Are there Borg R&D labs where they work on new weapons and tech? Just because they have a collective mind doesn't mean they don't need an actual physical location to work on new stuff.
Yeah but you don't need a billion people in the hive mind to design a new USB standard. What do the other 99% do?
I think it's like becoming a servitor in Warhammer 40k. A lobotomized cyborg who follows a routine for as long as your biology permits, with no self awareness.
You know, I'm not sure we ever really saw that many "Borg planets" throughout Trek aside from this alternate Earth and that one planet destroyed by the Undine (Species 8472).
They can create their own drones. I forget the episode but during TNG we were shown a borg nursery with un-augmented babies in it. As viewers we were meant to extrapolate that the babies were produced on the ship.
Right, so voyager shows that the Borg take captured kids and babies and put them into maturation pods to be force grown into adulthood, and had one instance of Borg tech just straight up cloning a drone. But this was a one off, “transporter accident” that never happens again.
Like the Borg don’t need to assimilate people, all they need is resources, but the show needed them to be dependent on it and have a reason to constantly be attacking and abducting people.
The episode is Q Who, which is the introduction of the borg. The assimilation aspect was a part of the birg that didn't really get introduced until much later, and as far as I remember, the babies were never referenced again until Lower Decks. That being said, i haven't watched the back half of voyager since childhood, so I can't remember if the babies were brought up in that series.
Thank you for the reminder! I guess it may be time for a Voyager rewatch. I started one a while back but only got up through season 4 before life got in the way.
That was the implication in TNG, but it was retconned in VOY to clarify they only assimilate.
When Seven of Nine saw a fetal Borg drone inside this chamber, she indicated that this was unusual, saying, "I don't understand. The Borg assimilate. They do not reproduce in this fashion."
Yeah, I agree with you, but Earth is the exception. They understand that due to historical importance, this world cannot be left to its own devices. Earth MUST be assimilated.
All in all, I believe an assimilated world is a recognition in itself: This civilization was so powerful and problematic to us, we had to commit to it entirely. Humans, El-Aurians ... you completely remove them or you're cooked.
Other civilizations, you can leave them grow their population while facing the existential dread of being helpless in front of the Borg. Maybe at one point they figure out something useful for the Borg, an d you assimilate a bit more before retreating. These worlds are like fruit trees you care so you can reap the harvest come summer.
Earth getting completely assimilated would also most likely cause the Federation to completely shatter, making the rest of the Alpha/Beta quadrants easy for the Borg to mop up control over.
I imagine it's more efficient to be largely in space. I'm not sure what purpose a Borg-ified planet would serve.
If it were raw materials: asteroids tens to be more abundant and are much easier to access and mine. Even in the case of "rare earth" materials, surely they'd install only the nost necessary equipment on a world to extract them.
... but Trek isn't a documentary and a Borg-ified planet does look cool, so I suppose that's all that really matters.
I think it has to be a salt the earth scenario were you know from all your experience that’s there’s a strong chance a time traveler or a Q or a megachad human android will come along and fuck with you again if you don’t raise earth to the core and shit on it for all time to make sure they can’t come back.
Alternatively it could just be a network thing as even with trans warp corridors there is signal lag in the network so clustering large number of drones locally on a planet with large redundancy for biological maitenance might be required in order to maximize interconnect node processing speed. Likely you would want these spread out like ganglionic nodes or perhaps more centralized still Into a super organismal brain.
A techno-virus like the borg would really just expand exponentially into any ecosystem realistically. All they would need to do to borgify a world would be to detonate some nanoprobe spreading charge in an atmosphere to do so. Pretty low effort, and there really is no reason why the borg wouldnt.
We also only saw Earth for a moment and no other information of that new timeline. I always figured the ramifications of Earth assimilated meant most of the Alpha quadrant was gone.
Since humans were pivotal to the federation formation and stability in the Alpha quadrant the Borg almost certainly had dominated much of the quadrant by then. They had future knowledge of the area and what races would be the greatest threat.
Earth I always considered a hub. They also likely wanted to be thorough in their assimilation.
Are the water and resources all used up on Borg planets, or as a cybernetic organism hivemind do they collectively know their organic part needs the natural resources of planet and preserves those resources accordingly?
I know we're all goofing around here. But im pretty sure individual borgs are completely disposable and will be recycled for nutrients and scrap the moment something goes wrong... unless its deemed they are critical. Like if 95% of the cube is destroyed and the7 still want to achieve a mission.
Enterprise showed borg drones being brought back from the dead after they'd been ejected from their exploded ship and plummeting to the ground from space thanks to their nanites.
I've always been under the impression borg drones are near immortal. Unless they've been essentially vaporized, they'll come back to life eventually.
Plus, Voyager established that they keep a backup of each drone's consciousness, so if they are vaporized, they can just be restored from backup.
(Why yes, I would take the opportunity to become a borg drone if offered, why do you ask?)
I forget the exact episode, but Seven was talking about how it she died, she's wake up back in the collective with no memory of her friends or anything that happened on Voyager, since she obviously hadn't been backed up after she left the collective.
Yes and no, they're a whole lot more resistant than us, but you're also right, we see them abandon or tear Borgs to shreds as soon as one is deemed out of perfect condition.
If seriously injured, probably, but Voyager establishes that drones will repair each other when it's feasible and VOY and TNG both confirm they will go looking for missing drones to pick them up and reintegrate them. Doesn't sound like they're completely disposable. Just... Mostly disposable.
