Please help, can you explain the speed limit?

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Jesisawesome@reddit

30

They've painted the 20 on the wrong side of the road and with the wrong orientatiom. The sign is the only thing that matters.

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Soluchyte@reddit

The road painting of speed limits is also not legally binding, they have to use signs.

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takesthebiscuit@reddit

Is it possible the road signs are backwards?

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PennyBunPudding@reddit

Doesn't matter. Red circle signs are the only ones that are law. Any thing else is advisory. Although, it's highlight recommended you follow for safety reasons and insurance etc

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markvauxhall@reddit

If it's anything like my area, people who are angry about 20mph limits spin the signs around on the poles so that the sign is pointing the wrong way and the limit is unenforceable.

All that effort because they don't want to go a little bit more slowly on a residential street.

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PracticeNo8733@reddit

It's the road signs that matter legally, though. So even if they weren't intended to be that way around, that's the way they are.

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I think they've misread the plan for the markings as the triangles on the speed bump ate on the wrong side, too.. they should be facing oncoming traffic. The 20 should be onthe other side of the road, rotated through 180°, to tell road users they are entering a 20 zone.

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Mr-Incy@reddit

I thought the same about the arrows, but if you zoom in you can see they are correct, the bump rises where the arrows are painted in the same direction, probably to bring the road up to kerb level for the unmarked pedestrian crossing, dimpled paving slabs either side.
Can't see where the raised part ends, I am guessing it will be below the bottom of the picture.

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Oldfart_karateka@reddit

You're bang on, I was looking at it wrong. Thanks!

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Jesisawesome@reddit

I mean....looking at the road, it does seem odd. but the sign is the sign.

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BuzDrivar@reddit

Floor markings mean fk all. Always follow signs.

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_Democracy_Manifest_@reddit

20 if you're on the road and 30 if you're above the road.

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V8boyo@reddit

Looking at the base of the signs they look new so the 20 road sign is probably still there from the previous speed limit and is awaiting removal.

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No_Group5174@reddit

The road markings have been painted on backwards. Who paints speed bump warning when you are leaving a speed bump? (And where is the speed bump FFS?)

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Tonybham01@reddit

It could be a one way street

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Mr-Incy@reddit

Upright signs are the legally enforceable speed limit, the ones painted on the road are just reminders, so in the picture the speed limit is 30mph once you pass those upright signs.

It appears the people being paid to put up the signs and paint the road have made a mistake, which is pretty typical across the country.

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roygbiv1000@reddit

I used to have a space outside my house for disabled "bagde" holders. I don't know if anyone ever contested it.

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AndromedaFire@reddit

Regardless of the spelling disabled pays painted on residential roads like that aren’t legally enforceable anyway. They are just a request to keep it clear for disabled users. It is also in no way owned or reserved for the specific disabled person that requested the council paint it there and Is for any disabled person

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n3m0sum@reddit

As with many legal things, it's a little complicated.

Regardless of the spelling disabled pays painted on residential roads like that aren’t legally enforceable anyway.

They are legally enforceable if they have a disabled parking restriction sign on an upright pole near them. Most don't, some do, it varies by council.

It is also in no way owned or reserved for the specific disabled person that requested the council paint it there and Is for any disabled person

Almost universally true, almost. Some few councils (Tower Hamlets is one) allow for personal disabled parking bays that are restricted to a vehicle from an address. This is rare but achieved via a Traffic Regulation Order.

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The_Epic_Fail_Guy@reddit

The law is a huge grey area on purpose, designed as such so people can make money from it being overly distorted, instead of simple and clear. If the law was like an algorithm, it'd be much simpler, yet instead we get vagueness.

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Mr-Incy@reddit

Haha, reminds me of the shorts where they paint the word SOTP or SHCOOL.

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schwillton@reddit

BUP SOTP

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DTH2001@reddit

I expect that the people who put up the signs and those who put the road markings on are from different companies. Councils have to contract everything out, which can lead to a lack of joined up thinking.

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Mr-Incy@reddit

Most definitely two separate teams of people.

