Former Belgian PM and former European Council president has criticized Von Der Leyen for her comments regarding Turkey. Thoughts?
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Aggravating-Drop7676@reddit
The ammount of butthurt Turkish is insane.
Turkey is obviously a chaptic evil dictatorship, we may be aligned on some levels now, but we will most likely become adversaries.
The whole S-300 Fiasko did not really help either
rogo01_@reddit
We were at war with Turkey for 300+ years. Although we are very far from them now, we still do not trust them.
ieradp@reddit
Holy sh*t, how did she manage to unite this sub?
Like are my eyes deceiving me?
Sea-Cup4754@reddit
Me a year ago
Slayagecentral@reddit
What did von der Leyen say?
Sea-Cup4754@reddit
😂
frn8@reddit
this
Kioz@reddit
Ursula is one of the worst things to ever happen to the European Union. It is because of her mandate the far right has been growing in popularity amongst middle and low class citizens
Sea-Cup4754@reddit
She’s well liked among her peers she has some nice moments I just need more sincerity from her also her hair slays but that’s not enough 😂
Sea-Cup4754@reddit
She’s been pretty nice to Ukraine my problem is she attacks Russia for silencing people and that video of security doing the same at one of her talks is when the cracks started happening for me I was like well Ursula but you are also doing the same 😂but whatever she’s well liked among her peers.
LibertyChecked28@reddit
What makes you think she doesn't intentionally want this?
The best way to fabricate the rise of the Alt-Right is by placing intentionally harmful straw men under the spot light. like the Painter's antisemitism campaign quite literally got ''grounded'' by false flag actors from NSADP collaborators.
riesen_Bonobo@reddit
It's basically what her party (CDU) does in Germany, they safeguard and feed the AfD to have a far right scarecrow to point to when justifying their own far right, super rich favorist and corrupt policies as moderate, reasonable and "what the people want".
Only problem being is that they'r in well over their head and Merz just might be Höcke's Franz von Papen.
Onofrio22@reddit
Maybe the CDU shouldn't have let so many third worlders enter Germany
ThereIsBetter@reddit
Underrated comment
Old_Bowler_465@reddit
No one loves mass immigration more than elites: easy scapegoat, easy rage vote, cheap exploitable employment, lowered wage. She alongside the whole european political class (yes even the far right) did it on purpose
Sea-Cup4754@reddit
Finally and again not an attack Ursula 😂
Sea-Cup4754@reddit
Ugh thanks.
Careful_Manager_4282@reddit
Turkey provides cheap labor and an energy corridor. Other than that it's not exactly "European" by any means, not religion, not customs, not much period.
Funny how such an obvious observation sparks a debate though.
theboltT@reddit
She is an Israel puppet , just ask yourself what happened instantly so she made such statements
TareasS@reddit
The most "Atlanticist" politician there is says this shit just after Israel starts yapping about Turkey being their enemy.
No way its a coincidence.
ChaosKeeshond@reddit
It's either that or she's still seething over Sofagate
TurCzech@reddit
What the fwck does "a key migration partner" mean? The Great Replacement conspiracy theory?
FranklinRichardss@reddit
It means E*dogan keeps more than 4m of Syrian, Afghanistani etc refugees in order to get money from EU and give them citizenship to strengthen his votes which decreasing day by day.
Biggest mistake people do over Turkiye is thinking Turkiye's interests are the same as Erdogan's interest.
Erdogan and EU both are very much happy with current situation of Turkiye. Making Turkish people's lives hell every single day.
TurCzech@reddit
That's quite correct, I got caught in the whole immigration mess in 2014, my citizenship request took 22 months even though I married a proper Turkish citizen, even some police officers joked about if I was Syrian I would have gotten the citizenship in a month or so. What boggles my mind is "corridor" and as if it was a good thing. Corridor means that something has to pass through.
brokeassbee@reddit
Turkey is supporting jihadis world wide! Sure Balkan bi**es like that!
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
The whole country is crying right now, how can Brussels sprout say something like this lmao
brokeassbee@reddit
Stfu Isis whore
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
That commentary would make sense if you were not pro-EU yourself and don't larp to be European.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
?
