Feds charge man with supplying gun used in Louisiana shooting that killed 8 kids
Posted by sea_5455@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 61 comments
Posted by sea_5455@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 61 comments
sea_5455@reddit (OP)
The Shreveport shooting where a "father" killed 8 kids, 7 of his own, and was shot dead by the police used a .22-caliber Mossberg 715P long rifle.
Pistol was purchased by a woman who gave it to Charles Ford for safekeeping while she was in the hospital. Ford put it under his car seat. He goes to look for it, can't find it, then forgets about it for a month but not before realizing father of the year knew he had it under his seat.
Federal authorities arrested and charged Charles Ford, 56, with being a felon in possession of a firearm and making false statements in connection with the gun.
juggarjew@reddit
uh the woman who knowingly gave the felon a gun needs to be charged as well.
MrSt4pl3s@reddit
It was a fucking .22?! God damn that sure breaks the Narrative
PacoBedejo@reddit
"It's only 0.003 smaller!" - Some Idiot
Melkor7410@reddit
The narrative is completely wrong, on purpose. They know they can't ban handguns right now, so they go after "weapons of war." Remember, the VT shooting, the deadliest school shooting, was done with a Glock 19 and a 22LR pistol. Columbine was done during the federal AWB. The vast majority of gun deaths are from handguns.
Azaroth1991@reddit
Any bullet will kill with proper shot placement and these were kids. Shock and pain of a gut shot might be enough. Fucking terrible to think about.
alkatori@reddit
No it doesn't. The people concerned don't know the difference or care about calibers.
MrSt4pl3s@reddit
Are there currently any media claims about it being a high powered automatic high capacity war rifle currently? That’s mostly what it is with this shit. But the fact it was done with 10 rnds and a .22 is wild and it does break every single gun control narrative spun in the last 40 years or so since columbine…
SynthsNotAllowed@reddit
The article OP cited does says it's an assault pistol in the caption of the photo of the pistol
WmHerrin@reddit
The Mossberg model 715T is the "tactical rifle", the Mossberg 715P is the pistol version. While the article uses the term "long rifle", it should be applied to the caliber .22lr and not a description of the type of firearm used. It through me off also
wmtismykryptonite@reddit
They will simply say this proves more restrictions are needed.
MrSt4pl3s@reddit
You’re not wrong, because they will complain about facism in the same sentence as if 2A wasn’t written as the final government check…
alkatori@reddit
They make the same claims, with 10 rounds and a 22lr. :-(
Look at Virginia Tech.
mattumbo@reddit
I mean if you’re gonna kill your children a baseball bat would do the trick too, sooner people realize that the better because no gun control is gonna stop stuff like family annihilation. A deranged man intent on killing his own flesh and blood needs to be stopped way before he decides to start killing because his options to kill are wide open when it’s his own family, and especially children. I mean dude could’ve left the stove on at night and killed them all just the same.
Qel_Hoth@reddit
What is it with people and storing firearms long term under the seat of their car?
That just about the least safe place you could store a firearm. Maybe we could one-up them by storing loose guns at the sidewalk like Little Libraries?
tdavis20050@reddit
I mean, people do really dumb stuff like leave their guns in the car all the time, but that is not what happened here. What happened here is Ford is felon who can not own a firearm. Ford had his girlfriend straw purchase a gun for him. He kept the gun because it is really his, not hers. At some point in time some asshole comes to Ford and says I need a gun but can't legally buy one, and Ford gives/sells the gun to them. The "he must've stolen it from my car, he knew it was in there" story is his cover he planned for when it inevitably shows up at a crime scene, which it did.
Girlfriend who originally purchased it belongs in jail too, but without Ford or her confessing to the straw purchase they probably do not have a strong case to prove it. Only reason Ford is getting charged is he denied it at first, then changed his story later. He literally confessed to possessing a firearm, which is a crime for him.
sea_5455@reddit (OP)
Your description makes perfect sense; what I have above is from the news story.
goshathegreat@reddit
This right here is 100% what happened.
NEp8ntballer@reddit
Standard dumbass Louisiana behavior. Can't even begin to tell you the number of "truck guns" that have been stolen out of people's vehicles. The real kicker is that a lot of people leave their vehicles unlocked.
