Walmart Limiting Trucks to 62mph
Posted by derpmcturd@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 208 comments
So im in Ohio and im not sure if this program is being implemented at all DCs but there was an alert posted at mine. It is currently a Pilot program, so they are testing it and asking for volunteers to drive at 62 and will probably ask those volunteers about their thoughts of it.
They are claiming it will help save fuel if trucks are limited to 62mph (currently 65mph). Which it will obviously.
What do I think? I think they are hoping this makes older drivers want to willingly retire. Our more tenured drivers have gotten very efficient in their routes. Perhaps this is a way to slow them down, which would save Walmart money by forcing the driver to earn less since he would go slower. I think Walmart has been looking for an excuse to slow the trucks down and the war is the perfect one.
Walmart is all about cutting out the middle man, so why not negotiate a lower fuel rate from whomever is supplying Walmart with fuel? Im sure TA/Loves would beg for their business if given the opportunity. But now, suddenly, the most obvious thing to do is being ignored. Suddenly, out of nowhere, the problem is truck speed. Yeah right.
So far only 3 drivers out of 5 have signed up. Im thinking of signing up just to give them a piece of my mind when they ask for notes at the end of the trial.
I think it'll happen and i think they will ignore any notes the volunteers give them. GG
-manic-@reddit
My truck says 65 but goes 64. I hate it. Before we got turned down it was 68.
I really liked that speed.
62 would suck, but Wal-Mart is a good company. It'll be an adjustment but you'll make it.
tooleeki@reddit
Walmart trucks used to do 68?
Caveman23r@reddit
Yes depending on what account and or what DC you where out of. Alot of big companies do that.
Top_Roll_6136@reddit
I was at us express when they went to 68 from 65. made a huge difference I felt.
ag_fg4si@reddit
Still at 68. I'm working there. Lol
Caveman23r@reddit
For every 1 mph lost it's 5 minutes at the end of the day. My last company went from 68 to 65 and no matter what I tried it was 15 minute longer drive and kept me in more traffic
GanjaRelease@reddit
My truck is governed at 75. I go 64 for safety reasons. I never pass unless it's an obvious bad driver. If i do pass, I'll speed up to 70 to pass.
Q7017@reddit
I thought speeding was a big no-no at WPF, but I've been seeing them run 65 through Oregon on the 5.
anxious_polarbear@reddit
That's because everyone runs 65 through Oregon on the 5, even before they upped the speed limits.
Nathan__Lee@reddit
Been on the road 18 years... I'm a lead foot raised in a family of lead feet. A big truck has no business going more than 70 mph. The danger to fuel cost ratio just isn't worth it, but being able to hit 75 is nice if only for passing dumbass companies' trucks that set their shit at 62 to piss everyone off. š¤·āāļø
No one else is going that slow, so at some point you have to think about the fact that you're impeding the flow traffic just to save a few bucks.
anxious_polarbear@reddit
You ever been through South Dakota?
icaaryal@reddit
My company is governed at 68 and I drive 63. Less stressful and I make an extra $4k+ per year. I went 60 my first two years. Only reason iām going 63 now is because of the truck is better suited for it than my first truck.
anxious_polarbear@reddit
How do you make more money going slower?
huuke@reddit
Iām sure they have done their homework but, will an automatic change in speed without changing gear ratioās increase mpg. 3 mph can contribute to different home times and (possibly) less miles but the gear ratio will tell the story. Back in the day, one could run a gear lower at higher rpmās and no one knew. These computers are tadle tales. Not sure what Walmart gear ratios are but they have possibly done their homework and are still doing research. Iāve no clue how many DCās there are in the USA. Walmart has a lot of huge companies pulling their trailers. Beyond belief as to where they are going!!! Old Sam gave a shit about everyone, but this new generation at Walmart is dazed and confused about what life really is!!!
Leto_ll@reddit
Surprised UPS hasn't yet. I remember 20 years ago spending every trip on the Ohio turnpike behind a 62mph UPS vs. JB Hunt race. If this goes on much longer we might all be back to 55
Visual-Ad-6396@reddit
The brown trucks all top out at 68 even here it cali itās just most of them are milking that hourly pay
anxious_polarbear@reddit
But 55 is the speed limit in Cali.
Mikeg216@reddit
Turnpike speed limit is now 70 mph. And in remote areas highways and turnpike can be 75 mph.
Nowadays they're all over in the right lane UPS versus FedEx versus JB Hunt. UPS and FedEx with turnpike triples.
jmzstl@reddit
Their drivers are union and have truck speeds in their contract. Most daycabs are required to be set no lower than 68mph. The daycabs used for runs paid by the mile (I think itās anything over 500 miles) are set at 72mph. And the team trucks are set at 70mph.
Leto_ll@reddit
Should've known that'd be in the contract lol. Lucky you guys being locked in for a while at least.
xoutlawtrucker@reddit
I have seen UPS average 68 to 72. The other day one was going 75.
Visual-Ad-6396@reddit
Yeah our sleeper trucks come at 70 but a lot of people get them turned up to 80
Leto_ll@reddit
I mean.. Every driver in the country knows how fast UPS goes right now man.
FossMan21@reddit
If they are paid per mile the trucks are turned up. Hourly drivers get slower trucks.
deezkeys098@reddit
Slower you go the less miles you can do in a pay period š¤·āāļø
forkystabbyveggie@reddit
The only pro-driver thing to do here is pay salary with overtime bonuses. Not sure if I'd see that happen
KilljoyTheTrucker@reddit
Wal-Mart is kind the prime example of a company in a position to pay a set salary and have set work for their drivers too.
