and cooler people rebelled against the strict dress codes of the business world. I know, I was there rebelling. Some of it was just flat ridiculous like wearing ties in the heat, and measuring skirts length with rulers. Eventually, business casual replaced business professional.
JacquesBlaireau13@reddit
When i was a kid ( I'm now 61) my mom would dress me in my best clothes whenever we flew on an airplane, which was infrequent, but always for a vacation. Traveling was a formal event to her generation.
psgrue@reddit
I got out of bed. I walked across a campus with 40,000 students. It was cold as fuck. Or rainy as fuck. Or hot as fuck. I passed a thousand of them without saying hello.
I stepped into a class with people in my major, all dressed the same. I hung out with people all dressed the same. The whole university was a Big School College Town that revolved around students.
Not a single person, faculty, student, or staff dressed up except for people with job interviews or top administrators.
It has zero to do with manners and everything to do with pragmatism.
UncleRuckus92@reddit
How the fuck does it show respect for others. If im coming into a class that I PAID FOR i can dress however I want. Obviously im not going to wear dirty clothes but grey sweatpants and a hoodie is acceptable.
If im doing a presentation or some other meeting where I want to come off a presentable I will dress up. No one is going back to suits and ties every day and the fact that you think we should shows a failure from whatever society you come from friend. God bless
FreeFigs_5751@reddit
I look my best in a ball gown and professional makeup, imo.
biggreasyrhinos@reddit
That's some bs. Men wore t-shirts and basketball shorts in the 80s, hell men wore t-shirts in the 50s.
MontagueStreet@reddit
*Cue
Vern1138@reddit
Yeah, I'm not waiting in line to downvote that, I'll do it whenever a damn well please.
PM-ME-UR-CODE@reddit
Lmfao this was good rage bait.
You’re right though the people who dress comfortably are DEFINITELY the ones acting entitled, not the people who think that they are so important others need to dress up to impress them.
Devierue@reddit
I suspect a lot of it is similar to how we've stopped dressing up for air travel: I pay way too much for this shit to not be comfortable.
ajfoscu@reddit
Perfectly stated.
MexicanAssLord69@reddit
It’s not a lack of manners anymore.
vi_sucks@reddit
My law school had a dress code.
I remember a week into our first year, the faculty got the entire class together in the biggest lecture hall to give us a major dressing down about wearing proper clothing.
I especially remember the expression of shock, horror, and disgust from the person delivering the lecture that some unnamed 1L had the temerity to wear a do-rag to class.
Beautiful_Sipsip@reddit
Europeans take more pride in their dressing and grooming in general
WattleWaddler2@reddit
School isn't your living room?
OkQuantity4011@reddit
I dressed formally for court once. The court was only formal in appearance, so now I just go in whatever I'm wearing. Supreme Court isn't gonna look at my outfit, they're gonna look at whether or not my constitutional rights were violated by baby courts. Nothing in the Constitution about court clothes, but plenty about civil rights.
BeachmontBear@reddit
It’s not exactly a Michelin Star restaurant. Why would you?
For what an education costs nowadays, you may as well be comfortable while you’re being robbed.
Avelsajo@reddit
We're already taking out massive loans to go to school.... How are we supposed to afford nice clothes? Lol
BeachmontBear@reddit
Maybe that’s why streaking is such a common issue?
Avelsajo@reddit
Oooh... Very good point... 😂
Careful_Ad9037@reddit
Yupppp, if I’m PAYING that much to be there, I’m wearing whatever the hell I want 😂
BurritoDespot@reddit
One single lecture probably costs more than a tasting menu.
rockandroller@reddit
Why would we dress up for school? We find that weird.
noodleth_cassette@reddit
I wouldn't say we find that weird. There's people who show up in pj's and cross but also people who show up in khakis and ironed shirts. We're open to whatever you want to do
dangleicious13@reddit
I find it weird.
noodleth_cassette@reddit
Okay well y'all mfs in Alabama judgemental as hell 🙏
Puzzled-Bench2805@reddit
Disagree. That one guy who always shows up to school in a full suit is a social outcast. That isn’t a socially acceptable thing to do. There’s definitely boundaries here. You wouldn’t show up to your law class dressed like you’re ready for court without people thinking you’re a weirdo.
External-Ad-992@reddit
Obviously we're not talking about wearing a full suit to class. But something quite a bit nicer than sweats and pyjamas and the sloppiness Americans run around in. It looks messy and bad and to other dressing presentably and well is a sign that you're showing a place and others respect
rockandroller@reddit
You've been conditioned to judge people based on their clothing and honestly it isn't a good way to be. I would encourage you to work on unlearning this. It's snobbery, classist, judgy, and lots of other unfortunate stuff. I had to unlearn it myself, I get it. And I'm glad I let it go.
Puzzled-Bench2805@reddit
That’s stupid. Clothes are meaningless.
flyingpotatox2@reddit
Not talking about suits but a fair amount of students wear polos, khakis or similar level of formality and I don’t find that weird. It’s refreshing for people to put some effort into there appearance
Ponce-Mansley@reddit
Imo polos and khakis are just as casual as anything else being mentioned as a casual outfit
Puzzled-Bench2805@reddit
Sure, but I don’t really think polo shirts is what OP meant
oldfarmjoy@reddit
True dat.
Mousearella@reddit
Why? It’s a way to express yourself.
rockandroller@reddit
Whatever you wear is expressing yourself, including sweat pants and hoodies. There is tremendous variety in even these very casual clothes, at least for women. Different lengths and styles of the shirt under the hoodie, whether the hoodie zips or is a pullover, whether it's a luxe, smoother material making it feel more expensive and luxurious, what jewelry you wear with it, tons of little choices that make an outfit like this deliberate choice and expression.
An8thOfFeanor@reddit
Unless you're in catholic school, but you end up resenting that eventually
Low_Computer_6542@reddit
Actually Catholic Schools require uniforms. If you outgrow your uniform, you donate it to the school and someone else gets it.
The reason is because these schools have a wide range of economic incomes. There are scholarship students whose parents work in restaurants and other students whose parents donate large sums of money.
I have also worked in low income schools where uniforms were also required. It removes an economic stigma that can exist.
cat_prophecy@reddit
I've never seen a Catholic school that has a dress code beyond khakis and a polo or sweater. Few high schools will have blazers. But that's it.
rockandroller@reddit
Exactly. People resent being forced to dress up. Socially or by rules.
msh0430@reddit
Up until very recently, the norm was too dress professionally in post secondary school. Law school students would wear a shirt and tie up until probably early 1990s I want to say.
SAM5TER5@reddit
By that logic, you could equally ask “why anyone dresses up for anything?”
Any clothing that doesn’t have an obvious utilitarian purpose (storage, shade, warmth, etc.) is almost purely cultural/psychological. And you can’t act like America doesn’t have school uniforms, because a fair amount of U.S. schools do. Just not as many universities.
Either way, every place in the U.S. still has a dress code and a social norm, it just may not be as strict or formal as elsewhere.
tuckedfexas@reddit
If you ignore comfort completely, sure
SAM5TER5@reddit
I mean yes, comfort is a utilitarian purpose, but that’s not really the question. OP didn’t say they’re wearing a badly fitted 3-piece suit with a top hat in the summer, they just asked why we dress so casually.
You don’t really have to spend more or be much less comfortable to wear clothes that aren’t “casual”. Even if we’re talking straight up school uniforms, 99% of them are usually just like…loose pants and a loose shirt lol.
ajfoscu@reddit
OP isn’t questioning whether we dress up, more questioning why we dress so casually (sweatpants and yoga pants come to mind).
Slight_Manufacturer6@reddit
Not how I read it. OP said in Europe, dress code is more formal and formal usually means dressed up.
igotshadowbaned@reddit
And they're returning the question by asking why they dress up for everything
JoeMorgue@reddit
Gather around Americans it's time for our daily "A European is here to tell us we dress too casually" talking down to.
biggamax@reddit
Until you get on a plane, land somewhere in Europe, and realize that OP is right.
JoeMorgue@reddit
And let me check all the pockets in my cheap, comfy, perfectly functional clothes for a fuck to give.
biggamax@reddit
Don't bother. Our clothes are already speaking for us.
True patriots aren't afraid to ruthlessly criticize America.
Panty wearing sissies insist that you never do. You seem to have a fashion sense about that part of your outfit.
JoeMorgue@reddit
.... fucking what? Is there a point in that incoherent nonsense?
jvc1011@reddit
Yes, of course. Random homophobia and misogyny was the point.
biggamax@reddit
Any person, of any gender, that wants to wear panties is cool. All reasons for wearing them are fine, except one: lack of testicular fortitude.
Harden up, buttercup, and be prepared to criticize your country if you want to improve it.
Or don't. And try to mischaracterize the truth of what I say as homophobia and misogyny, because you don't have the balls to take the argument head on, in good faith.
jvc1011@reddit
“Sissy” is specifically a misogynistic slur, often used homophobically. Don’t play like you don’t know that. You are just happy to hate on women and anyone you perceive as feminine.
That doesn’t make you edgy or cute. It makes you a misogynist and a homophobe.
biggamax@reddit
The term harms men and women equally. When applied to both genders, it's called an "insult". And it's deserved in this context.
Many gay men have reclaimed "sissy" as a self-descriptive compliment.
Context. Situation. Scenario.
Definition is not lockstep with whatever you say it is, or however it is you want to wield it to supplement your lack of a real argument.
jvc1011@reddit
It hurts men and women equally by treating women as inferior, you absolute potato.
You should say fewer things.
biggamax@reddit
Women aren't inferior. But an individual who latches onto a concept that they think is a gotcha, and uses it to argue in bad faith might be.
American patriots aren't afraid to criticize her. That's how we improve our Country. And she isn't a sissy, even if she provides a home to some.
You've sidestepped this concept in bad faith and have instead focused on the word because you think that's a workaround to harming somebody whose opinions you don't like. That's just pure cowardice.
officerboba@reddit
so much words for being an incel
biggamax@reddit
So many words, for being an incel.
biggamax@reddit
You understood me, and when it landed, you simultaneously pulled some silk out that was bunched up where the sun don't shine.
officerboba@reddit
Bro is having a stroke
pastrymom@reddit
This comment made me spit my drink out.
biggamax@reddit
Don't bother. Our clothes are already speaking for us.
quitealargeorangecat@reddit
Europeans dress too formally.
biggamax@reddit
Sometimes, yes. For sure. But they also enjoy it and take pride in it. Dress British, think Yiddish. It'll get you places.
