On the day when Ukraine got a 90 billion EUR loan from EU, loan guaranteed by the member states, it was announced that Rinat Akhmetov Ukraine’s Richest Man Bought a Monaco Flat for Record $550 Million. How do you feel about it?

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Suitable-Decision-26@reddit

What does one have to do with the other?

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Well, a big portion of those 90 billion EUR (that 24 EU countries will pay for, at default) will go to DTEK a Ukrainian energy company that belongs to Akhmatov. You and me are paying for Akhmetov’s Monaco apartment

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Suitable-Decision-26@reddit

Says you.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Read about it, don’t take my word for it

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Suitable-Decision-26@reddit

Ok, I am open to it. Give sources.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Reading the comments from this post and the links will give you enough information

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Suitable-Decision-26@reddit

I see. So for you to prove your point I need to spend like several hours reading all the comments and links, because somehow you cannot be bothered to give me sources, because... Well I don't know. I guess you know best and we are the "NPCs"

"Says you" stands.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Should I lose my time and copy the same information again in a reply directly to you, because you are too lazy to read something that is already available?

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Suitable-Decision-26@reddit

Oh, no copy pasting several links is such an effort to prove that we pay for this guy's apartment...

Go discover more government secrets big boy, the world is counting on you.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

I guess the world’s top intelligence was born south of Danube. I didn’t know, but now I stand corrected. You know better than anyone

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InevitableWest6515@reddit

And I bought a phone, WOW. Please don’t make a news for that

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Well, I didn’t pay for your phone

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InevitableWest6515@reddit

Yes, because I’m politician and I stole your money

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

If I were to make a parallel, the seller of the phone scammed you to buy it, gave you a empty box with no phone inside and you took the money from my wallet to pay for it

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InevitableWest6515@reddit

Good one 😂😂😂

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

What does one have to do with the other? Is this some Russian bot spreading lies again?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Belgium has guaranteed that loan too. This is where your taxes are going.

Sure, everyone that is not speaking what you like is a Russian bot…

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Substratas@reddit

Belgium has guaranteed that loan too. This is where your taxes are going.

I mean, his taxes were going to your country too at some point so let’s not go there…

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Belgium is a major beneficiary of EU funds, not a contributor

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

Yes and? Ukraine defense isn't just fro Ukraine, it's for all of us. I gladly give my tax dollars to them then to my own politicians

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Those money will be stolen like all the money previously given and they will ask for more

I don’t want to give my tax dollars to Ukraine

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

Ah, so pure Russian propaganda then. Okay then... At least try to be less obvious...

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Pelya1@reddit

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

Do you think much changed ? And for the better or worse ? Do you also believe in magic ?

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

You think EU just gives this to Ukraine without any supervision or stipulations? Do you believe in magic? And an article of 2015 isn't really relevant anymore. Much has changed, for one a government that is EU aligned.

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Pelya1@reddit

Ukraine became eu- aligned since Maidan 2014. Si the war in donbass against Russian backed separatists began same year. So the article from 2015 is talking about pro-eu, war time Ukraine, just like it is now.

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

You are being so disingenuous. But then again, that's your intent isn't it ....

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Slow_Ad2458@reddit

ok then a useful stooge.
Because this appartmetn and that loan are not connected in a way you suggest - at all.

Unless you want to critique globalism, then I'm all for it.

But you probably would have to start with Everyone in Europe, Paying through their nose to the UAE and the ilk for the energy.

Basically probably just Albania, paid to UAE enough to build 2 Burj-Khalifa buildings

Energy independence, now!

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

No idea what you are saying, you seem to be in delirium tremens.

The money from the loan will be stolen, like all the money previously given to Ukraine and they will ask for more. A big portion of those money will go to DTEK which belongs to Akhmetov

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Pelya1@reddit

Lie about what ? That the loan is to be given or that the purchase was made ?

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

Well the loan so far is not even officially approved for now. And the lie or implied lie here is that these two things are somehow connected?

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Pelya1@reddit

https://amp.dw.com/en/eu-unblocks-90-billion-loan-to-ukraine/a-76895753

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Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit

Preliminary approval. but still, that's great! 👍 Finally Orban can't block it anymore

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Substratas@reddit

Good.

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Cefalopodul@reddit

Why should I feel anything about that?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Because you might be paying taxes…

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Cefalopodul@reddit

And?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

This is where your taxes are going

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Immediate_Rhubarb430@reddit

Do you have any evidence other than coincidence in time?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

The money will be stolen, like all the money that were previously given to Ukraine. A large portion of those will be given to DTEK which belongs to Akhmatova

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Immediate_Rhubarb430@reddit

So are we just making random assertions without evidence?

Here's one

u/eferalgan is part of a Russian influence campaign!