They have one of the few models that a pure salary payscale would actually work extremely well with.
anxious_polarbear@reddit
Or just hourly. If you're working, you should be getting paid. Period. Want your drivers to slow down? You don't need speed limiters, you need hourly pay. But Trucking companies will do ANYTHING but pay hourly. š
ProtestedGyro@reddit
That depends on the load. When I ran reefer, appointment times could rarely be adjusted. So there was no difference in miles or getting a load quicker.
Mindes13@reddit
Probably not much different for Walmart either. Pu at dc, drop at store, deadhead back to dc or maybe grab a back haul, then back to dc.
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
Drivers should be hourly. That being said, I pay mine % of load. But they know if the fuel bill starts running a little high in reguards to gross, that pay % might drop. I cannot afford to lose money on trucks running.
testing_mic2@reddit
How do you get your drivers?
MostlyUseful@reddit
I drove for a guy that paid us OTR drivers hourly. It was great!! It was the only time that I can honestly say that traffic backups didnāt stress me. š
DevilDrives@reddit
Driving slower than the speed limit, impedes the flow of traffic. It places everyone at a greater risk. Wherever the truck is meant to be driven, it need to be able to go the full speed limit. If not, it WILL increase the risks that lead to collisions.
Driving the speed limit is fine. Driving under the speed limit is worse than driving over the speed limit. Think cannonball run versus Talladega. The pileups are ridiculous.
charonco@reddit
This is a really ignorant take. Even though Walmart's fleet is speed limited it is one of the safest fleets in the country. Make that make sense.
Microshlongg@reddit
It's not about Walmart not being safe. Itās the idiots and 4 wheelers will become impatient and make dangerous passes putting everyone in danger
DevilDrives@reddit
Impeding traffic is an indirect action. Yes, it causes everyone else's risk to increase. Safest fleet that causes everyone else to figure out how to work around their slow ass
anxious_polarbear@reddit
Walmart: we're so safe, we make other people have accidents for us!
tvieno@reddit
It's all about fuel savings. And no one is going to quit over a 3 mph decrease in maximum speed. They might not like it but that is not a hill most will not die on.
notbannd4cussingmods@reddit
Ummmm. I see drivers quit all the time over shit like this. Maybe no one will quit a walmart job though because they pay ok.
PrivatePilot9@reddit
If someone quits over such a tiny speed limiter drop they were already looking for an excuse to go anyways.
charonco@reddit
Based on their average CPM, it's a $2 an hour pay cut unless they raise the rate. It's not huge, but it's not nothing.
Mindes13@reddit
On paper. What's the average speed of their fleet for all time? Probably less than 50 mph
charonco@reddit
Oh, average speed, definitely around 48 to 50 mph. However I have many weeks like this week where I'm driving in Utah and Idaho and Montana where I'm definitely averaging much higher than that. But good point.
anxious_polarbear@reddit
The mountain west doesn't exist to anyone east of the Missouri. You tell people back east about 80mph speed limits and they think you're lying.
I absolutely hate the big carrier trucks in those states, though. Going 60-65 when everyone else is going 80+ is dangerous.
PrivatePilot9@reddit
If these same people owned their own trucks they'd be the ones complaining endlessly about fuel costs yet would still drive 80mph to make an extra $40 in day in milage while burning $200+ more a day in fuel.
You can't talk sense to some people when they've got their mind made up about stuff they are convinced they're right about.
Capital-Sorbet652@reddit
āSuch a tiny speed limiter dropā
Itās not like theyāre cutting you guys back from 70 to 68. Youāre already in a 65 mph truck. At 62 youāre essentially the slowest driver on the road. But yeah have fun getting your doors blown off by prime.
PrivatePilot9@reddit
If you think that in the current situation with the price of diesel being what it is and likely to go higher that speed limit drops are not coming to a lot of big fleets, I think that you are probably being naĆÆve.
Going slower yields massive cost savings, thatās a fact
Capital-Sorbet652@reddit
Sure it does. Not for you though. And thatās a fact.
It means longer days for the same pay. And yeah some companies will probably drop their speed limiters. But alot of them wonāt drop it that much. Some of the megas will for sure
PrivatePilot9@reddit
Brother, I've spent the last 30.5 years in this industry driving 62mph/100kph and have done perfectly well for myself as have many others.
In the end the people paying for the fuel and insurance call the shots. Don't like it? Buy your own truck and become a broker then go spend an extra few hundred dollars a day on fuel and wearing out your tires and truck in general driving whatever speed your heart desires so you can make that giant enormous extra $30 or $40 a day racking those few extra miles.
Capital-Sorbet652@reddit
āDonāt like it? But your own truckā Nah. Iāll just goto another company.
Youād think after 30.5 years on the road a fella wouldāve saved enough to retire. Probably couldāve used that $30 or $40 a day lol.
Indentured-peasant@reddit
You're just not that important
Capital-Sorbet652@reddit
I am to me lol
Indentured-peasant@reddit
Yes Remain that way! It's the only way that works Appreciation is a rare thing
NostradamusJones@reddit
That's nonsense. Might not be important to you, but if they cut my speed by 3mph, I'm out.