Long_Situation_5020@reddit
No one can legally prevent it.
Arleare13@reddit
Schools could certainly legally set dress codes if they wanted to.
It’s just that nobody wants to.
Long_Situation_5020@reddit
In other words, no one can legally prevent it.
GingerTea69@reddit
America's college is everybody else's high school, for lack of a better way to put it
Destrion425@reddit
If you’re talking educationally you’re wrong. If you’re talking culturally you’re still wrong.
GingerTea69@reddit
I'm talking about in terms of acceptable self-expression through clothing, not necessarily academic rigor or emotional maturity.
Alert-Painting1164@reddit
Not sure any European ones have dress codes either
notthegoatseguy@reddit
Europe isn't the same as your neighborhood or whatever. Tons of people dress casually in many European countries, students and otherwise.
The whole "Europeans dress for fashion, Americans for comfort" stereotype maybe only applies to those older than 60 at this point
min6char@reddit
r/AskAnAmerican, come to get reminded that America isn't a monolith, stay to get reminded that the whole continent you live on also isn't a monolith.
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
This isn't about how people dress in general, but rather in which clothing they attend school. It's the same across all of the Czech Republic. I've lived in 3 differently sized cities here, and have uni friends from all over the country. Not really hard to notice since every city, community, etc. is connected with public transport, and we're not a country made up of satellite suburbs. I don't know why you're referring to my "neighborhood or whatever" this way, like I'm some kind of ignorant who hasn't travelled for a bit on this small continent of ours. Seems very rude.
notthegoatseguy@reddit
So your experience is CR, but you framed it as Europe.
Why not just say CR instead?
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
Heard from friends in different European countries and also saw that its similiar.
jvc1011@reddit
Well, I’ve taught French students and they don’t dress formally for school. So the Czech Republic isn’t “Europe” in this sense; it’s the Czech Republic.
reddock4490@reddit
I will say, the first time I visited London, I saw so many people wearing long wool coats in April that were just pouring sweat, lol. They were obviously suffering for fashion, while I was there comfy in jeans and a T shirt
Heiderleg@reddit
You can find long cotton coats and light Barbour jackets more fit for april weather, so comfortable yet good looking. Better that than dressing like a toddler.
GafTheHorseInTears@reddit
You okay there, buddy?
Heiderleg@reddit
I just love to point out flaws and to trigger americans! Sometimes I just say "dress like shit" and "how is your foreskin". It's great fun.
reddock4490@reddit
Thanks for the tip. If I see anyone dressed like a toddler, I’ll let them know
Heiderleg@reddit
I am certain you will find a good number of males dressing like toddlers in Alabama. Please, be the change I want to see.
reddock4490@reddit
I wouldn’t know, I haven’t been in ten years, but I’m sure you’re right
FiddleThruTheFlowers@reddit
Yeah. Stuff like which specific styles and fits are popular can and do vary, but the whole "Europeans don't wear jeans, tennis shoes, or t shirts" common wisdom is nonsense nowadays. I don't know about universities specifically, and obviously Europe is a big continent, but at least western Europe has plenty of locals dressing like that.
85KT@reddit
I'm from Belgium and our universities definitely don't have a dresscode. The only time anyone ever cared what you were wearing was during oral exams.
probablynotaround@reddit
It’s a school you’re paying a lot of money to attend, dress comfortably
TiredNurse111@reddit
I believe that like in many European countries, college is free in the Czech Republic.
Realtrain@reddit
Even in colleges with free tuition (which is becoming more and more common in parts of the US), there's still the casual dress.
I think it's just that the US has always had a more casual culture.
LynnSeattle@reddit
Where are these colleges with free tuition in the US?
Realtrain@reddit
Any State University of New York campus is tuition-free for people with a household income under $125,000 per year. (Also once you're 25, all community colleges in New York are free.)
Michigan has free community college for anyone living in their districts.
Massachusetts has free community college for all residents.
A growing number of states have similar programs, though I'm less familiar with them.
Far_Silver@reddit
Berea College in Kentucky has no tuition. Every student is work-study and they rely heavily on alumni donations.
bill_gates_lover@reddit
How is that relevant? If you pay a ton of money for an opera ticket, you’re expected to dress nicely. The price doesn’t matter.
Trainer149@reddit
I certainly feel like paying more for a product decreases the amount of social effort you are expected to hold to. I don't have counter examples, or any solid reasoning for saying so, but that's what my gut tells me.
Funicularly@reddit
People go to the opera five days a week?
Quirky-Invite7664@reddit
Exactly. If I’m paying big bucks for tuition, I’m wearing whatever I want!
OpposumMyPossum@reddit
I guess I could ask why are you dressing up to go to class?
What makes it important?
External-Ad-992@reddit
You're not in your living room bumming around watching tv. You're in front of others and in an institution of learning. It's really not too much to ask to not wear your pyjamas. You can be comfortable without wearing actual sweatpants.
SeaworthinessTop255@reddit
How does someone else dressed in pajamas affect YOUR learning?
External-Ad-992@reddit
It doesn't affect learning. It's disrespectful to walk around in your bloody pyjamas. The rest of the world makes fun of the US for how sloppy they look. You wanna look like a slob, though, that's up to you.
I see Americans wearing jeans and runners to christenings and weddings, for God's sake. It's very much looked down upon throughout much of the world. But you do you.
officerboba@reddit
Nothing can ever please you guys lmao
OpposumMyPossum@reddit
Well, to be honest I can't but this isn't about me.
But watching TV? How old are you?!
So what level of formalness is needed? When I go to a funeral, I understand why I am dressing up.
I honestly can't think of a reason to dress up while I'm some where to learn.
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
Out of respect for the professors, my classmates, educatioan and overall the university as a whole. It's almost 700 years old, has a rich history and has been very important for the country itself from the beginning. Not as much now, but a huge thing for the Bohemian lands in medieval and modern times.
OpposumMyPossum@reddit
That has no link to what some people think is appropriate to wear. It's certainly not what they thought was appropriate 100/200/300 years ago.
I'm VERY big into respecting others odors, noise, privacy, enunciation and clear penmanship. Clothes don't register as something like that. If the clothes are offensive (words) or revealing (not because I'm a pride but lots of people think bodies and parts are gross - like feet), that's one thing, but clean, comfortable clothes?
Nothing wrong with wearing what you want.
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
It has. We're taught from childhood that you should dress as to respect these institutions, be it a primary school, high school or a university.
OpposumMyPossum@reddit
I'm just saying here. It's a bit different.
There's a reason we were one of the first countries where women were legally allowed to wear pants.
tinfoilhattie@reddit
Why do your judge respect by the clothes that someone wears rather than the academic rigor of their mind, the intentions and results of their actions, and the ethics of the decisions they make? I'm curious why an outward wrapping is so important to you in respecting an educational institution rather than more heavily weighting a respect for the academics and work of the students, staff, and faculty on the campus. Culturally, in the US, that point of view is less common in my experience, so I'm curious about the cultural underpinnings that bring you to ask this question.
WattleWaddler2@reddit
Maybe he thinks education is important?
Benny303@reddit
How does dressing formally make you more educated? Does wearing a suit or strict uniform somehow make you comprehend the content of your courses better? I would say it's the opposite. Casual wear is comfortable meaning you can focus on your work. You get more studying done because you aren't worried about spending time to get dressed jn a professional matter.
Realtrain@reddit
Sleeping is important, but I'm not dressing up for that.
MomThinksImHandsome@reddit
Don't be obtuse. What makes dressing up important TO education?
BAMspek@reddit
So wearing a suit helps you learn?
Teknicsrx7@reddit
Is it helping improve his education?
OpposumMyPossum@reddit
Do you think working out is important?
Gold_Telephone_7192@reddit
Just cultural differences. Different countries have different norms on which clothes are appropriate for which situations and which clothes people like wearing.
allieggs@reddit
Also huge differences regionally and even between different workplaces, schools, etc.
I’m a teacher. It is pretty rare for public schools here to have codified teacher dress codes, and even rarer for them to be followed. Usually we are very casual, though there are unspoken expectations that you dress at least more modestly than what would be acceptable for a student, and I think there’s also one that teachers on the younger side lean more towards the “smart” side of smart casual. But I don’t think my coworkers would even notice if I didn’t.
But go to any of the teacher subreddits and you’ll find lots of people saying that their schools say that they can only wear jeans on Friday. Or something. Here, even “don’t wear jeans” usually still means you can wear black ones. I personally think it’s diabolical to ask people working a job where they’re standing all day to wear uncomfortable shoes.
Low_Computer_6542@reddit
I totally agree about dress shoes. Many older women have to deal with foot issues because they were forced to wear high heels for work. I have yet to run across a man who has to have surgery on their feet because they wore dress shoes for work.
allieggs@reddit
Even wearing things more similar to men’s dress shoes (ballet flats, loafers) make my feet blister like crazy if I have to do any large quantity of walking in them. They come out during job interviews and no other time.
I saw a thread recently on a different subreddit where they noticed that expectations for women to wear heels have largely died out with younger generations. I’m in my late 20s and have worn them twice. One of them was for my own wedding.
SparklingSaturnRing@reddit
I’m 31 and see a lot of discourse about teacher attire on line for whatever reason
When I was in school all the teachers wore business casual, never jeans - usually nice tops/sweaters with slacks or a dress for woman
I’m all for people being comfortable at work but I do think teachers should dress “professionally”
It shows a respect for your job and the students, if you look well put together people are naturally more likely to respect you as well, weather they realize this or not
LynnSeattle@reddit
Five and six year olds don’t care at all about the formality of their teacher’s clothing.
allieggs@reddit
I teach middle school at a K-8 school. Interestingly enough, the elementary teachers tend to dress up way more than the secondary ones do. But there’s much wider variation with them in this aspect. They will be teaching in a dress and heels one day and then full on athletic gear the next.
tn00bz@reddit
Yeah, I'm a teacher in California and my personal dress code is Chinos and a button up shirt, but we technically have no dress code. Some teachers literally wear jeans and a T-shirt. As much as I'd like to dress that casually, I'm also a man with hair down to the middle of my back and a large beard.. I gotta do something to look professional.
Crayshack@reddit
Americans tend to default to dressing casually unless there's a specific reason to dress up.
No_Sorbet1634@reddit
Undergrad is an informal setting outside of some cases, such as clinicals and presentations where formal (more likely semi-formal) attire will likely be required or encouraged.
