Air Canada jet forced into emergency climb after near‑miss with U.S. flight

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ParisFood@reddit

Good tho g they have announced they will stop their flights to JFK airport

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Molnutz@reddit

*quickly runs over to VAS Aviation without needing to read article

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TheManWith2Poobrains@reddit

Thanks.

"I have a number for you to call, whenever you are ready." Not something a pilot wants to hear, right?

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Melodic_Balance_3272@reddit

It’s basically the equivalent of “I’d like to see you in my office” but with your whole career potentially on the line.

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It was kind of funny, a lot of people were calling that C Brickyard pilot cocky/enthusiastic/(insert alt description), but I did notice the tone and inflections in his radio calls changed drastically after the number to call transmission.

Was sort of like he had a slight reality check on the spot that they’d goofed pretty bad.

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t-poke@reddit

So what actually happens to the pilot when they screw up and have to call? Is it a three strikes and your out sort of thing?

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crafty-dumdum@reddit

Why does he say that before landing? Why not make the request after wheels are on the ground?

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DaBingeGirl@reddit

It happens a lot, usually the controller that handled the issue is the one to give the number. Sometimes they wait until they get on the ground, but those pilots 100% knew a number was coming.

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TheManWith2Poobrains@reddit

Good question.

Maybe it's a subtle way to say, "You fucked up. Pull it together."

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AnimationOverlord@reddit

Given all the context and the fact the traffic controller immediately notified him it wouldn’t end there after the fact, yeah he’s in some deep shit. Idk how Air Canada is going to penalize a pilot from the states law isn’t my forte

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sodabubbles1281@reddit

What’s this mean? Who is he calling …

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TheManWith2Poobrains@reddit

It means he has some explaining to do, and could be in trouble.

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drs43821@reddit

The tower controller. They would call to discuss what happened and exchange details so they can write reports.

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DietCherrySoda@reddit

Wow there was Republic 4464 and Endeavor 4664 on back to back calls there haha

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Ruepic@reddit

I saw the internal incident report a couple days ago and was wonder if Vas Aviation would do a video, sure enough the next day it was in my feed.

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Molnutz@reddit

VASAviation for the Pullitzer 🏅

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TabsAZ@reddit

I just wish he’d get someone well-versed in US comms to review his transcript captions, there’s a lot of silly errors and missed things at times.

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No_Public_7677@reddit

I'm always surprised at the caption errors. Especially since he's a pilot.

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notathr0waway1@reddit

Might not be a native speaker and might be dyslexia

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jdmb0y@reddit

It's the former, but I'm surprised he's not able to hire or volunteer someone considering the VASt following he has.

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Ill_Football9443@reddit

It might be a timing thing? An incident occurs, we turn to VAS and it's up. Having to wake someone up at 3 am to review his legible subtitles might slow down the process.

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sodium_hydride@reddit

There's quite a few accounts that prioritise speed over quality.

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Klutzy-Residen@reddit

That is generally the way you secure the eyeballs.

Making better content, but late means that a lot of people will skip what you made because they already saw a slightly worse version from somebody else.

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Wingmaniac@reddit

Stop it Dad!

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No_Public_7677@reddit

Seems bad for a pilot to have then

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TabsAZ@reddit

There’s several off them right at the key points of this incident - “fly to the final approach course” instead of “through”, “200 feet” instead of “2000” in the audio, etc.

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mattrussell2319@reddit

We know pilots make errors, that’s one of the reasons TCAS exists 👍

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Avia_NZ@reddit

Why US comms? Why not just english comms?

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WeakBlueberry5071@reddit

It's probably just auto-generated.

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TabsAZ@reddit

Nah, there’s enough correct stuff there that I don’t think it’s that. It’s been an issue since the beginning and I think that predates AI transcript stuff.

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marenicolor@reddit

I don't think it's necessarily AI, but YouTube's auto caption has taken a dive in quality since during the pandemic. I speak multiple languages and it seems to fuck up in every one I know now. Even if it's not AI, captions surely have been enshittified.

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EvenMoreCoconuts@reddit

Agree. Sometimes I’m tempted to just ignore the captions; also helps because nothing gets “spoiled” a few seconds ahead.

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

A little dramatic of a headline. Obviously not a situation we want to happen but "emergency climb" is a bit much.