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tiga_94@reddit

"The money will be stolen, like all the money that were previously given to Ukraine" any sources ?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

This is public knowledge. A simple google search will generate multiple results from the people caught stealing funds ( the latest scandal has 2 people close to Zelensky that fled to Israel because they were about to be arrested and where his chief of staff resigned).

An US agency did at one point an audit and found that 60-70% of the funds were stolen. That is mostly the reason why USA only mostly provided weapons and not cash (except in the beginning)

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tiga_94@reddit

So if Ukraine steals all the help it means they have been fighting ruzzians invaders on their own? Wow, very cool, Ukraine must be a super power

I am still waiting for any source to your claim.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-mindich-corruption-scandal-zelenskyy-war-russia/33592550.html

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/corruption-scandal-rocks-ukraine-as-it-fights-for-survival-against-russias-invasion

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/02/15/ukraine-says-former-minister-named-in-corruption-scandal-arrested-as-he-tried-to-leave-country_6750507_4.html

https://www.csis.org/analysis/where-missing-100-billion-us-aid-ukraine

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/28/1227447442/ukraine-says-corrupt-officials-stole-40-million-meant-to-buy-arms-for-the-war

This was a quick google search. Much more if you have time

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tiga_94@reddit

This doesn't look like stealing all the money, I am still waiting for sources to your aim

And the 100 billion link quotes Zelensky that Ukraine received less than US claims, how does it prove any corruption?

Also why are you wasting my time with unrelated articles like this?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Ok, you are hopeless. Either you are Ukrainian therefore you have an interest in playing dumb or you are divorced from reality. No point in wasting time with you

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No-Championship-4632@reddit

"Trust me bro".

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Cefalopodul@reddit

Actually they're not. Romania is a net beneficiary, so we get more EU funds than we give. And even if they were, where exactly is the problem?

Are you trying to imply that Ukraine will give the money to Ahmetov? I hope not, because that would a very very stupid thing to imply.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Actually they are. The money that we receive are for development, for investment in order to improve the economy and institutions and to bring them to EU level. Like any other EU country.

I am saying that there are plenty of money in Ukraine, this loan is a waste, these money should be spent in EU countries; instead some of them will go to DTEK which is an energy company that belongs to Ahkmetov

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Cefalopodul@reddit

Actually they aren't. Learn how taxes work in Romania and the EU is funded before commenting.

I am saying that there are plenty of money in Ukraine, this loan is a waste, these money should be spent in EU countries; instead some of them will go to DTEK which is an energy company that belongs to Ahkmetov

There isn't plenty of money in Ukraine. This is not shithole Russia, you don't go about confiscating people's money.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Care to explain your arguments or you are just commenting like an idiot. I took the tine to explain what I was trying to say…

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Cefalopodul@reddit

Doesn't understand how Romanian taxes and Romania's EU contributions work.

Calls other people idiot.

Deliciously ironic.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Honestly, are you that dumb, that you don’t know how EU funds work?

EU funds are allocated on projects, they are not free money that are paid in the budget. For instance when the government needs to build a bridge, some of the money- let’s say 50% for the construction of that bridge comes from EU. For every project the government has to pay its share. There are no free money that comes in the budget and the government spends them whatever it pleases.

On the taxes part, the biggest part of them are going to the government budget- the income taxes. The local taxes are peanuts. Apparently you don’t have a job, because you would know this. Easy to argue on Reddit from your mommy basement.

Another thing that you don’t know about: the majority of EU budget comes from the contributions of the top economies of the union, a percentage from their budgets. Not fines or fees…

România pays also from its budget to EU budget. So all the money paid by România to Ukraine are literally from its budget. So when this loan will get into default, Romania will pay 1/23 of 90 billion EUR.

Ukraine got hundreds of billions EUR since 2022 and they stole the money and always ask for more. No other EU country got the huge amount of money that Ukraine did. This is why the Ukrainian oligarchs are buying apartments with more than half of a billion dollars.

Anyway, you are a moron, you don’t know anything about an. You just like to waste time online talking about subjects that you have no idea about. You are a jackasd

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Cefalopodul@reddit

I do know how EU funds work. I also understand that projects that are covered by EU funds means the government does not have to spend that money so any money Romania pays to the EU is completely canceled by the money Romania saves by having EU funded projects and the tax money made from those projects after they're finished.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

No! You don’t know anything.

The money are not “canceled” by any incoming funds. There are no relation between the two. The EU budget contributions have to be paid from the national budget to EU budget. The EU funds are paid “on projects”. Sometimes if the project is not done or not done in time, the money gets lost.

No correlation between the two.

When the loan will default, România will have to pay 4 billion EUR since

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AibofobicRacecar6996@reddit

You understand the word loan, right?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Is guaranteed by the member states with few exceptions that opted out. This loan won’t ever get repaid

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Slow_Ad2458@reddit

no they arent, this is not how these things are working.