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
You are a Turk who believes that hes European and Turkiye is Europe and ur pro-EU so when you say satirically that u dont care about what a leading authority of EU says about your country that isnt really consistent
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Ne diyon mk ya djdkdk kafayı
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
Yanı başında bir ülke var, başbakanı caka satmak için senin ülkenle yaptığı antlaşmaya sümüğünü siliyor, ülkenin her kanalında günde 1 saat Türkiye ile savaş konuşuluyor. Zamanında sınırları içinde var olan soyunu kurutmuş, vatandaşları senin şehirlerini kaybedilmiş şehir olarak görüyor ve geri almak istiyor diyorsun ki bizim bunlarla bir sorunumuz yok biz kardeşiz, aramızda miras kavası var diye kendini avutuyorsun. Aklınca avrupalı Hristiyan biri sana, ırkçı görünmemek için "Yia aslında biz iyiyiz de şu politikacılar ega yiaaa" diyince keyfe gelip hemen role giriyorsun. Büyük ihtimal Türkiye'ye Avrupa ülkesi diyen, demokratik olsak bizi alırlar diyen bir safsın.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Oğlum siktirgit ne diyorsun amk gece gece çattık amk iftiralara bak mk ya djdjdk
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
Pardon knk kullanıcı adında owl yazıyor diye seni bir başkasıyla karıştrdım baktım o değilsin galiba. Neyse yanlış anlaşıldım kb.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Önemli değil knk.
Kioz@reddit
Brussels sprout ;))) EPIC
WolandWasHere@reddit
Love this comment!
abki12c@reddit
Kaamos_666@reddit
Yes but it’s not like Turkey didn’t express willingness towards resolution. Annan Plan almost made it happen. That gives some moral high ground to Türkiye. Also, Cyprus wasn’t supposed to be EU territory unless the matter is resolved. This was the condition. But Cyprus was admitted into the union anyway.
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
İ'm sorry but Cyprus' government was overthrown by which NATO country?
abki12c@reddit
By the government of the country that the overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots, that were the overwhelming majority of the island, agreed to unify with at the time (plus the country which both communities of Cyprus have DNA in)
THELEADERPLAYER@reddit
AKA "imperialism is ok when it's us doing it. You need to sit back and watch as your people are getting massacred."
abki12c@reddit
Cyprus is Greek whether you like it or not. And yes the Greek government should have intervened when Turkey invaded and started massacre of civilians instead of watching.
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DriveByAtanCivciv@reddit
Cyprus is greek whatever you like it or not because I (16yrs old with 5k hours in hoi4) said so 😭😭
abki12c@reddit
Last time i checked Mongols came from Central Asia
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
Well good thing we're not goddamn mongols jesus christ
carpuzz@reddit
Ohh racist punk
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
And there it is ladies & gents, the blatant admission/approval of racism, bigotry and european hypocrisy
abki12c@reddit
There it is ladies & gents, the hard to swallow truth. DNA tests are the cryptonite of Turks
carpuzz@reddit
Ohh u invent gamma betta Omega... What a useful thing...
NegotiationSweet5082@reddit
At that time, Cyprus was not a member of the EU. It wasn't even considered part of Europe. What you're doing is ridiculous, like Türkiye declaring all the Aegean islands Turkish territory tomorrow and calling Greece an occupier.
NegotiationSweet5082@reddit
Furthermore, your membership in the EU is the biggest act of favoritism in history. What idiot made a state that doesn't control half of the land it claims to own a member of the EU?!
Dreadscythe95@reddit
Are you denying the occupation though? Cause this conversation is a joke.
berikiyan@reddit
In UNSC Resolutions in last decades Turkish military presence in Cyprus is not called an occupation but an intervention. Occupation is just the term Greek propagandists use.
Dreadscythe95@reddit
An intervention? A permanent intervention it seems. Keep playing with words to prove a point, this is ragebaiting at this point.
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
Cyprus in the EU is a rare greek diplomatic W. Also no matter how you cope, thw whole island is considered part of the EU and nothing will change that.
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
İt only shows how little the EU actually cares about laws and rules.
They have a policy that prevents nationally unstable countries from becoming members but they still admitted cyprus without even considering the side effects, believing that they can manhandle Turkey into giving up even though it was greece that invaded cyprus first.
Seximilian@reddit
The EU admitted Cyprus after Turkey's presence in Cyprus, although the EU has a rule that countries can only become member states if they have no unresolved territorial disputes. So Cyprus gaining access to the EU violated the EU's own standards, which only proves the point of double standards again. And why do you guys have no problem with british presence on that island? Cyprus has no british population and britian is also no member of the EU.
