What are your thoughts on this?
Posted by Starfalloss@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 644 comments
Posted by Starfalloss@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 644 comments
Federer91@reddit
Bringing migrants is always the cheapest and ugliest way to suppress workers salary, rights, growth etc. Employers don't want to invest in their staff and optimizing their business, when they have a highway to just get dirt cheap labor from African/Asian/Latin American countries.
And not kid ourselfs with "Europeans don't want to do said jobs, so we have no choice". No, Europeans don't want to do certain jobs for slave money in awful work conditions...
1wikingman@reddit
How can you possibly believe that natives suffer from shitty jobs like cleaning all being done by immigrants for cheap? We are literally exploiting them.
LinkNo2714@reddit
as if that’s a good thing
1wikingman@reddit
It might be morally wrong but that's not the argument I was responding to.
Svetlio1231@reddit
Try reading his post again before asking that
1wikingman@reddit
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Footballking420@reddit
Bro... It's a bit different when the able-bodied men are dying from a war defending a country. Ukraine can only think short-term for now
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
It's happening all over Balkans already anyway. OK not in all countries but in big chunk of countries it is. Croatia = already going on, same in Serbia, it also slowly started happening in Montenegro...
So yea, interesting future incoming.
circlecircling@reddit
Yes because we Croatians do not make kids and they do, it is really simple to understand
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
What is your point? :D
I just stated that it's happening in rest of nearby countries too, that's about it. Reasons behind why is it happening are multiple but "not having kids" is far, far from the main one and even if it was, you have to find the root cause (why are people not having "enough kids") instead of pretending like importing foreign workers on all fronts (that usually work for bare minimum) is going to fix the problem you are mentioning.
With this tempo in 20-30 years we'll have situation where Pakistani in Zagreb will argue with Indian from Belgrade about whos *stasa vs *etnik... Fun times definitely.
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
It's happening all over for sure. Whoever benefits from it has a special place in hell. Tgey want to destroy ethno states for good. I don't really mind good working people that focus on making their life better and their environment but they usually import scum that make life a lot worse.
Just_Ad_6236@reddit
There is no reported crime from these ppl that work in factories or tourism in the balkans, so your argument “they usually import scum” and wanting an “ethno state” is solely based on your prejudice and racism.
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Today some immigrants stole equipment thousand of euros in Albania and left the country. Just today, it has happened before as well, different things.
Just_Ad_6236@reddit
You really want to go into one isolated case where some immigrants stole from Albania, while literally Albanians are one of the immigrant groups with the highest crime rate in Europe ahead of Moroccan, Algerians or subsaharan Africans.
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Not isolated, and don't change the subject. I don't give a fuck for what happens outside Albania with Albanians.
BudoB@reddit
So no ethnic Albanians steal stuff? Or is it only a problem when it's immigrants?
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Albanians came with the package. Immigrants not. Of course it's a problem for us what fo you think?
BudoB@reddit
So crime isn't crime, it's different depending on who does it? Every time this is brought up it's like "Immigrant murdered a woman with a hammer" so immediately it's "get rid of all immigrants" instead of "vast majority of immigrants don't do crime". People here seem to rather believe in conspiracies instead of the simple truth: rich people need cheap labor and will do whatever and bring whoever will work for less.
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Of course it's a crime. You can't deport locals though that's the idea.
Modestpath99@reddit
Would you say this is also the case with the Albanians in Western Europe ? Because this trope also gets floated around by certain people.
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Definitely yes 100%,.
vonPetrozk@reddit
No one thinks of destroying nation states. All they want is balancing the lack of young people (qka workforce) and the very low reproduction rates so the capitalist economies (growing is the most important) and the wellfare programmes can be maintained. Without any immigration, Europe would be a very depopulated and aged continent by 2100. Eariler in the Balkans as it is in a much tougher position since lots of people left their countries for the West.
Various-Basket-2467@reddit
What about stop sending young people die in senseless war and making ultimate incentive for people making kids then ?
We make everything possible to de incentivize people from making kids and then ask for foreign remplacement this is genocide.
Designer-Message-813@reddit
When will China start taking immigrants?
vonPetrozk@reddit
Good question. As far as I know, they are in a very bad demographic situation and the most they did so far was enabling people to have more kids. They won't be able to reverse the demographic decline just like that.
Let's be honest with each other. What would you like to imply? That in case China doesn't take in immigrants, taking in immigrants isn't the immediate solution to the lack of workforce?
melymn@reddit
Simple, when it starts lacking the workforce.
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
I don't either as long as they are willing to integrate into local culture and follow the rules. Sadly that's not the case in a lot of situations.
So far from what I've seen Filipinos are and I give them kudos for that, others not so much.
vladimir-pula@reddit
Integration doesn’t exist anymore in Europe. What was once perfectly logical and normal today is considered violation of human rights or something else serving some retarded political agenda. Ofc one had to have documents, visa, learn the local language, send kids to school, pay taxes and behave. Isn’t that perfectly logical? Nobody ever asked any questions…. Now well we all know what’s happening. You can’t show a cross or serve ham in a school and I don’t even know why I wrote that example , because there are way worse things.
Entire_Program9370@reddit
Integration is the trap, we had so many Europeans that imigrated from former AH and balkans that imigrated, and it mostly worked because of similar faith/customs/language, but also because they assimilated easily. Not meaning anything bad by this, but they didnt stand out. They werent even physically different, werent treated different, didnt or were segregated themselves as much beacuase of perceived difference and nobody filled their head that beacuase they look different they are special, deserve priviledges, representation or are victims of something.
All of this is different now, as well as scale of migration and demographic trends. I dont see this working out with respect to host peoples considering all mentioned.
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Because Philippinos already have a similar lifestyle more or less. You can't expect the same from other third world countries like India or middle east or Africa. Rich Indians won't come to work for 500 euros in an Albanian factory, they are too diverse in their own country which generalizing them isn't easy or even possible to be honest.
GameXGR@reddit
It's a difficult situation for the Balkans because they can't make any skilled worker work for them when most developed nations are already competing for them, even though Trump has the USA less attractive, the average South Asian makes 6 figures USD, and only those who can't will consider Europe/Gulf, of those who can't manage there would then go to the Balkans possibly.
SiofraRiver@reddit
Good, ethnostates are nazi shit.
deviendrais@reddit
My brother, this is how people in Western Europe talk about us.
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Yes, dont be stupid like sweden, take care of your country and your people
Educational_Gas_92@reddit
Or they want to create the conditions for people to accept things that would have been viewed as unacceptable in prior decades...Africa is a wealthy continent, very wealthy...the problem is that it has people on it.
How do we empty Africa, and how do we make our populations accept and even desire the unacceptable? Well easy, no one likes unwanted guests, let's invite people who are completely different and incompatible mentally and physically...then we have resentful natives who are now more accepting of unsavory ideas...
History is full of those kinds of situations, not European history, human history...different people don't mix well, eventually.
padel_zdravlje@reddit
Interesting = horrible
Special-Remove-3294@reddit
Saying this as a Balkan person is wild when our nations had their people fuck off to the West for decades bruh.
padel_zdravlje@reddit
How does that make any sense?
Special-Remove-3294@reddit
Cause our people went to the West as immigrants and complaining about other migrants coming to us now is like extremely hypocritical....
padel_zdravlje@reddit
No it's not. Westerners have every right to not accept us, and we have every right to not want multiculturalism.
Even if your argument did make any sense, why would us who stayed have to suffer because of the ones that got out?
Special-Remove-3294@reddit
What suffering? It matters little to me or others if all the people in my city are Romanians or if there are also migrants here. Makes the city more diverse tbh. Maybe people would become more open minded hopefully🤷♀️
Regardless our governments should bring back the immigrants we sent to thr West if they want to not be giant hypocrites when complaining about migration....
I for one I care little for migrants. Hell I probably will be one and move to West cause Romania is shit and corrupt and I don't want to live under these clowns + half the population is geniuaely imbecilic and uneducated to an extremely amount and I am tried of neanderthals with 7 classes who never finished school😒
padel_zdravlje@reddit
Then go and stop trying to ruin the society you obviously hate
BigDummy1286@reddit
GDP go up, of course this is the most important factor for a society /s
mofocris@reddit
How many kids do you have?
BigDummy1286@reddit
More than 0, less than 4
Mashinekalibar123@reddit
More importantly. GDP per capita doesnt really go up. Infact in Canada it even shrunk despite all new tech we have from 2020
enhelspecial@reddit
Thats the point. The rich wants a larger economy but they also want you to become poorer.
Win-Win for the rich.
Citaku357@reddit
Yep and that number has to go up ni matter what and it can't be stopped
melymn@reddit
Well yeah, Balkan locals have been moving west- and northwards for better working opportunities for decades. Asian and African economic migrants are doing the same thing. Can hardly blame them for that?
MrDDD11@reddit
The biggest immagrint groups in Serbia are: 1. Russians 2. Chinese 3. Ukrainians 4. South Asian workers 5. African workers
The last 2 leave when their working visa is done.
smorgues@reddit
My country has mandatory (ish) language studies and there are usually big groups from different countries attending. Does Serbia do that? If so, how do they manage the Russo/Ukranian tension between students?
I had a friend who attended in my country, and a physical fight between two Eritreans happened (anti versus pro regime).
MrDDD11@reddit
Ukrainians and Russians came because of the war and organized protests against the War and Putin together. Most of our immagrints are refugees for Ukraine and Russian draft dodgers who don't want to fight. I don't have much information on schooling.
enhelspecial@reddit
Just like Turks left Germany post ww2 after their work visa was done
And the Windrush generation left UK post ww2 after their work visa was done
Spoiler: They never leave and its by design
BurpelsonAFB@reddit
TIL the term Windrush generation
Only-Wing-5073@reddit
We come to replace the unwashed ass europeans
Trevor775@reddit
Sure they do.
smorgues@reddit
My country has mandatory (ish) language studies and there are usually big groups from different countries attending. Does Serbia do that? If so, how do they manage the Russo/Ukranian tension between students?
I had a friend who attended in my country, and a physical fight between two Iranians happened (anti versus pro regime).
MrDDD11@reddit
Alot of Sri Lankas worked here, they drove busses and pretty much replaced Serbian drivers in my area. Then when the Visas were up they left. No seeing them in any of the towns and cities and the busses brought in some old guys who am pretty sure should be retired to replace the immagrints that left.
slight_digression@reddit
Way ahead of you all.
nousernamefuk@reddit
Albania also from India and Sri Lanka for Tourism..
Janosh_Poha@reddit
One if my students is Macedonian and he told me his first cousin went to work as a metal worker in Croatia and the factory is 70% African workers.
PasicT@reddit
It was expected, Eastern Europe will become a immigration destination for many Africans the same way it became Western Europe became one 40-50 years ago.
crivycouriac@reddit
And worst of all, while we like to take pride that “at least we didn’t colonize”, we are eventually getting the same consequences as the ones who did (and not like they consider us to be any less of “white devils” than they do westerners)
PasicT@reddit
Colonization has nothing to do with these people coming to Europe, it's economical.
crivycouriac@reddit
When I was small, I was always taught that “country X colonized country Y, that’s why they have immigration from country Y”
Aged like milk
PasicT@reddit
It's bullshit, countries that never colonized anyone also received and accepted plenty of immigrants (Sweden, Denmark, Austria).
IAI-NJ@reddit
Both Denmark and Sweden were colonisers. Denmark colonised several regions not just Greenland, same goes for Sweden. Just because their colonial empires weren’t as large and successful as some other Europeans doesn’t mean they didn’t have their own.
PasicT@reddit
Who did Sweden colonise?
Bardosaurus@reddit
I can see you don't know what you are talking about since you said that Denmark has never colonized when a whole ass Greenland exists and the smaller colonies they got rid of. I suggest learning on the topic before you argue about it.
PasicT@reddit
Denmark (Norway initially) colonized an empty Greenland, it never colonized parts of Africa or Asia or both like France, Germany, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands all did.
Techies4lyf@reddit
Denmark colonized islands in the caribbean, St. Thomas, St. John and St. Croix. In Africa they colonized Ghana.
PasicT@reddit
Barely and it's not comparable to what France, the UK and others did. There are no remaining Danish colonies today unless you want to argue that the Faroe Islands and Greenland are Danish colonies. Even if you want to argue that, the average Faroese or Greenlander today lives far better in part as a result of Danish colonialism than the average Nigerian, Moroccan, Rwandan as a result of French, British and Belgian colonialism.