He couldn't stop them from doing something he didn't want them to do. It's also indicated in several episodes that assimilation provides a sense of unity and belonging. His case is also special in that he was assimilated for a particular and almost personalized purpose, which isn't the case for most Borg.
At the cost of completely losing yourself and all autonomy. Im utterly baffled by ppl defending the borg here.
Self medicating to the point of becoming numb mental mush is a better real life analogy to joining the borg... and thats not seen as a good thing for a reason.
Ppl truly believe existing as borg is superior to being alive in the world today is no different than being suicidal and romantizing the calm after death.
I wouldnt even say disposable. You dont risk more resources to go and grab disposable items. I think in some wierd and fucked way the borg is lile a fungus only more sentient. It doesnt want to loose pieces of itself so it uses resources and energy to regain those pieces. I think the borg cares about its drones in the same way you care about your limbs, You will take care of them and use them and only as an asbolute last resort will you let one be removed to save the body.
Bear in mind that everyone's dirty thoughts are likely as accessible to you as yours are to them. You will find your tribes, and your place among them, in the eternal hum of the collective. The bliss you will experience will be beyond your imagination. When you understand, you will be screaming to help every sentient being in the universe realize this same perfection.
we need an episode of trek that goes into the existential horror of troi having to go to sleep on a ship and listen to the thoughts of at least several crewmates whacking their meat to her at that exact moment
What an interesting story line it would have been for the Enterprise to come to the rescue of a civilization that is under Borg threat, only to have that civilization tell the Federation, "No, thanks". Like, "Hey we took a vote. Our civilization is crumbling, we've lost the will and togetherness it takes to fix it. We're tired, boss. You can take Larry and his gang over there who don't want to be assimilated, that's fine. But you'd better split, we've already told the Borg that we're ready. They'll be here in a few".
There’s been a couple of stories in Doctor Who where people have submitted themselves to the Cybermen for conversion for differing reasons, usually because they’re dying.
I like this. A civilization that is dying from something the Federation can't fix (there have been a few story lines like this). Some disease or condition that the Borg can heal through assimilation. They decide that it's better to assimilate into the Borg than lose their collective history altogether. Maybe they even purposely seek out the Borg. Hmmm. Well, I'll be thinking about this all evening.
Not on the planet probably, at least not breathing the atmosphere, given that there is probably borg nanoprobes in the air or something. Same goes for the moon. There might be some small federation hold out elsewhere in the solar system but unlikely given how dire the Earth itself looks at this stage.
Yeah, I guarantee the borg will still have perpetual construction on I-43, 94, and 41. And the state legislature will still kneecap any other transportation options.
I do wonder what happened to the ocean life. What turned the water black? Why demo the atmosphere. Was it intentional or just a byproduct of what they did? So many questions!!
No, the oceans are there they are just really really brown and sludgy (atomosphere too). You can see a lot of localized contamination mixtures making features in the ocean basins liquid but you cannot see any of the ocean floor topology like the mid Atlantic ridges etc. So the borg just stopped running the sewer systems of earth and just let all the biological waste build up as infinitum. I mean borg are still organic so I assume they shit a lot still.
Doubt the borg would allow such an inefficent system of waste removal. nano probes would most likely transport waste matter for reprocessing to the ship during their regeneration cycle
Yeah, but that’s in a nice well maintained cubes with classy drones all wearing their Kryton like robotic diaper (Hip Articulation platform). On a planet why would they bother, just let the drones run around shitting through a metal,grate underneath them and let it sluice into the ocean. The planet bound Borg are all daddy ducking it.
That was my first thought. Then I thought it maybe pollution.
How many posts, and so far, you're the only other person to note that. Everyone is "we got high speed rail!" And where exactly are you going that you need to get there fast? And on when someone decides you can go. I'll take my self-driving car when I want.
(Where is my self-driving car. I was sure we'd be ready by now. Why are they giving it only one eye?)
I always thought that the oceans were gone but it just hit me that they’re not gone. They’re just so heavily polluted that they turned brown. Borg are a menace
With transwarp conduits and advanced transporters, why do the Borg have a need for roads. And why the strange bends in the roads, rails, whatever, in the Atlantic Ocean? Are straight lines too hard?
this image inspired me to a d20 apocalypse campaign, where humans were living on the increasingly borgified planet, so like, a human settlement was like 200 miles from the borg megastructure, but had to move every 5-10 years as it grew closer and put the survivors at risk of assimilation. im actually really proud of this concept.
Wonder how they survived the probe that can't to avenge the whales? I don't see a lot of whale friendly habitat. Perhaps they assimilated the probe. Kirk never thought of that did he
🎶Almost heaven, West Virginia. Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River! Life is old there, older than the trees, younger than the mountains, growin’ like a breeze…🎶
Looking closer, it looks like the oceans are gone. The borg cities at the edges of the land masses stick out into what should be ocean. But there's no borg cities out in what would have been ocean.
Ok, so this really got me thinking. It looks like all land masses have been completely covered with Borg techno-industrial construction. But if you have ever seen those back-of-the-envelope calculations on how much land area it would take to fit every human being next to each other (8 billion people could fit in the 500 sq. mile radius of Los Angeles, or 'The whole world population could live in Rhode Island')... Then that means that vast areas of the Borg earth complex would be uninhabited, or at least very sparsely inhabited. Maintenance would be a nightmare... Very inefficient. It's more logical to compact all available worker drones into a dense space cube.
Oh, and one last thing. Would'nt the Borg have to shut down plate tectonics to make sure their constructions didn't get destroyed over geologic time scales? Can a technologically advanced species even do that?