Several-Zombies6547@reddit
No such rule exists. Provide a credible source next time.
British presence was established through an agreement. Can't say the same about the occupation in the north.
berikiyan@reddit
In Copenhagen Criteria admitted countries need to have rule of law. Half of Cypriot Constitution is suspended. Where is the Turk Cypriot Vice President with veto rights? Nowhere to be found.
Yet somehow it complies with the Copenhagen Criteria.
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
Yeah, I'm aware of the double standard. I don't disagree.
They have.
Punkmo16@reddit
I will change that, you can be sure of it.
abki12c@reddit
What YOU are doing is ridiculous. Cyprus in one island and one state, not two states. Turkey is an occupier on Cyprus. With your mindset if Greece is given back some historically Greek land, next year don't complain Greece is an occupier.
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
Going by this "island" thing, what about ireland?
And also: it was greece that caused all this trouble, lets not forget the greek coup against cyprus in the 70s
abki12c@reddit
I don't care about Ireland, Ireland is not Cyprus. Go ask an Irish about Protestants
Of yeah, this legitimizes the long term occupation of north cyprus and violence against civilians by Turkey.
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
Believe it or not: it kinda does.
Let me just go out on a limb and say that there hasnt been a greek overthrowing of Cyprus and a mass killing against Turkish Cypriots ever since, was there?
İ mean, of course its super easy to forget ones own fingerprints on a crime scene but you know just as well as me that cyprus would still be united if it hadnt been for greeces invasion prior. All we did was react.
abki12c@reddit
Yeah it's very convenient for a country that has commited 3 genocides to play the victim card about Turkish Cypriots and then justify the violence against Greek Cypriots as a peace intervention.
If Turkey didn't invade and Turkish Cypriots didn't support the British, Turkish Cypriots would have EU citizenship
KillerPalm@reddit
Turkish Cypriots already have EU citizenship.
I swear you mainland Greeks and Turks know next to nothing about Cyprus.
Zealousideal_Cry_460@reddit
İ've seen u use the race-card when being exposed as a hypocrite. Not worth my time anymore tbh
DifficultTitle831@reddit
More likely scenario is Turkish Cypriots wouldn't even have tombstones and would be spinning in their mass graves as Greeks would continue their onslaught. Like it or not but you guys are as shitty as we are.
carpuzz@reddit
A convenient Greek government, conveniently come across, sign documents with a genocidal regime... What a convient hellas
NimrodvanHall@reddit
Sometime politicians on social media sound a lot like teenagers on a schoolyard.
envalemdor@reddit
Dear Nikos, since we're talking about double standards, let me remind you that EU had to violate its own standards to allow a country with territorial disputes in EU because Greece literally became the Hungary and vetoed everything until Cyprus was let in.
Original_Ganache_134@reddit
Extremely based diplomatic strategy from Greece. They haven't had many diplomatic W's in the recent past, but their stance on Cyprus's EU accession was brilliant
abki12c@reddit
Let me also remind you that Germany, founding member of the EU, was divided at the time of the creation of the EU and that only the Republic of Cyprus joined while the conflict between the North and the South was stable.
DriveByAtanCivciv@reddit
The east and west Germany compression is only valid if TRNC was internationally recognized, at least to a degree. Your example is misleading, current situation in cyprus can be compared to Moldova/Transdinyester which is a territorial dispute not a DPRK/RK or GDR/FRG situation in which both sides are mostly recognized entities worldwide.
Successful-Biggy@reddit
Does he know why Turkey wanted to control a part of the Cyprus ?
abki12c@reddit
Because Cyprus was about to become part of the Greek state
Successful-Biggy@reddit
Mhmm, have you ever heard eoka ?
abki12c@reddit
I have. Have you heard of TMT ?
Successful-Biggy@reddit
Ohh, do you mean the protection organisation installed because of eoka's 'bath tube' events ?
abki12c@reddit
I mean the organization whose members were grey wolves and killed Turkish Cypriots, opposed Enosis and organized bombings against the Turkish embassy and mosques to radicalize Turkish Cypriots.
TMT was created before the bathtub event. Turkish Cypriot journalist Sener Levent claimed in an interview with a former TMT commander that it is possible that the photo showing a mother and her dead children in a bathtub killed by Greek Cypriots was created by TMT. Furthermore, he claimed that TMT also changed the position of the bodies to make the photos look more “effective.”
carpuzz@reddit
And they called themselves tmt efficiency means Turkish resistance force.... And eoka... Means what google it..