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
Not better than Singaporeans though.
PasicT@reddit
What about Singaporeans?
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
I'm saying French, UK, Spanish etc colonialism wasn't all bad. Look at Singapore. British colony and it's thriving.
PasicT@reddit
Singapore is the exception that proves the rule. And it's not thriving because of British colonialism but in spite of it.
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
So you think north Africa , the Indian sub-continent, sub-saharan Africa would all be doing much better if they'd never been colonized?
PasicT@reddit
Yes, at this point it's not even debatable. And like I said, Singapore is an exception.
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
It absolutely is debatable....and heavily debated. What evidence do you have that say India, Morocco and the Ivory Coast would all be more successful?
PasicT@reddit
I'm not going to debate that here or with you.
Techies4lyf@reddit
They sold them off, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. History should be respected regardless of what it was.
PasicT@reddit
And Denmark has not accepted so many immigrants because of colonialism nor do these people choose Denmark as revenge for colonialism or any similar BS.
iamkbd@reddit
1658 to 1850 Denmark colonized the Gold Coast which is now Ghana.
nefewel@reddit
The Scandinavians settled Greenland before the current Inuit majority, which came from Canada a few hundreds of years later.
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Yes ,danish and norwegian did, swedish people had no part in it
Techies4lyf@reddit
Norway owned Greenland and lost it to Denmark after napoleon war, same with Iceland and Faroe island.
MarkMew@reddit
That won't stop them from claiming to have been oppressed
LightHope8@reddit
Consequences being immigrants that are gonna fill the empty job market?
Svetlio1231@reddit
No. We're talking about the cultural enrichment they will bring. You may have noticed it in the west.
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
I see your point bro. Ireland also didn’t colonise. It doesn’t stop clowns online from calling us colonizers though
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Same here in sweden z they call us colonizers and when that dont work they blame it on our weapons industry lol, like wtf its not me, my family or my friends that sell weapons, why should we have to suffer???
IAI-NJ@reddit
Sweden did do some colonising, it was to a smaller scale but it still happened.
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Where? Finland? And some shitty island no one cares about?still not big enough colonizing to make an impact, like french colonizing or , american slave trade etc. etc
IAI-NJ@reddit
There was a New Sweden in North America, the Gold Coast of West Africa and a Caribbean Island.
Are we moving the goal post now? You went from ‘they call us colonisers and when that don’t work…’, a coloniser is a coloniser whether they colonised one place or numerous.
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Fuck off , even if that was to be true it still dont justify mass immigration from the middle east, or Somalia in your case, you should be angry at the English and italians who did colonize you, we sure didnt
IAI-NJ@reddit
I’m not angry just pointing out that you were in fact colonisers, not sure why you’re fuming 😂 stay mad I guess 🤷♂️
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
You probably live in London or Stockholm, the same Cities and countries you hate, you are so entitled and ungrateful, yes we did a part of colonizing, but still not big enough to destroy whole continents like the british empire, france in algeria or the American slave trade!
IAI-NJ@reddit
I’m glad you’re admitting you did some colonise because your initial comment was saying you Sweden played no parts in colonising others.
I live in Ireland, I’m actually part Irish 🤷♂️
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Yes i admit sweden was not innocent , but we didnt colonize whole countries or continents and destroy them like England, france or usa
fk_censors@reddit
No, but you were butthurt by a pedantic point made by someone about Sweden's past colonies in the New World. I'm not sure why that (correct) comment about history made you so emotional. The person wasn't saying anything or inferring anything from that. He was just pointing out an interesting historical fact.
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Yes he was not wrong, but it angered me because thats always the excuse you hear in sweden when you discuss immigration politics :" but you sell weapons" or more rarely "you were colonizers" ,im like why should i or my family gonna suffer just because our politicians are dickheads? Or that some swedish king or leader was an asshole 200-300 years ago?
crivycouriac@reddit
The main fault of Easterners (this includes Austria among others) was thinking it’s a better idea to expand into their neighboring countries than into Africa, which turned out to be the world’s future
Now the irredentist goals of these countries may not even have been fulfilled while these countries have neither build any long-lasting legacies
Greece comes to mind as a country which could have started some colonial adventures earlier on but failed to do so
fk_censors@reddit
Do you know who made the opposite point? That life is so unfair because Germany doesn't have colonies in other continents (it did, but not a lot) like France and Britain and the US, and that Germany had to have colonies too, for life to be fair? And that Germany wouldn't take colonies away from France and Britain and the US, but instead take just a tiny little bit here to the East that nobody really wanted anyway? Like in Poland and modern Ukraine?
mountains_and_coffee@reddit
To be fair, Greeks were one of the first colonizers ever. Marseille was settled by them.
pitogyros@reddit
Well yeah but ancient colonies were more like “ I build my city here and mind my business “ rather than , I build a colony here , and enslave and control 99,99% of the population within 2000 km radius
PasicT@reddit
I don't know a single person that has ever called the Irish 'colonizers'.
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
Youd be surprised my friend. The internet is a big place. We’ve made enemies with certain people due to us supporting Palestine. So a lot of bots spreading disinformation.
fk_censors@reddit
Why are Irish people invested in a fight between two Borats thousands of miles away? Is it just a "rooting for the underdog" sort of thing?
PasicT@reddit
Enemies ok but you supporting Palestine doesn't make you colonizers in any way.
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
They usually say this when irish people are tired of mass immigration, they mistake them for englishmen who actually colonized people
PasicT@reddit
Well it's very ignorant either way.
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Ofc it is ignorant
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
Same applies to Ireland. Literally a victim of pasty Anglo imperialism but still getting diversified...
Citaku357@reddit
And if you dare to speak out against this, they will call you racist and such
abandonedtulpa@reddit
Fearmongering much?
PasicT@reddit
Fearmongering about what? It's a fact that Eastern Europe as a whole is suffering from a major brain drain and that this will result in higher migration from Africa but also Asia to Eastern Europe. Go to any Eastern European capital and watch who delivers your food.
CreBanana0@reddit
Sorry but I am completely alienated from this topic. I really see no issue. If your nation can't keep your own people from leaving it, then it has failed it's purpose.
The idea of patriotism and nationalism is insane to me. States are just an administration over an area.
PasicT@reddit
I'm not saying there is and isn't an issue with accepting immigrants from Africa, I'm saying it's inevitable because of the brain drain which in turn is those nations' own fault from going from countries which labour workers leave to countries that everyone leaves.
CreBanana0@reddit
My point is a nation-states should not be treated as sacred. Expecially not over an individual's liberty.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
Are the immigrants going to live in your house? Their liberty is more important than the title deed of your house, right?
CreBanana0@reddit
I'd be fine with migrants in my neighborhood.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
What about in your house? You've got plenty of room for them.
CreBanana0@reddit
I don't have a house.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
Well wherever you sleep, you're good for the immigrants to stay with you, yeah
Nirados@reddit
Hell nah bro lol, if they make up 2-5% of the population fine, anything above that is a problem (talking about majorly different people's not people from neighboring countries or similar)
abandonedtulpa@reddit
Brain drain is real, sure, and some level of immigration is inevitable. But comparing Eastern Europe to Western Europe 40-50 years ago is a stretch. The economic pull, institutions, and social attitudes aren’t the same. You might see more migrant workers in certain sectors, but that doesn’t automatically translate into large scale settlement or the same demographic shifts. Food delivery in big cities isn’t exactly a reliable indicator of broader trends. People here are still pretty racist, not sure if Africans would like it here.
PasicT@reddit
Well in terms of immigration Eastern Europe is now where most of Western Europe was in the 1970s or so.
Food delivery in big cities is how it starts. Then there's also construction workers, people working in the steel industry, in tourism, in shops and eventually other labour jobs as well. There is also increased demand for family reunification which can sometimes lead to 10 family members arriving at the same time which is large scale settlement.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
While Eastern Europeans immigrate enmasse to Western Europe 🤡
PasicT@reddit
Yes, that's the sad irony.
rattlecanner@reddit
Gee, I wonder who is responsible for all this?
SnyggTjej69@reddit
It's almost hilarious how many Ukrainians he has sacrificed and how many billions of euros he has taken from the EU. And now he's gonna flood the country with African migrants
Artemis_1944@reddit
Lmao, try harder bruv, it ain't working. Go do daddy putin's job elswhere.
Historical_Mad1917@reddit
Good try Sergei, but you completely misunderstood the intent of the previous comment.
Techies4lyf@reddit
He has sacrificed? There is one country responsible for this and its not Ukraine.
ThePurpleKing159@reddit
TurdEye69@reddit
Artemis_1944@reddit
As others have said, this will solve the economic issue right now, but fastforward 5-10-15 years in the future, when the war (ideally) is over. You will have all the soldiers from the war, some perfectly functional, others wounded, others with PTSD, going back to non-war lives, looking around for jobs. Perhaps they'll find some, perhaps not. But they'll look around and see a country they don't remember, and they will feel entitled to live in the country they want, given how much they've sacrificed. These people will be ridiculously easy to manipulate into a far-right anti-immigration movement, giving Russia the perfect ammo for propaganda warfare and installing a far-right russian puppet leader.
RARE_ARMS_REVIVED@reddit
They can earn their citizenship by doing 1 year on the front lines (that's the current requirements)
BlokZNCR@reddit
What a news for Greeks!
ExoticFortune2439@reddit
'The original Greeks were black". Fixed it for you. ☺️
Now give us back Istanbul. 😁
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
It was a fair trade we have taken Istanbul and you guys now have second best cuisine in the world (after Turkish cuisine) and also no refunds
Joy___Boy@reddit
Bro i went to Constantinople (Istanbul) ate some burgers and went to hospital you joking?What food?
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
Hamburger has Central Asian origin so it's normal https://www.dailysabah.com/life/food/from-mongolia-to-america-unknown-history-of-hamburger (Yes I'm aware connection is slim but still I will use anything to win an argument)
Jnyl2020@reddit
1 horseburger with big size kımız please.
False_Snow7754@reddit
Will it become Constantinople?
moroseali@reddit
It would cost you a harem of 10 certified Greek femboys for each guy in turkey, I don't think you can afford that even with EU help
Perfect_Archer_1556@reddit
Nothing original in balkans
Majestic_Potato_5408@reddit
Now it's Constantinople, not Istanbul
Nobody's business but the Greeks
El_chaplo@reddit
Middle_Necessary_859@reddit
Fuck ni****
HalayChekenKovboy@reddit
THE WERE AFRICAN O R I G I N A L GREEKS "BLACK" "NЕGRОЕS"
Unlucky-North-5853@reddit
But not Muslims
FantasticQuartet@reddit
I always knew we were the real Karabogas. Another victory over Turkey!!
Perfect_Archer_1556@reddit
East cyprus petrol wars soon
Meanwhile keep on stealing dishes tv series and songs friend
Financial_Tea576@reddit
Cockroachian speaking about stealing dishes is peak irony.
Technicalprob@reddit
deathnic with a long history of losing every significant battle and suffering through multiple eras of mass rape and cleansing gets to own culture now that he can sit safely behind a pc 24/7 surviving off of what his mother cooks,you people truly are dogs
Lord_Gobbledygook@reddit
We wuz kangs
manguardGr@reddit
That's why we have buyuk yara@ lol
AcceptablePromise242@reddit
Prove it!
VisibleReport5008@reddit
lie
technotronica@reddit
True dat! We wuz Negreece! Whyet peopole stole errthang! 👍🏿
ResidentEvilMad1994@reddit
Wazzap my αράπης!
SeeNayFeel@reddit
Mongol
Fatalaros@reddit
Of course it's 3 parts (of 6 hours each) because our rich history can't fit in one!!
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
The same people doing that will be claiming Turkish history and culture too.
Charming_Bunch@reddit
How this is presented feels abit like propaganda
I doesn't not affect me so I don't really care.
Human wise pretty funked up. Your own people fight to their deaths for the country and instead of trying to find a solution, you just propose and push the idea to your own people that proletariat is diminishing so we need to replenish it with outsiders.
I would definitely feel the rage in the trenches reading this
LividBad9541@reddit
It feels like propaganda, because it is propaganda! It's completely made up.
Yeah, that's why it's being posted.
Svetlio1231@reddit
It's not made up. It is very reel infact.
LividBad9541@reddit
Zesystem@reddit
As a Russian from Central Asia, seeing fellow slavs killing each other breaks my heart, regardless of who’s at fault.