Honestly, with a couple of tweaks, being a part of the Borg would honestly be the most utopian thing
Make joining a voluntary action, with informed consent
Each member keeps their individuality while still being part of the hive-mind
You never need to worry about going hungry, unhoused, etc. If you need to learn anything, it gets beamed into your brain as part of the hive-mind. You'll never have to worry about being alone or lacking community because you're part of the hive-mind.
Right. Not the party that revels in corruption so much that in California they're going after the guy exposing it. It's literally called the "stop Nick Shirley" bill.
This was a cool callback to TNG where the Borg originally were planet-eaters who stripped out whole planets for resources. I wish it had stayed that way instead of slowing becoming the least scary thing in Trek. Hell, I’d be more afraid of a ship full of Disco-Era Ferengi with that Demon makeup than a Borg these days.
The industry the Borg must have on this one world helps explain how they build so many Cubes, even if ton for con Cubes are about as formidable as flying scrapyards.
I find it weird that borg earth has as high of a population as it does. On Voyager, Species 8472 destroys several entire borg planets, and then the death toll is listed as like 4 milllion Borg, yet earth has like 9 billion.
I guess it’s possible the Borg had already mostly evacuated planets they knew were likely to be targeted by 8472. Or maybe they have some small number of hub worlds that have billions on them. It would make sense for Earth to be such a hub in that timeline; but also it would make a lot of sense if the Borg population was evenly distributed on planets they controlled. And obviously in that timeline they would have used earth as a hub to assimilate pretty much all of the alpha quadrant. The Vulcans, Klingons, etc of the time wouldn’t have put up much of a fight, so the collective would have had lots of planets in addition to earth under their control.
I like to imagine those are just walkable bridges across the atlantic. No need to worry about any drones boredom or wasting energy on transporters or shuttles. They can just walk for a month.
Always felt like they worked out the population (7 million...all Borg) of the Borgified Earth just a bit too quickly. They'd surely have needed to have probes on the other side of the planet at least.
If you know the population of the earth at the time, and are unable to detect human life signatures, it's safe to assume all human life has been assimilated, so the earth's population becomes the number of borg.
RotaryRich@reddit
Why the fuck would the Borg need bridges?
BigZach1@reddit
Finally, the U.S. has high speed rail
NormalAmountOfLimes@reddit
Why do the borg need bridges
BoringRedHorse@reddit
You might be confusing them with flying monkeys. Or Jesus. Borg definitely need bridges.
jackrabbit323@reddit
Once assimilated what do people even do all day? Seems boring being Borg.
BoringRedHorse@reddit
Regenerate primary shield matrix. Remodulate weapons.
Meritania@reddit
You stand in your alcove of self-actualisation until you are required.
mbrady@reddit
Are there Borg R&D labs where they work on new weapons and tech? Just because they have a collective mind doesn't mean they don't need an actual physical location to work on new stuff.
jackrabbit323@reddit
Yeah but you don't need a billion people in the hive mind to design a new USB standard. What do the other 99% do?
I think it's like becoming a servitor in Warhammer 40k. A lobotomized cyborg who follows a routine for as long as your biology permits, with no self awareness.
Spendoza@reddit
Probably silently scream in the prison of their mind.
LedgermanOfTheCones@reddit
Oh so like real life, then.
Spendoza@reddit
kumogate@reddit
You know, I'm not sure we ever really saw that many "Borg planets" throughout Trek aside from this alternate Earth and that one planet destroyed by the Undine (Species 8472).
MrZwink@reddit
It would make sense for the borg to leave certain planets within their space untouched so they would have fresh supplies of drones.
baphometromance@reddit
They can create their own drones. I forget the episode but during TNG we were shown a borg nursery with un-augmented babies in it. As viewers we were meant to extrapolate that the babies were produced on the ship.
FedStarDefense@reddit
Future episodes would indicate those babies were assimilated children, not produced directly by the Borg.
The TNG crew just made a mistake based on their limited data of the time.
Eva-Squinge@reddit
Right, so voyager shows that the Borg take captured kids and babies and put them into maturation pods to be force grown into adulthood, and had one instance of Borg tech just straight up cloning a drone. But this was a one off, “transporter accident” that never happens again.
Like the Borg don’t need to assimilate people, all they need is resources, but the show needed them to be dependent on it and have a reason to constantly be attacking and abducting people.
Choice_Chocolate5866@reddit
yeah, and for some reason people suddenly decided that borg nusery symbol was going to be the Borg logo.
Teamawesome2014@reddit
The episode is Q Who, which is the introduction of the borg. The assimilation aspect was a part of the birg that didn't really get introduced until much later, and as far as I remember, the babies were never referenced again until Lower Decks. That being said, i haven't watched the back half of voyager since childhood, so I can't remember if the babies were brought up in that series.
MrZwink@reddit
They were, asimilated children are matured in maturation chambers. Theres a few scenes eith the bog children, and 7.
Phazon2000@reddit
We’re talking about tank-grown children.
MaintenanceInternal@reddit
Happens in voyager.
MrZwink@reddit
We don't know they have those.
Phazon2000@reddit
Exactly.
Jcolebrand@reddit
Yeah, Voyager goes into it, I think S6.
Shrikes_Bard@reddit
They made an appearance in Lower Decks too so apparently it was still a thing in the post-Voyager era.
DatTomahawk@reddit
I think they were in Voyager too, along with Icheb and the other Borg kids
Teamawesome2014@reddit
Thank you for the reminder! I guess it may be time for a Voyager rewatch. I started one a while back but only got up through season 4 before life got in the way.
my_little_throwny@reddit
https://i.redd.it/9tdyr8to7zwg1.gif
Arthur_Edens@reddit
That was the implication in TNG, but it was retconned in VOY to clarify they only assimilate.