Successful-Biggy@reddit
Bro, why are you lying on even the most basic things. Check when TMT and eoka created from wikipedia then u will see which one has created because of which one.
Apparently, ur ai is delusioning. TMT created for defencing for Turkish Cypriots, not for killing them. And additionally, if u write to your ai 'bloody Christmas' you may learn something new. Have a good day.
abki12c@reddit
I mean the organization whose members were grey wolves and killed Turkish Cypriots, opposed Enosis and organized bombings against the Turkish embassy and mosques to radicalize Turkish Cypriots
K-Hunter-@reddit
Judging by his answer, I think he has
Successful-Biggy@reddit
His answer seems too basic and biased without that name. Let him see that there.
Dartheril@reddit
When Cyprus gained independence from Britain, three "Guarantor Powers" were established: Greece, Turkey, and the UK. Under Article IV of this treaty, if the state of affairs in Cyprus was disturbed, the guarantors had the right to take action to re-establish the constitutional order. Turkey argues its 1974 intervention was a legal exercise of this right.
On July 15, 1974, the Greek military junta in Athens backed a coup in Cyprus to overthrow President Makarios. The goal was joining Cyprus to Greece. This effectively broke the 1960 constitution and, in Turkey’s view, necessitated an intervention to protect the Turkish Cypriot minority from being absorbed into a hostile Greek state.
Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots have attempted to find a diplomatic exit.
In 2004, the UN proposed the Annan Plan to reunify the island.
Turkish Cypriots voted "Yes" (65%) to reunify.
Greek Cypriots voted "No" (76%) to the plan.
Which has proven that Turks in Cyprus are still under the risk of an ethnic cleansing. We have seen the same happen in Bulgaria. Bulgarian Turks were forced to change their names, abandon their culture or imprisoned and punished. Many managed to escape but some died or lost their identity.
This risk still gives Turkey the right to remain as a protective force in accordance with the Treaty of Guarantee that GREECE signed.
Fatalaros@reddit
The constitutional order is literally established and the country is even in the EU, what else do you want to be convinced. Turkey is illegally (according to EVERYONE) occupying part of the country its independence is supposed to be guaranteeing.
abki12c@reddit
The Treaty of Guarantee did not clearly authorize long-term military occupation.
The United Nations does not accept the situation in northern Cyprus as a lawful occupation or a legitimate state, and its position has been very consistent since 1974. Nobody recognizes the puppet state of North Cyprus except Turkey and is illegal under international law.
The result of the Annan Plan does not proves Turkish Cypriots are still at risk of ethnic cleansing, that's a ridiculous statement. This shows that Greek Cypriots did not agree with the conditions of the unification.
Dartheril@reddit
Article IV states: "In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty."
Following the collapse of the power-sharing government in 1963; approximately 25,000 to 30,000 Turkish Cypriots were forced into enclaves. Between 1963 and 1964, hundreds of Turkish Cypriots were killed or went missing. This was a documented plan by Greek Cypriot leadership aimed at the internal subjugation of Turkish Cypriots and rapid unification with Greece.
These actions creates a legitimate fear of ethnic cleansing so the rejection of a UN-brokered peace by the majority group naturally reinforces the minority group's reliance on their external guarantor for safety.
abki12c@reddit
Intervention is not long term military occupation, especially in 2026. It is clearly a justification to the already established position of partition of Cyprus before the creation of EOKA. It was a planned occupation, not a peace operation or intervention.
Violence in 1963 was intercommunal not one sided. In 1974 over 1/4 of the Greek Cypriot population was forced to leave their homes, women were raped and they overall suffered way more violence. This and Turkey's military presence on the north reinforces the Greek Cypriot's legitimate concerns for military aggressions in the future. Turkey has proved to be an imperialistic state throught history.
Dartheril@reddit
You claim the intervention was planned, yet you ignore that for 11 years (1963–1974), Turkish Cypriots were forced into enclaves covering only 3% of the island’s land.
If Turkey wanted a planned occupation, would they wait a decade while their kin were being systematically excluded from the government they helped found.
