Rocket thingy, under Tu-22M3 belly
Posted by Bravob2@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 39 comments
Hi all! Does anyone know what is the missile lookalike thingy under this Tu-22M3 ? Couldn't find relevant infos on Google, maybe I didn't search with the corect terms idk Thanks!
Festivefire@reddit
It's a big ass liquid fueled anti-ship cruise missile that's designed to go at like mach 3+.
Back when the USSR was still a thing, they designed these to attack American carrier groups, the long range and high speed was to allow the launching aircraft to deploy them beyond the range of the carrier group's AA net, and the high speed would let them penetrate the defense zone fast enough to avoid getting shot down (hopefully).
Bravob2@reddit (OP)
Wow , that's interesting, didn't image those are Cold War era missiles... and still used today. Nice
DavieStBaconStan@reddit
Russians are using T-55 tanks in Ukraine. They entered service in 1948. Were put in boneyards decades ago.
Forsaken_Ad8252@reddit
Even the T-55 can easily destroy most of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' armored vehicles, excluding modern tanks. The D-10T2S cannon is a very good argument.
Dr__-__Beeper@reddit
Tanks last forever as long as you put a fresh drivetrain in them, and I have a good gun.
BillytheBloxian@reddit
as long as it works... sort of
Thebraincellisorange@reddit
F15 and F16 are cold war planes and they are still flown. so is the B1-B and the B52 is Korea.
missiles are pretty much the same.
they get updates to the tech and engines every now and again, but fleet/line equipment tends to be quite old tech in order to be reliable.
Festivefire@reddit
well TBH it's not any different than American using modernized versions of the tomahawk and the harpoon, and still flying the B-1, which are from the end of the cold war, and around the same time period as the KH-22 and the TU-22.
Compared to things like the tanks Russia is pulling out of storage that are from the 60's, this is nothing.
kazpaix@reddit
There is a scénario like that in Red Storm Rising book.
Festivefire@reddit
That scenario was very well written, and probably the only way the Russians could have actually successfully hit a CSG after the tomcat entered the fleet in large numbers.
Fun fact, that scene got Tom Clancy investigated by the FBI because his portrayal of the Aegis system was so close to actual naval doctrine.
Also, his portrayal of an F-19 stealth fighter got the Air Force and Lochead Martin in trouble, because they couldn't show the congressional oversight committee the real F-117 stealth aircraft without breaking Congress's own rules about classified programs, so they essentially just had to sit on the stand and get yelled at, unable to defend themselves.
sofixa11@reddit
Submarines silently laughing in the corner.
Okay, maybe not silently, but e.g. the Alfa class that could outrun American torpedoes could definitely penetrate the defences of a Carrier Strike Group. That or cruise salvos from submarines, or long range (including nuclear) torpedoes.
bedhed@reddit
I wouldn't bet money on that. An Alfa might be able to outrun a single torpedo - but in doing so, it's going to be screaming loud and deaf.
A single S3 was capable of carrying 4 torpedo's, while a P3 could carry 8 - so it's not just a question of outrunning the first, it's a question of outrunning one without turning into another.
Not to mention SUBROC, ASROC, and the handful of nuclear depth bombs deployed by a carrier strike group that are capable of killing anything they hear.
ReallyBigDeal@reddit
An Alpha can’t outrun a Mk 54 dropped in front of it.
Festivefire@reddit
a weapon that entered service in 2004 might be a bit modern for a discussion about late cold war naval tactics.
sofixa11@reddit
The 54 was developed as a cheaper alternative to the 50 that was developed to counter the Alfa.
Festivefire@reddit
The problem with outrunning a torpedo is that you generally have to turn away from the guy who shot it if you actually want to do this.
For the carrier group, pinning the alpha down is a mission win. For the alpha, if they are derected at any point before they're within range for a salvo of torpedoes the carrier won't simply be able to turn away from and run from untill theyre out of gas, this becomes a choice between giving up on torpedoing the carrier, or accepting that to do so, you will be killing yourself and your crew.
Personally, I don't rate the Alpha's chance of getting that close without being detected as very high, and I would rate the soviet cruise missile boats as a bigger risk to a carrier group than the alphas.
As far as the cruise missile launching boats, I think thst compared to air launched ASMs, a salvo of cruise missiles launched from submerged submarines against a carrier group that is in no way guaranteed to politely hold tbe same course and speed from when you leave port untill all your submarines are in position, there is a pretty big challenge in coordinating your strike to achieve sufficient volume, especially when we are talking about intercepting an American carrier group in the Atlantic, which is where they mostly would be, busy escorting troop and supply convoys from america to Eruope.
AbeFromanEast@reddit
You're right. The Charlie class and Oscar I & II classes launched similar cruise missiles in salvos. Before them there were diesel classes that did the same thing. Getting within 1,000 miles of any Soviet land targets with a carrier would have been hazardous.
AbeFromanEast@reddit
"Vampyre, Vampyre!"
whaddahellisthis@reddit
One time the Army patriot batteries were training and they got their wires crossed with the Navy. What I remember:
Got the “Vampire Vampire Vampire, inbound, minus 2 minutes” followed by the standard countdown
“brace for shock” & the chemical alarm (high pitched single tone).
Donned the MCU-2/P and waited it out.
Looking at a Senior Chief (who I respected a fuck ton but fought a lot with) when the alarm went off. We looked at each other like “well, this might be it… sucks we’re doing this together”. That happened specifically when the chemical alarm went off. Certain kind of helplessness that comes in moments like that.
Then they just called the whole thing off and life went on.
What I remember most to this day is it is the most sincerely I’ve ever locked eyes with anyone and I didn’t even him.
Either way MMCS Gruber I hope you had a wonderful life.
Dr__-__Beeper@reddit
It was the f-14s job was to intercept these planes, and from what I was told, if they can't shoot them down, they want make it so the plane can't launch its missiles from 30,000 ft, and then have the missile fly up to 80,000 ft, before it tips over on the target.
modelvillager@reddit
And the size of the p Phoenix missile (to counter the kh-22) is also why the F-14 is so big...
Longjumping_Gur_2379@reddit
does it count as an r/iswiped if there are no dots but an image number
i_am_a_dinguss@reddit
i wiped
who_you_callin_sir@reddit
I'm no expert but I would say it's probably a rocket thingy of some sort
Dd171049@reddit
Looks like one of their long-range apartment complex debris deployers.
Condurum@reddit
Russians are slamming these ones into civilian apartment blocks. They’re designed to go for the largest radar target (a carrier).
Pure terror.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serhiivka_missile_strike
masteroffdesaster@reddit
I'm sure they are concerned about NATO, but not in a way that they expect fighting a war against NATO. more like they see Poland and other countries wanting to/having joined NATO and are afraid that more countries see that the West is more successful than the russian system
ihatemondays117312@reddit
I wiped…
ThatCrazyEE@reddit
JaphetSkie@reddit
CoppeliusGER@reddit
Good, but a bidet would be even more hygienic.
jmswshr@reddit
kh-22
WesternBlueRanger@reddit
Or Kh-32. Basically same missile body, different, but upgraded guidance package and smaller warhead to improve range.
Afrogthatribbits@reddit
This one is a training variant of Kh-22 as indicated by the black band
Rustique@reddit
This guy Khsses
Afrogthatribbits@reddit
Black band specifically indicating it's a dummy training variant
Bravob2@reddit (OP)
Thanks!! Definitely stumbled onto it but didn't make the connection
Rammi_PL@reddit
Kh-22, mach 4+ anti ship and land attack missle
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