Meritania@reddit
I assume pregnant women are assimilated leading the need to nurture fetal drones.
I suspect egg laying species don’t have the same luxury.
Silenceisgrey@reddit
Will there be an egg?
MrZwink@reddit
Pretty sure the borg are smart enough to figure out an incubation chamber.
Silenceisgrey@reddit
500 incubation chambers
MrZwink@reddit
A whole incubation world!
MrZwink@reddit
I always figured it was a maturation chamber.
Live-End-6467@reddit
Yeah, I agree with you, but Earth is the exception. They understand that due to historical importance, this world cannot be left to its own devices. Earth MUST be assimilated.
All in all, I believe an assimilated world is a recognition in itself: This civilization was so powerful and problematic to us, we had to commit to it entirely. Humans, El-Aurians ... you completely remove them or you're cooked.
Other civilizations, you can leave them grow their population while facing the existential dread of being helpless in front of the Borg. Maybe at one point they figure out something useful for the Borg, an d you assimilate a bit more before retreating. These worlds are like fruit trees you care so you can reap the harvest come summer.
Scarsworn@reddit
Earth getting completely assimilated would also most likely cause the Federation to completely shatter, making the rest of the Alpha/Beta quadrants easy for the Borg to mop up control over.
Special-Strength-959@reddit
Especially since it was done in the 21st century before the Federation existed.
kumogate@reddit
I imagine it's more efficient to be largely in space. I'm not sure what purpose a Borg-ified planet would serve.
If it were raw materials: asteroids tens to be more abundant and are much easier to access and mine. Even in the case of "rare earth" materials, surely they'd install only the nost necessary equipment on a world to extract them.
... but Trek isn't a documentary and a Borg-ified planet does look cool, so I suppose that's all that really matters.
Excess-human@reddit
I think it has to be a salt the earth scenario were you know from all your experience that’s there’s a strong chance a time traveler or a Q or a megachad human android will come along and fuck with you again if you don’t raise earth to the core and shit on it for all time to make sure they can’t come back.
Alternatively it could just be a network thing as even with trans warp corridors there is signal lag in the network so clustering large number of drones locally on a planet with large redundancy for biological maitenance might be required in order to maximize interconnect node processing speed. Likely you would want these spread out like ganglionic nodes or perhaps more centralized still Into a super organismal brain.
MrZwink@reddit
A techno-virus like the borg would really just expand exponentially into any ecosystem realistically. All they would need to do to borgify a world would be to detonate some nanoprobe spreading charge in an atmosphere to do so. Pretty low effort, and there really is no reason why the borg wouldnt.
UlteriorCulture@reddit
Just because I'm a voidborn driven-assimilator doesn't mean I'm not going to convert some planets to machine worlds.
Totoronyx@reddit
We also only saw Earth for a moment and no other information of that new timeline. I always figured the ramifications of Earth assimilated meant most of the Alpha quadrant was gone.
Since humans were pivotal to the federation formation and stability in the Alpha quadrant the Borg almost certainly had dominated much of the quadrant by then. They had future knowledge of the area and what races would be the greatest threat.
Earth I always considered a hub. They also likely wanted to be thorough in their assimilation.
Choice_Chocolate5866@reddit
If the borg went back to assimilate earth, the federation never forms....
Also, the borg have a foothold in the beta quadrant during a time of a fractured, infighting, and backwards(technologically) time period.
Where the federation was finally able to get its shit together, and unite.... the borg were beaten back.
Taking earth out of the equation before it ever even reaches the stars.... that means that your outlook is actually optimistic.
Emergency-Gazelle954@reddit
Wait, 8472 has a name??
kumogate@reddit
Non-canonically. The name comes from Star Trek: Online. I'm not personally a fan of it, but I guess I don't really care all that much either.
Choice_Chocolate5866@reddit
Star Trek Online is now logo'd with CBS, so yeah... the Undine are official canon.
Nawnp@reddit
Given the Borg seem to do their bases with a bunch of ships in a nebula, you're right.
_frank_tank@reddit
At least the US finally got a high speed rail system.
joshdick@reddit
Say what you will about the Borg, but at least they made the trains run on time
Public-Policy24@reddit
on time is irrelevant
Silenceisgrey@reddit
i come for the ambiance, but i stay for the il deuce references
Activision19@reddit
But why do the Borg need rail? They have transporters?
_frank_tank@reddit
Have you seen the views between unimatrix 1 and 16? Resistance to that sunset is futile!
kirchart7@reddit
Are the water and resources all used up on Borg planets, or as a cybernetic organism hivemind do they collectively know their organic part needs the natural resources of planet and preserves those resources accordingly?
Jedi4Hire@reddit
Given how things are going right now, I'm almost willing to hear the Borg's pitch.
bosssoldier@reddit
Your telling me id have friends, free housing, free nutrition, and really good medical care. Yeah sign me up
98983x3@reddit
"Really good medical healthcare"
I know we're all goofing around here. But im pretty sure individual borgs are completely disposable and will be recycled for nutrients and scrap the moment something goes wrong... unless its deemed they are critical. Like if 95% of the cube is destroyed and the7 still want to achieve a mission.
BombTime1010@reddit
Enterprise showed borg drones being brought back from the dead after they'd been ejected from their exploded ship and plummeting to the ground from space thanks to their nanites.
I've always been under the impression borg drones are near immortal. Unless they've been essentially vaporized, they'll come back to life eventually.