And then the workers will stay there and have children with Ukrainian women…so much for preserving Ukrainian culture and heritage…
Svetlio1231@reddit
Ukraine lost the moment it got invaded, and choosing to fight made it a catastrophic loss.
paranoidtrader@reddit
Look at me, I'm the Ukrainian now
Mad_King@reddit
RayDonovanBoston@reddit
TryAgain_error_404@reddit
😂😂
kowalsky9999@reddit
Source?
Svetlio1231@reddit
Well here one source https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/ukraine-budanov-african-labour-plans-demography-identity-cohesion-eu-accession/ Good enough?
VollSigSauer@reddit
"Trust me bro" or "trust me, it's independent Russian source".
Stillinthedarkreis@reddit
It’s typical disinformation from the Kremlin (or their allies). What is even the source here? No Ukrainian media is reporting this. Last year there was a similar scare story that stated something similar but the migrants were Asian.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
This isnt some kind of conspiricasy. Some masterminds arent replacing you with blacks and doing cihad. Birth rates are low af and especially western europe needs young blood for labour and keeping things like pension system running.
alkorisno@reddit
It is just a stupid system. Capitalism always decreases birth rates because no sane person would bring a child to this sick society.
Svetlio1231@reddit
No it's not capitalism. It's urbanism + women's rights.
enhelspecial@reddit
Maybe you didnt know that birth rates collapsed in Soviet Union too during Lenin when Lenin pushed feminism, sexual freedom for women, abortions on demand etc.
Stalin made them recover by some measures taken:
FeelingWall2527@reddit
So you ban abortions and make it impossible to break up and this leads to better birth rates? Who would've guessed :D
Fuck it, let's just lock the women up and force them to marry. Who needs rights anyway?
enhelspecial@reddit
My point was that birth rate collapse can happen under marxist-leninism too and not only under capitalism
alkorisno@reddit
They didint collapse, they decreased to stable rate. Capitalism destroys it
readilyunavailable@reddit
"Muh capitalism"
Capitalism has nothing to do with it. Modern people just don't prioritise children. Norway has some of the best laws to support parents, social system that helps immensly and a sovreign fund from all their oil, yet they still have low birth rates.
alkorisno@reddit
Capitalism is the entire system, it has everything to do with it. It isnt a natural disaster that wiped out children or forefin invasions or sanctions like they do to communist countries. It is because of the system
fk_censors@reddit
Stop spewing retarded Soviet propaganda, comrade. Everyone, even the Chinese communists, figured out how retarded socialism was.
tether231@reddit
Current economic factors do play a role even in a welfare state like norway, you still need a lot of money to raise 1 kid nevermind 3 and first of all you need space to do so.
The ugly truth is that women would rather have a life, build a career, do things whatever they want rather than marry some dude pump out 3 kids before 30 and spend their youth raising them while also most likely having to work full time because the stay at home mom scenario is mostly un feasible in the developed world.
fk_censors@reddit
The Marxist pyramid scheme pension system IS the conspiracy.
Special-Remove-3294@reddit
Calling pensions Marxist is so low IQ lmao when you knoe any history bruh. Modern pensions were made by the staunch anti-socialist and anti-Marxist Otto von Bismark in the late 19th century and that model was exported to other nations. He implemented this system to supress socialism.
Yet low IQ rightoid drones call a system implemented by a right wing monarchist conservwtive/reactionary with the purpose of supressing socialism "Marxist"
fk_censors@reddit
Bismarck was the ultimate statist. For him, the state was the highest authority and the ultimate end-goal. That would definitely make him progressive in today's terms, he was certainly no advocate of individual liberty or civil rights.
Marx saw his reforms as "bribing" workers with "Marxist-lite" benefits like the state pension system, to weaken the discontent and to prevent revolution. So everyone acknowledged that Bismarck's reforms were left wing - Marx was just butthurt because he was an accelerationist who didn't want compromise, he wanted an all out revolution.
Marx admitted this was a socialist measure (remember that at the time, socialist and communist were used interchangeably):
"The government is trying to bribe the workers... by a series of small concessions... such as the insurance against accidents and the provision for old age... a state-socialist measure which is to make the workers dependent on the government". Karl Marx
Special-Remove-3294@reddit
I know pensions are a form of socialism like all welfare is. Pensions and welfare are wealth redistribution mechanism so they can give a basic living standards to proletariat and keep them compliant.
Yet Marxism is not in favour of welfare or concessions as they call it. Marxists want to destroy the bourgeoisie system and create a proletariat state where the proletariat owns the means of production such as industry and agricultural land. Marxists are not in favour of welfare capitalism as they see it as a petty concessions or a crumb of wealth from the elite who they see as immensely wealthy and influential(and sadly they are that way)
Various-Basket-2467@reddit
this has nothing to do with pension thoses migrants are net drain on the system, is only for the corporate profite who need population growth to make more profits, that's pure human farming and capitalism greed.
It has nothing to do with human dignity or care of elderly.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
yeah like i said labor. But still older population means this social democracy thing failing.
Various-Basket-2467@reddit
"But still older population means this social democracy thing failing." what does it even mean; are thoses random words ?
VisibleReport5008@reddit
It means without working population there would be less tax collected so goverments would have to tighten out their budget.
here4theptotest2023@reddit
If you believe the masses immigration is to 'keep the pension system running' then you are an imbecile.
fk_censors@reddit
What's the goal then?
TheHabro@reddit
It's also to pay workers as low as possible.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
I dont, time is gonna tell. But i dont know what else will. Either way this is one of the many reasons why they would take immigrants.
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
Ok but there's no need to let them bring their families. They could just come on temporary visas.
ashagari@reddit
Exactly. For example in the US if there was no immigration the economy would collapse for lack of workers. We're not talking about just Mexicans doing construction and farm labor but without Indian and Asian immigrants in the white collar workspace. There is no perfect solution and some people will lose out to new immigrants but the alternative is even worse.
Various-Basket-2467@reddit
who does it come from that US lack worker ? If anything US as an excess of BS/fake jobs. X with Elon Musk is a perfect exemple, he reduced the number of employee by 90% and the company is doing just fine.
ashagari@reddit
Most jobs are "fake" by that measure. Sure you can run a company with half the people and not have the effect felt immediately... redundancies are built into systems to account for folks leaving or to prevent them burning out. People are quick to call other's jobs fake until the layoffs happen in their own jobs lol. In any case, there are tons of places in the US where there are little to no immigrants and these are the places where kids leave when they turn 18 and never come back
Various-Basket-2467@reddit
I hear the argument but there's plenty of completly useless and worthless job that only exist because people pretnd to actually be useful when are arent.
It often result in negative values as they tend to waste everyone time and ressources to over compensate or show that they are somewhat doing something.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
It’s just so weird because Ukrainian diaspora has legit become the largest in most Western European countries. Out of a population of 45 million, 7 million left in span of 3 years and looking at the rates of this, they are mostly not gonna go back either .
So either Ukrainian govt has to put a ban on letting their own citizens out especially since 85% of the region is safe or have this temporary solution. Ukrainians who are crying about this should actually just go back to Ukraine but this would mean leaving cushy lifestyles , better job security and far better salaries in western EU.
Useful-Bookkeeper976@reddit
Tipical leftis turd. You are willing to deport the Ukrainians because "85% of the region is safe" while the country is still at war but at the same time say nothing about the (tens of?) millions of immigrants from all over Africa and Asia after literally passing through 10 other safe countries just to get into Germany, Sweden, Norway, etc.
Neatnutter@reddit
Everyone always gets up in arms over this, but it's the natural progression of capitalism. First you're poor and your people migrate elswere, send money back and help the local economy. Eventually you become a mid/high level economy and other poorer groups now start coming to your country for the same. Or you restrict it and go into a recession when the population drops below the replacement level. No one has really come up with another solution. Feel free to drop any ideas.
There is a solution if you become a high tech/finance leader of the world or this new idea to start going into outer space to extract resources from moon/asteroids, but that's unrealistic for most nations.
Various-Basket-2467@reddit
who give a F about recession and there no prof that smaller population = recession, there's plenty of small coutry like switzerland having higher GDP than nigeria with a 40x smaller population.
Useful-Bookkeeper976@reddit
It is. Instead of increasing taxes and spending the money on illegal immigrants and on people not willing to work, they could instead forcefully deport those people and reduce the taxes so that people can actually afford to buy a house and to live comfortably and have safe streets without engineer and doctors on each street corner.
Give it 20 more years. EU is gone, western countries will be shithole african countries
PromotionNo6366@reddit
Or robots and A.I?💁🏼♂️ once the housing prices go down, it will be more affordable for young people to buy houses and have children.
ReadProfessional8511@reddit
You think Ukraine is able to afford that?
Lonely-Programmer123@reddit
No civilization ever died from lack of child, but immigration did cause problems in plenty and was enough to change the culture in many.
HalayChekenKovboy@reddit
Yes, because birth rates have never been this low. This is a historic first. This is like saying "No country has ever collapsed from AI taking all the jobs" yes, because it hasn't been around for that long.
Lonely-Programmer123@reddit
"Yes, because birth rates have never been this low"
The late roman empire was in demographic decline with stagnating birthrate too, and the mediteranean still found a way back to high birthrate. We precisely have historical exemple of the trend being similar to what it is now, and what we observe is that the population can stagnate, but will eventually recover no matter how any disaster you throw in the live of people.
It's not a historical first, it's just that abundance tend to not give reasons to make many kids, but eventually those who do not have a descendance will simply pass away and what will remain is the family of those who had kids and who probably will implement procreation-oriented mentality in the society (because let's be honest, reproduction is not really a preoccupation of our era).
Winter_Grand8693@reddit
lol, labour... sure. how are they going to keep pension system if they're draining benefits system...
VisibleReport5008@reddit
Its probably a very small percent of the taxes collected.
Winter_Grand8693@reddit
western europe is calling, they'd like to have a word
VisibleReport5008@reddit
if we look at germany for example, according to 2026 federal budget 4-4.5 percent goes immigrants. While 38 percent goes to pension. At this rate it isnt looking good.
Winter_Grand8693@reddit
that is the point. the whole immigration to west is bc of the benefits. they didn't come to work... so they are both losing working force due to old age and getting young able people (men) who are draining the system before they even became a part of it. this is one example where - and - dont equal a +
davidfliesplanes@reddit
yeah I always find it funny that boomers especially are very anti-immigration but they will be the ones affected when there won't be any money to pay their pensions since there will be less young people than older ones.
Magnum_Gonada@reddit
I think arguably the most affected will be our generation when the time comes.
FantasticCricket8346@reddit
If we're still alive
davidfliesplanes@reddit
every generation will have it worse than the one before if we keep going at this exact pace (i'm not talking about immigration but the world as a whole)
Winter_Grand8693@reddit
https://www.instagram.com/p/DW9esNTvoaC/
something to look forward to for all boomers...
Weirdo9495@reddit
It's funny how only Turkish posters here realize this.
Laluci@reddit
Europe has become a dumping ground that's what I think. Not one other place in the world does this. Europe will not be Europe in 30 years... Maybe less.
Orangoo264@reddit
fearmongering final boss, y’all been saying this shit since 2000…
Laluci@reddit
Albanians integrate. I go to Greece fairly often and I can barely tell who's Albanian and who's Greek.
choosewisely63@reddit
"Albanians integrate" - what about the criminal gangs and mafia all across Europe and the UK?
Laluci@reddit
What about them? Another sign of weakness in western Europe. You think I support criminal gangs? Throw them in jail. They do what they do cause Western Europe has no backbone.
Also, the drug trade existed in Europe before Albanians.
choosewisely63@reddit
Why is it that "Albanians integrate" when one of the biggest exports from Albania is criminality. But you complain about Africans and people from the Middle East. Seems hypocritical. If you are able to generalise millions of people, then it seems fair that others can generalise about you.
I'm simply highlighting the racism and irony in your logic.
Laluci@reddit
I responded to someone else. I was talking about integration, but you seem to be stuck on criminality. So let me make it easy for you, Albania itself has minimal crime. Same in Kosovo. You can go anywhere anytime in the day and night, and be safe. Go try it yourself, you'll be surprised. A lot of Europeans that go to Albania and are surprised by this alone. They feel safer there than at home.
So if crime in the UK is a problem (which is mostly drug sales) then maybe the UK is the problem? Cause they're too busy arresting people for tweets rather than serious crime.