Regarding your point on the violence of 1974:
You cannot mention the suffering of 1974 without acknowledging the EOKA-B coup. It wasn't Turkey that overthrew the constitutional order; it was the Greek Junta. Greece tried to Annex the island through military. Turkey intervened to prevent unification with Greece, which would have resulted in the total expulsion or assimilation of every Turk on the island.
While the 1963 violence was intercommunal, it was the Turkish Cypriots who were pushed out of the administration, the police, and the military. One side had the state apparatus; the other had enclaves.
When you say Greek Cypriots suffered way more but ignore the horrific massacres of civilians in Maratha, Santalaris, and Aloda, where entire villages of Turkish Cypriots (including children and the elderly) were executed and buried in mass graves by EOKA-B. Or the Tochni massacre, where nearly all Turkish Cypriot men in the village were executed.
If the North is a puppet state and the South truly wants peace, why did the North vote 65% YES to reunify in 2004 while the South voted 76% NO?
The Greek Cypriot legitimate concerns about military aggression ring hollow when they are the ones who rejected a UN-brokered peace plan that would have seen the withdrawal of troops.
Turkey remains because, historically, when they weren't there, Turkish Cypriots ended up in mass graves.
berikiyan@reddit
It says "to restore the constitutional order". I don't see andiy restored 1960 Constitutional order before 13 amendments and a Turk Cypriot Vice President with veto rights anywhere.
Actually Greek Cypriots are allergic to the idea of Turk Cypriots having veto rights or political decision power over any matter.
The UN accepts the Turk Cypriot President as the legitimate representative of Turk Cypriots in rounds and rounds of negotiations.
Ok, Turkish military intervention will end either when the 1960 Constitutional Order is restored or the two communities on the island (Greek Cypriots and Turk Cypriots) agree upon a new constitutional order.
TheETERNAL20@reddit
Valid attack I guess?
James420May@reddit
core NATO ally? buys russian weapons? ignores sanctions? fucking with Sweden for no obvious reason?
Fatalaros@reddit
Turkey eradicated the Greek population of Constantinople in the 1955 pogroms. Both Greece and Turkey were in NATO. Turkey invaded Greece in 1996 Imia crisis, the US had to intervene, both countries in NATO. I believe no European country had even made a statement.
European hypocrisy is on a whole other level. Fuck this bitch though, who the hell ever wanted her as president.
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman decline - Wikipedia
Balkaners eradicated 5.5 millions of Turks and still celebrate it until this day.
Fatalaros@reddit
Not the same bozo. Look at the "both countries in NATO" part.
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
If Greeks massacred Turks as a reaction to oppression and take a revenge, why shouldn't Turks take their own revenge?
Fatalaros@reddit
1955 is post ww2, are you tripping? It was a Turkish government plot, you can search about it and why it started. It also involves your all-beloved father of the nation.
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
Ottomans started the conquest of Balkans during 14th century, Balkaners revenged it 400 years later by eradicating 5.5 millions of Turks. They waited 4 centuries.
Would that be too much if Turks waited for a few decades? Why something that is Halal (permissible) for Balkaners would be Haram (forbidden) for Turks?
Fatalaros@reddit
You are Muslim, alcohol is haram. You've had too much before you comment. Balkans didn't take revenge, they gained independence. It's still irrelevant to the point that in 1955 Greece and Turkey are allies.
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
Eradicating majority of a population because of their ethnicity upon an independence movement is revenge. I lost 2 relatives of mine to Bulgarians.
In our religion we believe in Qisas, if a person breaks your arm, you break his arm too.
More_Ad_5142@reddit
Invaded Greece? 😂 you watch too much Greek tv, try other sources. Imia/Kardak was a tiny rock in the gray zone. You interpret as Turkey invading Greece. As far as Turkey is involved, it was Greece invading Turkey. You know perspective and nuance?
Fatalaros@reddit
There's no gray zones.
More_Ad_5142@reddit
Yeah in that case Kardak is Turkish, no gray zones!
EvilInGood@reddit
Imia is not worth fighting for, two pieces of rocks.
Fatalaros@reddit
Sanest Turkish logic.
More_Ad_5142@reddit
Yeah sure, your comment “Turkey invading Greece” was so hinged and sane. Least exaggerating Greek
carpuzz@reddit
Go out ur cave greek
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
As a Greek, I can't support Turkey's foreign policy objectives. But honestly, many European political constellations and interest groups are not being honest - neither to Turkey, nor to Greece.