Plus, Voyager established that they keep a backup of each drone's consciousness, so if they are vaporized, they can just be restored from backup.
(Why yes, I would take the opportunity to become a borg drone if offered, why do you ask?)
RUacronym@reddit
What episode did they establish that they back up individual drone consciousness? I don't remember them ever saying that
BombTime1010@reddit
I forget the exact episode, but Seven was talking about how it she died, she's wake up back in the collective with no memory of her friends or anything that happened on Voyager, since she obviously hadn't been backed up after she left the collective.
Nawnp@reddit
Yes and no, they're a whole lot more resistant than us, but you're also right, we see them abandon or tear Borgs to shreds as soon as one is deemed out of perfect condition.
freylaverse@reddit
If seriously injured, probably, but Voyager establishes that drones will repair each other when it's feasible and VOY and TNG both confirm they will go looking for missing drones to pick them up and reintegrate them. Doesn't sound like they're completely disposable. Just... Mostly disposable.
isthisonetaken13@reddit
Beats being a drone in late-stage capitalist America.
98983x3@reddit
This is a genuinely unhinged perspective
crp5591@reddit
Is it though?
98983x3@reddit
Yes. 1000% yes.
Dont believe me? How did Picard feel about assimilation?
HesJoshDisGuyUno@reddit
He couldn't stop them from doing something he didn't want them to do. It's also indicated in several episodes that assimilation provides a sense of unity and belonging. His case is also special in that he was assimilated for a particular and almost personalized purpose, which isn't the case for most Borg.
98983x3@reddit
At the cost of completely losing yourself and all autonomy. Im utterly baffled by ppl defending the borg here.
Self medicating to the point of becoming numb mental mush is a better real life analogy to joining the borg... and thats not seen as a good thing for a reason.
Ppl truly believe existing as borg is superior to being alive in the world today is no different than being suicidal and romantizing the calm after death.
HesJoshDisGuyUno@reddit
Yes, I do believe you've grasped where people are coming from here, welcome to the conversation.
98983x3@reddit
Are you saying ppl would rather be dead than alive right now? And THAT is the conversation you so condescendingly are welcoming me to??
bosssoldier@reddit
At least the borg care
bosssoldier@reddit
I wouldnt even say disposable. You dont risk more resources to go and grab disposable items. I think in some wierd and fucked way the borg is lile a fungus only more sentient. It doesnt want to loose pieces of itself so it uses resources and energy to regain those pieces. I think the borg cares about its drones in the same way you care about your limbs, You will take care of them and use them and only as an asbolute last resort will you let one be removed to save the body.
_Gordon_Shumway@reddit
So things would be pretty much the same as now?
TacohTuesday@reddit
"We'd" have friends, free housing, etc. Not "I'd". There's no more "I".
bosssoldier@reddit
We are gonna kick our ass if we correct ourselves again. We are I for now till later than we will be our and we will haunt our head.
regeya@reddit
You'll never be alone. And never again will you have to worry about some narcissistic asshole possibly destroying civilization.
allthecoffeesDP@reddit
Yeah. No Borg ever destroyed a civilization.
BellowsHikes@reddit
Unless its the Borg Queen. She'd happily sacrifice a few billion drones if let her do some over-the-pants stuff with Data.
Scarsworn@reddit
That’s the thing though, if We Are Borg, then we’re all the Queen. And honestly that was pretty based of them.
spiderland5150@reddit
Irrelevant. I don't want the whole collective hearing my dirty thoughts! That's almost worse than having a hot, mind-reading coworker...
HesJoshDisGuyUno@reddit
Bear in mind that everyone's dirty thoughts are likely as accessible to you as yours are to them. You will find your tribes, and your place among them, in the eternal hum of the collective. The bliss you will experience will be beyond your imagination. When you understand, you will be screaming to help every sentient being in the universe realize this same perfection.
Camiolpo@reddit
Wait. We plurbin or borgin? Is there a diff?
CosmicWhorer@reddit
Resistance is futile
Camiolpo@reddit
Oh that would suc- 😮
Silenceisgrey@reddit
we need an episode of trek that goes into the existential horror of troi having to go to sleep on a ship and listen to the thoughts of at least several crewmates whacking their meat to her at that exact moment
Johnsendall@reddit
And what appears to be a decent nights sleep.
LogicalRaise1928@reddit
I bet they also have trains, lots and lots of hi speed trains!
r2-z2@reddit
My telling you
lifegoodis@reddit
It's a pretty standard hail, I suspect you've heard it already.
tomcat_tweaker@reddit
What an interesting story line it would have been for the Enterprise to come to the rescue of a civilization that is under Borg threat, only to have that civilization tell the Federation, "No, thanks". Like, "Hey we took a vote. Our civilization is crumbling, we've lost the will and togetherness it takes to fix it. We're tired, boss. You can take Larry and his gang over there who don't want to be assimilated, that's fine. But you'd better split, we've already told the Borg that we're ready. They'll be here in a few".
Meritania@reddit
There’s been a couple of stories in Doctor Who where people have submitted themselves to the Cybermen for conversion for differing reasons, usually because they’re dying.
tomcat_tweaker@reddit
I like this. A civilization that is dying from something the Federation can't fix (there have been a few story lines like this). Some disease or condition that the Borg can heal through assimilation. They decide that it's better to assimilate into the Borg than lose their collective history altogether. Maybe they even purposely seek out the Borg. Hmmm. Well, I'll be thinking about this all evening.
oreotoast@reddit
“Pitches are irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.”
Oliver_DeNom@reddit
As long as they have vision and dental.