Cultural it’s really just a fact that the U.S. has been fairly laxed on formality since the 80s and previous decades saw a loosening of what formality means and the rise of semi formality. Especially in broad academia where to my knowledge Americans have earned a pension for being eclectic. My university was small attracted eclectic personalities, but still none of the biological and chemistry professors wore closed toe shoes outside of labs.
I never went to grad school but all of my friends that went seemed to always be in business casual or dark/neutral tones when more casual. Especially among social sciences, Law, and medical sciences. The only ecology major I knew to go on to grad school still wore cargo shorts and a bowling shirts afaik (pretty much Charlie sheen style). I doubt there was a dress code but that just seemed to be the norm. Not to mention for a large portion of the contiguous US any thing more than Khakis and a button is begging for a afternoon lecture hall of “swamp ass” for a large portion of the academic year.
oneislandgirl@reddit
I would say people in the US in general probably dress more casually so it just spills over to school life. My thought is if you are going somewhere that you are paying for - you can decide how you want to dress (restaurants for example). If someone is paying you to be there, then you dress appropriately and act professionally.
On_my_last_spoon@reddit
I will say that you should dress for the major you have to impress the professors who will get you a job.
Like I taught theater costumes. I didn’t really care what my students wore, as long as they could be safe. Like don’t show up in stilettos I might be sending you across campus with a rack of clothes!
But if you’re majoring in business, you should try to emulate what you will see in the real world. Your professors know people and sometimes work in impressive places. Do well in class and show up looking like you mean business!
ParryLimeade@reddit
Professors don’t give you jobs normally. Unless you’re going into academics?
drbhrb@reddit
Networking is probably even more valuable than the education. Professors absolutely can connect you to jobs
ParryLimeade@reddit
Not my experience. All the professors from my undergrad and grad have been out of the field for a very long time and don’t have any more relevant connections to get you jobs.
drbhrb@reddit
Depends on the field. In many fields professors are still in industry, or at least are still connected
On_my_last_spoon@reddit
Yes they do. I’m literally working right now with a former student that I got her that job.
Many professors outside of the sciences have direct access to real world jobs. Either because they still do that work or they know people who do. Adjuncts especially do because they teach part time but often have other jobs in the field.
And if the professor doesn’t they know people. They have alumni they can connect you to. They know the professionals out in the world. But more and more the expectation is that Professors have solid professional connections.
Ok_Entertainment9665@reddit
I disagree with the first part and would add a slight addendum: if you’re paying for it and it doesn’t have a dress-code you can dress how you want. If I’m spending $100/plate at a fine establishment I would fully expect them to ask someone wearing cookie monster pyjamas and a jack skellington Tshirt to leave.
oneislandgirl@reddit
Then you choose a restaurant which has a dress code. I've been to some of those and have seen men provided with a jacket to wear while they were there. Also was at a hotel where men were not allowed to walk through the lobby in the evening without long pants and a sport coat. Even young children. Not a fun time when it was unexpected.
saintmsent@reddit
My wife studied in the Czech Republic and there was no dress code or anything. Maybe people don’t wear gym clothes en masse, but casual pants, jeans, t-shirts, casual dresses, etc. are normal in this setting and I wouldn’t call those “formal” in any way
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
Jeans or panths are absolutely normal to wear to uni, but from what I've heard from my friends in the US, it's very common to dress even more casual in the US during classes. That's what makes me curious; it would probably be quite disrespectful to do so here. Honestly, I haven't seen anybody wearing sweatpants to a seminar or a lecture.
ChestSlight8984@reddit
By "here", you mean "Czech Republic" and not "all of Europe" as your post implies. Europe is very big. An entire continent, in fact. Different places in Europe have different cultures. Some countries in Europe I'm sure are just fine with casualwear at colleges.
Krusty_Krab_Pussy@reddit
I think there's a societal understanding of dressing comfy in sweatpants and stuff, so no one bats an eye since we all get wanting to wear something comfortable. The only thing that's weird would be wearing pajama bottoms, but even then people do it.
Wind_Responsible@reddit
Because all Americans dress like shit now. Even myself.
masoleumofhope@reddit
Attended a large university - 40-60k students - with very strong academics located in a warmer climate.
Most people dressed very casually for classes except a student that wore a suit every day he came to campus. Very nice guy, but stood out tremendously. Everyone I met while at the school knew about suit guy, presumably because he stood out so much. I still run into people who went to my university during my time who'll bring up suit guy.
My thought process wrt "dressing up": If I am paying for my university then who cares what I wear? I show respect to my professors and peers by showing up, being prepared, being engaged, and communicating respectfully. I can do that in my jorts thank your very much :)
Tygrkatt@reddit
Comfort. Why should they be concerned with anything else
CosmoBiologist@reddit
Counterpoint, check out Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). It's a fashion show every day!
Whatever-ItsFine@reddit
We’re fat, so nice clothes don’t look as good on us.
Also the US has had a very individualistic streak since the beginning. We have a “no one is going to tell me what to do!” attitude. Sometimes that’s a good thing but other times it leads to some selfish behavior like listening to videos out loud in public on your phone.
Accomplished_Cell768@reddit
This isn’t specific to school here. If you compare what the average European wears to the grocery store to what the average American wears you will see the same disparity. Americans generally dress down compared to Europeans.
WrongJohnSilver@reddit
Eh, "the European wearing a sport coat to the grocery store" is a meme. Not always accurate, but it's there.
Accomplished_Cell768@reddit
It’s more that Americans wear pajamas and athleisure regularly. Even casual clothes are a step above.
WrongJohnSilver@reddit
And yet, the American does not see athleisure as a step below casual.
(Pajamas, yes, but that's a separate topic.)
Accomplished_Cell768@reddit
That’s really a very recent change. I am American and a young millennial and my experience has been that until the last 3 years or so athleisure was considered a step below jeans and a t-shirt pretty universally. It’s Gen Z elevating athleisure post-COVID.
Tree_killer_76@reddit
When I was in high school we had a dress code and it was polos, jeans or shorts and closed toe shoes. During summers in the high school years, I worked at law firms, and wore suit and tie. When in college, I wore whatever, but when I did 2 college internships at major banks, I wore suit and tie. When I started my career in banking I wore suit and tie. When I got promoted into a regional product manager role, the tie was no longer necessary, and that eventually morphed into slacks and short sleeve tee shirt with sports jacket. Now, as a consultant, when I’m in my office it’s shorts or jeans and polos again. But when I’m meeting with clients it’s slacks and polos with sport jacket.
I wouldn’t dream of dressing down in front of a client.
Triscuitmeniscus@reddit
There's two kinds of "casual" at a US college/university. There's the normal casual that's just everyday clothes for young people, something akin to jeans and a t-shirt or leggings and a hoodie or pullover. They wear that because that's what young people wear and there's no reason or social impetus to "dress up" in class.
Then there's the "college casual" that is much more casual than what most young people wear outside, and more akin to pajamas. When I was in college one of my favorite outfits was a pair of blue polka dotted pajama pants that looked pretty close to this, a tattered tie-dyed t-shirt and a pair of rainbow birkenstocks similar to these, paired with socks if it was winter. I probably slept in these clothes the night before, and I would have shown up to class bleary eyed with hair sticking out from my head. Roughly 1/3 of the people in the class would be dressed like this. It was almost purposefully slovenly and sloppy, and more than once I was mistaken for a homeless person while walking to class. It was very much a college thing, way more casual than even 95% of the people you see in Walmart. For the most part only residential students dressed this way, commuters almost never did.
The reason for this was that since we lived on campus, the whole thing sort of felt like our home and our dress reflected that. We lived in dorms, ate at the cafeteria, played and hung out in the quads, went to the gym, attended events, etc on campus so eventually we treated the whole campus as an extension of our living room. Also it saved time in the morning and when you got home after your morning class you were ready to take your nap without changing.
WritPositWrit@reddit
LOL
This sub has become an endkess list of “why are Americans so formal?” AND “why are Americans so casual”
JediLincoln14@reddit
Despite what people online seem to think, Europe isn't a monolith. I'm sure it varies from country to country. I also suspect you think the average American college student dresses more casually than they actually do.
Alert-Painting1164@reddit
I’m not sure I’ve known a University in Europe with a dress code
Weirdo9495@reddit
Not a full dress code. But in Europe there's generally a concept of "outside clothing" and "house clothing." House clothing is comfort above all else and looks are secondary. Some people also go to a local store in it. But for uni most people dress up a bit, not in an uniform/suit, but in bit nicer/fancier clothes. Nothing too fancy lot of the time, but for example sweatpants or pajamas in particular don't really happen.
Fwiw i prefer the casual attitude Americans have about this, just explaining how OP probably sees it.
TiredAndTiredOfIt@reddit
What's the reason behind university atudents dressing so formally outside the US?
Hint: CULTURE
RightFlounder@reddit
Casual clothes cost less than more formal clothes.
Standard_Structure_9@reddit
America is one of the select few places where dressing casually is not required or an indicator of success. Mark Zuckerberg for example wears jeans and a T-shirt almost everywhere.
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Sokkasm42@reddit
All of my classes involve fieldwork, I am not about to wear a suit or a polo shirt on a 3 hour hike in the desert when I'm identifying plants.
bellegroves@reddit
We literally have to specify "no jeans" at weddings or people will wear jeans. 🤷🏼♀️
c0147@reddit
I have no idea why American adults choose to leave the house looking like they just got out of bed.
This aesthetic has become even worse since the pandemic.
Best example of this is at airport.
SkinyGuniea417@reddit
Where I'm from you generally only dress "professionally" for traditional high paying jobs, court, and church. I remember when I took a speech class in high school we got points for doing our presentations in professional attire, but I can't remember anyone actually doing it unless they needed all the credit they could get.
Remarkable_Table_279@reddit
There are some colleges that have a dress code & people dress more like they’re going to the office but they’re rare and usually private. (Mine was like that no jeans & guys even had to wear ties in morning - but that was ages ago) But I think our office wear is still more casual than your office wear. If I see coworkers in jeans it’s not surprising (also not surprising if I see one in a tie) I think the PJs for class thing happened cause of laziness/can’t be bothered and also the freedom to not have to meet school dress code or parents expectations.
I personally was taught that PJs were inside the house only and only in last few years have I even started getting mail in them. It used to be no one outside your family were supposed to see you in nightwear (that’s why robes were popular)
CGCutter379@reddit
Casual dress started in the '70s as part of the counter culture movement. It first started appearing at colleges and worked it way quickly through society finally arriving in the workplace.