RoyaleKingdom78@reddit
This woman and Kaja Kallas alone makes me eurosceptic. This woman is literally Epstein of EU, no matter what she wins somehow and stays in power. I hate those kind of bureaucrats and recently started sincerely hating EU itself. I think any eastward expansion to east of Germany and to south of Austria was a mistake. Cyprus is determining fate of a Swede, countries not located in “Europe” (Continents are not real yet they care about it) are no eligible candidates but Cyprus somehow was? Their double standards over Ukrainians getting invaded and Palestinians getting genocided will be a thing I will never forget. I feel bitter for every dime of my tax that finds its way in EU bureaucracy.
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
Do you really need 2 persons to make you Euroseptic? Why you wanted to adapt the identity of a contient that hated your existence and wanted to eradicate you in the first place?
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
There's nothing wrong with people staying in power. Why would you want bureaucrats switched out? For what purpose? The point should be accountability. Elections are a gigantic waste of money. I genuinely hope that through the EU in this century or the next, we can just do away with democracy.
Also, of course expansion east of Germany wasn't a mistake, because Germany needed those countries to get access to the Black Sea. Cyprus is also useful because it's a great forward base from which to spearhead into Turkey when a war eventually comes (and it definitely will after Russia is done away with). This is why Serbia is an abandoned project, because the EU has no need for another landlocked country with nothing to offer.
There's also no double standard over Ukrainians and Palestinians, at least in geopolitical terms. Ukraine is rich, has an insanely important geostrategic position, and this war has pretty much forced Russia to go into a war economy which will end disastrously in the longterm. They're also Christians. Palestinians are Muslims and have zero connection to Europe in any way. Israel remains a strategic partner of the EU, and the Germans are still not done virtue signaling how bad they feel about WW2.
To me it sounds like you drank the liberal kool-aid and took that stuff about human rights and shit seriously. But surely you know no one really means it.
RoyaleKingdom78@reddit
_They're also Christians. Palestinians are Muslims and have zero connection to Europe in any way._ Well, I'm not saying we should go and strike Israel but you know we fund those people to kill babies?
FuelTheRadiance@reddit
I mean I'm not saying I agree with what Israel did, but there's not much for Europe to say on the matter. Also, Germany accessing the Black Sea did a ton, what are you talking about? It shortens the shipping time by almost a week. More importantly, it completely bypasses Istanbul and allows anything to go out directly to the Caucasus if needed, rendering Turkey's leverage much, much weaker. It's a major win for EU independence.
The cheap labor is by no means the main reason because as anyone would tell you people were going to work in Germany long before most of these countries were in the EU (testimony to your 90s example). Likewise, if it's cheap labor the EU wanted, they could've scooped up Serbia yesterday.
Comfortable-Dig-6118@reddit
I'm sorry Israel has already declared that turkey is the next enemy
denayz@reddit
This is absurd as long as Turkey and Israel continue to maintain strong trade relations. Turkey is currently one of their top five trading partners.
celoman@reddit
Export and import to isreal is banned by Turkish government there is no more trading between the counties.
Rude-Newspaper7928@reddit
Never heard such bullshit
denayz@reddit
Hahaha of course :D
Check this out: https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/israel-tariffs
Nowadays, ships are just not going directly to Israel... before that, one more stop and then going... so we call it politics.
Comfortable-Dig-6118@reddit
They don't really care they already rule all the west
Over-Percentage-1929@reddit
EU and double standards/simplifying reality is a decade old alliance. (at least)
slight_digression@reddit
Only a decade? Since \~2016?
TheSamuil@reddit
Don't remind me that 2016 was a decade ago. I feel ancient
K-Hunter-@reddit
Hey covid stole 2 years so you could think of it as just 8 years, if it’s any consolation
walter_______black@reddit
3 years id say, post covid shock
K-Hunter-@reddit
True true…
Caspica@reddit
What double standards are you referring to?
One_Conversation3886@reddit
I was just starting to like her just a little bit
Next_League6403@reddit
In Europe being anti Turkish/Muslim or at least being neutral gets them votes but once they get elected the tone changes because they see how important Türkiye is for the eu. Charles Michel is right 100% but he has no influence anymore.
If Türkiye for some reason can't or won't co-operate with the Eu, It will be a big problem more so for the eu since they are used to having nice,secure lives while we have to deal with every bullshit in the middle east while neighbouring russia.
CannaLord@reddit
EU needs Türkiye but they don’t want Türkiye.