MrSt4pl3s@reddit
That too. Literally any reasonable and smart gun owner would have safe storage practices. If you’re going to have a gun in your vehicle, there are significant strides in safe tech that can do that. If you need easy access, that’s why thumb print safes exist
WASRmelon_white_claw@reddit
Isn’t this basically victim blaming? The gun was stolen, he’s the victim of a crime.
imwatchingyou-_-@reddit
Yeah I don’t understand these charges. He’s given a gun to store from a woman going to a hospital. It’s stolen from him and used in a crime. Yes, he’s a felon in possession of a firearm and that is a crime, but he’s not at fault for being robbed. He didn’t supply the weapon. It was stolen.
GSDTippyTappies@reddit
Well, legally there is going to be varying degrees of this... There is "he broke into my house and cracked opened my safe" stolen, and then there is "I left a gun under my truck seat for which was illegal for me to possess and also another guy knew about, a guy that had attempted suicide with DUI and illegal weapons charges on his record, and when the gun was found to be missing I confronted said guy who threw a fit and then I just dropped it and never reported it" stolen.
Therefore IMO yes he's gonna get nailed ultimately for reckless and wanton disregard for handing the murderer the gun on a silver platter.
thin_hawaiian_line@reddit
I honestly don't see what's wrong with charging people for not reporting stolen firearms which are then used in a crime.
The majority of guns used in crimes are stolen, and by not reporting them stolen, you make it harder for said firearm to be recovered before being used in a crime.
Harsher penalities for people who steal firearms, knowingly buy stolen firearms, and people who do nothing to stop the trafficking of stolen firearms will inevitably lead to less crimes using guns. Less crimes using guns means less ammunition for gun control nuts to use to justify their restrictions on our rights.
YuenglingsDingaling@reddit
He didn't report the theft because he's a felon. That's the problem.
thin_hawaiian_line@reddit
He was a felon in possession of a firearm. Mix that with failure to report the theft of said firearm he wasn't legally allowed to posses, he's absolutely not a victim.
He failed on multiple levels.
Guardiancomplex@reddit
If you believe that gun was stolen as opposed to just illegally sold, I've got several bridges to sell to you lol.
tdavis20050@reddit
Absolutely not victim blaming. Victim blaming would be something blaming the victim of a crime for that crime happening to them. Something like "well he should have known better than to keep it stored in his car", or "he deserved to robbed for doing that"
Even if we believe his story, in his best version he knew someone stole the gun from him, he knew who it was, and even confronted them about it. But instead of reporting the crime he chose not to do that, because it would require him admitting that he also committed a different crime. He is not getting charged with anything related to the theft of the gun. He is charged with possessing a firearm when he is not legally allowed to, and making false statements about not ever having it.
If a felon that had a gun reported that gun being stolen, I would fight for them to not get any kind of punishment for possession. But he did not report it.
Reversi8@reddit
If he was smart would have said nothing and gotten a lawyer.
Dung_Beetle_2LT@reddit
That should be done anytime a pig is within arms reach.
Uptight_Internet_Man@reddit
You could argue he was the victim of a theft but he is a prohibited person and not allowed to be in possession of a firearm. He should have informed his friend before accepting the firearm.
If he reported the theft he would be admitting to possession and still get charged. So either way he was screwed when he accepted the firearm.
Gr4p3-S33d@reddit
The fact is the two men knew each other, did likely allowed him to have it, but dead men can’t talk so he’s claiming it was stolen. It’s possible it was stolen but why don’t he have the owner report it and make up some other story. But the owner knowingly let ford have possession of it in the first place. There should be two arrests for this
According_Loss_1768@reddit
He was a prohibited person that wasn't allowed to own a gun in the first place. Convicted felon.
NinjaBuddha13@reddit
Sounds like its more a case of the cops found out he was a felon in possession of a firearm. This is only something the learned because it was stolen from said felon and used in a crime, but that doesnt negate the fact dude was a prohibited person in possession of a firearm.
ANTI-FTSA@reddit
After reading the article it sounds like the should charge the owner too. She gave her gun to a felon while she was in the hospital? Definitely illegal. Retardation all around on that one.
