Are you seriously trying to imply that a scenario where either Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan became the global hegemon after WW2 would have been functionally indistinguishable from the actual timeline?
They contrived the war in order to undermine the Constitution; every other country on Earth managed to abolish slavery without killing 2% of their population.
The Civil War ended in 1865. Black Americans weren't even made legal whole citizens until 1965, and the Civil Rights Act and Equal Rights Amendment have never been fully implemented. The Civil War was the transition from an agrarian Chattel Slavery economy to an industrial wage slave economy, not a fight for justice and equality. And the 13th Amendment specifically permits slavery. Sorry, but your idealism doesn't match reality or history. Try again. Try harder.
During the 1956 Suez "Crisis" - when Israel, France and the UK all joined up to illegally seize the Suez Canal, President Eisenhower literally ordered them to stop, and warned them that the US would cease accepting their currencies for trade if they refused.
Eisenhower understood that the Canal represented a valuable prize, but he pointed them toward the USSR, which was involved in the brutal suppression of an uprising in Hungary. Seizing the Canal would have surrendered the moral high ground the West still held.
Eisenhower was far from innocent himself - he'd okayed the coups in Iran and Guatemala - but he wasn't wrong about the US enjoying a great deal of respect around the world as a "fair dealer". There was no UN order that imposed the US dollar on every country as a trade currency - they all did this of free choice.
Global goodwill is an incredibly valuable asset, but the US has lately treated it as worthless.
This is such a ridiculous question to argue over. The world isn't neatly divided into good guy countries and bad guy countries. Some are definitely better than others but you're never going to find a country that's entirely innocent, nor one that's entirely evil.
The country that claimed that, "All men are created equal," while enslaving blacks and killing Indians?
The country that insisted that a standing army should only last 2 years at a time, but has reauthorized it every 2 years for 236 years?
The country that has been involved in military conflicts for all but 17 years of its existence?
The country whose Constitution was illegally written, and imposed through threats of extortion and economic punishment, and was only mitigated by the insistence upon the Bill of Rights?
The country that intentionally created an unnecessary Civil War in order to undermine the Bill of Rights?
The country that betrayed even the supposed beneficiaries of that Civil War, freed slaves, when it became politically expedient?
The country that provoked a war with Spain in order to steal their colonies, and then acted more brutally to those colonies than the Spanish had?
US has always been the bad guy. That’s y their own country kicked them out of jail with the Sephardic Jews purchasing Colomb’s voyage(New World) pillaging, raping, maiming, genocide, ethnic cleansing millions(trillions if not) the indigenous natives of the land. Now it’s falling by its own weight of indecency…as it should…Evil is as Evil does! Yet it’s manipulation of propaganda has people believing the biggest threat is Ray-Ray & Junebug fighting, shooting, etc amongst their individual selves when every country has this issue due to proximity not global domination.
spazmodo33@reddit
Become!?!
dalhectar@reddit
Always have been.
Hayes4prez@reddit
Hasn’t “always” been but is absolutely the bad guy (with Israel) in this war (… and the previous war… and the war before that).
Asatmaya@reddit
When were we the good guys, exactly?
plumcrazy2007@reddit
1945 then it was all downhill from there😄
Asatmaya@reddit
Not even then...
plumcrazy2007@reddit
You have to admit things would a lot different if we had not joined.
War IS hell but sometimes you do what you gotta do
Asatmaya@reddit
Do I really? A different color of boot on the neck of the world?
Inevitable-Regret411@reddit
Are you seriously trying to imply that a scenario where either Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan became the global hegemon after WW2 would have been functionally indistinguishable from the actual timeline?
Asatmaya@reddit
I don't think that either of them had the potential to become a global hegemon, certainly not the way the US did.
Beyond that, it would only be a matter of who was being oppressed.
ColeBSoul@reddit
Ah Blue MAGA trading in a sanitized and self revisionist history. When, pray-tell, was the USA the good guy?
Hayes4prez@reddit
The Civil War. Extinguishing slavery within the US is a good guy move.
Asatmaya@reddit
They contrived the war in order to undermine the Constitution; every other country on Earth managed to abolish slavery without killing 2% of their population.
ColeBSoul@reddit
The Civil War ended in 1865. Black Americans weren't even made legal whole citizens until 1965, and the Civil Rights Act and Equal Rights Amendment have never been fully implemented. The Civil War was the transition from an agrarian Chattel Slavery economy to an industrial wage slave economy, not a fight for justice and equality. And the 13th Amendment specifically permits slavery. Sorry, but your idealism doesn't match reality or history. Try again. Try harder.
elquanto@reddit
Check the 13th amendment.
exoriare@reddit
During the 1956 Suez "Crisis" - when Israel, France and the UK all joined up to illegally seize the Suez Canal, President Eisenhower literally ordered them to stop, and warned them that the US would cease accepting their currencies for trade if they refused.