I've been trucking for a long time, and I don't job hop. I'm not drivin some slow ass truck.
notbannd4cussingmods@reddit
Everyones always looking for reasons to leave and when you give them more reasons to leave then stay that's what they'll do.
Dicked_Crazy@reddit
Youāre wrong. Itās another turd on the pile. Walmartās been going downhill for a long time, but in the last three years, itās gotten bad. I mean theyāre hiring store employees and training them for six months with no experience whatsoever before hand. 15 years ago a driver with five years experience couldnāt get a job at Walmart now weāve got children driving trucks with us. I know quite a few drivers that are looking for a way out.
aboywithhorns@reddit
More context is needed here. Those associates are hitting less shit than the 3-10 year guys. They are learning from the best to do shit the Walmart way which is indeed safer than most places. Safer than any place I ever worked. I get that feeling like have āchildrenā with us. But they arenāt getting the slipshod training that a grand majority of us got through the mill companies turning our bodies left and right. With over worked trainers.
Walmart has its issues for sure. This mileage change isnāt a huge deal. I think it will be further hell on the dpf systems. Last company turned up to 65 from 62 because of rolling regen efficiency coming up short. As far as money? Nah if you work here you know you donāt have to chase it. It comes. If you are a 5 day guy you are probably backing up your clock anyway if you can. Will there cases where at the end of the day you could have made it farther almost definitely. There will be such an uproar they will almost certainly try to cushion this with some kind of pay adjustment.
They donāt want to lose those old heads man. And the vast majority who would leave over this, be it newbies or old heads, should leave. They told us when we got hired that Walmart is ALWAYS changing. If you canāt hang then you need to figure that out.
The way our stuff runs (Iām out of Hopkinsville KY) it is incredibly rare that Iām hitting my 11 before my 14. My best days are between 450-500 miles with like 15 activities. Hell 500 miles and 8 plus the layover is almost 500 bucks. Thats great and an easy day. Running all miles and no activities is exhausting and less money period.
ProtestedGyro@reddit
We got told to obey the speed limit at work and my coworker is having endless conniption fits. He thrives on sadness and victimhood.
Q7017@reddit
Why throw fits when you can just... buy your own truck and go as fast as you want? I don't get the drama, as an o/o. You signed up to go slow.
TehFlip@reddit
I'm going to have to steal this. "He thrives on sadness and victimhood" š
We've got one too. We always joke when he takes time off by saying things like "well, who the hell are we supposed to screw over now that he's not here?" Because I swear 95% of his day is complaining to anyone that will listen how he's constantly getting screwed.
I mean honestly, if you feel like this so much every day, why have you worked here for 25 years? Because secretly, they thrive on it š
meizhong@reddit
I run my own truck now, it will go 80. I've been going 64 ever since fuel went up.
Naw_im_sayin@reddit
I wonder when other O/Oās will follow suit. Itās amazing how much $ people save by going 62āish mph.
I have no idea how O/Oās driving 70mph+ make a buck these days.
TheFringedLunatic@reddit
They donāt, but they pass the blame onto foreigners driving down the rates because obviously those people are the problem.
TableChairguy@reddit
Why not both
Metro4050@reddit
Tens of thousands of foreign drivers have had their CDLs revoked in the past few months, you all should be raking in more than enough to offset the increased cost of fuel. They were, after all, the reason loads were going for two or three dollars per mile instead of the ten dollars a gear jamming, full blooded AMERICAN super trucker with a long nosed Pete would command. Or so I've been lead to believe.
Don't tell me freight rates are still shit despite the vile scourge of foreign drivers being actively removed by our lord and savior Donald John Trump and his fine administration of only THE BEST (no DEI hires) people.
Maybe it has less to do with foreigners and more to do with deregulation which has made trucking a race to the bottom for almost fifty years. The American consumer* has been getting a nice discount on the backs of truckers for a long time.
*That discount has likely been absorbed by the corporations now but it's still coming at the expense of truckers.
anxious_polarbear@reddit
Nailed it, with emphasis on corporate profits instead of consumer discounts.
Timmy98789@reddit
Some just don't understand both problems can be true at once.Ā
P3tr0@reddit
I forget how often Reddit comments just be saying shit
We're doing just fine, rates have been curving with the fuel price. Anyone not pushing more fsc on their bids are clueless.
About the foreigner thing tho that's literally any racist morning o/o or company
whats_a_corrado@reddit
Shit our fsc for just 1 load can cover 2-2.5 loads even running our w9 let alone our econo boxes. A good chunk of our stuff is pretty lightweight. We get fuel cheaper than pump prices as well.
P3tr0@reddit
Yeah I don't get why the clue less in here just pull shit out of their ass especially when there's a large chunk of us in here who know what we're talking about. Every other thread it's some mouth breather "O/Os are being put out of business!" meanwhile it's just another Wednesday.
KingOfSpeedSR71@reddit
Seriously. Just wake up and go "oh yeah this bullhonkey again" and keep on in stride.
meizhong@reddit
Entire elections have been won on "obviously those people are the problem."
Murica!
P3tr0@reddit
Doing just fine slowing down to 72, averaging 6.2-7.2 depending on the load. When fuel is at it's regular price I run typically 5 over, 6.4 mpg average. This is in a 03 Freightliner mind you.
DukeBradford2@reddit
limited to 70mph, 7.15mpg 2025 freightliner.