Old_Resident8050@reddit
Still trash though and nobody wants to being trash from outside in their house , or do they?
theyanardageffect@reddit
I hate that part of being a key migration partner. Its time to send few millions into Europe.
Tankette55@reddit
I dont like erdogan but equating turkey to the likes of russia and china in the same sentence is a very big stretch.
hellene_crusader@reddit
Why are we glazing the Turks exactly? What’s the end goal?
Few_Concentrate_6708@reddit
i think the name says it all
PasicT@reddit
Now he's acting all tough but was extremely soft on these issues when he was the EC president.
TheRedBaron-7@reddit
Like every liberal, they move to any direction, depending on where the wind comes from. Centrists are disgusting and spineless.
Imperator707@reddit
Liberals are not centrists. If you believe in any notion of democracy, secularism, human rights, and private property you are liberal whether you think you’re conservative or progressive.
sloopywettoppyswife@reddit
imagine saying that when Trump moves where the wind comes from and he is the Rights Leader and this pic isn't edited
iboreddd@reddit
EU has double standards? I'm shocked
No-Bad7988@reddit
Double shocked?
Odd-Future1037@reddit
And triple shocked!
nicubunu@reddit
Of course, after all Charles Michel got the better chair in Sofagate
NotTradingGreek@reddit
Turkey also occupies almost 1/3 of a EU member State
EvilInGood@reddit
It happened decades before Cyprus joined EU but finding a solution is much harder than that. There are more than three hundred thousand people over there with many different opinions.
Illesbogar@reddit
Isn't being friendly with Turkey the double standards? Like, how could we be when they occupy a third of one of our member states? Are also barely democratic now and warmonger in syria. They could only be an ally of necessity at best.
More_Ad_5142@reddit
Warmonger in Syria?
Illesbogar@reddit
Yeah they invaded and indiscriminately bombed the Kurds.
More_Ad_5142@reddit
Source: your ass
TensorSensor@reddit
Is this guy still profesor at that Chinese business university europe something, though?
Fiko515@reddit
its cute how its her whos always concerned about corruption... the one who was literally caught red handed negotiating bakshish for making us all get Pfizer vac...
Usernamenotta@reddit
Von Den Liar is a malevolent idiot with initiative. Worst kind of idiot.
Sadly, I have the same opinion about most politicians, especially European ones. (UK included).
I've lived in Brussels. I've met some of the people working for or in the Commission and Parliament and other agencies. Those people make me sick in how stupid they are. I heard one say 'I am a trainee in law, because I want to help my local community'. You could see the rift between those of us who were in STEM (or at least math adjacent stuff), and the 'humanities' people. We were like, darling, if you want to help your community, you should become something that can open a factory in your community, or an architect, to improve the flow of movement or building standards. The humanities were: 'Shut up, you bigots, they have ConSULtanTS for that.'
alkorisno@reddit
It is clear that by now that EU works for Germany
berikiyan@reddit
And Italy, and Spain, and Baltics, and Poland, and more.
alkorisno@reddit
Not really, just Germany, a little bit Italy,but mostly Germany
berikiyan@reddit
Yeah wait until the prospects of Turkey not containing Russians in the Black Sea and not containing migrant waves in Middle East. Then most countries in the Mediterranean and Balkans will just be an addition 🤗
Capable-Ad-7306@reddit
Turkey 🦃 🦃 🦃 🦃 🦃 is the snake that says trust me I won't bite you. All those politician that praise turkey now they just begging for their defence assistance now that are naked in front of Russian danger. And we all know 🦃 🦃 🦃 doesn't want to be in EU. What it really want is a "special collaboration" to benefit from it without the eu obligations.
CasperGwamm@reddit
Definite NO to Turkey in the EU.
tompa_zg@reddit
My thoughts are the guy is full of it. While all the points he makes are true, he conveniently forgot to mention that Turkey is not a part of Europe or its culture. On top of that, Turkey is currently moving away from EU.
No idea what double standards he's talking about.
Ceramisu@reddit
Was he paid large sums or something when he was in power? Being nice to Turkey after all the backstabbing and sceming, don't even forget the lack of a functioning democracy....it's just pathetic
erratic_thought@reddit
Just don't put women outside of the kitchen and all will be fine.
TechnicianTimely2879@reddit
wtf get this guy banned
DriveByAtanCivciv@reddit
?