Inevitable_Wolf5866@reddit
The dress code is more strict at Law School because you will definitely have to wear a suit as a lawyer. My brother is at MatFyz and wears casual clothes... or what a lot of people would call childish (mostly cartoons).
LivingGhost371@reddit
Formal clothes are uncomfortable. I don't even own a suit and tie that fit me and haven't worn once since we were required to on a class trip to Washington DC back in 1990.
My idea of "dressing up" is putting on clean jeans instead of pajama pants.
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
Is comfort really that big of reason? I've never really heard anybody complaining about formal chinos & a shirt being uncomfortable.
mistiklest@reddit
Compared to sweapants or leggings and a hoodie?
SJReaver@reddit
People are giving modern answers but there are two big reasons why American colleges have a more casual dress.
-- Hippy culture/Women's Lib: There was a time where a man wearing hair to his shoulders or a woman wearing pants would be kicked off college campuses, especially prestigious campuses. During the 60s and 70s, college students protested this and had sit-ins, and were largely able to change the culture.
-- GenX tech culture: During the 90s, we had the first Gen X tech bubble forming on the West Coast/California, and there was an aggressive push for more casual wear at work. Millennials grew up seeing millionaires wearing jeans and hoodies, and their concept of professional wear became far more casual.
gadget850@reddit
Cultural differences and weather. The US can be much warmer than Europe in the summer.
Heiderleg@reddit
Spain says hello. Their summer temperatures are extreme.
MikeUsesNotion@reddit
I just looked up the Spanish weather and it's not extreme unless you consider the weather in the US South and Midwest extreme.
Heiderleg@reddit
Spain had extreme heatwaves where many people have died. I know your country has too, but trust me, Spain gets really, really hot. But you aren't wrong about the US getting really hot, and the hot weather cover much more of the US compared to the continent of europe.
UCanBdoWatWeWant2Do@reddit
"Europe" doesn't mean anything.
wikiwiki123@reddit
Define formal. Most "formal" fashions are just old fashions. You're dressing in the same fashion as the people in power and the people in power tend to wear older fashions.
Nowadays the people in power (at least in tech in the US at least) dress "casually". Which really just means not in an outdated "formal" fashion
Scared-Quarter-6074@reddit
my degrees are still the same whether i wore pajamas or a black tie outfit. i chose pajamas everytime
Critical_Cat_8162@reddit
What would be the point of dressing up? You're not there to impress anyone - you're there to learn. Be comfortable.
FondleGanoosh438@reddit
What’s with everyone else in the world not dressing comfortably?
PCBassoonist@reddit
We dress really casually in general unless we are at work where there is a dress code. Athletic attire is very trendy at the moment as well.
cat_prophecy@reddit
I've seen pictures from when my sister went to uni in Spain. They definitely don't dress formally.
LexiD523@reddit
We're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to be there, and will likely be paying off that debt for the rest of our lives. We're at least going to be comfortable while in class.
Icey_Raccon@reddit
After the World War II, the US government instituted a tax increase on 'fine clothes' to make up the budget after the war. However, the 'increase' was 600%.
In protest, Americans began to purposefully dress down. They started wearing jeans and overalls everywhere when before they had been work clothes.
In 1965, the Civil Rights movement had a 'blue jeans uniform' to represent the cheap labor most African Americans were forced into.
In 2006, a judge in Belarus dismissed a rape charge because the victim was wearing jeans. The judge said they were 'too hard for a rapist to get off' so the woman must have helped.
Once again, blue jeans have become the uniform of protest. April 29th is now 'Denim Day' where everyone should wear blue jeans to protest sexual assault.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/denim-political-symbol-1960s-180976241/
https://denimday.org/
Shagllew@reddit
Nah, you gotta pay me to be uncomfortable. I am not doing that shit for free unless it’s family. And even then… it depends.
orcas-@reddit
Um, we love comfort? People below have more thorough answers but I’ll share an anecdote. I studied abroad in Brazil - loved it there, assimilated very well, almost transferred to graduate from there instead of my home university, but alas I came back. I flew home to the US in ratty sweatpants and my college hoodie (complete with bleach stains), and flipflops I was pulled aside for secondary screening and asked “where did i buy this (American) passport and who was I really??” I told the immigration officer, in my clearest Bronx accent, that if I were a Brazilian, there’s no way id be dressed so bummy - look at all the actual Brazilian’s getting off the flight - in heels, tight shapely jeans, necklaces and fancy belts and handbags - I had a 10 yo jansport backpack and stained sweats, that should be even better proof than my passport that i am AMERICAN
Important_Fruit@reddit
Your first course at university is Gym?
TopoliCZ@reddit (OP)
Yeah, I chose it as an extra subject to get more university credits. It's free and I get to exercise with my friends lol
LynnSeattle@reddit
What’s the reason for more formal dress codes for university students in the Czech Republic?
Rickydada@reddit
Not paying 50,000 to be uncomfortable every day
Usual_Maybe6216@reddit
What Europeans think is “ appropriate attire” would be considered goofy here
ophaus@reddit
They aren't getting paid to be professional. What's the difference?
RobotShlomo@reddit
We like to be comfortable.
duke_igthorns_bulge@reddit
People used to wear everyday clothes to school, but the freedom of a university student being at school for the first time with no one to enforce a dress code, with the addition of a party culture that encourages kids to stay up late drinking, and you get people who’d come to class in pajamas. Eventually it became the norm instead of the exception.
Technical-Prize-4840@reddit
We see school as an informal environment where feeling a lack of restriction is considered necessary for freedom of thought. College/University in the US is supposed to be a time when young adults learn independence and imposing a dress code would take away from that independence.
MikeUsesNotion@reddit
I very much doubt that's any part of the why US universities and colleges don't have a dress code. It might be a good reason against adding one.
Imaginary_Lock_1290@reddit
it got worse after Covid. i think it's terrible.
Responsible_Side8131@reddit
American students, for the most part, never wear school uniforms, so they we are used to wearing everyday clothes to school. New continue that when we are in University.
I spent semester in a Spain while I was in university, and we dress much more casually overall than the people I met in Spain(and presumably other parts of Europe.
ultrasbooksandcats@reddit
I find it so weird how no matter what we do in regards to formality it’s wrong. Dress comfy because I’m here to learn? Wrong. Treat my professor with respect and call them but a professional title? Somehow also wrong.
CuppaJoe11@reddit
I dont think OP is implying its wrong. They are just pointing out the differences between countries, and asking if there is an underlying reason for it. I for one have found this thread super interesting.
Teknicsrx7@reddit
That’s the difference between being judged and being hated. When we’re wrong no matter what, it’s cause they hate us.
BreezyMcWeasel@reddit
It varies. I wore comfortable clothes, but not gym clothes or sweatpants to classes. That's way too casual for my tastes.
Usually jeans and some kind of a casual shirt for me
JustTheBeerLight@reddit
We are a lazy people.
quothe_the_maven@reddit
Law students don’t dress like regular college students. For one thing, a lot of them are coming from or going to legal jobs when not in class.
BelleMakaiHawaii@reddit
Because they want to
Hammer_of_Shawn@reddit
It’s weird to many Americans why dress is so important to other cultures. Obviously there are things that you’re expected to dress “nice” for, but for something like school, we think dressing in whatever you’re comfortable in is more important. It’s a long day, so wear whatever you’re comfortable in. If you’re comfortable in “gym clothes,” cool. Wear those. If you’d rather wear nice clothes and are comfortable in them, cool. Wear those.
Opening-Ad-2769@reddit
People used to dress to go on airplanes. I think most Americans just gave up on more formal types of dress unless it's a special occasion like a wedding or legal court.
Over time cultural norms relaxed and we just collectively agreed on dressing more casually.
When I first started work back in the 90s it was already business casual. Now? Depending on the industry it's really casual.
Far-Firefighter6385@reddit
In the U.S. it’s just better to dress comfortably. Especially to school. Can’t really focus looking like a fashion model… that’s uncomfortable
SignificantTransient@reddit
If I am paying a school big bucks to attend, I am gonna dress however I want.
Barutano74@reddit
The cultural revolution in the U.S. known as “the 60s” (which ran roughly 1964-72) rapidly made dress more casual. Men stopped wearing hats, etc. this set a new baseline and dress has slowly gotten more casual since then.
My dad went to university in the US in the early 60s. There, as in high school in Latin America, he dressed distinctly formally by modern standards, in things like sports coats and ties. By the time my mom graduated (and my dad finished grad school) in the late 60s, this had changed considerably.
Plenty_Adeptness7631@reddit
For work I visit college campuses everyday, I don’t think it is worse than it was 20 years ago when I was in school. One difference is the athletic clothes the girls wear, but I think that’s just because when I was in school it was all black yoga pants.
That being said, may children in the US aren’t really prepared for adult life at all when they go to college. Most kids in my dorm didn’t know how to do laundry when they moved in. College is just a bunch of kids who get dropped off and they have to fend for themselves when it comes to dressing themselves. Cooking - no go to the cafeteria. Cleaning - no a custodians come clean the bathrooms and common rooms. Kids also keep late hours, and no one is there to wake them up, so when you see them at 11:30 they may have just woke up late and ran to class. It’s not surprising that gym shorts, or even Pajama pants are common for the boys. Add alcoholism (branded as college fun) to the mix and that’s what you get.
Also, look at how adults dress at the airport, this country is full of slobs.
spicyredacted@reddit
It's super hot where I live and you often have to walk outside to get to your classes. It is normal to wear a t shirt and jeans or shorts.
Repulsive-Media1571@reddit
How casual Americans dress also depends on the region of the country as well as the industry. I work at a university in the western part of the US and it is not unusual to see full professors dress in jeans or other casual clothes. It can be difficult to tell the difference between young professors or graduate students. I do see a difference between the natural sciences, where it is quite casual, and business or engineering, where professors tend to dress more professionally.
Sea-Bill78@reddit
Comfort over appearances.
Feature_Professional@reddit
Americans show status with their cars not fancy clothing.
brinns_way@reddit
College is expensive. I wasn't buying dress up clothes to wear to class.
MeTieDoughtyWalker@reddit
At my college people wore pajamas and slippers to class.
patty202@reddit
Since some wear pajamas to the grocery store or out to eat. Casual is good.
nemc222@reddit
There are some that expect more. A friends son was in a prestigious Masters program and they had to wear a jacket and tie to class. But that is not the norm.