P3tr0@reddit
Is that a steady mpg for ya or is that best case scenario? My sister is running a 24 Cascadia that seems to float around 6.8-7.2 @72mph
Mystery_Chaser@reddit
If you run 5 miles an hour over you're literally getting there 30 seconds fast faster. Do you realize this?
P3tr0@reddit
You know this is the Trucker subreddit right? If you're going 5 miles down the road a few mph makes no significant difference, maybe spared a light cycle or two. A 1000 mile trip @70 is roughly 14hr15m, a bump in pace to 75 is 13hr20m. A shaved off close to an hour.
I'll do you one better, Orlando FL to LA CA is a 2500mi run, per Google maps adjusting for traffic it's 37 hours, it's 35 hours if you can keep place consistently at 70mph. At 75 it's 33. If run it at night at 75, maybe even occasionally 80 when it's legal to do so I can go to LA, reload and come back home in the same 70 hour work week. At 70mph i would need to stop for a 34hr reset. I would know because I've ran this exact lane for an entire summer for Disney Cruise lines.
CobraWasTaken@reddit
Idk, when I had my own truck I tried doing 61mph to save fuel and I never noticed much of a difference in fuel mileage. I had a T680. I think modern trucks are way better at higher speeds. They're more aerodynamic. For a company that has hundreds or even thousands of trucks, it'll be a noticable amount of savings. For a single owner operator? Chump change. And driving faster means you drive the same distance and use less of your HOS drive time, which means more miles.
rockypoint28457@reddit
My fuel bill has went up 1k a week. I still run 73 on average. My last 3 loads were 13k 2800 miles 6k 1300 miles 3k.300 miles. I'll just be mad at paying the 1k over losing 2-3 loads a month. We all haul something different and have different circumstances. Mine dictate I just keep riding.
ba123blitz@reddit
Different gearing in the axles
beavismorpheus@reddit
Hell yeah. 3.08 gears, double overdrive in 18th gear, some of those guys cruise 75 mph at only like 1400rpm!
PrivatePilot9@reddit
Gearing doesn't change the laws of physics, going faster still uses more energy (therefore, diesel) at the end of the day. There is NO way around that.
Ok_Assistant_6856@reddit
Low RPM won't make up for much.. You're gonna be burning a LOT more fuel at 75 vs 62
KingOfSpeedSR71@reddit
Backside, higher rears allow you to run in direct at a higher speed. A 3.08 rear for an 18 on tall 22.5 or lo pro 24.5 would ve in the sweet spot at 60-62 MPH for an X15. Running in direct is the most fuel efficient gear.
beavismorpheus@reddit
Oh shiiiiiit! š¤Æ
ba123blitz@reddit
Not even a trucker but I just know it from off reading jeeps. Jumping from 3.55 to 4.88 gives quite a bit of pep especially with bigger tires but youāll notice the difference in MPGs and RPMs immediately
beavismorpheus@reddit
Yup. It all depends on the application. "Best" truck gearing, gun, computer, whatever equipment.
Sometimes the drivers would argue at the yard over who gets to take the truck with the better gear ratio. Of course the boss didn't like us taking it because the fuel bill lol. Could just leave it in 10th gear and pull our little Midwestern hills. All the other trucks we'd constantly row between 9th and 10th. I was blown away by the difference. Felt like it was souped up.
meizhong@reddit
They have to consider the extra fuel cost vs loosing 1 load because they hit 70 hours. I run the same 550 miles every day.
Nebraska716@reddit
You are making more every mile when you slow down. Driving fast and having a poor margin that load doesnāt gain you much. Thinking like that is how must owner operators go broke. Drive less miles and keep more money per mile
KingOfSpeedSR71@reddit
Same way we always have. Knowing when and where to punch. It's not rocket surgery.
mvamv@reddit
Back in 2023 I was paying an average of $5.50 a gallon with a truck averaging 5.5mpg running 70-75mph, and I was still making a profit.
the_big_stew@reddit
$8-12 per mile rates is how I'm making a few bucks. I add more if O/D or heavy, but I'm usually 50-60k gross at that rate, but have had as little as 1200lbs on my deck at the same rate.
SuperReleasio64@reddit
I'll only go 70+ if I'm about to turn the truck into a biohazard.
Mystery_Chaser@reddit
What is your arrival time difference between the two speeds?
whitecollarpizzaman@reddit
Iām a car hauler, not my own truck, but my company governs us at 72 because those things wonāt do any better going 65. Might as well get us places faster.
a116jxb@reddit
Back in 2008 I would set my cruise on 58 and just watch everyone pass me. That was also with paper logs, mind you
Enough_Perspective_2@reddit
Iāve been going 65 and all the drivers on I-40 looking at me like Iām crazy
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
I don't have a governor besides redline.
I've been doing 77 down to as low as 50 depending on delivery time frame.
I'm not gonna drive slow to be late, but I know I don't gotta arrive early either.
dank_memes_911@reddit
Hopefully not going 50 on an interstate, thatās just a safety hazard at that speed.
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
Yup. 45 minimum so, I was doing 5 over.
dank_memes_911@reddit
Depends on gearing I guess. in my truck going 50 12th gear lugs the engine too much to be worth it, Iād say 58-62 is a good balance for mpg and not running the rpmās too low.
Independent_Leg7358@reddit
A lot of the engines are happy with a slow cruise load around 1100-1200rpm. Don't wanna lug or use extra rpm.
