On the day when Ukraine got a 90 billion EUR loan from EU, loan guaranteed by the member states, it was announced that Rinat Akhmetov Ukraine’s Richest Man Bought a Monaco Flat for Record $550 Million. How do you feel about it?
Posted by eferalgan@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 111 comments
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
What does one have to do with the other?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Well, a big portion of those 90 billion EUR (that 24 EU countries will pay for, at default) will go to DTEK a Ukrainian energy company that belongs to Akhmatov. You and me are paying for Akhmetov’s Monaco apartment
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
Says you.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Read about it, don’t take my word for it
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
Ok, I am open to it. Give sources.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Reading the comments from this post and the links will give you enough information
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
I see. So for you to prove your point I need to spend like several hours reading all the comments and links, because somehow you cannot be bothered to give me sources, because... Well I don't know. I guess you know best and we are the "NPCs"
"Says you" stands.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Should I lose my time and copy the same information again in a reply directly to you, because you are too lazy to read something that is already available?
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
Oh, no copy pasting several links is such an effort to prove that we pay for this guy's apartment...
Go discover more government secrets big boy, the world is counting on you.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
I guess the world’s top intelligence was born south of Danube. I didn’t know, but now I stand corrected. You know better than anyone
InevitableWest6515@reddit
And I bought a phone, WOW. Please don’t make a news for that
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Well, I didn’t pay for your phone
InevitableWest6515@reddit
Yes, because I’m politician and I stole your money
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
If I were to make a parallel, the seller of the phone scammed you to buy it, gave you a empty box with no phone inside and you took the money from my wallet to pay for it
InevitableWest6515@reddit
Good one 😂😂😂
Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit
What does one have to do with the other? Is this some Russian bot spreading lies again?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Belgium has guaranteed that loan too. This is where your taxes are going.
Sure, everyone that is not speaking what you like is a Russian bot…
Substratas@reddit
I mean, his taxes were going to your country too at some point so let’s not go there…
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Belgium is a major beneficiary of EU funds, not a contributor
Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit
Yes and? Ukraine defense isn't just fro Ukraine, it's for all of us. I gladly give my tax dollars to them then to my own politicians
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Those money will be stolen like all the money previously given and they will ask for more
I don’t want to give my tax dollars to Ukraine
Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit
Ah, so pure Russian propaganda then. Okay then... At least try to be less obvious...
Pelya1@reddit
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine
Do you think much changed ? And for the better or worse ? Do you also believe in magic ?
Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit
You think EU just gives this to Ukraine without any supervision or stipulations? Do you believe in magic? And an article of 2015 isn't really relevant anymore. Much has changed, for one a government that is EU aligned.
Pelya1@reddit
Ukraine became eu- aligned since Maidan 2014. Si the war in donbass against Russian backed separatists began same year. So the article from 2015 is talking about pro-eu, war time Ukraine, just like it is now.
Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit
You are being so disingenuous. But then again, that's your intent isn't it ....
Slow_Ad2458@reddit
ok then a useful stooge.
Because this appartmetn and that loan are not connected in a way you suggest - at all.
Unless you want to critique globalism, then I'm all for it.
But you probably would have to start with Everyone in Europe, Paying through their nose to the UAE and the ilk for the energy.
Basically probably just Albania, paid to UAE enough to build 2 Burj-Khalifa buildings
Energy independence, now!
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
No idea what you are saying, you seem to be in delirium tremens.
The money from the loan will be stolen, like all the money previously given to Ukraine and they will ask for more. A big portion of those money will go to DTEK which belongs to Akhmetov
Pelya1@reddit
Lie about what ? That the loan is to be given or that the purchase was made ?
Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit
Well the loan so far is not even officially approved for now. And the lie or implied lie here is that these two things are somehow connected?