Eisenhower understood that the Canal represented a valuable prize, but he pointed them toward the USSR, which was involved in the brutal suppression of an uprising in Hungary. Seizing the Canal would have surrendered the moral high ground the West still held.
Eisenhower was far from innocent himself - he'd okayed the coups in Iran and Guatemala - but he wasn't wrong about the US enjoying a great deal of respect around the world as a "fair dealer". There was no UN order that imposed the US dollar on every country as a trade currency - they all did this of free choice.
Global goodwill is an incredibly valuable asset, but the US has lately treated it as worthless.
Dinosaur-chicken@reddit
The only time the US had the moral high ground was when they were killing Nazis in WW2
Demonweed@reddit
Yeah, the last moment the armed forces of the United States of America were not obviously bad guys, the Empire of Japan had not yet surrendered.
evgis@reddit
Exactly, what has changed is that Trump doesn't care about building the narrative.
davesr25@reddit
Was.
vcp64@reddit
Become?
EagleEyes0001@reddit
Inevitable-Regret411@reddit
This is such a ridiculous question to argue over. The world isn't neatly divided into good guy countries and bad guy countries. Some are definitely better than others but you're never going to find a country that's entirely innocent, nor one that's entirely evil.
0liviuhhhhh@reddit
You ask like this is a new thing
Caelum67@reddit
Native America has joined the chat…..
Banjoschmanjo@reddit
"Become"? No.
PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK@reddit
From the depart of defence to the department of war
The US has never been clearer.
The US foreign policy can be summed up in one line:
“You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun.”
― Al Capone
Asatmaya@reddit
The country that claimed that, "All men are created equal," while enslaving blacks and killing Indians?
The country that insisted that a standing army should only last 2 years at a time, but has reauthorized it every 2 years for 236 years?
The country that has been involved in military conflicts for all but 17 years of its existence?
The country whose Constitution was illegally written, and imposed through threats of extortion and economic punishment, and was only mitigated by the insistence upon the Bill of Rights?
The country that intentionally created an unnecessary Civil War in order to undermine the Bill of Rights?
The country that betrayed even the supposed beneficiaries of that Civil War, freed slaves, when it became politically expedient?
The country that provoked a war with Spain in order to steal their colonies, and then acted more brutally to those colonies than the Spanish had?
...and this just gets us up to the 20th century!
digitalgimp@reddit
Go on then… we’re listening! You have a couple more centuries!
Asatmaya@reddit
Uh, wow, let's just list US "interventions" in the Western Hemisphere in the 20th century:
Panama 1903
Honduras 1903
Dominican Republic 1905
Cuba 1906
Nicaragua 1912
Cuba 1912
Mexico 1913
Mexico 1914
Haiti 1915
Mexico 1916
Dominican Republic 1916
Cuba 1917
Guatemala 1920
Panama 1921
Honduras 1924
Nicaragua 1926
Dominican Republic 1930
El Salvador 1932
Cuba 1933
Nicaragua 1936
Panama 1941
Guatemala 1954
Cuba 1961
Ecuador 1963
Honduras 1963
Brazil 1964
Dominican Republic 1965
Guatemala 1966
Bolivia 1971
Chile 1973
Argentina 1976
El Salvador 1980
Nicaragua 1981
Grenada 1983
Panama 1989
Haiti 1994
Colombia 1999
digitalgimp@reddit
Holy cow! That’s straight up cancer. Malignant cancer!
Asatmaya@reddit
This is not a coincidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_East_India_Company
digitalgimp@reddit
Chip off the old block. Corporatism has long and deep roots. The rot of British colonialism has shown how much of a shelf life it has.
Her_X@reddit
Asked and answered...100+ times and the answer is the same every time. = Yes, from day one of your shit CoUNTry, you just realized it now.
southwestont@reddit
lol
Sign_of_juniper_bush@reddit
become?
StableGeniusCovfefe@reddit
Become?
Voyage_of_Roadkill@reddit
Ha! Like we ever weren't.
elw00do@reddit
US has always been the bad guy. That’s y their own country kicked them out of jail with the Sephardic Jews purchasing Colomb’s voyage(New World) pillaging, raping, maiming, genocide, ethnic cleansing millions(trillions if not) the indigenous natives of the land. Now it’s falling by its own weight of indecency…as it should…Evil is as Evil does! Yet it’s manipulation of propaganda has people believing the biggest threat is Ray-Ray & Junebug fighting, shooting, etc amongst their individual selves when every country has this issue due to proximity not global domination.
Imperialist-Settler@reddit
fifthflag@reddit
🌎👩🚀🔫👩🚀
JKDClay@reddit
They just don't worry about hiding it any more.
CauseCertain1672@reddit
since when, the answer is yes but not recently
Asatmaya@reddit
Or ever...
everyplacenoplace@reddit
Living under a rock?
ub3rm3nsch@reddit
"Become"? Oh honey...