Let's just say with owning multiple trucks, I drive the oldest and shittiest of the fleet to keep my employees happy. My 99 isn't aerodynamic by today's standards and the rear end is geared for 55mph. 1350rpm 55 mph 1300-1400rpm is peak torque on most diesels which is where you get your most efficient pull. Below that you can still gain fuel savings as long as the load isn't heavy.
Q7017@reddit
I also own my truck and average about 64, but I would rather have the option to go 80 if I need to than be forced to drive 62...
meizhong@reddit
That's very true.
On the one hand, Walmart knows nobody's going to go 62 just cause they asked, on the other hand, limiting drivers ability to pass someone without creating a traffic jam, especially when they speed up when you go to pass.
miatadvr@reddit
Locked on 60-62. Itāll get there when it gets there
P3tr0@reddit
I backed off to about 70-72, my truck is old tho so mpg was always consistently within .5 of 6.5mpg. fuel cost really hasn't been a major concern at all last few years, we've been beating brokers over the head with the rates to compensate, so you know mostly business as usual.
speedbumpdoom@reddit
We're talking about 3 mph. A maximum "loss" of 33 miles per 11 hour driving shift. The thing is that you're never going to even notice it because few drivers actually max out their 11 and you'll almost never maintain the maximum speed for the full 11. You typically end up spending a decent amount of time slowing down behind other vehicles waiting for an opportunity to pass them. I used to listen to Kevin Rutherford and I vaguely remember him referencing some studies about the actual miles lost annually when dropping 5 mph. It's worth it because it's easier driving and less stressful while sacrificing pretty much no pay. I drive 60 or 62 in my car and love it. I'm not fighting with anyone or changing lanes all the time. I don't feel tired or wore out after driving. It's been pretty decent. 65 to 62 is a good change because you don't have to worry about passing many other trucks besides prime. It's less stress.
charonco@reddit
At their current average CPM it's about a $2 an hour pay cut. It's not devastating, but it's not nothing. I think people would have the right to complain about a $2 an hour pay cut.
speedbumpdoom@reddit
In order for a driver to lose 2 bucks an hour, they would currently have to max out their 11 and run 715 miles, right? Your math requires the absolute maximum number of miles achievable to be obtained on the 11 hours of driving, right? I'm genuinely trying to understand how drivers are going to lose enough miles to create a drop that significant in pay.
speedbumpdoom@reddit
Compared to what? That 33 miles per day is not going to be noticed. It's easier to maintain an average of 62 mph than an average of 65 mph because of the amount of slowing down throughout the entire day. You have to slow down more often from 65 than 62. Even with a truck governed to 65, most drivers are only going to average around 60 to 62 mph depending on traffic and terrain. I used to team drive in Schneider trucks governed to 65. The max number of miles achievable in 11 hours was 715. I only did that a handful of times and that was before the mandatory 30 minute break was created. Realistically, it's more like 600 to 650 miles per day. If you could manage to run at 62 mph for 11 hours straight, it's 682 miles. It's just not realistic to expect to go 65 for 11 hours straight. The laws of averages are going to win here. You have to slow down more for slower traffic when you are going faster. You don't have to slow down as much when you are going slower, so, it's easier to maintain a higher overall average.
Since the pay is based on miles actually driven instead of what you could theoretically do, dropping from 65 to 62 will have pretty much no impact on pay. I really only say "pretty much" because of the rare times that you might be able to average 63 to 65 for an entire 11 hours and that's not going to happen often. Trucks governed to 70 don't average 770 miles in 11 hours. They are forced to slow down for traffic and terrain.
Mystery_Chaser@reddit
The facts are:
The time differential between driving 55 miles an hour and 70 miles an hour is less than five minutes to the target.
Speeding doesn't get you anywhere any faster.Ā It's not like if you drive 75 miles an hour you're gonna get there an hour sooner, we're half hour sooner, or even 10 minutes sooner.
SexMachine666@reddit
I've proven to at least 2 terminal managers at different companies that I can achieve a higher mpg at highway speeds of 70-75 than driving at 65 or 62. I worked for a company that the owner himself could not be convinced even in the face of the lower fuel bill at the end of the week.
Modern trucks are made to run and achieve peak mpg at 72-75mph and the ONLY reason that to use speed limiters is because insurance companies are encouraging it.
The company I work for now was told by the insurance company to govern ours at 65 and the owner told them to fuck right off 𤣠I average 7-8mpg and run 75-80.
tech_0912@reddit
They want to do what Swift used to run at? My how times have changed.
itsaheem@reddit
pedal to the metal
Microshlongg@reddit
That explains why a bunch of Walmart trucks were going 62 mph in the middle lane in Little Rock today as long as they stay in the right lane it shouldnāt be a problem. They are well compensated so itās not a problem now if this was a mega carrier, with shitty pay going 62 then itāll be a big issue.
badmechanic12345@reddit
I've got 3.73 gears in the rear and have found 68 mph i get the best fuel savings compared to 62. It all has to do with gearing to get the best fuel. When I was just a driver at one company I had a truck that got its best milage at 75 mph and I dont remember what gears it had
Requettie@reddit
I usually see them go 63/64.
Couldnāt stand being governed there, I like to pass people quick and have my space. Being an overnight driver helps with having space too.
Shug_Shayne@reddit
Going 62 in a country where majority of the highways is 70, is fucking dangerous
charonco@reddit
If somebody going 8 mph slower than you is dangerous for you, you probably should not have a CDL.