Gonna repeat this again to you.... Integration. First generation kids born there will all integrate.
choosewisely63@reddit
Your conflating different issues. So I'll summarise my points to try and make things clearer.
I am based in the Western Balkans and have visited both Albania and Kosovo. I know they are safe and I have no issue with these countries whatsoever. I have friends and colleagues from Albania and do not hold any grudge or bad perceptions of the country or it's people.
You referred to Europe being a dumping ground, that the 500k regularised immigrants in Spain will not be a net positive. Implying that all these bad people are going to Europe and not integrating. I'm pointing out that if you asked people in Europe, they would have the same impression of Albanians (i.e. negative), whilst you seem to be of the belief that Albanians integrate peacefully and happily wherever they go. It's a double standard where you ignore the problems of Albanian immigration and integration and paint it in a positive light, but assume the worst of all other immigrants. Almost all immigration is complex, nuanced and has both positive and negative aspects.
On the point of integration, that all Albanian first generation children born somewhere will integrate. Yeah, no shit, that goes the same for pretty much every group of immigrants regardless of where they come from.
CallMeMaryMagdalene@reddit
Yh i witnessed this personally. Most antisocial and criminal minded ppl from croatia, serbia, albania, kosovo, bosnia, target these countries on purpose as prostitution is legal and largest ship ports are in these countries so they fck with prostitution and drugs. I absolutely hold them liable. But those countries do nothing bout it maybe due to fear of being called racist or fascist idk... but they r literally letting all those ppl to exploit the system and laws and harm others in the process.
Same is happening with imigrants and money in germany for example - nobodz to feel sorry for here about that , government rly be making conscious decisions on that and just keep opening the door and ofc ppl flood in and exploit the system. I met p fro. M.east coming from non assilum needed areas and not war affected just bc i quote they "heard life is better in europe and they young so they wanted to come and why not to try and better ur life" and were open about coming from part of the country that was never under war. These ppl come in on refuggee visa just bc they r on a paper from that country npbody is checking details. And they don't want to make these processes more strict.
About albanians ... croatians and serbs r in my experience more dangerous and manipulative in mafia and crime sense and i wpuld trust the hardest koka albanian mf pver them any time no offence to my ppl but they just r more consistent in their identity and even if they flip on u they keep their pronciples, some of the "worst" ppl helped me the most by now. Tho it is true albanian mafia holds koka and overall global trafficking yh including ppl. However on the other side croatians hold monopol prostitution wise which includes women trafficking and any others i met were serbs. Albanian dudes r usually those wanna be andrew tates and operate alone. Also some of biggest thefts and border smuggling was done by croatians and some even served sentences here. Not more or less then from even my hometown. Then there r bulgarians and romanians who r also problem of their own crime wise and germany just refuses to deal with theor women trafficking tho everyone is aware of it is genuinely scary.
I am leaving this here for educational purposes hahah as everyone just thrown all on albanians but reality is different and i can say these things from personal experience. These things r rly not simple and have their own way of functioning but mpst ppl don't understand. There is also visible difference between albanians and kosovo albanians and many times they r not in same positions but ppl don't even acknowledge that. Also before we go and move around we don't understand how ppl r and being a foreign woman around eu i can tell u... i realised how many stereotypes r untrue and then how many r in the same time... but would be opposite of what ppl expect.
Citaku357@reddit
You should look at Pakistani grooming gangs first
choosewisely63@reddit
That's called changing the subject. You don't justify something bad by saying other people also do bad things.
I was responding to someone claiming that Africans and Middle-Eastern migrants don't integrate and only cause trouble, but Albanians integrate well. I was exposing the hypocracy and double standards when we look at integration.
mofocris@reddit
Albanian standards of comparison = pakistan grooming gangs
Citaku357@reddit
Like it or not there are always will be people who sell drugs, but gangs who target kids, that's an entire thing.
mofocris@reddit
Ok bet. Albanian mafia is okay then 👍
Citaku357@reddit
I didn't say thst
ChineseMarlaSinger@reddit
Meanwhile in the UK
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/1ssjios/comment/ohncsej/?context=3
Laluci@reddit
I've seen it before, was waiting for someone to post it. Arrested. There are a lot of factors that go into this data. It's pretty well known Albanians control the drug trade there. Not surprised arrests are high. But we weren't talking about crime, the convo was more about integration.
You should look at crime data in Albania. Albania has minimal violent crime or sexual offenses. You can go out wherever you want, whenever you want, and nobody will touch you. Matter of fact, in Albania they would do something you would never see in the West.... If someone attacks you, people will jump in to stop it. In Western Europe, people run away.
Again, I go to Europe very often, England just last year. Albania is much safer pretty much anywhere you go.
So maybe it's not an Albanian problem, it's a UK problem. Maybe if they arrest people for serious crimes, leave them in prison and don't let them out a month later. And stop wasting resources arresting people who are posting mean tweets. 🤣
Again this conversation was about integration. First generation Albanians always integrate wherever they go. Every single family I know with first generation kids from Western Europe has fully integrated. Something that helps with that is Albanians are not religious, so even if they go to a country that's another religion, it doesn't affect them.
mofocris@reddit
Albanians integrated lmao
Citaku357@reddit
They are lol
mofocris@reddit
Idk brochacho ask european what they think about albanians
Citaku357@reddit
Nothing negative in fact, at least not here in Sweden, so try again
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Sweden you say?
Citaku357@reddit
What's your point exactly? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb_mafia_in_Scandinavia
mofocris@reddit
Nice, another albanian living in WE and shittalking immigrants. Has the hipocrisy ever hit you? Lmao
TheHabro@reddit
Says person living in USA and posting on r/AskBalkans with Albania flair.
CallMeMaryMagdalene@reddit
It is rly not black and white. I am from croatia in germany. Both in slovakia and germany i am facing issues while integrating and in germany i am mostly with balkan (including albanian) and italian communities when it comes to "integration" aka "moving to different culture when already damn ass adult" and interact in everyday mosly with them, then middle easterns and africans. Least germans. Nothing more then my studies. Cultural undertone is just fundamentaly different and fact that i can go to some middle eastern place to get turkish coffee and shisha, relax and socially interact with hospital ppl is oposite of what i am experiencing with germans.
I also integrate in greece overnight, even italy as i am partially meditenerian and many croats have italian ancestry even speak italian. Manerisms, way of behavior, talk and walk are just similar across those. I have more in common with african woman personality wise then any german woman and i feel more confortable in those communities.
Eastern europe and other balkanic and meditenerian countries i don't even need integration as we r already culturaly similar and pressure is much lesser. Western and northern europe tho trully r different ppl very different culture and mind.
Also all these ppl gravitate towards me especially balkan ppl and italians as they recognise me as "one of their own" in this forrest and start interactions as such.
Sadly most western countries make integrations for foreigners very hard and very rarely ppl integrate fully, coming from which ever different culture.
Only western europeans i feel like at home with r irish ppl
Already in slovakia u would have difficulties integrati g (this is where i encountered real cultural racism and consequences of it), and not to mention western or northern eu bc ppl r just fundamentaly different and so is their culture. We all feel it and see it it is just that it is for us easier to adapt. However many of ppl from our regions end up hanging out with other foreigners or other ppl from the area and prefer interactions with such so it is easier for them and they don't feel alienation. When u feel cultural difference plus alienation result is different and ppl struggle to even adapt to everyday living and integration seems impossible. Support in those processes is very much needed. In culturaly similar countries support is already there as u share much with those ppl already even tho u r different. I adapt to french everyday living in a second compared to germany as they live and operate daily diffently and i don't need support from my coummunities there or in spain or even portugal or italy. I can go thru even struggles by myself bc there is feeling of belonging in some parts at least. In some other countries tho i feel like legit alien and start disociating and if i would not have support system from "my own" idk how i would make it as far.
Ppl undermine differences between eastern/souther/balkan europe and western/northern - they r huge
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Mafia statistics say otherwise
Orangoo264@reddit
ah, the good old “my nationality immigrating: good other nationalities immigrating: bad”
sounds like cope to me but whatever makes you happy buddy
Masked020202@reddit
If you mean they integrate into crime rings involved with trafficking and drugs then i heavily agree.
Albanians compete with Moroccans for the 1st spot in crime here.....
WorldClassChef@reddit
A solid portion of those Albanians living outside of Albania are in lands they’ve inhabited forever, like Kosovo, N. Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, etc.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Fun fact .. this Albanian guy is in America
Cristopia@reddit
Completely agree. Migration is like using a band aid and keeping it on forever, the wound will get infected as our culture is put at risk, simply because of the numbers we would be a minority. If immigrants would be the majority, even in small areas, then they won't see a need to integrate as they can get along fine with their culture and their language etc.
Laluci@reddit
The migrants that are coming to Europe are not going to integrate. If Europe wanted a working force, they could have just offered 5 year visas based on skills that someone has and found temporary solutions.
Instead, Europe has opened the borders entirely and they're giving housing and aid to the illegals, and are leaving their own citizens rotting in the streets. It's pathetic and embarasing. Not to mention because of a bigger disease that has infected Europe, political correctness, no one can say anything cause they're labeled as racists.
I used to love going to Western Europe to visit, even large cities, now I don't even wanna think about going to a major city. I went to Germany for the Euros two years ago, and I was told by locals in every city I visited not to go to certain areas alone at night. Went to London last year, Brits were a minority. Once that happens, they lose their voting power and Europe can kiss the control they had over their own continent good bye.
These politicians should be tried for treason for that they're doing to their nations. And what I found even more insane is that there are not mass protests in the streets on a daily basis.
Bardosaurus@reddit
Idk you talk shit but my Turkish coworkers are integrating without any issues.
Laluci@reddit
I'm not talking shit. Turks are more secular. Would you want Serbia to take in 500k middle easterners or Africans?
I wouldn't want that in Albania. I have no problem with Europeans moving to Albania.
ChineseMarlaSinger@reddit
You won't mind 500K turks moving into Albania as it is now?
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Yes because most turks are secular and have a worker culture like europe
RoosterNearby6489@reddit
Women detected , her retarded opinion disregarded.
alpidzonka@reddit
Permaban for misogyny. Rule 3 mentions this explicitly.
Bardosaurus@reddit
Good, I don’t take creatures like you seriously anyways 🥰
Substratas@reddit
No wonder why the Balkans still is the way it is…
RoosterNearby6489@reddit
The time where western europe could simply claim to have moral high ground by default since they were more successful is over . Western europe will stop existing because man gave a fuck what women thought.
Substratas@reddit
ISIS be like
Unfunnycommenter_@reddit
Turkey is still somewhat european and has much more in common with european nations than nepal or morroco
Cristopia@reddit
//mass protests in the streets on a daily basis.//
People don't know the dangers yet, cause illegals are actually quite few. Von der Liar needs to be taken down so we can have proper control over our borders before anyone else comes illegally. Even legal migrants do you really think that they are a net positive to society? The Danish military's IQ tests show that African and South Asian IQs are much lower than Danish ones, IQ is not easy to change, it takes generations. We are effectively dumbing down our society, and it's putting stress on our countries. Switzerland imposed a 10 million people limit, cause their healthcare system is under stress. If we will be less people but mostly white Europeans then the pop will be lower but then so will house prices (now artificially inflated by migration) and then Europeans will be well above replacement rate,
And maybe they should start thinking straight, cause I know many white people, especially women who actually can have babies, that celebrate the fact that 52% of women today don't have children, ohh you know women's rights... But to what extent do we take this, this extreme feminism is becoming dangerous for us Europeans, and Americans, as it's now common to think not having children is the new norm. Africans and Asians do not think like this.
Laluci@reddit
Legal or illegal, I agree with you it's all bad. The 500k migrants Spain just gave papers to aren't going to be a net benefit for society. Like you said, Europeans aren't having enough kids and these other cultures have lots. I read somewhere that in Belgium 8/10 in schools are foreigners. So the replacement is already taking place.
Aside from America, other parts of the world don't take migrants in. As far as I am concerned, Europe needs to maintain their culture. There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, we don't want migrants because we want to maintain our culture and customs. But the left has made it seem as though it's a bad thing.
presolol@reddit
true lmao
this is already visible in areas of the uk where they fully live as if they are back in india or pakistan
Gold-Ad-2581@reddit
Albanian texting from Germany or Italy?
Laluci@reddit
USA. But you missed my point entirely. Albanians raised in these countries blend in and integrate.