AdGold205@reddit
Universities in Southern States from Florida to California have to deal with heat. Some with high humidity others with extreme temperatures.
Nobody has time for pants. Let alone, more business or formal wear.
I frequently tell my kids it’s too hot for fashion.
Ericameria@reddit
What’s the reason for not dressing casually?
margheritinka@reddit
I’m American and had traveled to Moscow about 15 years ago. Many Muscovites I met had spent time in NYC (where I live). One young guy I spoke to thought it was very cool how Americans dress so casual. Like girls at NYU going to school in basically pajamas and still look hot versus Russian girls and women who try very hard.
Doesn’t explain why but another observation. I think Americans in general have less of a code than Europeans. I find Europeans to be very liberated in some ways but very rigid in others. We don’t have as much social rigidity here.
Ok-Possibility-9826@reddit
It’s really not until graduate school that formal dress is a thing, tbh.
BulkyTiger8706@reddit
US campuses are built around comfort and individuality, not formality, so unless there’s a specific requirement people just dress for convenience since classes, gym, and daily life all blend together.
science_scavenger@reddit
I'll add to this as I was around when the transition really happened in the workplace. It had to do with tech taking over the jobs in the US. Somewhere around the late 90s early 2000s, there was a lot of professionals that still wore suits or dressed nice. You maybe had a little bit of business casual. BUT the early programmers absolutely would not dress up. Some of this was because they were locked in a closet all the time writing code and a suit is terrible after 12 hours of work, and if your not customer facing how would anyone know how you dressed.
Later it evolved into a a corporate status symbol. Companies that required a dress code were seen as not tech forward, they had older bosses that were stuck in their ways and would not adopt new tech. So you would job hunt by finding businesses that would let the employees dress casually (as that meant they took tech more seriously).
This slowly became a full status symbol for the whole corporate world and permeated the rest of society.
ThePolishSpy@reddit
Dressing formallyn is effort and we're already beaten down and lost our spark by American capitalism
False-Cookie3379@reddit
To add what everyone has said. It’s regional as well, where I live its much more causal than the east or west coasts.
Alert-Painting1164@reddit
People in my Prague office dress more casually than people in my Chicago office
tinfoilhattie@reddit
Personally, I consider the notion that it's necessary to dress formally for education as a classist and elitist attempt to bar the poor and "undesirable" from receiving an education and to excuse treating them disrespectfully.
Education should not be limited to those who are able to afford rich finery. Someone spending their money on their education shouldn't be judged because they don't have the means or inclination to spend their money on fancier clothing.
IanDOsmond@reddit
It is hard to find an American wearing formal clothes, period.
TKDrake@reddit
You have gym class in law school?
BAMspek@reddit
A classroom is not a courtroom. That’s pretty much the beginning, middle, and end of it.
Tx2PNW2Tx@reddit
My fiance is a Dentist and any day they didnt wear scrubs they had to wear suits to class at his Dental School. For all the schooling he had to do before Dental School he dressed casual though.
wittyrepartees@reddit
I mean, a lot of those students don't own any business casual clothing. They're just wearing what they own. It's what they wore to high school too. It's just what Americans wear.
PQRVWXZ-@reddit
Casual sounds pretty formal. Usually we wear pjs and workout clothes.
PhotosFromEarth@reddit
We actually pay for our education so the way I see it when I am at school I am a customer. You don't force the customer to dress a certain way, and I don't want to dress up all nice unless I really feel like it. I am sort of an anomaly I think because a couple times a week I'll go to work in a button down and pants even when it's blazing hot outside, but that's just me, nobody else is doing that. Either way yeah, for school you aren't really proving yourself and have to look your best, you're paying to get a diploma and happen to have to sit in class for it. You might pretend like you are the one in charge of getting that degree, and wear a nice clothes to your graduation and show everyone that "you did it", but let's be real the truth is you are now drowning in student loan debt and in this economy probably still struggling to find a job.
So it's not a surprise that you don't want to tie a tie every morning, even if you don't realize it.
mvislandgirl@reddit
We pay huge (as a family team) $ for our 3 daughters to be in college, there’s nothing left for clothes so they happily wear Walmart sweatpants and thrift store finds to class. And to their jobs. Hubby and I are fine wearing what we get out of the thrift store as well so we can help pay their way.
goblin_hipster@reddit
Oh, it's because there are no social consequences for dressing casually. Americans are also fiercely independent. I would bristle if you told me, a grown adult, that I can't wear a T-shirt at college. I'm paying so much money to be here. The clothes literally impact nothing.
This-Reindeer6063@reddit
I went to private schools growing up. Dress codes and everything. So, the second I went to college and could wear whatever I want, I did. It's school, not a job or a professional setting, why shouldn't we be able to wear whatever.
Alarming-Substance82@reddit
Are there any universities/ colleges in the US with dress code? I feel like most people here wouldn’t consider being a student as being in a formal or professional environment. Same thing with going to the bank. I’m not applying for a loan or conducting business. I’m cashing a check.
Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
So Europe is a country now? Or do you just mean your country, and use Europe in the collective way that always gets us treated like we’re stupid?
Elixabef@reddit
I’ve studied at a couple of American universities and a couple of European universities; all were pretty casual. No dress codes at any.
My mom knew one guy who wore a suit every day in law school; everyone thought he was a pompous asshole (which was and is true of him).
473713@reddit
Casual clothing is cheaper than business clothing. Many students have gone in debt to pay for their educations, and will be paying for a long time. The last thing they need is the added expense of costly clothing for no good reason. Nobody cares how you dress on campus -- everybody's in the same situation.
Unusual-Material9443@reddit
I 've lived in a collage town and seen girls in college in shorty shorts and tube tops, even seen some, male and female come shoeless.
ccooffee@reddit
We've become a very casual country in terms of dress (not just students, but in all areas). It wasn't always the case though. If you look at old photos from the US in the 1930s-50s, dress was more formal, even in casual settings. I think things started loosening up in the 60s and it has just snowballed from there.
Equivalent-Speed-631@reddit
I have some pictures that were taken on our family farm when they were butchering hogs. Probably around 1930s/1940s. The men are all wear suits.
phantomofsolace@reddit
I'd counter with the question: "what is the reason to dress so formal in a non-professional learning environment?"
I can understand why you'd find it uncomfortable to walk into a classroom dressed casually if you're used to dressing more formally. I'd also find it uncomfortable and stressful to have to dress formally for school since I'm used to the opposite, but I'm sure I'd adjust after a few weeks once I got used to it. You would too.
For the record, I haven't seen every classroom but when I was in grad school, even in business school, the most casual it would get is t shirt and jeans and it would usually be a bit more dressed up than that. People were rarely showing up in gym clothes.
Maximum-Seaweed-1239@reddit
Americans dress casually in general and if there’s anyone who’s gonna take advantage of that it’s a college kid who may or may not be hungover at a morning class.
AmerikanerinTX@reddit
If the entire history of the earth was a 24 hour clock, modern humans would appear in the last 5 seconds - and your life, if lived fully, is but only 0.0014 seconds of that.
Life is WAYYYY too short to be uncomfortable or worry how others will see you.
biggamax@reddit
Because we're slobs and our dressing sense doesnt hold a candle to those of Europeans'.
Important-Farmer2145@reddit
If I’m paying to be there I shouldn’t have to dress up
Sea_Life_5909@reddit
You should see one of our senators
12B88M@reddit
Does wearing more formal clothes make you learn better? Or does it just make you less comfortable?
When I was in college I would typically wear jeans and a T-shirt. If it was a warm fall or spring day, then the jeans were replaced by shorts.
Why the casual clothing?
Because it made sense to dress for the weather instead of some professor's silly ideas about fashion.
Available-Egg-2380@reddit
I mean the cultural reason is the culture, we dress casually unless it is for a formal event or mandatory dress code. Our culture was built on working class, farmers, and pioneers. You put on your Sunday best on Sunday, go to church, and then go back home and get into proper clothes that let you live life 🤷
frufruJ@reddit
I'm also Czech, I studied at the Faculty of Arts, but we would go to the Faculty of Law for coffee. It's just that the law students here are so pretentious. You could tell if a person was a law student or arts student just by how they look.
pawsplay36@reddit
In the last sixty years, the USA has become less formal in general.
Numerous_Delay_6306@reddit
all we need is comfort
YoungestSon62@reddit
For many years, college students knew that when they entered the workforce they’d e required to dress in business attire. For their years in college they tended to dress much more casually and expressively while they still could.
That was a long time ago however, and as the working world has become more casual, young people have become even more so.
FIRElifeRVA@reddit
I was just in Czech Republic (Brno) just a couple of weeks ago and the college students there seemed to be dressed just as casually as the ones in the U.S. As for why students in the U.S. dress this way, it's simply for comfort and convenience. A lot of students pull all-nighters and are literally wearing what they're lounging around in from the night before. There's no need to look fancy when you're just going to lecture halls or the cafeteria.
Careless_Economics74@reddit
We wear what is comfortable. When I was in college I didn't care about what I wore. Just that it was clean and not raggy looking.
guiltywaffles@reddit
I am Austrian, and almost everyone dresses casually at uni here.
kmokell15@reddit
I think it’s something where the standard is also established by most of the professors also dressing casually. One of my professors wore Hawaiian shirts every single class.
Mission-Discipline32@reddit
I, an american, only dress if up if someone specifies that I should. If no one tells me to dress up, then im wearing t-shirt+shorts/jeans
sluttyforkarma@reddit
It’s hot
ColdNotion@reddit
I’ll do my best to answer, based in large part on this excellent interview with a historian who actually wrote about this specific topic. At the start, American college fashion was very similarly formal to, and often copied directly from, that of its European counterparts. In the early 20th century, that began to change, both as young students tried to form a style separate from their parents, and due to quirks of the American university system of the time. Our colleges placed a greater emphasis on physical activity and were often built on much larger campuses than their European peers, requiring more walking to get from place to place. As a result, athletic dress was not only rebellious, it was practical. Now this was still athletic wear appropriate for the upper class, like sports jackets and less structured dresses, but it was an initial step towards casualness.
The next big shift came in the late 40’s and early 50’s, with the explosion of the American middle class in the post-war period. Fueled in part by laws like the GI Bill, which pays tuition for veterans, middle class students rapidly became a majority in universities, which had previously been the domain of the upper class. These middle class students brought their fashion sense with them: practical, casual, and affordable. This combined with the existing sporty college fashion culture to create a style that was intentionally laid back. Building on the, the counterculture movements of the 60’s and 70’s (like the hippies) were most prominent on college campuses, influencing fashion with their intentional rejection of formality.