Shug_Shayne@reddit
If you think going slower than the flow of traffic is safer, you probably should not be on the road.
charonco@reddit
Then explain why Walmart is one of the safest large fleets in the country.
ThellraAK@reddit
Did Walmart start using truck stops?
I thought they only fueled in their DCs
charonco@reddit
We're allowed to use pilot if we absolutely have to, but we're only supposed to get what we need to get back to a DC. That doesn't really mean anything when it comes to fuel prices, they're still paying a higher price than they were a few months ago.
ThellraAK@reddit
Oh no, I get that, I'm just saying that it's probably fairly unlikely that WM is going to talk any chain down to beat filling at a DC, that's just... Only the wholesale cost of fuel.
charonco@reddit
Absolutely. That's exactly why they want us to try to only fill at the DC's.
derekschroer@reddit
we aren't always going to be near a DC when we need fuel. and right now my home DC's fuel bay is down, meaning I have to fuel at PFJ
Feeling_Display8750@reddit
Top speed is rarely going to make any difference in your pay. Walmart has us doing several stops per day, top speed just doesnāt matter much when youāre stopping 3-6 times per day
Ok_Bug_6470@reddit
Most older drivers used to be governed that low, driver. Itās still pretty much the best job in the industry, all around. Trucks are going autonomous a lot sooner than later so maybe theyāre trying to establish a model to where theyāll be able to compete w that and the electrics once they both become ubiquitous. Iād say itās more of a safety thing than it is for fuel. Or not.
BiggHass18@reddit
I saw that on fb in the driver group today and hoped it wasnāt true. I remember a few years ago our dc started talking about fuel costs/saving at every spring/winter training and was afraid this was eventually going to be the end result.
kang9400@reddit
Iām oop and I bought my first truck govnd at 65 and im keeping it there lol
thebugman40@reddit
walmart likely has already negotiated the fuel rates. my father did the math for the company he works at. for every $1 increase at the pump costs the company $30,000,000 annually. Walmart is trying to save money on deasil. the only way this would let them save money on compensating drivers is if they can find a way to make the routes shorter.
One_Recover_673@reddit
Itās not about retiring old drivers. Itās Walmart, they study everything to confirm they can save money. Itās always about costs and you can bet somebody ran the numbers and now they n ed to prove 62 is a winner
EscapeWestern9057@reddit
They'd better stay off the turnpike.
derpmcturd@reddit (OP)
Im guessing a "no toll roads" rule is coming down the pipeline one day soon
EscapeWestern9057@reddit
That could probably go on route 1 in Delaware, since that's 65MPH I believe. But going 8 under in a 70 where everyone else is going like 80 is gonna be an issue.
Cool_Thanks_4934@reddit
Walmart sucks because of slip seating not speed or pay. Hell Iād do 60 if it payed well.
derpmcturd@reddit (OP)
Many here are not slip seating. Getting an assigned truck is actually very easy.
Cool_Thanks_4934@reddit
Wow! I didnāt know that. Iāve heard that trucks were assigned to routes more than drivers. How long do they usually stay out? 62 wouldnt really bother me much. Less stressful I would think. Definitely more parking options!
Johnnyblackx3@reddit
I drive 55. :( Sometimes when I feel naughty....ill go 57.
okron1k@reddit
I was governed at 62 at an old company I worked for. Surprisingly was still passing people, and still getting passed a lot. The company eventually raised it back up to 65.
Cool_Thanks_4934@reddit
It will be more hrs on the road but I found its slightly less stressful. Iād rather be passed then being the one passing. That makes for a long day constantly changing lanes to pass. As long as the company realizes it will take longer to arrive even A little. My truck does 70 but I usually end up just pacing behind 67-68 trucks. What the hell is that anyway? Do 65 or do 70 for f$&k sake.
PlsCheckThisBush@reddit
Ever since Sam Walton passed and the kids took over the company went downhill for drivers. The whole goal is to save money for the company and if youāre not getting a piece of the pie itās zero benefit to you.
CA_Orange@reddit
Is $100k/yr for an easy delivery job not enough, for you?
What more do you want?
Caveman23r@reddit
300k/yr, 80 mph trucks, and no cameras
Cool_Thanks_4934@reddit
Not even forward facing? That has saved my ass A couple of times from crazy 4 wheelers.
Caveman23r@reddit
Forward facing would be ok with no telemetry and on the windshield so it can't see reflection
Whitehoneybun666@reddit
I couldnāt do it my last 2 trucks did 80+ now Iām in a truck going 68 Iām so bored behind the wheel
bigolchimneypipe@reddit
Now's the time to get talk to text software for you laptop so you can start that book you've always wanted to write while you're driving.
Whitehoneybun666@reddit
At this point your right gotta keep the mind occupied
Sterling_____Archer@reddit
This isnāt a big hurdle for drivers to adjust to, but when the BIG hurdle does come along, wouldnāt it be nice for those Wal-Mart drivers to have a union?
Matlovestruck@reddit
Slower trucks = longer transit times = more time sitting at docks = more detention. And guess who's not paying those detention fees? Walmart. It's always about saving them money while costing you time. The "fuel savings" pitch is just the PR version.
charonco@reddit
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. As a Walmart driver we don't get detention, per se. If we're doing a backhaul and it goes longer than 45 minutes we get paid a whopping $16 an hour to wait. I've never had that happen. We don't sit at docks usually because 90% of the GM loads are drop and hook. When we do have to live unload at the store it's usually done within 30 minutes.