UtahBrian@reddit
With my eyesight getting worse as I age, I really want one those eye lasers like Locutus had. Wild the Borg heath plan cover it without any co-pay?
Oliver_DeNom@reddit
I hear pre-existing conditions aren't really an issue with these guys. They're Swedish.
Effective-Board-353@reddit
Technically, they're artificial Swedeners.
9CaptainRaymondHolt9@reddit
Disco425@reddit
What the heck, let's hear him out.
fonik@reddit
The US finally gets high speed rail, from the looks of it.
Enough_Worry4104@reddit
Oh silly! Let the tech bro dickheads keep going and we will become the borg ourselves! Mindless slaves to a digitized overmind.
Snarblox@reddit
I like how Miami and Milwaukee are like hubs, I always thought this was a cool scene of a worst-case scenario
Fibonaccitos@reddit
Looks like the Borg travel to Cancun frequently
Choice_Chocolate5866@reddit
and Havana.
where the sun is warm, and so is the collective...
IntelJoe@reddit
It's pronounced Mil-a-wa-kay
MaintenanceInternal@reddit
I always wondered if there's any humans alive anywhere, some little enclave that's just hiding somewhere.
Snarblox@reddit
Not on the planet probably, at least not breathing the atmosphere, given that there is probably borg nanoprobes in the air or something. Same goes for the moon. There might be some small federation hold out elsewhere in the solar system but unlikely given how dire the Earth itself looks at this stage.
Whole_Maybe5914@reddit
The line landing in Cardiff, the home of the Cybermen, is apt.
Ceylonese-Honour@reddit
The Rift has been active...
anglog2@reddit
Reasonable_Bug3221@reddit
IOW1@reddit
https://i.redd.it/ik6vkaxg3vwg1.gif
my_little_throwny@reddit
https://i.redd.it/lccnpc497zwg1.gif
Redwingedblackbird81@reddit
Having to go thru Milwaukee for every time you need to travel does sound pretty bad, lol.
vonrollin@reddit
Yeah, I guarantee the borg will still have perpetual construction on I-43, 94, and 41. And the state legislature will still kneecap any other transportation options.
UrguthaForka@reddit
And Detroit
DecentWrench@reddit
Such a fucking classic. I still quote Dr Klahn to this day.
SimplySinCos@reddit
A TOY ROBOT!!!!
BobSki778@reddit
Honestly almost looks more like Madison than Milwaukee.
Choice_Chocolate5866@reddit
The cow farts really tie the planet together.
InTheChairAgain@reddit
looks like only Canada, US and Mexico was tech teched, while Europe was just strip mined.
WaveFormTX@reddit
What the hell did they do to the oceans?
dinosaursrarr@reddit
The only way you're getting public transport in America
Eh_SorryCanadian@reddit
Interesting, they have done something to the great lakes and my home of Nova Scotia seems to be an island now
ReubenTrinidad619@reddit
The fuck did they do to the oceans?
Mysterious_Pain8488@reddit
they assimilated india.
KorEl555@reddit
Three comments on pollution, against how many high speed rails.
Bierdaddy@reddit
Data centers really hit a high under Borg rule. Gotta cool the bots.
EndlessRadiation@reddit
Thats not borg, that's the size of future data centers
ThePrisonSoap@reddit
That looks like the baked potato I forgot in the fire pit two years ago
seriouspretender@reddit
I do wonder what happened to the ocean life. What turned the water black? Why demo the atmosphere. Was it intentional or just a byproduct of what they did? So many questions!!
GalileoAce@reddit
They didn't bother terraforming the landmasses into more efficient forms
N7_Warden@reddit
And with d.ump in charge we are heading that way
SeniorSolipsist@reddit
Reminds me of the old usenet group alt.pave.the.earth
sacredlunatic@reddit
OK, Elon Musk.
MrEPCOT@reddit
It'd be funny if they left Florida completely normal-looking, as if the Borg didn't want it.
Doogie_Gooberman@reddit
I mean, we know for a fact they "spare" or pass over species who have nothing to offer them... so it makes sense they'd skip over Floridians.
Meritania@reddit
There is a black sludge all around it… then the Borg came…
3Duder@reddit
Can't wait to visit Borglando, Florida
stefani1034@reddit
at least america finally got highspeed rail
Camiolpo@reddit
What happened to lake Erie!?
WhiteSquarez@reddit
Did they drain the oceans?
I know AI data centers use a lot of water, but a whole ocean?
Excess-human@reddit
No, the oceans are there they are just really really brown and sludgy (atomosphere too). You can see a lot of localized contamination mixtures making features in the ocean basins liquid but you cannot see any of the ocean floor topology like the mid Atlantic ridges etc. So the borg just stopped running the sewer systems of earth and just let all the biological waste build up as infinitum. I mean borg are still organic so I assume they shit a lot still.
Silenceisgrey@reddit
Doubt the borg would allow such an inefficent system of waste removal. nano probes would most likely transport waste matter for reprocessing to the ship during their regeneration cycle
Excess-human@reddit
Yeah, but that’s in a nice well maintained cubes with classy drones all wearing their Kryton like robotic diaper (Hip Articulation platform). On a planet why would they bother, just let the drones run around shitting through a metal,grate underneath them and let it sluice into the ocean. The planet bound Borg are all daddy ducking it.
Silenceisgrey@reddit
thats horrific and i like it
WhiteSquarez@reddit
Yeah, makes sense.
Sandy beaches and blue skies are irrelevant.
KorEl555@reddit
That was my first thought. Then I thought it maybe pollution.