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wildstoo@reddit

Thwenty

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MxJamesC@reddit

You add them up so 50

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_Bluestar_Bus_Soton_@reddit

The red circle sign is what counts. You could have 20 paintings all over the road but speed limits are only enforceable when there's a sign with a red circle

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StevenXSG@reddit

Same on motorways, red circle signs are speed limits, flashing yellow signs (usually older ones now) are advisory.

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Spinxy88@reddit

Going along the M40 toward Oxford, the yellow signs came on for 50, then 40, road was empty so I just kept going. Then, round a bend, there was an unlit accident involving 3 cars blocking half the carriage way. Now I always follow them.

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VauxsHorse@reddit

Residential street limited to one way traffic should be 10mph, 20 or 30mph and a child steps out from between cars will have yours and the Childs live ruined

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UnremarkableCake@reddit

26.67mph is the average across all three signs, so go for that.

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MixerFistit@reddit

That's mean

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dwhite21787@reddit

Someone with art skills could change 20 to 28 and up that average

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eltipperino82@reddit

Take off and landing speed from the speed hump?

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MissionLet7301@reddit

The legally enforceable limit would be 30.

However with parked cars on both sides of the road I'm not sure how much over 20 you'd really want to be doing.

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PrimeZodiac@reddit

Clearly you add the two together for 50 /s

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Grampa_Flump@reddit

The painted 20 is fake

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sparkes1911@reddit

It's 30, but actually the black border around the sign means it's advisory and not mandatory.

What makes it a 30 is the lack of repeating signs to inform you of the speed and if there's street lighting every 100 yards or so, so you would assume a default 30 based on that.

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TheThiefMaster@reddit

The "black border is advisory" thing is for if the actual circle is black, but it's red. Anything outside the circle doesn't matter.

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sparkes1911@reddit

Any black border is advisory. It's also a square sign, so information, not a round sign which is an instruction.

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TheThiefMaster@reddit

Check "signs giving orders" section in the highway code: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs

It's an "order" sign, i.e. a restriction you must obey. The rectangular border is because it's a zone sign, rather than a traditional speed limit with repeater signs.

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RefrigeratorSorry55@reddit

50

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Dependent_Ad8920@reddit

AI. Lines don't match up, 20 mph and triangles on wrong sides of carriageways and white paint looks 3D and too white.

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Dunk546@reddit

Everyone is saying the signs are right but what if they faced the signs the wrong way..? It really looks like they should be 20mph signs as they look like the entrance to a minor road. Obviously hard to tell though, from just this pic.

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kainbloodheart@reddit

Signs are right as in that what's enforceable but they may be set up wrong.

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Daveddozey@reddit

Then the limit word be unenforceable

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LordDethBeard@reddit

As I understand it, road painted signs are "reminders" and are largely unenforceable without a corresponding sign. As the sign says 30, that is the limit

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huskydaisy@reddit

It's a thirty in that photo. The number in the red circle is what matters.

Possible explanations include:

A clever clogs turned the signs around
Plans for a future 20 but it hasn't been approved yet so the 30 signs had to be put in for now
Some wally has installed the wrong signs/put them in the wrong direction
Some wally has painted the 20 in the wrong place

Expect it to maybe get fixed in the next 0-20 years.

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Fingerbob73@reddit

Or maybe 0-30 years?

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fluffybit@reddit

They probably had to put them up to cancel a 20 zone that was in force.

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TheThiefMaster@reddit

The local council likely has a website to report issues - I reported a reversed 20/30 sign like these in mine and they fixed it sharpish.

Check the limit on the road that joins this one and you'll know if some numpty has spun them round or not.

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Sc0ttiShDUdE@reddit

50 you add them together

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Outrageous_Shirt_737@reddit

They’ve made a boo boo.

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actualcompile@reddit

A speed limit is only enforceable if it is inside a red circle. Anything else is advisory (although wise to be followed).

The big circles that councils paint on the road are not enforceable, they are advisory.

In this case, the speed limit is 30 as signposted.

At a guess, they’ve either painted the junction backwards, or the speed limit signs are on the wrong way around (or have t yet been changed). Until those signs say 20, the paint on the road has no leverage.

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