TheHabro@reddit
Ironic.
mofocris@reddit
Why are you still acting as an albanian though and not american? This idea never came to your mind?
Laluci@reddit
How do you know how I act? You read one of my posts and you figured me out genius?
mofocris@reddit
You are actively acting like an albanian on a public forum with an albanian flag on your profile. An integrated american will think about local issues not fight about immigrants to his homeland.
I am not even starting to talk about the hipocrisy of talking negatively about immigration when you are an immigrant yourself. Brother go touch some grass
antinatalistkitty@reddit
So what exactly is the solution? Because the only way to counter this is reproduction and even that is not always a guarantee ( children are a net negative and after 20 years there may not even be jobs that can pay into the system).
You need labour ranging from people picking crops to health care workers in your ever growing but declining health services.
Of course you can always kill your old people to free up labour and resources but if that’s the case how will you ever morally superior to the rest of the world 😃?
BlastRadius00@reddit
America. America does this in spades!
Laluci@reddit
No they don't. America has immigrants, including illegals from everywhere. And even in the US where they have allowed immigration for much longer than Europe, it is better controlled than in Europe. Europe has become a joke.
Weirdo9495@reddit
How is it better controlled when under Democrats their border is pretty much entirely open and they fly in planes with loads of people from Haiti, Somalia etc. while Europe has Frontex at all times and asylum applications are falling down. You can be sure that after Trump is out Democrats in US will open the border harder than ever.
In America it is normal to have politicians like Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Mamdani and his Oct 7 celebrating wife. Outside of UK you can't really find such politicians in Europe.
high-end-regarded@reddit
The border was so open under Democrats that Obama increased the number of CBP and ICE agents and deported more people than Trump’s first term and the entire Bush admin.
Why are you larping as a MAGA retard? I thought Europe had better education than this shithole country but I guess I was wrong.
Weirdo9495@reddit
It has more to do with racism than education.
American immigration policies under Democrats are ridiculously permissive compared to rest of the world, including Europe, and especially Balkans. I mean look at the comments here. I think most people here are idiots and that there's nothing wrong with what Ukraine is doing here given the alternatives and even for me American border/migration policies under Democrats are way excessive.
Regarding your points: Obama counted as deportations simply turning away people at the border and hence his numbers shot up. Trump's numbers come overwhelmingly from catching and deporting people from inside the country, which is a lot tougher and messier, while your border is calm as very few even try to cross because they know risk of deportation is much higher.
Biden's policies would cause an absolute riot in any European country. Millions crossing the borde, either illegally or very leniently and easily with CBP One App. Sanctuary cities (no country in the world has such an insanely progressive, illegal-migration friendly institution). Charged debates about whether it is moral to deport illegal migrants (very rare in other countries). Biden had to self-correct on TV because saying "illegal alien" was judged as too "inhumane" and had to switch to "undocumented person". I've never witnessed this kind of language policing about illegal immigrants anywhere else.
You can fact-check any of these points you like, i probably know less about American politics than you, i'm just looking at it as an outsider. But i have to break it to you, apparently, that vast majority of the world is less migration-friendly than America. Especially Balkans. And i say this as a relatively progressive person who supports regularised and economically beneficial migration. Most people from the Balkans are against any migration, even legal. Especially if Muslim. And rest of Europe is growing increasingly hostile too. So yeah, i believe America is, regardless of Trump, one of least racist and most migration friendly countries in the world. In that regard you won't find many better than your "shithole country".
Laluci@reddit
Agree with you, the Democrats were a disaster for migration. That's why trump was voted in, not cause people like trump.
But the biggest difference between Europe and America is that America has thousands of miles of Ocean between that side of the world and this side. America gets more Latin Americans. Latin Americans generally integrate pretty well into society by the second and third generation. Also, cultures are more compatible.
In Europe they are opening borders to the middle East...the two cultures are completely incompatible. In one culture women go to to the beach topless, and in the other women can't walk the streets without covering their hair.
America has had their borders open much longer than Europe has, but I think the disparity between cultures is not big....I've lived in the US for 25+ years and I visit Europe 3-4 times a year.
Also, another big problem is policing...you read articles daily about women being raped, kids being targets, stabbings etc all over Europe and they release these criminals after a couple years on prison. The whole judicial system is a joke. I'm surprised there hasn't been more citizens that stand up and become more violent with everything going on.
Born_Name_6549@reddit
That's nithing. Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Oman. All these countries are like 20% arab and 80% migrant
Citaku357@reddit
It's like they are replacing the natives with immigrants, but that's just a conspiracy
Right_Map8151@reddit
You guys are tripping to much over them coming, they will come see that we don t have any social benefits or handouts and they will leave, 2 years ago we had alot of Indian and Sri Lankan bus drivers but as soon as there work visas expired they left. Nobody wants to come to our region of the world lmao.
Svetlio1231@reddit
Extremely ignorant and naive take. A LOT of indians are living below the poverty line and also live in insanely unsanitary and harsh conditions, rummaging through mountains garbage trying to find scrap metal to sell for a few dollars per day. Everyday. Compared to that the Balkans seem like paradise.
AwarenessExact7302@reddit
Makes sense noone wants to stay in that hell hole
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
It's a paradise compared to much of the world.
rablador@reddit
Nobody wants to come because even people born here want to leave. Great success.
isthatfingfishjenga@reddit
Common war time tactic. Russia is doing the exact same shit.
https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/russia-facing-labour-crunch-worsened-by-war-pivots-india-workers-2026-02-11/#:~:text=Faced%20with%20what%20the%20authorities,quotas%20for%20workers%20from%20elsewhere.
Svetlio1231@reddit
Which way western man? Or ig eastern in this case
Khaski@reddit
What is the point of fighting then?
adrijan84@reddit
To keep your country free and have the option of choice. How does bringing in manual labour go against that?
Fearless_Finance007@reddit
Imagine being in a trench and waiting to get blowned up by a drone. Meanwhile your goverment is importing a bunch of africans to replace you and your people. 💀
bosnanic@reddit
A story happening everywhere already on the Dalmatian cost Nepalese, Indians, and Bangladeshis are common to see as hotel, resort, and servers. Now there are news articles that the federal government of BiH wants to import these people to do construction work.
Somehow politicians with power and money will fight over everything except how to replace workers with foreigners to lower wages.
Citaku357@reddit
Like I said no country is safe from this madness, it's all about replacing the local/natives with immigrants just because they don't to increase wages
Internal-Good-937@reddit
You replaced a Serbian natives from Kosovo too. Many of them were forced to leave Kosovo. Now dont cry that same thing is happening to you. Karma is a bitch. Instead of having the peacefull balkan, there were wars all the time.
Citaku357@reddit
If serbs are natives to Kosova, what are we?
fk_censors@reddit
It's not just wages. The foreigners are likely harder working and more competent. At least that's often the case in Romania.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Ask your Balkan bros to come back to their countries first
Tasteless12@reddit
It's not like we (Africans) don't need the labor but why not import Romanian, Albanian or Greeks.
OrinSorinson@reddit
LOL Because most eastern european countries are more or less in the same situation, with the majority of the working force having left the country for better financial opportunities. And now they're being hypocrites and racists.
Tasteless12@reddit
I believe they don't think of themselves as migrants however, I have seen western countries talk less of eastern european from time to time. This shows that people in general naturally don't like each other regardless of race, beliefs, or cultures
labyrintmannen@reddit
Good. We have alot in Sweden. Feel free to invite them over
XerGR@reddit
What could go wrong
rudar94@reddit
Soo they dont have enough proof from Europe union that this doesn't go good way. Better then to surrender then to have same problems as other countries have.
One-Perspective-3750@reddit
Call me conspiracy theorist but they will „import“ migrants who are about to be deported from EU. 🤷
eferalgan@reddit
That will make more sense. Why UK should deport them to Rwanda and Italy to Albania? Plus, Ukraine is short of men, so they might address the unbalance of population problem
bozzikpcmr@reddit
do you not see the problem in that?
eferalgan@reddit
No, what might be the problem?
Magnum_Gonada@reddit
Lol what a joke. They die, so they can be replaced with immigrants.
RattledHead@reddit
Having in mind the "lovely" experience we have had in Spain so far with this: I greatly encouraged you to avoid doing so.
OverallPhrase4623@reddit
there are pakistanis and bangladeshi in kosovo aswell
Citaku357@reddit
No country is safe from this madness. But it's not like their are going to stop anytime soon as long as population is sleeping
ProfessionalFee3818@reddit
lol just like you all
Aggravating-Zone8489@reddit
The audacity you have.
Particular_Poetry885@reddit
Don't you guys immigrate so much to the west your countries are actively getting depopulated 😂
ResultNo1272@reddit
I mean, you guys also do the same in the West. Not to be rude, but you are seen as the bad kind of immigrants as well for a lot of countries. Especially Romanians, Albanians. Again this is not my belief, but the way you feel about these immigrants is the way a lot of westerners feel about you guys…I hope you’re also against that kind of immigration.
Sufficient-Till4041@reddit
Madness lol it’s foreign workers propping up your shitty countries be grateful
nurgleondeez@reddit
Like you,us and every country from the balkans and eastern europe went to work and "work" in the western world.
And don't give me the crap about white people having the same "culture".If we were so homogeneous with western values places like Lutton or Green Lanes wouldn't exist.
People from this side of the continent have to right to criticize migrant workers because all of us had at least one relative working abroad
Miami-Novice@reddit
There’s no denying it: Russia is now a highly unstable actor.
StPauliPirate@reddit
Working-Bonus-8827@reddit
"Turkiye"
IfICode@reddit
We have like 30 people 😂
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
So thats where they are going? We dont have many of them in my country, mostly adopted indians, but norway have many Pakistanis
Honest-Associate-997@reddit
whats is adopted Indian
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
It means that they lived on the streets in india and that western people adopted them
Honest-Associate-997@reddit
no way is it true?
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Then why the hell do you ask?
pixie993@reddit
ElDudo_13@reddit
I don't see anything about African migrants in the article's title
AnyThingWorks888@reddit
forward planning all the UA people are going to get is,,,,
ExoticFortune2439@reddit
Give us a source first and then we can talk.
LividBad9541@reddit
Saw this few days ago posted on x, by a "news" account with "nationalism" in its name. Have not seen this being reported anywhere else, so pretty safe to assume this is propaganda.
ExoticFortune2439@reddit
"posted on x". That's all I needed to know.
yourtravelboigoy@reddit
And they say replacement theory is conspiracy lol
LividBad9541@reddit
It is. Because this article is a complete lie.
It's demorilizing propaganda posted by an "news agency" owned by a propagandist fidesz supporter
Candid-Shopping8773@reddit
What's the problem about it? There is no birthright citizenship in Ukraine, so it's not like they are going to "replace" Ukrainians. There's nothing wrong with bringing in people who can work without fear of being caught in the street and conscripted (not being citizens they can't be).
Throwawayone1235@reddit
Do you not know the difference between ethnic Ukrainians and foreigners? Seriously?
Candid-Shopping8773@reddit
I just really don't get the point of your statement. Ukraine needs people who can do work, and it has cash to pay. What's the problem of inviting foreigners from whatever country they may be? What's the point of pointing at the distinction between ethnic Ukrainians and foreigners? There are not enough ethnic Ukrainians and they are either at the front, emigrated, or afraid of leaving houses for the fear of being conscripted.
Veselyi_Kazhan@reddit
As a Ukrainian, I only support handing out visas for seasonal workers on farms. For long term workers we can welcome a small amount to see how well they integrate and adopt Ukrainian culture before any mass visa handout. The focus should be to collaborate with western government to cancel the visas for Ukrainians over there so that they return to Ukraine. They will reintegrate much more smoothly
Mountain-Yard-928@reddit
I think I prefer articles over screenshots, otherwise I don't know what is written, who wrote it and for whom.
Without that it's just ragebait
LinkNo2714@reddit
❓❓ you got the headline, look it up
Mountain-Yard-928@reddit
I did: Remix News is owned by an American propagandist close to d Fidesz.
But who else checked? Nobody, because this u/starfalloss wants to ragebait and push agendas, and you all fall for it.
BiAiEnGiO@reddit
That seems like a very bad idea
Artistic-Pick9707@reddit
Foreign slave labor....
fk_censors@reddit
What's the definition of a slave, genius?
Artistic-Pick9707@reddit
Modern slavery is all around us, often hidden in plain sight. People can become enslaved making our clothes, serving our food, picking our crops, working in factories, or working in houses as cooks, cleaners or nannies. Victims of modern slavery might face violence or threats, be forced into inescapable debt, or have their passport taken away and face being threatened with deportation.