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AtmosphereMiddle1682@reddit

I think an RA is the only scenario where the term emergency climb would be used. It's improper to do that for terrain, and I really can't think of any other emergency scenario where you might consider climbing.

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

TCAS RAs are not emergency manuevers. You certainly do an emergency climb for a terrain warning, but a TCAS RA is meant to be a fairly gentle maneuver. You don't delay but it doesn't require abrubt action.

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AtmosphereMiddle1682@reddit

Semantically, it is both a climb, and an emergency, yeah?

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

No, training is specifically that it's not an emergency. Pilots treating it that way jas resulted in abrupt manuevers that injured passengers and flight attendants. The system is designed specifically to prevent the need for that kind of action.

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Lonely-Prize-1662@reddit

At this rate Jazz pilots are never going to want any New York routes anymore.

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MJG1998@reddit

As a US based airline pilot I actively avoid every northeast hub too lmao

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sorrymizzjackson@reddit

I read the other day they’re dumping those routes because they aren’t profitable.

Yes. Bending metal is not profitable.

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StarbeamII@reddit

Ironically it's the Kennedy flights getting the cut. LGA and EWR are staying.

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DutchBlob@reddit

Makes sense. EWR is a star alliance hub and LGA is more convenient for business traffic.

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mug3n@reddit

It's because AC wants to route passengers through Toronto for European connections rather than through the New York area airports.

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gAWEhCaj@reddit

JFK landing fees aren’t cheap

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Arctic_Chilean@reddit

Newark is missing out on the action /s

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Cornelius__Evazan@reddit

EWR had a near miss a few weeks ago.

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DutchBlob@reddit

But nobody saw that because their radar screens were offline

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primetimey123@reddit

Time for Air Canada to pull all operations out of New York. Death of two pilots from a runway incursion. Air Traffic controller talking shit to the pilots a few weeks later, followed up by a near mid-air collision of an aircraft headed straight towards an Air Canada jet.

It is not safe to fly there anymore.

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oh-pointy-bird@reddit

Wait, what was the shit talking incident…?!

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primetimey123@reddit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jsqpnkKyo

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ascasffr@reddit

What a fucking nob

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Avia_NZ@reddit

Hardly a week goes by where I don't encounter a new radio recording of a US ATC not being wildly unprofessional. I'm really glad I don't fly in the USA

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sodium_hydride@reddit

Tune in at any time to JFK on LiveATC and it won't be long before you hear something wildly unprofessional from a controller. I wouldn't expect things to be said that way almost anywhere else.

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FarButterscotch4280@reddit

Sounds like a good idea.

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fellipec@reddit

I wonder why in English is called near miss and not near hit... Anyway, good thing the worst outcome was avoided.

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t-poke@reddit

Obligatory Carlin

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Intelligent-Luck-954@reddit

Look at that: they nearly missed

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t-poke@reddit

But not quite!

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Darth_Thor@reddit

That’s immediately what I thought of after reading the headline

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S0urMonkey@reddit

I think near is an adjetive describing the miss.

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PerforatedPie@reddit

The opposite of a near miss.

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fellipec@reddit

Thanks, I think I got it now, it is near in the meaning of close distance and not meaning almost.

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volaray@reddit

The Royal Canadian Air Force calls them NMACs now - "near mid air collision".

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fellipec@reddit

Sounds better to me, but I'm not a native English speaker

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volaray@reddit

They changed to that about a decade ago because of the same reason you mention. It definitely describes the situation in better English, I agree.

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Ecstatic_Schedule_48@reddit

Near miss is a word that’s used in the industry

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MonsieurReynard@reddit

Same reason we park in a driveway and drive on a parkway

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fellipec@reddit

In Portuguese we have "Porque você calça a bota e bota a calça". Other folks explained me that near in near miss is abou the small distance and not meaning almost.

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Ooh_look_a_butterfly@reddit

You could use hit but it would be nearly hit.

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fellipec@reddit

Thanks, I realize now the difference in the word near as meaning short distance and nearly meaning almost, but before I didn't had this distinction in my mind.

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Affectionate-Book837@reddit

Kucherov is the worst diver in the league. He does the whole 🐬flop every other game

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Calm-Passenger7334@reddit

There’s gonna be a midair in the U.S. very soon at this rate

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Avia_NZ@reddit

Again.

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Infamous_Acadia7481@reddit

Already happened

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Calm-Passenger7334@reddit

Not between two planes

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No_Magazine9625@reddit (OP)

I mean - wasn't there just a major midair disaster last year in the US?