Adding my own thoughts now, it’s also important to consider how taboo class is in American culture. Broadly speaking, American culture values economic success, but despises nepotism and hereditary class. Dressing formally when you don’t need to in the US can give the impression you’re trying to broadcast being high class, or worse yet trying to imply you’re better than your peers due to your class. In most situations, us Americans tend to default to dressing casually when able to, as opposed to dressing up when it may be required. This is heavily connected to the rise of athleisure fashion in the US, which has deep historic roots way too complicated to get into here (although I highly recommend the Articles of Interest podcast, which just did a whole season on the topic). When combined, this has led to collegiate fashion norms that emphasize looking casual and unbothered over dressing up.
Ok-Concert-6475@reddit
I graduated 25 years ago from a public university. My professors dressed casually ad well. In my department, most professors wore jeans coupled with a dress shirt/blouse and possibly a jacket. Some were a bit more formal that that, but that was the standard.
Number-2-Sis@reddit
Because we don't have a stick up our A**!!
knickerdick@reddit
If you show up to class in a 3 piece suit everyday for class imma think you’re mentally unstable tbh
Standard-Outcome9881@reddit
The last funeral I was some of the people showed up in blue jeans and sweatpants.
FalseBuddha@reddit
What university has gym class?
bloontsmooker@reddit
Law students generally dress up in the US as well
ericbythebay@reddit
Why would I dress up for a place I am paying to be?
ShesGotaChicken2Ride@reddit
We basically dress casual for everything EXCEPT for a few occasions or professions. Weddings, funerals, court proceedings, or going to a really expensive restaurant we would dress up, as would professionals like an attorney or a high level banker would wear a suit to work.
HRDBMW@reddit
School is VERY expensive in the US. And students have little or no help from the government for food, housing, etc. Buying nice clothing is a luxury most can't afford.
Puzzled-Bench2805@reddit
Because we aren’t fucking dweebs
beepbeepboop74656@reddit
The us does not have many dress codes. You can wear what you want most places, but it doesn’t always mean you should
Ok-Walk-8040@reddit
For comfort. It’s very uncomfortable to wear formal clothing to school everyday. Women would have to walk to class in heels. The US has more variance in weather. It can get very hot in the spring/fall and very cold in the winter.
WafflePeak@reddit
I’d say that most Americans dress very formally as kids and don’t typically have any expectation to dress nicely until they enter the working world, and even that’s going away.
7GrenciaMars@reddit
Students often don't want to be stressed about how they're dressed so they can save their energy for other pursuits (studying being one of them). Dressed up clothing is often uncomfortable clothing. If your clothes distract from your learning process, then it makes more sense not to dress up.
Now, that said, for some people formal attire will cause them to focus better, in which case it makes perfect sense. But these students will have to spend all their working years in suits/formal attire. If they don't want to at school, then I don't think that's as important as them doing well in their classes.
TheOneWes@reddit
Because higher education is a service that we pay for.
We're not both shelling out easily tens a thousands of dollars and being uncomfortable there's just no point
allochthonous_debris@reddit
US fashion has prioritized comfort and utility to a greater degree than European fashion since the 1920s. If you compare the American, British, and Italian cuts for men's suits that were standardized by the early to mid-20th century, you will notice that the American cut is less structured and roomier, affording the wearer a greater range of motion.
Another factor was the counterculture movement of the 1960s and early 1970s, which rejected traditional formal clothing as symbols of conformity and materialism. It resulted in a shift in student fashion from formal and semi-formal attire to casual clothing, bringing an end to university dress codes.
AbilityAdventurous22@reddit
For comfort. It’s just school I have no reason to dress up to just sit there
peesoutside@reddit
Wait until you see a US Airport.
PseudoCalamari@reddit
I think you should instead ask what the point is of dressing professionally at school?
Maybe its because im american, but I need a reason to dress beyond casual-nice
brain_over_body@reddit
I went to a public high school that had a very strict dress code. My first week of university, I left for class wearing sandals. I almost had a panic attack halfway to class. MY SHOES DIDN'T HAVE BACKS OR CLOSED TOES, I'M GOING TO GET TOSSED OUT OF CLASS. I almost ran back to change. Had to STRONGLY remind myself that no one in university cares about my footwear.
mdavis360@reddit
I’m not going to school to try to impress you. I’m going to learn.
salbrown@reddit
Most universities have no dress code so people just kind of wear what they want. If you want to dress up you can, if you want to wear pajamas you can do that too. There’s a much more casual culture in the US around dress code generally. I’m not exactly sure why that is, but it’s a common observation from both sides.
I guess the answer to your question is that the mindset is just different. People don’t feel weird wearing gym clothes around campus because the assumption is that no one cares.
CompetitionSad5077@reddit
IMO its because dressing up is trying too hard, and there's a cultural stigma against it. Try hards, sweats, etc. There's an overall culture discouraging being authentic IMO
ImpatientMaker@reddit
I definitely think it's cultural. I'm America you can be both smart and cavalier. As long as you're not an ass. I worked in England for about 6 weeks, doing tech support for a database company and we had to wear suits. And the boss was previously a head master at a school. I felt like it didn't matter how good of a job you did as long as you looked the part and showed up on time.
Bubbly_Following7930@reddit
Why dress up?
small-gestures@reddit
We don’t consider students adults so we allow for them to dress more like children.
allthingsme@reddit
As an Australian you're right to point out how badly Americans dress. I really don't care about how formal it is, but wear a plain tshirt that actually fits, not some too big or too small one with some ugly logo on the front
WorkerAmbitious2072@reddit
Wait you have gym at university? As a course?
FrankDrebinOnReddit@reddit
That's not crazy in the US, either. Not done at most schools, but famously required at MIT, including a swim test.
PaddingCompression@reddit
Famously MIT also has the pirate certificate, if you take gym classes in archery, sailing, fencing, and shooting.
Imagine putting on your resume that you're an MIT certified pirate.
atomfullerene@reddit
I feel like they should have included peer to peer filesharing as well
holymacaroley@reddit
Yes. Most Bachelors degrees are liberal arts degrees where 1/4-1/3 or so of classes are required to be from multiple different disciplines. I had to take 2 semesters of a simple phys ed course. For my theatre degree, one had to be either a dance class or fencing (because of stage combat).
vashtachordata@reddit
Now I’m wondering if I had to take a PE class and just forgot about it. I did take yoga, but I’m pretty sure that wasn’t required. I went to a researched based school, not liberal arts, don’t know if that makes a difference? I did have to take a lot of general education classes too so maybe I’m just misremembering.
hopping_hessian@reddit
I somehow missed that with my BLAS.
AcanthisittaWhole216@reddit
Gym wasn’t a required course for me but my school had one of the fanciest gyms in the city at the time and students got to use the gym for free. I regretted not taking full advantage of that. We had pools, lazy river, rock climbing, racket ball courts etc… those were the good old days
reyadeyat@reddit
I was required to take three physical education courses at my (American) college!
Background_Humor5838@reddit
Me too
HerCacklingStump@reddit
Same! But you could take a test at first year orientation to pass out of the gym requirement.
bananapanqueques@reddit
Same.
On_my_last_spoon@reddit
Yup. Some do. PE can be waived for certain majors like Dance and theater who are active enough!
shelwood46@reddit
We did have gym-style electives (I remember kayaking was one), and courses for people going into sports medicine, but it was only for undergrads, and I would have been shocked to see someone doing pre-law let alone law taking that instead of stuff more pertinent. The only people who wore business suits to class, though were business majors, who were often taking classes between/before/after their actual jobs that required them to wear suits.
Aggravating_Bend_622@reddit
Maybe start by explaining why you need to dress fornally to university?
When you have Tech CEOs wearing tshirts to work and public presentations in the US, it isn't really hard to figure out that they are relaxed about things like that.
libananahammock@reddit
Who cares it’s all just fabric.
baconator_out@reddit
At my law school, we definitely had folks come in wearing essentially business casual to class (which is the default business apparel even at law firms now unless you're in court--unless it's dropped all the way to smart casual like my firm).
But we also had plenty of people like me who wore T-shirts and casual shorts with flip flops. Who cares what people wear. I wanted to be comfortable and best able to absorb information without the distraction of a tight belt or itchy shirt tag. I also didn't want people to think that I took myself too seriously, because casual/approachable is who I am as a person regardless of whether I'm studying to become some high-falutin professional somebody. Will I go to the grimy bar with you and your friends immediately after class? You bet your ass I will!
jessek@reddit
Been a thing since 1960s.
PurpleLilyEsq@reddit
I’m a lawyer who basically lived in yoga pants and hoodies in law school. I was there all day most days (often leaving the library at midnight), carrying lots of books back and forth from my apartment, so I prioritized comfort above all else.
OrganizationSouth481@reddit
I’d rather be comfortable in a learning environment. There are definitely times to dress formal. But an average day, what matters is learning and scoring well. How I dress has nothing to Do with that.
And for me specifically. Most of the time I was going to school directly from work so I’d have to shove an outfit into my backpack and change in the work bathroom. That doesn’t mesh with formal wear.
laurcone@reddit
Unless its a certain event, Id prefer to dress comfortably. We're stressed enough over here.
OnasoapboX41@reddit
Because almost no one else does, and I do not want to dress up if no one else is. Granted, there is always that one kid in high school who wears a full suit everyday, and there are those people that do even in college.
Highway49@reddit
The first year of law school was class Monday-Friday, 4 different classes per week, plus all the lunch time events you could handle. Most students studied everyday, and many students went out multiple times per week.
I struggled to get my laundry done every week, let alone ironed or took my suits to the cleaners. I basically wore a jeans and polo everyday. It's basically academic bootcamp, and nobody cares what your wear while the professor ~~hazes you~~ implements the socratic method.
forceghost187@reddit
We had a cultural revolution in the 60s that was heavily influential on college lifestyle. I know Europe had some of that too, but maybe it was bigger and/or had more lasting effects at American Universities
StoneyLaw830@reddit
Because we pay an exorbitant amount in tuition for college and graduate schools, so if I’m paying the equivalent of a house, I should at least be comfortable.
schonleben@reddit
Is on-campus housing prevalent there? At least at my university in 2008-2012, since 90% of the student body lived on campus in dorms or apartments, there was a tendency to treat the entire campus like an extended living room. I do think things have gotten more casual since then as I never really saw people wearing proper pajamas to class, sweatpants and tank tops were still relatively common. I usually made some sort of an effort to look moderately fashionable or at least presentable unless I rolled out of bed 10 minutes before an 8:00 class, and business students tended to wear shirts and ties a lot of the time, so there was a fairly wide range.