How many posts, and so far, you're the only other person to note that. Everyone is "we got high speed rail!" And where exactly are you going that you need to get there fast? And on when someone decides you can go. I'll take my self-driving car when I want.
(Where is my self-driving car. I was sure we'd be ready by now. Why are they giving it only one eye?)
semperknight@reddit
We can still do this. Two words: Unregulated capitalism
DarkwingDawg@reddit
I always thought that the oceans were gone but it just hit me that they’re not gone. They’re just so heavily polluted that they turned brown. Borg are a menace
redtert@reddit
Be patient, we're headed that way
45runs@reddit
Say what you like about the Borg but the buses run on time
PIB_OnOn@reddit
I bet they got High-Speed rail working.
jamesoloughlin@reddit
Happy Earth Day
jamesoloughlin@reddit
Anyone play the video game Scorn? I imagine Earth here is something like that looks exploited into oblivion.
jamesoloughlin@reddit
Probably terrible air though
https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/s/LTWeMOQEPw
Mima-x2@reddit
Florida reminds me of a silverfish. (It’s a bug for the uninitiated.)
Swimming-Syrup8400@reddit
I remember the first time I saw that scene and the chills it gave me.
Fermento420@reddit
With transwarp conduits and advanced transporters, why do the Borg have a need for roads. And why the strange bends in the roads, rails, whatever, in the Atlantic Ocean? Are straight lines too hard?
GelatinousCube7@reddit
this image inspired me to a d20 apocalypse campaign, where humans were living on the increasingly borgified planet, so like, a human settlement was like 200 miles from the borg megastructure, but had to move every 5-10 years as it grew closer and put the survivors at risk of assimilation. im actually really proud of this concept.
KoolColoradan@reddit
Sounds like something a Borg would say….
brainstorm4twenty@reddit
Assimilated Earth
DocStrangeLoop@reddit
The borg went back in time to bring america free healthcare.
Detroit_debauchery@reddit
“Earth is Borg now!” - David Simms
djevilatw@reddit
Still tons of traffic on the LIE…
Leucurus@reddit
Yeah I can't wait
Irishwol@reddit
Wonder how they survived the probe that can't to avenge the whales? I don't see a lot of whale friendly habitat. Perhaps they assimilated the probe. Kirk never thought of that did he
Karrik478@reddit
Chicagoland looks like a crater that filled with water?
NormalAmountOfLimes@reddit
So....normal?
the_duke_of_mook@reddit
What happened to Europe and Africa?
EatLard@reddit
Florida to the Yucatán in two hours by train. Incredible.
rebelbumscum19@reddit
Breathe in that sweet sweet fluorine
i_kick_hippies@reddit
Wonder why they liked West Virginia so much?
Pumpkin-Spice_Queen@reddit
🎶Almost heaven, West Virginia. Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River! Life is old there, older than the trees, younger than the mountains, growin’ like a breeze…🎶
Meritania@reddit
This temporal information irrelevant but the environment will make for a sufficient mining operation and biological nutrient processing.
Darmok47@reddit
They assimilated the mustic of John Denver
CAB_IV@reddit
They don't, it was just that West Virginia refuses to be assimilated and so they have to pile on.
undepressor@reddit
even in this picture, the Borg have still not located every valley
freylaverse@reddit
The country roads took them home.
alainisard@reddit
9 billion all Borg and you know that 1 billion of them are in Central Florida.
TheOriginalGuru@reddit
That’s where the old Borg go to retire.
alainisard@reddit
Assimilated Acres!
NovaCatNX92007@reddit
It only took Assimilation for all of the United States to get free healthcare and public transportation.
KorEl555@reddit
Free health care means they don't charge you for the bullet when they put you down to avoid infecting the rest of the collective.
NovaCatNX92007@reddit
Borg don't use bullets. They use Plasma bolts.
Fibonaccitos@reddit
At least they don’t layover in Atlanta
One-Technology-9050@reddit
Do the Borg assimilate animals and fish?
Redwingedblackbird81@reddit
At least Detroit looks to be thriving.
Excess-human@reddit
I Just realized the Nova Scotia in Canada just got obliterated, what the fuck happened in Truro, NS during the borg invasion ?.?..
Excess-human@reddit
Baja California in Mexico didn’t fair well either
ThatDarnRosco@reddit
Honestly a best case scenario for Florida and the states right now.
wolf101123@reddit
Always through the oceans were gone, or are they just brown now?
Excess-human@reddit
the oceans are there just brown and gross, note no continental shelf’s or mid Atlantic ridges visible so cannot be ocean basin directly.
KorEl555@reddit
Looking closer, it looks like the oceans are gone. The borg cities at the edges of the land masses stick out into what should be ocean. But there's no borg cities out in what would have been ocean.
KorEl555@reddit
Okay, two comments about the pollution.
reu0808@reddit
Ok, so this really got me thinking. It looks like all land masses have been completely covered with Borg techno-industrial construction. But if you have ever seen those back-of-the-envelope calculations on how much land area it would take to fit every human being next to each other (8 billion people could fit in the 500 sq. mile radius of Los Angeles, or 'The whole world population could live in Rhode Island')... Then that means that vast areas of the Borg earth complex would be uninhabited, or at least very sparsely inhabited. Maintenance would be a nightmare... Very inefficient. It's more logical to compact all available worker drones into a dense space cube.
Oh, and one last thing. Would'nt the Borg have to shut down plate tectonics to make sure their constructions didn't get destroyed over geologic time scales? Can a technologically advanced species even do that?
It is cool though.