Many people have fallen into this trap because they were trying to escape poverty or insecurity, improve their lives and support their families. Now, they can’t leave.
Ujemegaz@reddit
The war in Ukraine did not start 4 years ago but 12. They have been fighting for too long, it is normal that they have so many dead and shortages in labour force as many are stuck at the frontline. What are they supposed to do now. Tell Russians to stay put and not move cause they have to go plumbing and fixing cars. Of course this day would come. In Albania we are not even at war and half of our population has already left the country. Only for the past decade, a million has left and our census is like 2.4 million now. We were 3.2 million in 1990.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
They could ask the Ukrainians who left to come back ? Most of the country region is not directly affected especially in the west. I am guessing it was safe enough to call immigrants from other nations then surely repatriating their own citizens is ideal ?
There are 5 million Ukrainians in Poland alone mostly taking over jobs of local Polish people
NoSenseNitro@reddit
Like 20 millions of polish (ethnic) out of Poland. Let's ask them to return.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
That will be nice too.. let’s see how great they think Poland is 😃
1wikingman@reddit
Many of those Ukranians aren't going to want to abandon their new lives.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Fair enough
Popular_Cap8269@reddit
To come back? Lmao for what
Salt_Lynx270@reddit
Why would anyone want to return to a country in a war, with mobilization and closed borders for males 23-60 y.o.? It's been the poorest country in Europe for decades, it's logical they import people from asia and africa.
enhelspecial@reddit
tbh if you just said there are 5-6 millions Ukrainians in Europe right now who escaped since the war started you would be correct
antinatalistkitty@reddit
5 million of Ukrainian nationals across Europe since the war started yes. But overall Ukrainian immigration in Poland started a while back long before this war.
Azgarr@reddit
And it's nowhere near 5 millions.
Responsible_Sink3044@reddit
They left for a reason, why would they come back?
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Ok then don’t complain about blacks and browns either.
the_crazy_pigeon_1@reddit
Many won't come back, I can tell you some reasons... Firstly, many families left the country because the parents were afraid to be drafted in the war. Second, they sustain Ukraine and many times go home there on holidays at their relatives, but they know that once the war will be over the country will be very torn, so mostly will just go aboard anyways. There isn't a lot of hope in the future up there. Third, a lot of corruption and also many will choose for their children to rather learn and settle in mostly any other country, their schools are really bad in comparison with EU ones, as an example.
I know because I meet many Ukrainians in my life time and I understand their reasons.
RSharpe314@reddit
Those people left for a reason and asking nicely is not going to get many of them to come back.
w1nt3rh3art3d@reddit
Come back and die protecting corrupt Zelensky's friends and African migrants? No, thanks!
antinatalistkitty@reddit
If you went back there would not have been African immigrants in the first place duh ! 🤡
BeneficialAd8431@reddit
If politicians didn't start the war, they wouldn't have left in first place.
w1nt3rh3art3d@reddit
Only after Mindich duh! 🤡
Melodic_Register2026@reddit
Lmao this country would collapse if we took in that many at once. It’s 2 milion counting people who came here before and after the Russian invasion.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
It’s counting everyone from Ukraine including Polish citizens of Ukrainian roots so yes it’s 5 million.
klotho96@reddit
So Ukrainians should die on the frontline while Africans work safe jobs behind, hmm
Responsible_Sink3044@reddit
Paying out the ass for a mercenary who has no real investment in the fight is surely a winning strategy
klotho96@reddit
Yeah i am sure the ukrainian men are great victors in all of this. They get to die and get replaced
Responsible_Sink3044@reddit
Like Russia isn't actively trying to make that happen much faster
klotho96@reddit
Zelensky had ample opportunity to end the war, he still does.
Responsible_Sink3044@reddit
Yes, we're aware he could always ethnic cleanse his own land rather than letting Russians do it.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Rich of you to think that the Africans won’t be first to be sacrificed in front lines either. You haven’t been following the news
Ujemegaz@reddit
The Russians are a step ahead.
LarsMatijn@reddit
Well the reverse would be even more impractical wouldn't it? I doubt import "soldiers" would be as effective.
klotho96@reddit
Effective for whom? Certainly not for Ukrainian men who die so africans can replace them.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Why is it African's' fault 🤔
Open-Performer-2749@reddit
Well you see they black and black living next to you is bad and dirty only want white therfore rage.
AJ_Stangerson@reddit
So in 5-10 years they also can have an strong anti-immigration movement on the right. And a lot of angry, battle hardened, veterans wondering why they don't have jobs.
Nothing could possibly go wrong.
antinatalistkitty@reddit
Ukrainians have left the country enmasse though and most have settled into better lives in Western European nations which has better pay for same jobs.
So that problem is solved technically
Decent_Blacksmith_@reddit
But many miss their towns, im sure many would love to go back even if the pay is lesser
antinatalistkitty@reddit
A lot of them are deciding to stay back for economic reasons . They will visit their hometowns anyways
Kitsa_the_oatmeal@reddit
isn't this functionally the great replacement that schizos were talking about?
seedoilbaths@reddit
It is. Zelenskyy is a Jew too but pointing that out is antisemitism of course.
AskBalkans-ModTeam@reddit
Your post/comment was removed for violating Rule 3 of r/AskBalkans "No agenda pushing". We want this subreddit to be an inclusive space and no chauvinism, bigotry or insults towards national, ethnic, religious etc. group will be tolerated. Depending on the severity of this violation, you may be banned.
In any case, refrain from posting or commenting in such a manner.
fk_censors@reddit
You should leave the comment then so people can see what is being flagged. It's idiotic to punish a post and then remove it so people can't see what it said. What's the point of flagging it then?
Kitsa_the_oatmeal@reddit
i dont see how his religion would be relevant. he doesn't seems very religious in the first place, so
seedoilbaths@reddit
Do you know what the great replacement is or are you just repeating the term?
An unavoidable part of it is that Jews are the ones facilitating the ‘great replacement.’
Kitsa_the_oatmeal@reddit
oh, i thought it was just the concept of white people being massively replaced by other colors. didn't know jewish participation was a necessary part of it, although i've heard the association
seedoilbaths@reddit
It’s said the Jews facilitate the great replacement because it’s easier for them to a rule a multi-ethnic nation who of course descends into tribalism than an ethnic state where any and every action stands out as ‘other’ because generally they integrate, but only sort of, then help each other by showing in group out group tendency.
Then of course it goes further down the schizo hole by applying it to the modern day; where the holocaust is still vivid in their mind; and they want to break the modern day ‘Rome’ (the west) because the west facilitated the shoah.
Then of course it goes even further down the schizo hole than that, but I think you get the point already.
Kitsa_the_oatmeal@reddit
i see. thank you for explaining
Magistar_Idrisi@reddit
It's an antisemitic conspiracy theory without any grounds in reality.
Kitsa_the_oatmeal@reddit
? well yea
antinatalistkitty@reddit
White people inhabit at least 2 or even 3 whole continents they are not native to as a majority race that too.
There is no white “replacement” rate especially since TFR is declining globally even among the “inferior races”. This trend is catching up even more in Asians and Africans by 2045 they will even have same TFR as Europeans
Kitsa_the_oatmeal@reddit
that is true, but on a global level we're not the most common race still
but yeah i agree that fertility rates will come bite us all in the arse eventually. was about time
Aggressive-Kitchen18@reddit
The replacement thing was never a theory. It has been so fascinating to be old enough to see it all play out.
The goal of immigration since the late 90s was always to REPLACE the aging barren working population with foreigners. That was openly debated and seeing as a very viable solution to the democraphic slump.
This idea that the goal was cultural enrichment and not demographic shift was concucted when Replacement became a political toxic term.
Europeans workers were always intended to be replaced. What hasnt worked is that the countries have stopped growing, thats why you see the disgruntled locals all across.
fk_censors@reddit
It's all because of the Marxist public pension Ponzi pyramid scheme. Without that and it wouldn't matter if people had fewer or more children.
MarkMew@reddit
There was a really long article about from Hungarian journalist Péter Uj in which he explains that the world has caught up with the lies and the lies now somehow became true lol.
This is the same situation
MrDDD11@reddit
If Russia is still around after Putin dies, this could be a golden propaganda opportunity. To say they were trying to save Ukraine from shuch a fate.
fk_censors@reddit
By killing Ukraine's youth?
e5x4du@reddit
russia does the same thing so not really
MrDDD11@reddit
Truth doesn't matter in propaganda now does it
e5x4du@reddit
sure but who's going to believe in that when moscow starts looking like africa
Lonely-Programmer123@reddit
There was a time where many of western nationalist thought that Russia was here to "S A V E E V R O P A" from the "decadent globalist immigration". It did work.
Thankfully our nationalist movement tend to be less and less retarded in that regard.
nefewel@reddit
It would be if Russia was not headed in the same direction regarding migration.
BicycleAdditional360@reddit
It isnt. Russia has basically closed the border now. It's way harder to immigrate there now.
Russia is vastly bigger, it didn't shrink by 50% in a couple of years. Moreover, Russia's TFR is nowhere as bad as Ukraines's (1.374 against <1.0 in 2025).
There isnt even normal statistics for Ukraine. Their demography minister mentioned that some research is just banned in that manner
MrDDD11@reddit
Truth doesn't matter in propaganda. Doesn't matter what Russia is like if they can sell an idea to some one else
Parking_Cobbler1686@reddit
Nothing will go wrong. The veterans will just quietly get fucked like they do everywhere right now.
Beneficial_Ad_5157@reddit
There ain’t gonna be enough to fill those jobs either way tho
Zero6969nice@reddit
Take the 1 million from Spain and send them there
BillGates121193@reddit
We’re fucked
Unlucky-North-5853@reddit
BS
Fun-Incident-9216@reddit
And for what exactly they fight for and die for ? if some other guys will come and enjoy the country?
fk_censors@reddit
What would you do if a bunch of animals invaded your yard?
CarpathianBVULL@reddit
But those Africans wont speak russian! Thats worth dying for, no?
fk_censors@reddit
Yes. It's the lesser evil. I'd rather be overrun by Africans than Russians any day.
Electrical_Turn7@reddit
What is there to think about? War is tragic, the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives even more so. Also won’t they be cold?
Bataveljic@reddit
I give this sub a 10 out of 10 for falling for anti immigration propaganda
N0stalgiaNightz@reddit
How is it propaganda? Given the population growth in the developing world, it's inevitable that tens of millions of people will move. Many will not be able to make it to the us, France, German, Australia etc and will have to settle for middle income countries.
Ordinary_Car_Driver@reddit
This will turn heavily into West Europe
onlyshotouts@reddit
of course, the replacement theory strikes again
Capital-Act-5080@reddit
Haha… Hahahahahahaha!
localworldwide28@reddit
Here in Canada the immigration has caused people to compete with the world's poorest for wages and also the world's richest for housing. Now young people cant afford to start families and the birth rate decreases even further.
Its a vicious cycle that ends with complete replacement.
What is ukraine fighting for if in 50 years it will be all Africans?
Is a country just numbers on paper or is it a distinct culture, people, and lamguage?
adrijan84@reddit
The competition is for money, and every business owner wants more of it. Change the laws that allow for such low wages and poor conditions, and you'll experience less poorly qualiffied migration.
You also seem to not understand how migration and wages work.
A country is an area with borders, with it's own government, typically sovereign, recognised internationally.
localworldwide28@reddit
My cousins live in Michigan. We all work construction and before covid here in toronto we made more money then the albanians in Michigan. During covid Michigan had a workers shortage and all their wages went up. In Canada we had mass migration so there was no workers shortage so our wages stagnated Now in 2026 the same construction job pays more in michigan than in Toronto.
Its very simple the rich use immigration ti supress wages.
Famous-Actuator-2689@reddit
The Great Replacement and the Racial Melting Pot are coming for the Ukraine.
Inside_Marketing268@reddit
Imagine: Ukrainian men can't work officially, coz they would be drafted immediately, so part of them hide, part of them are at war, meanwhile, government wants a lot of migrants to take place of that men. So, Ukrainian men are just creating bright future for that migrants at cost of their lives. That's awful.
SilverPhilosopher46@reddit
Make em part of the EU and send all our asylum seekers there. Solved 2 issues at once.
alkorisno@reddit
They can send more people from Balkans to die in Ukraine under pressure from Germany. Last time, most of us died in German-Russian wars.
adrijan84@reddit
You must be so pressured
alkorisno@reddit
?