Mayor_of_BBQ@reddit
one of my favorite things about the school i went to was the requirement for ‘professional attire’ to class
Dave_A480@reddit
Because we dress the same way going to work, even for 200k/yr+ jobs...
At least on the west coast, in tech....
Ok-Equivalent8260@reddit
It’s a very casual country
i-am-garth@reddit
We prefer substance over style.
Zama202@reddit
Mostly, this is just an extension of the manner in which High School students dress, which is often pajamas.
One-Laugh8137@reddit
I’m not American but I went to graduate school in the US. I get what you mean. College students in the US usually dress casually for class, like comfortable clothes with the school logo. However, they put a lot of effort to dress up for career fairs and fraternity or sorority activities. In my country, we have to wear school uniforms from primary school through high school, so by the time we get to college, we really want to dress up and look more mature and fashionable. I guess American students value comfortableness more in daily life and only dress up for special occasions.
Square-Lake-9651@reddit
Why would you feel awkward showing up to the gym in gym clothes? Do you want to workout in your nice clothes? Seems uncomfortable.
rinky79@reddit
What's the point of wearing uncomfortable clothes to class? I'm gonna wear the most comfortable clothes I can get away with because nobody who matters, cares.
Ok_Entrepreneur_8509@reddit
You have gym class in college?
PhysicsEagle@reddit
Fashion in the US, outside of rather specific fields like law, has become increasingly casual. The neck-tie is almost extinct in many offices. I was considered weirdly formal because I wore polo-style collared shirts to class instead of t-shirts.
depressed_crustacean@reddit
I wore a polo shirt to class once and a guy told me it was quote “a dapper ass shirt bro”
PrimaryHighlight5617@reddit
We are paying their salary. We aren't getting graded on clothes
voyracious@reddit
In the U.S., large numbers of university students live on campus in dorms so they aren't going far when they go to class and it feels like home. In addition, in the U.S., I think there is something of an anti-upper class reaction to dressing up.
Just think of the current culture of anti-intellectualism in our government.
Maronita2025@reddit
The better question is why are Czech Republic students so stuffy!
MilkChocolate21@reddit
There isn't one answer. Med students will wear scrubs when appropriate, but when they get to patient facing segments of their education in clinic, they wear nicer clothes under their white coats (so for example, a male medical student would wear a shirt and tie under their white coat in a clinical setting). In business school, there are days when you wear formal business attire and days you do not. On "off days", people wear what they want. On days when you interview, meet company reps at official events, or present, you wear business attire. I have done both of those programs, although med school in the early 00s so maybe there is a different answer.
DynamiteStorm@reddit
The first 4 years yeah anything goes but for the second 4years We had a dress code for graduate school.
OldRaj@reddit
Our college kids dress like they have the flu and should be at home resting. It makes no sense to us. My wife and I don’t like it at all. No explanation.
Additional_Gate3629@reddit
As an older person (50s) i'm convinced it's fast fashion.
I pretty much live in leisure wear now because it's comfortable, 100% cotton and relatively inexpensive. Other clothes are made of synthetic fibers and when one can find natural fibers they're boxy ill fitting ugly clothes. None of it is well made and much of it falls apart quickly after a couple of washes even when expensive. There just isn't much incentive to dress nicer.
TheMuskyHairbrush@reddit
One reason I can think of is cost. University here is EXPENSIVE, especially in comparison to other countries. We pay for the ability to be students, so why dress up? It’s a service we pay for in addition to being a spot we earned somewhere. If I have to pay that kind of tuition I’ll wear whatever I want to.
PastNefariousness188@reddit
We're a casual country everywhere.
Arleare13@reddit
See, when I was in law school, I’d have felt very awkward going to classes dressed formally. It was definitely a thing up through probably the mid-20th Century, but not these days.
I don’t know if there’s any identifiable reason for the difference other than that just how the culture developed here.
Traditional_Can_3983@reddit
In the case of law school it's really aparrent. You're going to be wearing hot and stuffy formal wear for the rest of your career. Why start early?
Arleare13@reddit
That’s actually something that’s changed quite a bit post-COVID. I used to wear a dress shirt and tie at minimum to work every day; now it’s much less formal. Still not quite jeans and sneakers, but I don’t think I’ve worn a tie to work on any day when I don’t have a court appearance in four years.
Constellation-88@reddit
As long as your clothes are clean and covering all your parts, I don’t care what you wear. Being needlessly formal is antiquated and superficial in my opinion.
kbivs@reddit
Agreed
HectorsMascara@reddit
You'd feel awkward wearing gym clothes in the building that holds gym class? Why would you force yourself to live so impractically?
dontforgettowriteme@reddit
As an American, I had a similar culture shock my freshman year of college.
I didn't dress up in high school but I wore jeans, skirts, and dresses. I dressed that way in college, too, and never fully got on board the athletic wear train.
It really depends on the campus and the students.
Fuzzy_Station3342@reddit
For me, I like to dress up but if i’m spiraling and burnt tf out, having to dress up bc it’s culturally entrained in my society would push me over the edge fr. it’s so nice sometimes to just be able to go out in sweats and no one look down on me
wolfpack_57@reddit
In America, college is less regimented than High school. For example, attendance is counted, enforced in HS separately from grades but in college it’s part of your grade or not at all. High schools have dress codes, but they’re largely based around modesty and not formality. In college, there’s no enforcement at all and no real expectation either.
Note 1: much of the trendy leisurewear is quite expensive. For example, Parke hoodies are about $140. Wearers are therefore making a statement of wealth if not stylistic rigor.
Note 2: The strongest dress code in colleges in probably for fraternity pledges, who are required to wear (often ill-fitting) suits to class until they reach the status of brother.
Aware-Owl4346@reddit
Many reasons.
We’re there to learn. The results matter, not our appearance.
Its comfortable.
In America, individuality often projects an air of creativity and intelligence. And there is a little rebellion in our attitude; “I don’t need to wear a uniform just so you can take me seriously.”
MuppetManiac@reddit
It’s the norm for most Americans to wear casual clothing most places.
PickleMundane6514@reddit
I guess it starts in lower school where only the strictest private schools have uniforms. People can wear whatever they want so they just wear what is either comfortable or fashionable. The US work environment is also a lot less formal than Europe, but much more formal than university students would dress. Many people wear blue jeans to work on Fridays. Very few jobs require a full suit as an everyday uniform these days.
kbivs@reddit
I work in an office environment and wear jeans, stretchy pants, sneakers, etc on the regular.
lowfreq33@reddit
Because it doesn’t matter and nobody gives a shit.
Angsty_Potatos@reddit
Tired
Kein-Deutsc@reddit
Just how it is. At my university even the professors are super casual. They tend to dress professionally but not as a rule. Some will show up in a blazer but at the same time wearing crocks.
Also most professors at my school either allow or insist that you refer to them by the first name. I’ve had a number of professors specifically request that we do not call them Doctor.
goPACK17@reddit
If I got an 8am class, I'm sure as shit not waking up at 7am and putting on my sunday best. I can imagine this is even more so the case when their standard of "looking nice" takes twice as long.
EmmalouEsq@reddit
I studied law (which is a professional degree after undergrad) and my year 2 most of us wore suits or at least business casual just because we were starting to work in firms.
University is there for learning. It's not a fashion show.
Goodbykyle@reddit
USA & especially CA we are very casual in most places ….where i live (beach) its even more so…. it seems everybody dresses more for comfort than for looks, which is self included.
yellowdaisycoffee@reddit
American culture is fairly casual, just in general, though admittedly, it has gotten even more casual with each passing decade. Some people (like me) might say we are too casual now.
Personally, I think wearing casual clothes (e.g. jeans, T-shirt, sneakers) is perfectly fine. Call me old-fashioned, but I am not crazy about people showing up to class in pajamas and sweats.
Tron_35@reddit
Why are you so formal? Why do you need to dress up to go to class?
Cool-Coffee-8949@reddit
Whatever US standards for professional or semi-professional dress that remained collapsed during Covid, even for faculty. But for student dress, things became very casual (maybe not lounge or gym casual, but blue jeans and untucked shirts casual) decades ago. To some extent this was true even for professors.
YouWillHaveThat@reddit
Comfort and convenience.
Also remember that students are customers at US universities. It kinda kills the prestige of it all.
That professor isn’t some revered academic whose noble pursuit is to educate the next generation of Americans.
He’s just some guy I’m paying to teach me math.
JayRandom212@reddit
We dress casually because we have to PAY for college. And we have to pay a lot! We are customers, not supplicants.
gangofone978@reddit
Students at the more prestigious schools and as postgrads/professional students used to dress more formally probably about 70 years ago, but in the 1960s (when the baby boomers were young) the culture became less formal.
There was really no going back at that point.
Also, to be fair, our professors don’t necessarily wear suits anymore either. Even in law school I had a professor who would wear a suit (an older guy) and another who would wear a sweater and jeans.
filkerdave@reddit
Why dress up when there's no need to?
Sp00mp@reddit
That's the trade-off we negotiated in exchange for honor of paying $50,000/year
Old_Hippo_5946@reddit
Formal dress isn't really a thing in the US school system unless it's a uniform or strict dress code for exclusive, private academies. Universities tend to be even less restrictive since attendees are assumed to be of legal age. Even Ivy League institutions like Yale and Harvard are pretty lax. We tend to see university years as the last stage of adolescence if that makes any sense.
Alternative-Being181@reddit
People dress casually in general. However, lawyers (not law students) will dress formally when meeting clients and when in court.
Slight_Manufacturer6@reddit
Funny as there was a post recently asking why American hospitals and schools are so formal calling people by their title and last name and then we have the other end of the spectrum asking why we don’t wear dress close to school.
I guess to answer your question, people just wear normal close because no one ever made it a standard to dress up and people can learn better if they are comfortable.
I’d flip the question and ask what benefit does dressing up to go to school have? It seems like it would just add to the stress a typical student already has.