As far as non-walmart drivers delivering to the DC's Walmart does pay detention. At least they did when I was with prime. With prime I usually got about $70 an hour after the first 2 hours.
Goldleader-23@reddit
Lol drivers will riot. We already hate being limited to 65. No way this gets widely adopted
charonco@reddit
Has your DC started the new IP loads? I don't know of anybody who liked those or the forced earlier start times, but they didn't care about that.
Slinkity-@reddit
I think it would be fine if:
No more slip seating. Period.
Id like to see 4 paystubs at 65, and 4 at 62.
derpmcturd@reddit (OP)
I know many who dont slip seat anymore, they clean out their truck at the end of the week even though its still their truck lol, many do slip seat though.
charonco@reddit
I don't know about your DC, but at mine the rule is they have to clean out their truck because somebody else might need to use it.
oasuke@reddit
Walmart pays too much for any driver to ever care about this. They could limit them to 55 and I highly doubt anyone would quit. That's just how much better they pay than the average trucking job.
stjhnstv@reddit
Back around ā08 when fuel hit $5 for the first time, I cruised at 58. There were a lot of times where my FSC was actually more than my fuel cost as a result. I ran less miles and made more money. Everybody knows fuel economy makes a difference, but I think a lot of people donāt realize that 1mpg can be upwards of $20k a year per truck at current prices.
derpmcturd@reddit (OP)
Once they go to 62, they're never going back to 65. Today it's 62, 5 years from now, 60. Eventually, 55. Save this post.
Hoops4U@reddit
I stay between 65-68 haul ing empty and fully loaded containers at 78,000 lbs and I get 7.8 MPG not too bad
JaviersitoSuavesito@reddit
My company truck goes 75 the majority of the day down i35. Bossman said drop speeds to 65 for the forseeable future. I save about 10 gallons a day and add 1 hour a day to my weekly clock. On overtime i make 35/hr if he pays 5 buck a gallon he saves 15 dollars a day. Multiply it by the drivers in the fleet (8) and hes saving almost about 600 a week. 2400 a month. 28,800 a year. Thats money that can go to his next Denali, or bycicle thats worth more than my personal vehicle.
hugothebear@reddit
Paid by the hour iāll volunteer, otherwise no
derpmcturd@reddit (OP)
Forgot to add, no benefit to the volunteers for volunteering lol
stephenhoskins32@reddit
Are you paid by the hour? If you're paid by the mile they should up the pay to compensate the difference in distance you can go
userfriendly1116@reddit
Just another way to stretch the workday for a bit more profit without passing any of it to the employees
Ayyeee_justin@reddit
What dc are you at? Iām in Columbus Ohio and looking to apply in August as soon as I hit 30mo
derpmcturd@reddit (OP)
You'll do your testing in Seymour IN for a week then yes you'll get sent to columbus (if they have openings).
Ayyeee_justin@reddit
Which dc are you based out of and I pm you as well
Ghost-1911@reddit
62 is ridiculous. Good luck with that.
goalmaster14@reddit
If paid by the hour, I'll go as slow as they want me to. If you're paid by the mile, it's really shitty and essentially a pay cut.
TruckerAlurios@reddit
Can we work on selling off the 39598575 storage trailers we have clogging the yard first? No? Ok, gonna be lazy as shit then.
Riyeko@reddit
Personally I wonder where they would go?
I work with a company that has multiple trailers that are classified as empty, but in reality there's three filled with mechanical parts, 2 that have trash, three others that won't work (the refer unit), and one that's missing an axle among various other shit that's wrong with it.
Some of those trailers might be storage for... Whatever.
TruckerAlurios@reddit
Most of them are empty and 20+ years old, we legit have 300 or so on my dc yard. They're all beat to hell to the point they'll never be road legal again. Just blows my mind how bad it is.
Riyeko@reddit
Oh I get this I really do.
I just think it's wild that the trailers I'm in charge of, that are filled with trash, it would take maybe an hour or so to pull the trash out and throw it in the proper cans (we have a lot of cardboard and plastic so the trash Co wants it separated).
trucksarekewl@reddit
Man I hope they limit all of them to 62, tired of fighting them mf at 65 lol
ChiTruckDGAF@reddit
Nixon had it right, be thankful they aren't governing you at 55 mph.Ā
DaRealMexicanTrucker@reddit
Stright up. I did 55 in my Tundra from Hisperia, CA to Bishop, CA. Put on some Waylon Jennings and Merle Haggard. Took my absolute sweet ass time. 24mpg.
fmccloud@reddit
OPās post is a good example of what happens when you let ideology dictate how you think. Instead of settling on the most obvious, simple issue facing the industry. High fuel prices.
duhrun@reddit
I drive around that speed and my truck goes faster, but I have been driving a long time and it doesnāt bother me.
Niko120@reddit
Slow ass trucks do nothing but create dangerous situations where every vehicle behind them has to pass them. There are so many one lane highways with very limited safe passing areas all over rural America. This just causes everyone to make unsafe passes
seneeb@reddit
I'm kinda scared my company is about to do this since they just gave us a 5cpm raise
Vanstrucker2222@reddit
If you do sign up and do give feed back, I would suggest, you suggest to have a sign saying max speed 62 mph for safety be put on the back of trailers.
Ninja-Storyteller@reddit
I'll go 62 if I'm paid by the hour.