East-Note4580@reddit
"Last Autumn" old news recycled to build outrage "a former FM (Finance Minister)" no longer relevant information on current state of events "Only option would be" Not even an actual plan, just opinion of former politician.
In conclusion. Anti Ukrainian propaganda to make them seem like bad guys. Fuck whoever wrote this piece
IWasNotMeISwear@reddit
That they fought for nothing
Distinct-Swim5550@reddit
that’s a click bait article. citing former FM who is talking about lot recently in order to stay visible. the current sentiment is already anti immigrant there. there is a chance of migrants coming in from the former commie block, but for that, the war needs to resolve.
Efficient-Drop-8301@reddit
Hundred of thousands? Maybe millions
Relative-Tourist8475@reddit
I would like to know the religious confession of this person.
Lucker_Noob@reddit
It certainly matches the "20 dead Russians for every 1 dead Ukrainian" narrative....
RSM4891@reddit
Those Ukrainian girls will queue up for the BBC, even some zumba-mumba from Botswana will be scoring with Svetlana or Iuliia whilst Serheii and Aleksandr are getting droned-down on the front line
adrijan84@reddit
No reason to be jealous, it's still a free country and you can visit ir even move there anytime you want to.
RSM4891@reddit
I would rather eat Borsch
adrijan84@reddit
Should we help you with a one-way ticket to the former USSR?
RSM4891@reddit
Brate, Uzbekistan looks lovely 🌹
NeonFireFly969@reddit
This is not de wey.
Efficient_Ant_7279@reddit
Hundreds of thousands dead ?
Shaikan_ITA@reddit
Or wounded. Yes, war is deadly.
Wonderful-Garage1493@reddit
This is absolutely fucked up, have them…
Old-Conclusion2924@reddit
put them [redacted]s to good work
konrov@reddit
Wow… this absolutely fracking sad….
Fit_Possibility_4169@reddit
as a canadian, dont do it its a mistake
jsan_@reddit
half a decade later: fucking immigrants taking over our jobs :/
BalianofReddit@reddit
Its absolutely within the norm for countries who've been at war for significant periods of time
Most of the big European economies did it at the end of ww2.
technotronica@reddit
I think we all agree its absolutely detrimental to let any population with such wastly different "culture" and average IQ into a European society.
adrijan84@reddit
Are you affraid thei'll corrupt the locals and "infect" Yugoslavia with blackness? 🤣
technotronica@reddit
Calm your titties and emotions.
https://youtu.be/VgD6xiUxfQ0?si=_vdgjBOy32Q0FumY
adrijan84@reddit
Oh, no! You're illiterate! I'm sorry, didn't mean to pick on the retarded. Praying you get help soon
StrandsOfIce@reddit
Why does europe keep having this problem
Kaito__1412@reddit
Ah shit. Is it that time of month when this whole sub is supposed to be racist against an outside group?
ApplicationOk6762@reddit
And escpaed (:
So TCC will wait for them at the airpot?
Queasy-Park1119@reddit
EErm.. actually most of the Ukranians ran away to western part of Europe and they are getting free stuff.
konkurrenterna@reddit
Good. Let eastern europe taste some diversity
St_nicholasso@reddit
Why do you think they are dragging out the war for so long?
Parking_Cobbler1686@reddit
At what point do we hypothetically start killing our political leaders?
Educational-Fox-77@reddit
RIP
cetrebe@reddit
willingly bring them to the backdoor.
to later be bought by malicious countries to do vile bidding from the inside
i know of no country where this sh!t turned well
DontHitDaddy@reddit
I mean Russia is importing Africans, Cubans, and Jndianz. About time
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
By 2100 the world population will be 75% majority South Asian and Sub Saharan African. We need to accept the reality and enable migration from these regions.
Turkiye is also ageing fast and needs migration. There are some parts in Istanbul where you can see many Africans and is very normal.
LingonberryDizzy6633@reddit
Is Turkey better or worse with the many Africans? Yes/no, and why?
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
if they adapt it is good. our population is ageing. also some diversity again stressing some diversity is good.
LingonberryDizzy6633@reddit
That's not what I've asked though. Don't need to caveat it, it's either yes or no.
But we can get into what it means 'to adapt'.
Integrate? Maybe.
They will generally not have loyalty towards Turkey though (or any country outside of their own). They're there to enjoy economic and social benefits, but that's it.
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
sure like every migrant. if they integrate good. if not bad.
LingonberryDizzy6633@reddit
We haven't established what it means to integrate.
My definition would be a number of steps within a process for a positive contribution (financially, culturally) to society.
For example, learning a language is a start, but not the finish line. You would still have to contribute in other ways.
Odd_Specialist_8687@reddit
If Turkey feels if want to go down that road its up to them.
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
it is not up to us. the world is changing. even Japan is accepting migrants now as the economy might crush.
it happened many times over the centuries. it is now Africans to dominate so we need policies to adapt.
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
How will Turkish society deal with that? It’s not going too well in Western Europe at the moment in terms of societal harmony
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
if done slowly and full integration it will be ok. Western Europe had influx of migrants without integration
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
Wasn’t there Afro Turks in the Ottoman Empire?
Repulsive_Work_226@reddit
yes there are. they even live ın a couple of villages in western Anatolia
BlackTransMaam2@reddit
If they're looking for migrants to fill the jobs Ukrainians don't want to do then there's plenty of roles on the front line that need filling!
Flemgrim@reddit
Ukrainian government opened borders and let more then 5 millions left country, now they talk about labor shortage
Boikata555@reddit
russia won then
IllustriousRanger934@reddit
Redditors after writing a paragraph telling everyone there’s no manpower shortages in UA.
Ukraine is going to have a massive demographic issue when this is all said and done even if 3 Russians die for every Ukrainian.
Culturally importing thousands of African immigrants will be problematic for any Eastern European county where there are large swathes of people in rural areas who have never seen a black person in the flesh.
I’m not Ukrainian, but I can’t see the point of fighting and dying over land if the result is my people vanishing anyways through a combination of deaths and having to import foreigners for labor
Logical_Yak_224@reddit
They should visit some sub-Saharan African countries to see first hand what sort of work ethic they should expect.
KarinPelle@reddit
Everyone should swap countries but better continents, looks like
SpecialistSolid6689@reddit
Why not send them to fight for citizenship? And keep ukrainians at work.
adrijan84@reddit
The word you're looking for is mercenary, and it's an option. Not for citizenship, necessarily, but for money.
SpecialistSolid6689@reddit
I mean what would you send your own in risky places when you can keep you own and send others in echange for citzenship? Seems like a bad ideea..to send your own and to keep the others..like a backwords ideea.
adrijan84@reddit
First, there was a clear mandatory military service for all men since before the war. Good or bad is beyond the point, but that always ensured a reliable, loyal base for scenarios such as this one.
If you rely solely on mercenaries you always risk of loosing your army for a higher bidder, which leaves your ass unguarded and is, clearly, a poor military strategy.
Another reason to send your own is because you will be also managing them by your own, which ensured a high level of emotional attachment, which would make leadership try harder.
SpecialistSolid6689@reddit
Makes sens. Thank you.
Basicaly the diffrence between a squad and a bunch of guys.
adrijan84@reddit
Yeah. You have a bunch of pros that you rely on at any time. Whenever you have a situation, you bring in some reserves and refresh their training, and are capable enough to hold their own and follow orders. It gives you enough time to improve strategy and increase your chances.
Thank you, as well!
SpecialistSolid6689@reddit
Yea we are lucky with the ucraineans to be such a pain in the ass for russians.
In sorry for them but in a way, i happy its them because they are the ones to know what is needed to be done. They know the rusians well..they are the perfect dagger.
bilalcelik1984@reddit
K
BlackMarlin87@reddit
That is simply not true. Zelensky said they lost less than 50k soldiers since the start of the war 😅🤡
adrijan84@reddit
When rebuilding entire cities, you most likely need a lot more people than you might think.
BlackMarlin87@reddit
I was being sarcastic because they are pretending like they don't lose any soldiers
adrijan84@reddit
They don't pretend, they do report numbers. I think it's very cool of them how they manage to strategise so well that they just throw them to slaughter each other.
RichWeekly1332@reddit
As long as they're decent people who's willing to work, it sounds perfect.
dont_dm_nudes@reddit
Lol
Hollowman1212@reddit
No!
Magnum_Gonada@reddit
At this point I think everyone knows Ukraine doesn't have an optimistic future. It's at best pyrrhic victory if the war even formally ends. Might continue even beyond 2030s.
adrijan84@reddit
It might not he an ideal outcome, but it surely is necessary compared to the alternative.
Leighaho@reddit
Well, who would have seen that coming?! Eh?!
basiclaser@reddit
We have been tricked into forgetting what countries are and why they exist even though we spent most of history fighting for stability and safety for our tribes.
It's like we have been given a civilisational auto-immune disease.
Careless-Situation68@reddit
bad idea
adrijan84@reddit
What's your solution?
Key-Football-7492@reddit
So it is all planned out as usual
adrijan84@reddit
Yes, that's how the economy works. You make plans ajd try to see them through.
AnimaGaia@reddit
Import africa to become africa. This was already proven in many european countries.
F_M_G_W_A_C@reddit
"Former FM" is not Ukraine
BiscottiRound7114@reddit
The natality will decrease a lot. Can they somehow pay me to impregnate ukranian women? I'm white
ComfySeafarer710@reddit
Wtf are these comments here holy sh*t
I_saw_you_yesterday@reddit
Oh boy I can already see the „great reset“ morons coming.
adrijan84@reddit
They're already here, but now it's about "population replacement" 🤣
Sakurazukamori1@reddit
......and then vanish somewhere else in Europe ⛔️
CallMeMaryMagdalene@reddit
I see many ingnorant and ilogical comments, reality is that most working capable , young, and even highly competent ppl moved out from those countries (ex yu, bulgaria, romania, albania...) and migrated to western and northern europe, canada, etc.
So countries actually don't have whom to hire and as they want to hire ppl for minimum wage but they do not wanna incrise minimum wages ofc domestic ppl either refuse or move for the same job to economically stronger country.
If min.wage per hr is 4.5-7€ but in w.and n.eu is 11-13€ plus u get a company worker housing for example for construction job, what would u choose? Tbh our hospitality is also becoming very hard to make money as u still make more in innsbruck in a season as a weiter then in some coast cities. Dubrovnik used to be solid tourist wage wise but guys, though out all the country all the best weiters, barmens, etc went for and stayed in austria, swiss, and similar countries due to money and conditions. Most of our countries kept denying scince oportunities, kept gaslighting ppl with fresh dimplomas and denied them normal livable.wage so ppl left! Some of most talented young experts left.
Same happens in sports with coaches for the longest.
So, same as i am a foreigner in a foreign land and expect ppl to treat me well i wish foreigners coming to my homeland same respectful treatment. And if that country can make someone humble and hardworking happy and stable i am happy for them. As tp me it brpught only tears, suffering and humiliations and ultimately casted me out like many others. We doid indeed leave defeated and heartbroken but we had no other choice. I wish those countries to prosper and grow thru ppl who see joy and opportunities, better life there... that is better then whole streets and neighbourhoods becoming ghostowns as ppl migrated and they keep going away.
Salt_Young_4494@reddit
Ukraine bout to become blackraine
adrijan84@reddit
Because that's how migration works
enhelspecial@reddit
Population replacement in Ukraine was obviously always the goal for the globalists who runs the show
adrijan84@reddit
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok-Appointment-9802@reddit
Yeah, sounds and smells like Russian propaganda to me. Btw, didn't Russia just import a whole bunch of workers from India?
DustyCobweb@reddit
What could possibly go wrong
adrijan84@reddit
Not much, really, as long as people are screened and treated with respect.
Abuzuzu@reddit
Don’t do it
adrijan84@reddit
Why not? You proffited for quite a while from cheap labour, let alone slavery.
KungFuClit@reddit
Yeah, and how many Ukrainians have run away.... Especially the rich one, and the "influencer" girls in Dubai as well. Pathetic
adrijan84@reddit
It always happens, no matter the country. The ones with enough resources will simply flee. What matters is to remember who they are and make sure they don't profit when things start settling down.