Diligent-Parfait-236@reddit
Only if she knew he was a felon.
ANTI-FTSA@reddit
I dont think ignorance is an excuse for that.
froggertwenty@reddit
It actually is. The crime includes knowingly transferring a gun to a felon.
Not that she shouldn't have known, or didn't know. I'd guess she probably did.
thinkbox@reddit
Honestly, I would never risk it. If I’m selling a gun to someone, I would go to an FFL for the exchange. Cheaper than hiring a lawyer, and if they resist, then I made the right choice.
Viper_ACR@reddit
Asking for a copy of their CCW license is the better option Imo
thinkbox@reddit
Yeah, but a lot of people let those lapses in Texas after constitutional carry passed.
Also, to the downvoters, I get it. Free men don’t ask for permission.
Honestly tho, asking for a check or CCW license is free to me, and lawyers aren’t.
I am fine advocating for laws that make us free, but I’m not monied enough to fight a case.
ZeroPointSpecter@reddit
In most places, it’s whether you were negligent or willfully blind. If you had reason to believe they were allowed to own a firearm and sold it to them, that’s not where legal trouble starts. The law isn’t trying to punish honest sellers acting in good faith.
Operational_Opossum@reddit
If you live in a state where private sales are legal, and you sell a gun to someone and they lie to you, you’re now immediately a criminal? Fuck right off with that.
YuenglingsDingaling@reddit
Personally, I'm not selling a gun to someone I don't know anyways.
sea_5455@reddit (OP)
Lot of private sales around here people show ccw permits. Which is one reason to get a permit even in a constitutional carry state.
osoatwork@reddit
That's on her.
Operational_Opossum@reddit
What’s on her? She doesn’t have access to NICS.
CuckAdminsDetected@reddit
I mean I was under the impression you had a duty to check. Im fairly certain once someone is arrested and convicted that becomes public information. Now I could absolutely be wrong about that.
currentlyhigh@reddit
For private transfers (assuming it's in a jurisdiction where private transfers are legal) only duty the seller has is to not knowingly sell the gun to a felon.
CuckAdminsDetected@reddit
Huh interesting. I thought there was more to it than that. Learn something new everyday
currentlyhigh@reddit
With that being said, I've sold a few firearms and I always have the seller fill out a basic bill of sale saying that they own it now and that they aren't a prohibited possessor (being involuntary committed for mental health also puts you in that category, as does misdemeanor domestic violence here in Texas) but I just do that to cover my ass, not because I'm required.
In states that don't allow private transfers the buyer and seller would need to both meet at a gun shop and pay a fee for them to run the NICS background check.
currentlyhigh@reddit
Not unless she knew he was a felon.
I've sold some guns and I have the buyer sign a bill of sale saying they aren't a prohibited possessor but that's just to protect my ass in case they do something crazy. The burden is not on me and I don't have access to the NICS anyway.
Gr4p3-S33d@reddit
There’s lots of girlfriends that get carry permits and buy a gun cause their boyfriend wants them to and they hold it for him. They also drives him around so he doesn’t have to ID himself, or he drives her car with the gun still in it. It’s an attempt to get away with the person not to possess having a gun in arms reach. The same guys tend not to have much of anything in their name so it can’t be seized in connection with criminal activity
Orb_Gazer@reddit
Yes, it’s called a straw purchase and there are warnings about it in the paperwork you sign to buy a firearm.
Suckamanhwewhuuut@reddit
She very well might
Averagecrabenjoyer69@reddit
I'm sure she thought "ole bubba, he's just a good ole boy who don't mean no harm, I trust him".
OleRockTheGoodAg@reddit
"He was in the National guard! Surely he can be trusted with a gun"
Minamike98@reddit
As someone who lives in the neighboring city by Shreveport, it’s really not a surprise.
Kokabim@reddit
This is a stupid games stupid prizes situation
consultantdetective@reddit
Huh, crazy that enforcing existing laws would've stopped this guy from getting what he used. Oh well, I guess we need more laws! (/s)
Shoddy-Solution4815@reddit
Good. I hope he rots and they arrest the straw purchaser that gave it to the felon in the first place.