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External-Theme1372@reddit

The article isn't any proof he bought the flat from the 90 billion loan, it's just some conjecture between 2 distinct events.

Unless you're telling me the loan was given to his football club or his energy company, DTEK (of course you surely have proof of this too), we can have a different conversation.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

I am not saying that. I am saying why we need to give 90 billion EUR and to guarantee for it, when there are plenty of money in Ukraine? You might have read about the Monaco battalion…

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Junior_Trifle_8273@reddit

you are a Kremlin bot, it's obvious

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tiga_94@reddit

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tiga_94@reddit

this one he deleted, I thought he deleted more but the others still stay

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

I didn’t delete anything dummy

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tiga_94@reddit

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tiga_94@reddit

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

I don’t care what you think…

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tiga_94@reddit

when he says something that makes him look dumb he just deletes the messages

I am convinced the guy is getting paid for that

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tiga_94@reddit

and he removed his comments with wild claims that Ukraine is stealing ALL of the money, when I asked for a source he send a few unrelated links, well one was somewhat related where Ukraine itself reported about 40 million stolen by a Ukrainian defense firm

and after I pointed out it doesn't prove his claims - he replied with this and removed the comments

me asking for sources for claims, or any proves for corruption(I'll take the 40 million one but it's far from "Ukraine is stealing all the money") - it means playing dumb, making those claims is, I guess, not playing dumb

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Cefalopodul@reddit

Because there isn't plenty of money in Ukraine. if there was they would not be asking for a LOAN from the EU, which they have to pay back when the war is over.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

That loan won’t ever be paid back

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Cefalopodul@reddit

Yes it will. It's a loan.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Is a loan guaranteed by the member states. When Ukraine will be in default, the EU countries will have to pay because they are the guarantors. Ukraine is not legally bound to repay the loan

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Cefalopodul@reddit

So you don't understand how taxes work in Romania, how EU funds work and how loans work.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Sure. Is me who doesn’t understand 😂

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mrwhite14X@reddit

The bots defending Ukraine, many of them from Ukraine make no sense.

It's obvious to everyone they are frauding the west and their/your own army out of those funds, while gaslight might work on some people, the truth its obvious....

Why would you defend these people? They are with their backs against a wall, if they lose the influence they lose everything but what good does it do for some young balkan person or young ukranian to defend these evil ultra rich scammers?

You are pathetic.

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tiga_94@reddit

isn't the loan still blocked though ?

also the guy owns the energy company, completely illegal if you ask me, the entire 90s privatization was nonsense, but this is where he gets money: by robbing us Ukraine citizens, not by getting any of that 90 billion support that is mostly aimed at the military

he has nothing to do with the military although I am quite sure he gets his cut when European countries give money to fix energy infrastructure

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

The loan was approved today

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Failed_General@reddit

Its only a preliminary approval today retard. No money has been transfered yey

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Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit

No need to insoult.

Money might not have arrived yet, but the fact that they know its coming is enough for them to start spending what they have right now.

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Failed_General@reddit

Everything you just said is plain unfounded speculation, so no need to adress it. I dont think retard is that heavy of an insult when a) he said something objectively wrong b) he frames a political narrative under the thin veil of a provocative question. This is dishonest regardless of your feelings about ukraine

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DCSmaug@reddit

Wtf are you doing in this sub if it's so irrelevant?

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Failed_General@reddit

Irrelevant to this post, not in general

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

You are the retard. The loan is approved, no matter the technical steps

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-ToniCipriani-@reddit

Akhmetov was a big sponsor of Yanukovich’s party, he was one of the oligarchs leaning towards pro-Russian politics before the war, understandable since his major fortune was based in Donbas where he was the head of the mafia. He travelled over there by motorcade so he won’t be assassinated over there. Afaik, he was a local gangster over there in Donbas before the fall of the USSR.

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Why this has to be my problem?

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Junior_Trifle_8273@reddit

News about a Ukrainian oligarch and Monaco. What do the Balkans have to do with it?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

Well, some of the Balkan countries are already in EU. The ones that are not, want to join the EU.

How many of the Balkan countries got 90 billion EUR as a loan without having to guarantee for it? In other words, that loan won’t ever be paid, because is guaranteed by someone else

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Junior_Trifle_8273@reddit

Yes, this money is backed by the assets of an aggressor that attacked another country. Which Balkan country has Russia attacked now and is destroying its economy and people?

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eferalgan@reddit (OP)

No, the guarantee with the revenues from the interest of the immobilized Russian funds didn’t hold up, so every EU country is guaranteeing for this loan except Hungary, Czechia and Slovakia who opted out

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Mountain-Good2494@reddit

Exactly—why is this even here? Why does no one care that Russian oligarchs have bought up half of the Balkans, especially the media and a large part of the coastline?

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