Still_Want_Mo@reddit
Congrats on having a stick up your ass, OP
FA-100@reddit
College is viewed as a very stressful time where no one knows what they're doing so you kinda just accept that anything goes. You eat weird garbage, your sleep schedule sucks, your social life is probably either chaotic or boring, and you're just trying to graduate. It's completely normal to go to class in gym clothes, or even pajamas, because the cultural sentiment is that we're all in that shit together and don't hold each other to very high standards.
memleyxx@reddit
Also, lots of college kids are broke.
Nofanta@reddit
It’s our culture. Formal dress is seen as old fashioned and not for young people outside of special occasions.
rels83@reddit
There’s always that one kid who wears a suit every day
TheBimpo@reddit
Clothing formalities loosened up in the cultural revolution of the 1960s. We haven’t looked back.
pyrrhicchaos@reddit
A lot of students have full-time jobs and are on very tight budgets.
Dressing nice isn’t a priority. They are exhausted and stressed and just trying to get through the day.
Additional_Gate3629@reddit
I think fast fashion has played a large role in this.
When i lived in a college town the students would go to the store in actual pajamas but otherwise wear things that are considered leisure wear. But fast fashion made ANY clothes that aren't leisure wear uncomfortable. You can see designs of button down shirts from the 80s compared today, the 80s shirts have room to move around while the ones of today are restrictive and unflattering on most people.
We also (rarely) go to a tailor or know how to tailor our own clothes.
mickeltee@reddit
The vast majority of my professors dressed more casually than I did so I didn’t see any reason to dress formally.
RosyClearwater@reddit
We like to be comfortable. There’s really no reason for students to get all dressed up for school. They are students. Maintaining a working wardrobe before you’re actually working is kind of silly. Also, many student students are in full-time school as well as working a job. They’re studying, they’re working, they’re attending classes… They have earned the right to wear a hoodie and some track pants.
On_my_last_spoon@reddit
Don’t ever walk into the theater building if you think most other students are casual!
MountainForge@reddit
Why do you dress up to go to school?
KrazySunshine@reddit
I’d hate dressing up in college and grad school. We just wore sweatpants, tee shirts, sweatshirts, and shorts when it was warm. Jeans were dressy to us
sorryimgay@reddit
Probably the same reason I called all of my design professors by their first name.
Funny story, one time a girl showed up to a math class on a random weekday wearing a beautiful dress (like literally ready for a formal gala). Once we all complemented her on her looks, we asked what event she was coming from/going to. She replied that she was simply out of normal clothes to wear; they were in the laundry bin.
Jeffers315@reddit
What do you consider formal/casual? I dressed nice in college in the 2010s, but it was still casual. Nice jeans, boots or sneakers, polos or button downs (not tucked in, I'm not a psycho), but I'd never wear a sport coat. Likewise, I didn't wear gym clothes or pajamas.
ChitownLovesYou@reddit
Who am I dressing up for?
theycallmethevault@reddit
They were lucky if I put on a real bra to attend classes in college. Pajamas, sports bra, slides or sneakers or rain boots (depended on the weather) for class. Hair was in a bun as high as it could go.
CG20370417@reddit
Americans--anecdotally of course--don't seem to appreciate their appearance as much as other cultures.
Despite the face-hammer-maxxing trend, and all the bucal fat removal and ozempic shit (notice none of that is working with what you naturally have, its all about changing your natural look or using pills/therapies to achieve looks that ostensibly require effort...with none.
Which isn't to say people don't spend a lot of money on tennis shoes and sweat pants. And that isn't to say that there aren't subcultures within the US where "looking sharp" isn't defined by wearing a suit.
Its odd, you'll see some late teen mussing up their broccoli top in the mirror...while they wear a ratty sweatshirt, pajama pants, and slides with socks.
Having lived across the US and outside of it. American dress--especially the more west you go, the hotter the climate and the younger the people the more casual people dress. Compare Tempe, AZ to Montauk, NY
Its genuinely shocking to go from LA to NYC to London in a short time span and seeing how the much more formal and "adult" the East Coast and Europe look as compared to the West coast of the US.
hugeyakmen@reddit
It shifted this way over time. When I was in college 20+ years ago, there were some people in pajamas in class but there was a sense that these people lacked self-respect or taste. This surely depended on where in the country a college is though
Since then the whole American culture has become more casual for people of all ages, and pajamas are common to see out in all kinds of public places.
My personal theory is that this shift has some connection to the American ideals of individualism, self-expression, and "you do you". If it's comfortable and you want to do it, American culture makes it rude for people to judge you for it and this gives people confidence to dress down (or up, or weird) if they want to
FiddleThruTheFlowers@reddit
Why do you dress up just to go to class?
At least when I was in college, most professors and TAs were also showing up to class in jeans and t shirts. You'd get the occasional one who dressed in business casual clothes, the same way there was the occasional student who liked to dress up for class. My major had one guy in my year who was known as suit guy because he liked showing up to class in a suit. Not a bad thing, but it definitely stood out. More than one professor made a comment about him dressing better than they do.
It's a cultural thing. School is an informal setting for most of us and we dress accordingly.
Fuzzy_Pomegranate190@reddit
americans dress casually everywhere
iowanaquarist@reddit
Why wouldn't you want to be comfortable? Especially when you spend 10+ hours a day on campus? Some days I spent 16-18 on campus.
Raibean@reddit
Universities in the US don’t have formal dress codes (unless they are religious).
Nice-Contest1499@reddit
Many American schools have dress codes for proms and that is unimaginable in Europe, both countries have their quirks.
holymacaroley@reddit
Why would we need to look so formal to study?
TrillyMike@reddit
Just tryna be cozy
Enchant23@reddit
Idk I've never viewed class as some "formal" worth dressing up for.
LifesARiver@reddit
I would assume for comfort. Why dress any other way?
WWGHIAFTC@reddit
I've never been in a situation where dressing overly formal made me a better person.
However! I believe that Americans dress far too casual, bordering inappropriate for public.
There is a difference between casual clothing, and athletic clothing or gym clothes or pajamas.
Ozone220@reddit
I don't know the reason exactly, but the US is generally trending and has been for decades towards the normalization of less and less formal wear in daily and educational settings. I'm in High School and a bunch of people come to class in pajama pants and a hoodie
No-Conversation1940@reddit
There are (or should be) notable exceptions: career fairs and employer events.
StinkButt9001@reddit
I went to my early morning classes in my pajamas. Who cares? Who would I be dressing up for?
0wlBear916@reddit
I’m paying (a lot) to be there. I’ll dress however the fuck I want.
FormerlyDK@reddit
It would seem strange to us to see people dress up when it’s rarely required here.
PM_ME_UR__SECRETS@reddit
Why would I not dress casually? I'm there to learn. Not look fancy.
usefulchickadee@reddit
Everyone dresses casually in the US. What's the reason czechs dress up to go to class? Are there any cultural or historical reasons for this being the norm?
einsteinGO@reddit
Lots of people live at school; so they are walking a short distance from home to class.
Also what is there to dress up for? Pants, shirt, sweatshirt, go learn something
LovingPeppy@reddit
Even within the U.S. there can be differences that are regional, cultural and/or generational. When I moved from the NE to the PNW, I found it odd for fellow teachers to be wearing baggy shorts and a t-shirt. It seemed rude to see people wearing jeans to the opera in Portland, OR.
WonderfulVariation93@reddit
Why would you want to be dressed up for school? 1) dressy clothes are more expensive and most students aren’t rolling in money 2) you are running to and from classes sometimes long distances between buildings and it is not exactly comfortable to go for a hike in a suit or high heels
Horror_Atmosphere_50@reddit
You’d fee awkward because your society and social norms tell you to feel awkward if you don’t meet a certain standard of appearance.
Not to say the US isn’t the same, but we are often a lot looser about social norms like that here. You’ll find cliques where they expect certain dress codes. Many professional fraternities expect suits/dresses/blouses/business casual.
Classes may also have a certain dresscode, like professional speaking, sales, or honestly most business classes. Outside of that it’s usually a non-judgemental approach to dress codes.
Sugah-mama21@reddit
All schooling dress is casual in the US.
No-Conversation1940@reddit
Sorry I didn't wear a suit to my C# class
BurritoDespot@reddit
You should see how we dress to go to Walmart.
LadyGreyIcedTea@reddit
I don't understand why one would dress up for college classes. When I was in college I mostly rolled out of bed 15 minutes before class started.
Raddatatta@reddit
We are focused on learning stuff and no one cares what you look like. So why dress up? But in general yeah colleges are one of the more casual environments.
Yeahboyeah@reddit
We have church to compare our fancy expensive clothing. This is something George Carlin pointed out.
TradeBeautiful42@reddit
American schools largely don’t have dress codes that are terribly restrictive unless they’re private schools. Even then, the uniform is generally only a collared shirt and khakis.
vcbouch@reddit
If I’m paying $100k to be there, then I’m going to wear whatever I’m most comfortable to learn and study in.
morosco@reddit
On average, U.S. law students dress a bit less casual than undergraduate students. There's no dress code, and some people were gym clothes, but, there will be more polo shirts and such in law school classes.
Ok-Energy-9785@reddit
Because it's comfortable. Whats the need to dress up for class?
Ok_Competition_669@reddit
Americans in general dress way more casually.
officerboba@reddit
I love my sweats and hoodies
ahkian@reddit
Americans in general tend to prefer casual clothing. Also some people in college try to wake up at late as possible and so wake up with just enough time to run to class and no time to change clothes.
garretmander@reddit
Pretty sir it's if you are in university, you are a student, aka a child still, and allowed ultra casual whatever you want.
College is treated as adulthood with training wheels for americans.
ajfoscu@reddit
Half these responses are from people currently in their PJs, OP. Short answer is, US culture is incredibly informal when it comes to fashion and comfort and convenience triumph over effort.
BabyDude5@reddit
Ain’t got nobody to look good for
AcanthisittaWhole216@reddit
I remember hoodies and sweatpants were the common outfits back in my days. The dorm was right across the street from the school so I didn’t feel the need to dress up.
Happy_Michigan@reddit
US students want to be comfortable, not wear suits. Or spend money on dress clothes and shoes.
Character-Twist-1409@reddit
Some places students dress up for class but idk maybe our dressy is your casual
Eric848448@reddit
Why not?
TNC-ME@reddit
Because when I pay that much for a semester of school I'll dress however the hell I want.
I always walked around school like I owned the place because I figured the money I was giving them entitled me to complete comfort at all times when I was there.
Dr_Watson349@reddit
The better question is why would you dress up to go to school?
WildmanDaGod@reddit
It’s just school, no reason to dress up for that