Pelya1@reddit
https://amp.dw.com/en/eu-unblocks-90-billion-loan-to-ukraine/a-76895753
Possible-Wallaby-877@reddit
Preliminary approval. but still, that's great! 👍 Finally Orban can't block it anymore
Substratas@reddit
Good.
Cefalopodul@reddit
Why should I feel anything about that?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Because you might be paying taxes…
Cefalopodul@reddit
And?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
This is where your taxes are going
Immediate_Rhubarb430@reddit
Do you have any evidence other than coincidence in time?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
The money will be stolen, like all the money that were previously given to Ukraine. A large portion of those will be given to DTEK which belongs to Akhmatova
Immediate_Rhubarb430@reddit
So are we just making random assertions without evidence?
Here's one
u/eferalgan is part of a Russian influence campaign!
tiga_94@reddit
"The money will be stolen, like all the money that were previously given to Ukraine" any sources ?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
This is public knowledge. A simple google search will generate multiple results from the people caught stealing funds ( the latest scandal has 2 people close to Zelensky that fled to Israel because they were about to be arrested and where his chief of staff resigned).
An US agency did at one point an audit and found that 60-70% of the funds were stolen. That is mostly the reason why USA only mostly provided weapons and not cash (except in the beginning)
tiga_94@reddit
So if Ukraine steals all the help it means they have been fighting ruzzians invaders on their own? Wow, very cool, Ukraine must be a super power
I am still waiting for any source to your claim.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-mindich-corruption-scandal-zelenskyy-war-russia/33592550.html
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/corruption-scandal-rocks-ukraine-as-it-fights-for-survival-against-russias-invasion
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/02/15/ukraine-says-former-minister-named-in-corruption-scandal-arrested-as-he-tried-to-leave-country_6750507_4.html
https://www.csis.org/analysis/where-missing-100-billion-us-aid-ukraine
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/28/1227447442/ukraine-says-corrupt-officials-stole-40-million-meant-to-buy-arms-for-the-war
This was a quick google search. Much more if you have time
tiga_94@reddit
This doesn't look like stealing all the money, I am still waiting for sources to your aim
And the 100 billion link quotes Zelensky that Ukraine received less than US claims, how does it prove any corruption?
Also why are you wasting my time with unrelated articles like this?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Ok, you are hopeless. Either you are Ukrainian therefore you have an interest in playing dumb or you are divorced from reality. No point in wasting time with you
No-Championship-4632@reddit
"Trust me bro".
Cefalopodul@reddit
Actually they're not. Romania is a net beneficiary, so we get more EU funds than we give. And even if they were, where exactly is the problem?
Are you trying to imply that Ukraine will give the money to Ahmetov? I hope not, because that would a very very stupid thing to imply.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Actually they are. The money that we receive are for development, for investment in order to improve the economy and institutions and to bring them to EU level. Like any other EU country.
I am saying that there are plenty of money in Ukraine, this loan is a waste, these money should be spent in EU countries; instead some of them will go to DTEK which is an energy company that belongs to Ahkmetov
Cefalopodul@reddit
Actually they aren't. Learn how taxes work in Romania and the EU is funded before commenting.
There isn't plenty of money in Ukraine. This is not shithole Russia, you don't go about confiscating people's money.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Care to explain your arguments or you are just commenting like an idiot. I took the tine to explain what I was trying to say…
Cefalopodul@reddit
Doesn't understand how Romanian taxes and Romania's EU contributions work.
Calls other people idiot.
Deliciously ironic.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Honestly, are you that dumb, that you don’t know how EU funds work?
EU funds are allocated on projects, they are not free money that are paid in the budget. For instance when the government needs to build a bridge, some of the money- let’s say 50% for the construction of that bridge comes from EU. For every project the government has to pay its share. There are no free money that comes in the budget and the government spends them whatever it pleases.
On the taxes part, the biggest part of them are going to the government budget- the income taxes. The local taxes are peanuts. Apparently you don’t have a job, because you would know this. Easy to argue on Reddit from your mommy basement.