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casulmemer@reddit

With the helicopter you mean?

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CycleComfortable3028@reddit

Oh my word thankfully all safe

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Impressive_Past1846@reddit

US airspace is a hazard. Only a matter of time before we see another disaster

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wandering_engineer@reddit

Yup. I swore off flying into DCA after the accident - I lived in the area for years and was completely unsurprised when it happened. Starting to feel that way about the US in general now.

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KennyGaming@reddit

Flying into DCA at busiest time with an understaffed tower is still safer than driving to the airport

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wandering_engineer@reddit

Perhaps, but sometimes flying is your only realistic option. And IMO flying into DCA at any time is more dangerous than flying into Dulles. And both are more dangerous than non-US airports.

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FlashyRecognitionTod@reddit

both are more dangerous than non-US airports.

Maybe compared to Botswana. ATC and discipline is miles ahead in countries like UK or Netherlands.

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KennyGaming@reddit

But none of them are genuinely dangerous compared to routine daily activities

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wandering_engineer@reddit

This is an aviation-themed sub and the discussion was about US aviation safety or lack thereof, what in the world does that have to do with "routine daily activities"? I was comparing flying into DCA to flying into other airports, and flying into other countries vs flying in the US. I don't live in the US, if I want to go back to visit family flying is the only practical option.

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KennyGaming@reddit

I’m pointing out that the risk of flying into DCA and all American international airports on commercial flights is greatly exaggerated in internet discourse. For example if you had a reason to travel to DC it would be weird to fly to Richmond to avoid DCA due to risk tolerance at least from a rational standpoint

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Brave-Quote-2733@reddit

Yeah but you’re more likely to survive a car crash.

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KennyGaming@reddit

Okay? I’m comparing risk of injury or death

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AdoringCHIN@reddit

And how much longer will this be true? At least if I get in a car crash it's a hell of a lot more survivable than a midair collision

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CostanzaBlonde@reddit

Yup same and I go a few times a year, so I take the train from NY instead. Also take the train to Boston for work trips. I don’t trust this cramped flight passage.

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StupidBump@reddit

That helicopter flight path has been discontinued though, right?

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ihateusedusernames@reddit

US airspace is a hazard. Only a matter of time before we see another disaster

We won't fly for at least a couple years.

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Brave-Quote-2733@reddit

I cancelled all of my summer flights because I feel the exact same way. It’s not if, it’s when. I know I’m more likely to get in a car accident on a road trip, but I’m also more likely to survive it. No flying for me until we get our shit together.

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KaienPanzermast@reddit

Flying from Pittsburgh into Dallas on Friday. Should I be concerned?

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Tripottanus@reddit

When it comes to aerospace in 2026, the answer is almost always no.

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surSEXECEN@reddit

Is it normal FAA procedures to discontinue vector separation between aircraft on parallel approaches before they’re established? Or is that waived if one of the aircraft is on a visual approach?

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kabekew@reddit

You don't need lateral separation for parallel runways, they're governed by section 7-4-4-c-3 of the 7110.65 in this case. Normally the Brickyard would have to be on an intercept angle less than 30 degrees or altitude or visual separation used until they're established, but they had none of that (Jazz had them in sight but wasn't told to maintain visual). However the 30 degree rule has interpretations and possibly waivers depending on facility so that may be the situation, but I suspect not.

That 30 degree rule is supposed to prevent/minimize spill overs exactly like happened in this case.

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surSEXECEN@reddit

Thanks for that. I’ve seen visuals applied at other airports where vertical sep was maintained until established, even in visuals. I wondered if that was by rule or just a local SOP.

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kabekew@reddit

Could be either, depends on the distance between the runways or some airport specific waiver or SOP.

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Hairy_Photograph1384@reddit

They're really out to get air Canada lately...this is like the 4th AC incident I've heard of in the stated in the last 4-6 weeks...

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indimedia@reddit

Maybe we need more govt after all. Or how about this… for PROFIT safety?

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deltalima3@reddit

I agree but this was a pilot being stupid as fuck and ATC working with single redundancy aka taking chances where failure = near death or death.

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black_cat_X2@reddit

Jesus, don't give them any ideas

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No_Public_7677@reddit

Everytime some incident happens, you have experts all saying it's not a big deal and normal.