JarJarBingChilling@reddit
Cretin
LibertyChecked28@reddit
Nietzsche pilled way of thinking.
K-Hunter-@reddit
Peak Balkan conservative
Ujemegaz@reddit
Name checks out
Super_Sherbet_268@reddit
von der Leyen declared that the EU “must succeed in completing the European continent so that it is not influenced by Russia, Turkey or China.” She urged Europe to “think bigger and more geopolitically,” arguing that the old model of relying on cheap Russian energy, low-cost Chinese labor, and American security guarantees had run its course. Europe, she insisted, must now reposition itself toward greater independence
As someone who reads a lot about geopolitics, this was dumb! Ig Erdogan isn't the only one stopping Turkeye from getting into the EU.
Empty-Pace-4228@reddit
There are 2 types of European
-Those whose IQ is higher than their anti-Turkism
-Those whose IQ is lower than their anti-Turkism
TheRedBaron-7@reddit
Because he got the chair next to Erdogan
Sea_Permission4317@reddit
Who are you? Mehmet from Berlin?
TheRedBaron-7@reddit
Mehmet from Hamburg
Fit-Medicine1583@reddit
Hakan Çalhanoğlu ?
Professional-Tax-547@reddit
Key migration partner 🤣🤣🤣
ATAKURT1453@reddit
kemalists preferred to be europe’s servants rather than becoming king in the MENA. that’s why we’ve been humiliated for the past 60 years.
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
it's "inferiority-complex"
(u can see it on display in this very sub).
Turkey will never, ever be accepted as "European"
Erdogan kinda has the right mindset, on that front.
Muslim world accepts Turkey, Europe - no.
sayinmer@reddit
here we are… obsessed with Turkey, you are, seriously!
EvilInGood@reddit
"Europe doesn't accept Turkey." Okay. "Muslim world accepts Turkey." That's where you are wrong.
ATAKURT1453@reddit
absolutely! for the average middle easterner,north african,pakistani and iranian muslims, turks are role models. being turk or marrying a turk is a matter of prestige for them. these people always approach turks with affection
however, for the average european, turks are no different from animals. they don't even see us as human beings.
most turks, except for those in this sub are aware of this and that is why they have been voting for erdoğan for 25 years.
Ujemegaz@reddit
I don't agree with you, but the way you say it, maybe you should become the king, or the Sultan in such case.
EvilInGood@reddit
"King of MENA" that would have never happened lol. There are many countries competing for influence in the region such as Israel, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc. No matter how good our relations are with some countries, we are not truly favored by them. We might not be accepted into Europe, no doubt about it. But that doesn't mean we would be more powerful if we focused on MENA either.
CataphractBunny@reddit
He's right, but he's also lying by omission. Turkey is neither a European country, nor a part of the European civilization. Furthermore, Turkey is not trying to reform in the direction that brings it closer to EU membership.
CasperGwamm@reddit
Facts.
Punkmo16@reddit
Looks like half of the Croatian population gathered around to jerk each other off telling they are part of the European civilization.
You are a core element to Europe guys. Where would be their cheap holiday destination if it wasn’t for you? Maybe Greece, Montenegro, Albania, Turkey- oh wait literally every other Mediterranean country
wildcardmidlaner@reddit
Why are you wasting your time brother ? Saying that Türkiye is not a part of European civilization is unhinged to a point that doesn't deserve a reply. Coming from someone from the balkans is the cherry on top.
CasperGwamm@reddit
The real circlejerk is you butthurt Turks each time someone speaks the truth. You're so predictable, it's becoming boring.
K-Hunter-@reddit
“European civilisation” hmmm 🤔 does that even have a definition in your mind?
CataphractBunny@reddit
Of course it does.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
enough of this von der whatever
bljujemvatrupecemleb@reddit
the same von der liar who's a dictator-coddling swarm of corruption affairs and who seeks to dismantle democracy?
K-Hunter-@reddit
Von der leğen
TheRedBaron-7@reddit
Von der lağım is more precise
EmreTaptukYunus@reddit
Von der bla bla
CataphractBunny@reddit
He's right, but he's also lying by omission. Someone tell him that Turkey is neither a European country, nor a part of the European civilization. Fuck your dishonesty, Charles. 🖕
SolidSplit1305@reddit
She received her orders from Epstein
LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit
Erdorgan isn't going to suck himself
crivycouriac@reddit
I agree