EnvironmentalHorse13@reddit
All according to plan.
adrijan84@reddit
You're free to go work there. The advantage of being in an independent country.
w1nt3rh3art3d@reddit
So, Ukrainian men are being hunted and forcibly thrown into the meat grinder so migrants from Africa can replace them at their jobs. How about Zelensky’s resignation so we can elect someone who can negotiate with Putin instead? Obviously, the deal would be bad, but the alternative is much worse, isn’t it?
Emergency_Aioli8139@reddit
"just give up 1/5 of your land and award the aggressor bro, surely it won't give backfire and they won't attack again in 15 years" you're stupid
sazma_2208@reddit
they are out of their fucking minds
adrijan84@reddit
Why is that?
Economy-Ad-5782@reddit
So zelenboi is snaring ukranians over the border to get blown up by drones in trenches, and now there's a labor shortage? Best import as many migrants as possible?
adrijan84@reddit
Literally the outcome of every war, if you know how to read, of course. And how most countries rebuilt their social and economic status after things have settled down every time.
HovercraftPlen6576@reddit
They should re-import some of the Ukrainian tourists that are here.
adrijan84@reddit
Sounds like forced labour, something they could have gotten without fighting ruzzians
Sad_Concert_2710@reddit
Sweden has a lot
adrijan84@reddit
Define a lot
laiszt@reddit
It was worth to die for the country given to the people who does not want to die for their country
adrijan84@reddit
It's like saying why buy a house and hire a painter to paint it? 🤣
Ok_Newspaper_9696@reddit
Crying in Azov.
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
First they sent you to die in their war and later import from Africa. Those freaking leftist mfo
Substratas@reddit
If it were for those leftists, the war wouldn’t even have happened…
https://i.redd.it/mgaw21ivvqwg1.gif
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Explain, because as far as everyone knows the war is sponsored from the leftist.
9guyKguy9@reddit
How???? The main agents are Russia and Ukraine No leftists and maybe by extension EU USA Iran North Korea
Only the last one can fit that label although it's different from what it means to be leftist in Europe
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
No no no, is deeper than that. It's not Ukraine it's EU an the US, or was the US the leftist Democrats. Russia is a global superpower, can't give more to the western world because they already lost much in the 90s. It's influential, they already stated stay away from Ukraine. For me personally I'm on the western side, if Ukraine wins is better in my perspective because I see the Ukraine people gaining freedom and democracy but will they gain those if they win? I don't believe they will, Europe is becoming a dictatorship slowly, they are banning privacy in social media, will not allow cash soon, if you want a better wage in terms of worth not quantity their first thought is screw you will will import people from the third world and sell us the idea of not having enough workers and more.
Bataveljic@reddit
The US democrats are not leftist
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
They are bought from them, and support their politics
Bataveljic@reddit
I don't know a lot of leftists who support the US democratic party. Actually, I don't know any now that I think about it. The US democrats are liberal capitalists who prioritise corporate greed over societal needs. Not very leftist if you ask me
hubbabubbameqershi@reddit
Formally speaking yes, but nowadays liberal and leftist interests are very close to one another.
Bataveljic@reddit
What do you base this on?
VortexOfPandemonium@reddit
Absolutely fucking not
Substratas@reddit
Cleared with ease.
https://i.redd.it/abpdqpfy3rwg1.gif
mofocris@reddit
You are either 16 or mentally challenges.
VortexOfPandemonium@reddit
Ukraine is led by a right-wing group btw
Lucky777_777@reddit
someone needs to look after yall wives
Winter_Grand8693@reddit
by force
Opposite_Category_70@reddit
:)) where are those brave patriots that party in Europe. Why are they still there and not in ucraine to defend it,and rebuild it?
readilyunavailable@reddit
They will go back and buy up all the cheap land after the war is done.
Pamisos@reddit
It's never about ethnicity, race or religion. Ukrainians and Russians have these in common. It's about class. It always is. Ukrainian and Russian rich and rulers are alive and safe. The dead are the workers. And they are of no value other than working or dying for them.
Mysterious_Pack3598@reddit
They do not have a shared ethnicity. By that logic we're just Italians or just Bulgarians or something.
And let's be equivocal - THIS IS ON THE RUSSIANS. THEY STARTED THIS SHIT. As always, the muscovites couldn't help themselves and just had to behave like animals. Like they tend to.
Winter_Grand8693@reddit
isn't it ironic how only crime and greed never see ethnicity, race ro religion...
crivycouriac@reddit
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
You may not believe this, but Ukraine actually has less deaths than it did before the war started
Yet the number of births sank even lower so they are on a complete downward spiral now
I’ve been talking about this for years and they always branded me as some sort of Russian asset for this. But I was right, as always
antinatalistkitty@reddit
7 million out of 40 million citizens left in the last 3 years alone and most do not want to go back from what I understand.
Reasons range from better wages with cost of living to avoiding their own corrupt government who is rounding up people on the streets to throw to cannon fodders.
Zelensky is free to ask Ukrainians to come back and help repatriation but that would mean he has to admit that the situation is not as bad as he claims and no more EU big bucks anymore.
PurpleMclaren@reddit
Ukraine lost a quarter of their population, deaths doesnt matter.
crivycouriac@reddit
PurpleMclaren@reddit
You realize thats just in Denmark, right?
crivycouriac@reddit
PurpleMclaren@reddit
Isnt this just austria..? Lol
crivycouriac@reddit
We have two mostly unrelated countries proving the same trend
PurpleMclaren@reddit
I wasnt trying to say youre wrong in my reply to you, more so that fertility rate doesnt matter.
If all men who were fighting age have left then that literally just leaves women, children and elderly to fight.
Orangoo264@reddit
weirdo
crivycouriac@reddit
Bahaha
alasw0eisme@reddit
Take your meds
zara_anwar@reddit
White males keeping stacking L's it's so funny
TurdEye69@reddit
Is it? The people who are actually productive and capable of building the things that make futurism come true are being terrorised by entire world. How funny is that exactly?
Realistic_Scarcity72@reddit
Western european nations robbed the world
TurdEye69@reddit
I’m not Western European. My people have also been victims to western politics and interests. No matter what their ancestors have done is overblown by propaganda and to be fair doesn’t matter. It’s centuries ago. The current generation of people have done nothing wrong. Punishing people now is just hateful for no real reason. People should stop looking for excuses to justify terror. No matter to whom, westerners or not. All else is either idiotic or product of brainwashing.
Realistic_Scarcity72@reddit
Doesnt the eu exploit eastern europe like germany did with greece
TurdEye69@reddit
For some stuff. For others they help us. It’s complicated. Either way we are better off collaborating. Nothing is black and white.
RoosterNearby6489@reddit
Dont bother with women . Lost cause.
TurdEye69@reddit
zara_anwar@reddit
Nick Fuentes with Bulgaria flair, what a time to be alive 🤣
TurdEye69@reddit
Thank you
zara_anwar@reddit
White women need some flavor after the war ends, cope white boi
Immediate_Safety_131@reddit
Why do you act as you are an albanian? You are arab
Restposten@reddit
Afria is going to triple its population in the coming 70-80 years. 3 billion Africans by 2100. Currently every second person on this planet is from India or China. 2100 every second person will probably be from Africa since birth rates for India and China are around 1.7-2.1 (declining population).
ZimnyKefir@reddit
African migrants working? LoL 😂
Sad-Raisin-5797@reddit
They are the fastest growing population on earth so..
itisnotstupid@reddit
Not sure what thoughts you want us to have tbh. They have been fighting an unfair war for so long and they need cheap labour. Let's hope this all works and they manage to keep russians away from Europe.
UsernameNineBillion@reddit
Disaster..... forcefully remove workforce to throw them in the pits... then give the fruits of the hard work of the already deceased ukrainians to migrants....
Even a death sentence is too small for Zelensky...
Crnamagija007@reddit
It cannot be true.
Z said he recruits 30,000 a month and only lost 100,000 in past four years.
He said he has killed millions of Russians. He will not lie
I know - because CBS, CNN, FOX, BBC, tells me so …
Public-Finger@reddit
source on this?
Legal_Building_5063@reddit
What was the name of that guy? Karl Geri or something?
Dan_m_31@reddit
Blame Pootin. I wish him a wet grave
Ordinary-Resort9249@reddit
Better than how Russia is luring African migrants with promises of jobs only to put them on the frontline.
Mucklord1453@reddit
Turkey and Albania should do this too to combat their falling birthrates.
Flegetonte@reddit
2022 - According to the Independent, Black people seeking to leave the country have been abandoned at border crossings, and have been discriminated against in their attempts to board public transport to evacuate the country. One citizen even told the Independent that he and his family were denied entry to a bus on its way to cross the border, being told, “no blacks.”
Now after they kidnapped and sent to die all their young male population the Gold WC UkroNazi in charge they want them back?
ThePurpleKing159@reddit
I would have LAUGHED at every conspiracy theory but now I trust them all.
PromotionNo6366@reddit
I should order a wife from there
KisseKaett@reddit
uh oh
AcceptableFail7034@reddit
Just looking at the one country both Ukraine and russia is allied too. And it all makes sense and the pres of Ukraine as well🤣🤔
bobo6u89@reddit
Its war. Why is noone thinking about cloning? Just clone the horny people and they will have 10+ regular kids.
MoneyLaunderX@reddit
Very much against it. Ukrainians are being sent to the trenches, just to import Africans. Disgusting behavior from Zelensky.
LackNo8705@reddit
He's jewish, they're always the most pro immigration because they've felt as outsiders in Western Civilisation for the last 2000+ years. Time to even the tables I guess..
juju515@reddit
Western Europe gonna explode way way before it becomes a real problem in Eastern Europe.
aXeOptic@reddit
Its almost like theres been a war in Ukraine for a while now!
Remote-Ad2281@reddit
Whyyyyy😭🥀
Boysenberry_Boring@reddit
russia does it too, africans and indians
nimbledoor@reddit
They will fit right in the EU after this
lunrob@reddit
Don’t fall for it!
eferalgan@reddit
All those widows will need a man. If is a BBC all the better. Great idea!
Magnum_Gonada@reddit
Also disabled veterans are probably not very attractive.
eferalgan@reddit
Ukrainian women will need a guy, once their Only Fans and Chaturbate careers are over…
Vaisiamarrr@reddit
Romanians are in no position to comment on that, our women do the same shit and we’re not in a war
dante_55_@reddit
For some bizarre reason the Ukrainians were ok with having a Jewish president. I wonder if anyone is surprised by the results
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fancywipe@reddit
As someone that’s from Africa I can tell you that’s a terrible idea, I’m moving to Bucharest to get away from Africa I don’t want to see it as my neighbour
Jesfey@reddit
Zero difference. Ukraine economically belongs more to Africa than to Europe.
Kovalski94@reddit
They'll eventually end up on the battlefront.
BouRock@reddit
"import?" these are human beings you dorks
BigDummy1286@reddit
EU is destroying itself. It pains me to think my children will not experience the same Europe I did. Things need to change, quickly.
Chonkiki@reddit
They either inject workforce with the caveats that it brings or collapse, difficult times call for difficult measures, yes people will bitch and moan about immigration but they will bitch and moan more if their whole economy collapses, besides it will give everyone something to hate "immigrants took our jabbs"
erdholo@reddit
that was the plan. Kill the young Ukrainians and fulfill Schwab's prophecy
HadesMyself@reddit
I think Ukraine has enough problem of its own. No need to get a new problem, despite short term advantages
Far_Country_1629@reddit
What could possibly go wrong ?
SkyTalez@reddit
Why do you ask it at the Balkans sub?
Inevitable_Motor_685@reddit
Millions of Ukranians are refugees living in Europe, if some of them were to return to Ukraine the workforce could be balanced to an extent. Trying to bring in African workers to fix the economy doesnt seem that bright tbh
hgaben90@reddit
If they ended up duping and recruiting them like the Russkies already do, it would be awkward when Africans fight Africans in Eastern Ukraine lol
Weirdo9495@reddit
Logical. What other option do they have?
gushi1-@reddit
Import them to the front line and pay them to fight.
OveHet@reddit
Maybe not send their own to die at the front? Just a thought
PurpleMclaren@reddit
Fake news, Ukrainians are killing 1000 russians for every dead Ukrainian
BlastRadius00@reddit
This is where Ukraine gets destroyed far beyond anything the Russians could have done to it!
FuckTheCake@reddit
Finally Ukraine can become a civilized country
TiredOperator420@reddit
Russia does the same. They import Indians, Pakis and Africans to do the work.