Another thing that you don’t know about: the majority of EU budget comes from the contributions of the top economies of the union, a percentage from their budgets. Not fines or fees…
România pays also from its budget to EU budget. So all the money paid by România to Ukraine are literally from its budget. So when this loan will get into default, Romania will pay 1/23 of 90 billion EUR.
Ukraine got hundreds of billions EUR since 2022 and they stole the money and always ask for more. No other EU country got the huge amount of money that Ukraine did. This is why the Ukrainian oligarchs are buying apartments with more than half of a billion dollars.
Anyway, you are a moron, you don’t know anything about an. You just like to waste time online talking about subjects that you have no idea about. You are a jackasd
Cefalopodul@reddit
I do know how EU funds work. I also understand that projects that are covered by EU funds means the government does not have to spend that money so any money Romania pays to the EU is completely canceled by the money Romania saves by having EU funded projects and the tax money made from those projects after they're finished.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
No! You don’t know anything.
The money are not “canceled” by any incoming funds. There are no relation between the two. The EU budget contributions have to be paid from the national budget to EU budget. The EU funds are paid “on projects”. Sometimes if the project is not done or not done in time, the money gets lost.
No correlation between the two.
When the loan will default, România will have to pay 4 billion EUR since
AibofobicRacecar6996@reddit
You understand the word loan, right?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Is guaranteed by the member states with few exceptions that opted out. This loan won’t ever get repaid
Slow_Ad2458@reddit
no they arent, this is not how these things are working.
External-Theme1372@reddit
The article isn't any proof he bought the flat from the 90 billion loan, it's just some conjecture between 2 distinct events.
Unless you're telling me the loan was given to his football club or his energy company, DTEK (of course you surely have proof of this too), we can have a different conversation.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
I am not saying that. I am saying why we need to give 90 billion EUR and to guarantee for it, when there are plenty of money in Ukraine? You might have read about the Monaco battalion…
Junior_Trifle_8273@reddit
you are a Kremlin bot, it's obvious
tiga_94@reddit
tiga_94@reddit
this one he deleted, I thought he deleted more but the others still stay
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
I didn’t delete anything dummy
tiga_94@reddit
tiga_94@reddit
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
I don’t care what you think…
tiga_94@reddit
when he says something that makes him look dumb he just deletes the messages
I am convinced the guy is getting paid for that
tiga_94@reddit
and he removed his comments with wild claims that Ukraine is stealing ALL of the money, when I asked for a source he send a few unrelated links, well one was somewhat related where Ukraine itself reported about 40 million stolen by a Ukrainian defense firm
and after I pointed out it doesn't prove his claims - he replied with this and removed the comments
me asking for sources for claims, or any proves for corruption(I'll take the 40 million one but it's far from "Ukraine is stealing all the money") - it means playing dumb, making those claims is, I guess, not playing dumb
Cefalopodul@reddit
Because there isn't plenty of money in Ukraine. if there was they would not be asking for a LOAN from the EU, which they have to pay back when the war is over.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
That loan won’t ever be paid back
Cefalopodul@reddit
Yes it will. It's a loan.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Is a loan guaranteed by the member states. When Ukraine will be in default, the EU countries will have to pay because they are the guarantors. Ukraine is not legally bound to repay the loan
Cefalopodul@reddit
So you don't understand how taxes work in Romania, how EU funds work and how loans work.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Sure. Is me who doesn’t understand 😂
mrwhite14X@reddit
The bots defending Ukraine, many of them from Ukraine make no sense.
It's obvious to everyone they are frauding the west and their/your own army out of those funds, while gaslight might work on some people, the truth its obvious....
Why would you defend these people? They are with their backs against a wall, if they lose the influence they lose everything but what good does it do for some young balkan person or young ukranian to defend these evil ultra rich scammers?