Excess-human@reddit
The Borg adapt to anything, even a slight variance in plates
Cornflakes_91@reddit
or you just adapt to the couple of cm of shift around the fault lines
Reasonable_Spray5378@reddit
Did they drain the oceans?
Atherutistgeekzombie@reddit
Honestly, with a couple of tweaks, being a part of the Borg would honestly be the most utopian thing
Make joining a voluntary action, with informed consent
Each member keeps their individuality while still being part of the hive-mind
You never need to worry about going hungry, unhoused, etc. If you need to learn anything, it gets beamed into your brain as part of the hive-mind. You'll never have to worry about being alone or lacking community because you're part of the hive-mind.
DangerousQuestions1@reddit
I'm down. The Borg Queen would be a better leader than any Republican.
KorEl555@reddit
Right. Not the party that revels in corruption so much that in California they're going after the guy exposing it. It's literally called the "stop Nick Shirley" bill.
androidguy50@reddit
Well what do you know...... Resistance really was futile...... 😆
stellarvelocity@reddit
This was a cool callback to TNG where the Borg originally were planet-eaters who stripped out whole planets for resources. I wish it had stayed that way instead of slowing becoming the least scary thing in Trek. Hell, I’d be more afraid of a ship full of Disco-Era Ferengi with that Demon makeup than a Borg these days.
penguins-are-me@reddit
I’d live there. Imagine all the tech!
Boxinggandhi@reddit
Imagine being the Borg IT guy?
mbrady@reddit
"Have we tried unplugging it and plugging it back in again?"
Electronic-Country63@reddit
Imagine the harmony!
MrZwink@reddit
I bet it smells like farts.
always-wanting-more@reddit
Probably like an electrical fire but with rotten eggs on top of the fire.
MrZwink@reddit
With a dash of industrial libricant.
always-wanting-more@reddit
Oh, yeah. Like the hint of a confusing clean smell that doesn't belong.
MrZwink@reddit
Is that lylac?
Woozletania@reddit
The industry the Borg must have on this one world helps explain how they build so many Cubes, even if ton for con Cubes are about as formidable as flying scrapyards.
dividezero@reddit
I'm down for the Mexico City to NOLA bridge baby
EasySqueezy_@reddit
This and the destruction of Veridian III are some of my favorite visuals from the TNG movies.
tvmediaguy@reddit
As a Floridian… I don’t like being a nexus for unwelcome borg tentacles.
xixtoo@reddit
I bet they have high speed rail across all of North America… sigh
ConstructionIll956@reddit
Fair but then we're also all Borg.
UtahBrian@reddit
The Borg have closed access to the Gulf of America through the Straits of Cuba so that they can toll shipping and hold the galactic economy hostage.
bonbon196@reddit
Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of america)
very-dumb@reddit
It looks like they have AMAZING public transit
Kaurifish@reddit
Not if you ever played SimEarth.
crp5591@reddit
Only took getting Borgified to get mass transit right in North America...
Illustrious-Peace989@reddit
I’d love to see what the surface looks like from the ground
Friendly-Score8257@reddit
You and I have different ideas about what “pretty cool” looks like, shrug
BronzeTrain@reddit
I bet they have high speed rail everywhere. :(
serial_crusher@reddit
I find it weird that borg earth has as high of a population as it does. On Voyager, Species 8472 destroys several entire borg planets, and then the death toll is listed as like 4 milllion Borg, yet earth has like 9 billion.
I guess it’s possible the Borg had already mostly evacuated planets they knew were likely to be targeted by 8472. Or maybe they have some small number of hub worlds that have billions on them. It would make sense for Earth to be such a hub in that timeline; but also it would make a lot of sense if the Borg population was evenly distributed on planets they controlled. And obviously in that timeline they would have used earth as a hub to assimilate pretty much all of the alpha quadrant. The Vulcans, Klingons, etc of the time wouldn’t have put up much of a fight, so the collective would have had lots of planets in addition to earth under their control.
mi__to__@reddit
If you like everything looking like you're playing Quake, sure.
SirJedKingsdown@reddit
It does look pretty metal.
onestarv2@reddit
I like to imagine those are just walkable bridges across the atlantic. No need to worry about any drones boredom or wasting energy on transporters or shuttles. They can just walk for a month.
Sniper666hell@reddit
So, shouldn’t borg be efficient and since they are aiming for perfection not be polluting everything making oceans brown?
PangolinMandolin@reddit
The inefficiency of that path to the UK is bugging me
randalx@reddit
Looks like they installed a lot of high speed rail.
PissOnFences@reddit
East coast will be assimilated. Except fucking Pittsburgh, and anyone near it.
LazyTonight1575@reddit
Looks like a recent photo of Pluto they were able to take.
Able_Resident_1291@reddit
Always felt like they worked out the population (7 million...all Borg) of the Borgified Earth just a bit too quickly. They'd surely have needed to have probes on the other side of the planet at least.
baphometromance@reddit
If you know the population of the earth at the time, and are unable to detect human life signatures, it's safe to assume all human life has been assimilated, so the earth's population becomes the number of borg.
Ok-Bowler-203@reddit
I think it was actually 9 BILLION.
I-am-not-Herbert@reddit
It was "Nine billion. All Borg."
OhNoIBoffedIt@reddit
Magic sensors can see light-years.
Gregbot3000@reddit
Looks like they really prioritized mass transit.
Live-End-6467@reddit
Florida looks like an expanding virus... Shit we're in the Borg timeline
Desertortoise@reddit
The Borg have a sick high speed rail network
dreadwhimsy@reddit
New Orleans infrastructure is booming.