Until that one time, it's not.

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DoesntMatterEh@reddit

Yeah, until a Blackhawk hits a passenger jet (or vice versa I can't recall) and everyone dies.

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DoesntMatterEh@reddit

Extremely nervous flier here, currently sat waiting for my flight... I should not have opened this post lol.

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Emotional-Ad-6494@reddit

I knew the airport before even clicking

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dinanm3atl@reddit

It seems from article the AA flight drifted over and caused the issue. Versus an airport issue.

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parc@reddit

That looked less like drift and more like completely missing the turn to establish.

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fallingfaster345@reddit

Guessing they forgot to arm the LOC to capture the intercept

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tracernz@reddit

Well… visual approach on a parallel in close proximity to another is kind of an airport issue too.

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dinanm3atl@reddit

True by default. But they exist all over and typically a nonissue. Someone not following the flow is the base issue here IMO.

Obviously JFK is an issue though.

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StephLynn3724@reddit

Right did he think right instead of left runway?

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Twitter_2006@reddit

Me too.

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seboll13@reddit

Thinking about the LGA controller again, "Welcome to America!". To this I say: Fuck you

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

You want to summarize that link for us OP or start some discussion or something?

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clevelndsteamer@reddit

God forbid you have to use your brain you lazy bastard

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Simon_Mendelssohn@reddit

Did the title of this thread not summarize it enough?

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

Did rule #4 change ?

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Simon_Mendelssohn@reddit

No it did not. It continues to say nothing about having to provide a summary of a posted article.

If you are so terribly concerned that the OP hasn't participated in this 1 hour old thread yet, you can certainly message the mods to turn them in for this violation of the rules.

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

Its says to join the discussion. Don't just post a link and leave

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Simon_Mendelssohn@reddit

Let me say it another way, If you are so terribly concerned that the OP hasn't participated in this 1 hour old thread yet, you can certainly message the mods to turn them in for this violation of the rules.

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

The mods don't even participate.

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Simon_Mendelssohn@reddit

I don't know how else to help you buddy. Godspeed and good luck with all this.. whatever it is.

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

Thanks for the well wishes. I'm just gonna sign my heels in, pin my ears back and keep going for it.... whatever it is.

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oldscotch@reddit

"Engage in the discussion" doesn't mean spoonfeed the article to you.

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fabalaupland@reddit

Are you not able to read an article?

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SRM_Thornfoot@reddit

Wait. Reddit has articles? Is that a new thing?

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

Are you able to read rule #4?

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fabalaupland@reddit

How does this comment of yours contribute to the discussion?

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

How does yours ?

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thetiredtypist@reddit

Maybe bit, it's written in Canadian. Is there a 3rd party app that converts km to freedom units?

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acousticentropy@reddit

1 km =0.621 freedom units

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Lost_Paladin89@reddit

It’s easier the other away round.

One Nuyorican Spiderman is equal to 1.6 kilos but long.

Or easier, look down at your dash, see how the 100miles has 160km written in tiny letters? Good, now put your phone away and pay attention to damn road.

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ceelodan@reddit

Ong

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ForsakenRacism@reddit

You could read the article?

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

You could read rule 4

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Fun-Illustrator9985@reddit

You spent more time whining that it would have taken to read it

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

You spent more time responding to me than OP could have spent reading rule 4

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Fun-Illustrator9985@reddit

You’re still going 🤣

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quesoandcats@reddit

The article is like 300 words, I believe in you

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

This shot was already posted and OPbhas run afoul of rule #4. So are you incapable of reading the 30 word rule #4?

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Molnutz@reddit

TCAS ra...probably

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mattrussell2319@reddit

It was, see VASAviation

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Tlix@reddit

This is what tiktok has done to people.

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yetiflask@reddit

Well, well, well. I always got so much shit on /r/aviation saying parallel approaches are dangerous. And was told to stfu.

But this is what we got.

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ledki@reddit

Parallel Approaches are pretty safe, if they are done via a precision approach. The visual approaches, the US rely on all the time is what leads to another human factor in the safety net.

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sauzbozz@reddit

Visuals are fine as well if you actually turn aircraft on a heading to intercept. Obviously depending on the distance between the parallels.

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Rilex1@reddit

I love the confident “you’re welcome” but still getting the number to call.

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OstrichOk2793@reddit

Whats going on? Jazz is having terrible luck in NY

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