You are pathetic.
tiga_94@reddit
isn't the loan still blocked though ?
also the guy owns the energy company, completely illegal if you ask me, the entire 90s privatization was nonsense, but this is where he gets money: by robbing us Ukraine citizens, not by getting any of that 90 billion support that is mostly aimed at the military
he has nothing to do with the military although I am quite sure he gets his cut when European countries give money to fix energy infrastructure
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
The loan was approved today
Failed_General@reddit
Its only a preliminary approval today retard. No money has been transfered yey
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
No need to insoult.
Money might not have arrived yet, but the fact that they know its coming is enough for them to start spending what they have right now.
Failed_General@reddit
Everything you just said is plain unfounded speculation, so no need to adress it. I dont think retard is that heavy of an insult when a) he said something objectively wrong b) he frames a political narrative under the thin veil of a provocative question. This is dishonest regardless of your feelings about ukraine
DCSmaug@reddit
Wtf are you doing in this sub if it's so irrelevant?
Failed_General@reddit
Irrelevant to this post, not in general
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
You are the retard. The loan is approved, no matter the technical steps
-ToniCipriani-@reddit
Akhmetov was a big sponsor of Yanukovich’s party, he was one of the oligarchs leaning towards pro-Russian politics before the war, understandable since his major fortune was based in Donbas where he was the head of the mafia. He travelled over there by motorcade so he won’t be assassinated over there. Afaik, he was a local gangster over there in Donbas before the fall of the USSR.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Why this has to be my problem?
Junior_Trifle_8273@reddit
News about a Ukrainian oligarch and Monaco. What do the Balkans have to do with it?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Well, some of the Balkan countries are already in EU. The ones that are not, want to join the EU.
How many of the Balkan countries got 90 billion EUR as a loan without having to guarantee for it? In other words, that loan won’t ever be paid, because is guaranteed by someone else
Junior_Trifle_8273@reddit
Yes, this money is backed by the assets of an aggressor that attacked another country. Which Balkan country has Russia attacked now and is destroying its economy and people?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
No, the guarantee with the revenues from the interest of the immobilized Russian funds didn’t hold up, so every EU country is guaranteeing for this loan except Hungary, Czechia and Slovakia who opted out
Mountain-Good2494@reddit
Exactly—why is this even here? Why does no one care that Russian oligarchs have bought up half of the Balkans, especially the media and a large part of the coastline?
Ujemegaz@reddit
All these posts about Ukraine. What's the matter 🤔 is Russia losing their shit in the frontline?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Who cares?
Ujemegaz@reddit
I do now.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Congratulations
Ujemegaz@reddit
I bet they are getting blown up to pieces.
No-Championship-4632@reddit
It's good. They say good Russian == dead Russian. So the world must be becoming a better place.
Cefalopodul@reddit
Yes they are.
Junior_Trifle_8273@reddit
100%
Mountain-Good2494@reddit
Why does no one care that Russian oligarchs have bought up half of the Balkans, especially the media and a large part of the coastline?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Probably because Russia is not getting a free 90 billion EUR loan from EU
Mountain-Good2494@reddit
Why does no one care that Russian oligarchs have bought up half of the Balkans, especially the media and a large part of the coastline?
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Probably because Russia is not getting a free 90 billion EUR loan from EU
ShlalomShabbat@reddit
i know a russian bot when i see one
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Look in the mirror
Fiery_Flamingo@reddit
On the day Ukraine got €90B, I bought a pepperoni pizza, what’s the point? Just muddying the waters.
eferalgan@reddit (OP)
Bon Appetit!
6AlphaVictor@reddit
Unsurprising. Its probably the biggest money laundering scheme of our generation.
sk0opyo1@reddit
Ukraine war is legal money laundering on way bigger scale than middle eastern conflicts
Beautiful-Dish-6275@reddit
We are the balkans, we know how that shit works much better than the rest of Europe lol.
Final_Sundae4254@reddit
No suprise. We're paying taxes on taxes so some corrupt people can get richer....