R34CTz@reddit
Yea, I bet Walmarts profits are really hurting because of fuel prices. This is ridiculous.
LuisChoriz@reddit
This shift seems driven by cost-savings, especially with how much fuel prices fluctuate. There is likely a "sweet spot" where the company can save money on gas without losing too much time. This also aligns with the FMCSAās recent efforts to limit trucks to 65 mph for safety. Historically, weāve seen this before (probably the least likely reason): the U.S. dropped the limit to 55 mph in 1974 to save fuel during the oil crisis. As for the idea that this is a way to push people out, it seems unlikely. If drivers are willing to leave one of the best-paying jobs in the industry over a small speed change, they probably aren't a good fit for the company anyway.
MostlyUseful@reddit
Back in the early 2000ās I took a break from flatbedding after an accident and drove for Kroger for a couple years. While I was there, they cut the trucks from 65ish to 62 saying it was going to save so much money in fuel. Hereās what it did to the driversā¦the longer runs that we were able to do in a shift turned into layover runs, company had to pay for hotel and meals along with layover pay (because Teamsters). Drivers hated it all around. Boss made bank of his bonuses though. I left because I wanted to get back to flatbed, but a lot of senior drivers stayed because of the money. Course they told us that it was saving money in fuel, but we had no way of verifying that since the trucks were fueled on the yard by the fuel guy anyways. It was tough back then, but now with the increase in traffic and how traffic in general is speeding like crazy, itās really gonna suck for you guys.
TactualTransAm@reddit
I gave 7 years of my life to Walmart, but in stores not a truck. The bottom line is the only number they care about. You can have all the conspiracies you wish, the simple truth is they don't care about your employe number, they care about profit numbers. They will do anything and everything to drive that number up.
k1200lti@reddit
If they change us to 62 and people quit, I can move into one of the quitters assigned trucks on the better routes...
SnooCakes1586@reddit
Letās be real. If youāre driving 10 hours a day, and youāre going 3 mph slower, you can realistically lose out on 30 miles. As a WMT driver we would lose what, $20? If youāre even maxing out your 11 anyways and not doing a bunch of store deliveries. I donāt think this is as drastic as it seems, as generally we canāt even hold 65 for that long unless youāre just driving interstates the whole day.
TableChairguy@reddit
So yea only adding multiple hours to your work week to make less money. Bootlicker
Beautiful_Cod_6524@reddit
Truth be told, you can only lose miles by driving a shorter distance. The bottleneck in traffic you caught is due more to timing, but the route miles are mostly the same, sans, a major detour. We don't lose time ever, we adjust accordingly! Those who don't drive themselves to death, or out of the job.
MoosiePie22@reddit
Dude 20 dollars a day adds up to a lot of money overtime
robexib@reddit
It's artificially limiting how much a driver can earn, full stop. I was fine with E-logs because th y at least limit how hard yourv employer can run you, this guy s just a net loss for the driver.
I'd rather give a driver $20 than Walton $20.
peffer32@reddit
I think the driver can use that $20 a day better than the Walton family.
Islanderwithwings@reddit
Owner ops run on 30-60-90 day cycles.
When did the war with Iran start? Early April? June is the FAFO moment when the bills come due š. Some have their fuel bills every Wednesday.
For me, a majority of my customers are in the Northeast. Capstone is starting to charge $300 late fees, $300 rescheduling fees. So I am juggling between fuel and circus extortion fees.
Idk what's going on in the NJ turnpike. But the center lane has become the slow lane, right lane hammer lane. Left lane at 100mph for cars.
4StateTrucks@reddit
Gotta try and save the fuel. As a fleets biggest cost, even a tiny increase in the fleet average MPG will save them a ton of money with these crazy fuel prices. Most O/O's will self govern to increase the money left after paying all the bills. Why would a large corporation be any different? -Jeremy
TruckerSmarter@reddit
Good for me. I wouldn't have them flying by on the I80 anymore when going to Cleveland.
MCryptoWars@reddit
One of the main problems with 62 mph governors, is that drivers tend to start falling asleep, especially at night. When I first started trucking years ago, I was driving governed trucks at 62 mph and I was dosing off a lot. Now that my truck is governed at 68 mph, I never dose off or anything, and never fatigued š! Also, when climbing big hills, itās best to drive as fast as you can legally, to have enough speed when entering the hill with a heavy load to not impede other trucks behind you.
mblack1993@reddit
I turned my cruise down to 62 for a couple of weeks because I got tired of sitting behind morons going 63-64, because they weren't paying attention to what they were doing. It's not that bad, but I can see how it would get irritating to a lot of people. I sure wouldn't quit over it though.
TheJuggernaut043@reddit
65 is the happy medium for fleet drivers. Anything under 65 & people start complaining.
Raeezordazetoo@reddit
I can tell you they are already cheaping out in other areas, after being at their Grove City yard. Holy crap that place is terrible. And the construction there is only making it worse.
fastnsx21@reddit
I was at TMC when they used to do 62. It's actually pretty chill. Rarely had to try to pass
ID_Poobaru@reddit
Iām with Amazon and limited to 62
Environmental-Pear40@reddit
Great, y'all gonna be racing prime. We're already stuck in the traffic behind y'all, just haven't realized it yet.
20milliondollarapi@reddit
Most Walmart trucks I see seem to be going 63 already as I pass them at 65 regularly.
Elite_Slacker@reddit
You answered your question immediately (save fuel) then dove off into weird conspiracies.Ā