Is there really a need for a cpu better than 5800x3d?
Posted by flaspd@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 151 comments
meaning for 1440p 120fps will there be any situation where the cpu will bottleneck me?
i currently have 5700x but thinking buying the 5800x3d 10th anniversary for a last upgrade on my am4 board.
i just wonder if this is a mistake and better just upgrade to am5 in a year or 2.
i have a 165hz monitor but anything above 120fps for me feels unnecessary
SyrusDeathHunter345@reddit
I cant recommend upgrading to am5 in a year or 2 because the market is such shit. However idk if everyone else is reading 1440p, because im pretty certain you will need a better cpu unless your playing light load specific games. If you are trying to play cod on this at 1440p 120fps no chance its steady all the time. So ig its just what you play that makes the difference but I still wouldnt expect 120 frames all the time unless you look at the cpu upgrade.
fenikz13@reddit
Not yet
SIDER250@reddit
Best is to keep 5800X3D and once AM6 is out and prices stabilize (hopefully), then you can update if the AM6 cpus performance are good or Intel for that case. I wouldn’t bother with AM5 at all personally.
greggm2000@reddit
Considering AM6 is likely to be 2030 or a bit later, that's probably unreasonable. We'll see game ports from the PS6 and Xbox Helix (both using Zen 6 + RDNA5 APUs) well before then, OP I think will be fine with a 5800X3D for now, but will probably want to upgrade in a few years.. that will mean AM5 or Intel LGA1954.
nightsyn7h@reddit
Highly doubt both MS and Sony will go Zen 6 for consoles. Zen 5 is more feasible.
greggm2000@reddit
Nevertheless, all the rumors I’ve seen point to it being true (Zen 6 + RDNA5), and the timeline of Late 2027 lines up too. Ofc the desktop parts for the next-gen stuff will be out before that (including from Intel), that’s what many people will be buying if they don’t go for a PS6 or Xbox Helix.
ccoulter93@reddit
Looking at benchmarks, paired with a 5080 at 1440p, 9800x3d is only 20% better
FatalGamer1@reddit
What is your GPU?
WayExcellent5595@reddit
It depends... For high end emulation like rpcs3 or mame heavy 3d games, the better the cpu, the better are the performances.
Even-Act-85@reddit
Is there better? Yes. Is there a need? Depends on your system honestly. I'd argue that a 5800x3d will handle pretty much whatever you throw at it. The real limiting factor here is that you're stuck with ddr4, although x3d cpus don't benefit as much from quick ram as other cpus.
flaspd@reddit (OP)
Is ram really a point of bottlenecking?
I have 32gb ddr4 ram 3200 mhz i think of cl19 (which i remember is unusual)
My gpu is 6750xt but i am thinking getting 9070xt
RushingUnderwear@reddit
Ram is not a bottlenecking you, and wont be for the next many years.. Those who say otherwise likely doest have a single clue about hardware..
PCIE 4, DDR4, 5700x3d or 5800x3d and w/e upper end GPU, then you will be running 120+ fps 1440 the next 4 years np.
Currently we have nothing on the market, that AM4 and DDR4 ram cant handle with minimal comparison to DDR5 and AM5.
I am running 5700x3d and 9070 xt, and there is nothing and i mean nothing that i dont have 120+ fps in on ultra graphics 1440p.
nightsyn7h@reddit
This. We have kinda plateau'd hardware-wise, at least in the gaming front, and will be this way until the next generation of consoles (and sometimes I doubt it).
AM5 is unnecessary.
Anywhere311@reddit
Ram doesn’t cl doesn’t do as much as people seem to think it does …. Toms hardware went over every Ram kit and compared them and a 3200 30cl 32gb kit was only off of a 6400mts 22cl 32gb kit by like 15fps. A 5400mts 30cl 32gb vs a 6400hz 22cl 32gb kit was like 1fps. So going to ddr4 to ddr5 will help but going all crazy getting the best ddr5 sets is really useless and the extra 400-700$ can be spent towards a better GPU
Dimo145@reddit
you won't get meaningful differences if you change any of your current parts, if you want to throw extra money at something noticeable, get a 5070ti instead
flaspd@reddit (OP)
No big difference upgrading 6750xt to 9070xt?
blakelylol@reddit
He’s smoking the good shit hahaha
That would be a huge upgrade.
Even-Act-85@reddit
Especially when he's recommending a 5070ti lol it's litterally the equivalent of a 9070xt, just more expensive
Dimo145@reddit
Equivalent lol, support is like almost more important than anything else nowadays. and AMD have clearly shafted the Radeon users and lineup. it might be 150 bucks cheaper, but those result in both a shorter lifespan to the range of up to 2 years or more and also a worse overall experience during the said lifetime, once again due to support of features set.
SituationSmooth9165@reddit
They haven't shafted anyone. Just the rumour mill and nvidia fanboys to make amd look bad
MarxistMan13@reddit
What are you even talking about? lol
Dimo145@reddit
you think that dlss updates (now up to 4 and 4.5 - given now the newest one is harder to run) didn't extend the lifespan of rtx 2000 cards compared to rx 5000/6000 with the horrible early fsr?
MarxistMan13@reddit
The lifespan of the RTX 2000 cards with 8GB or less of VRAM? No, I don't really think they did.
Dimo145@reddit
What kind of a goal post moving is that??? I thought the discussion was clearly features set. and 5070ti bs 9070xt have the same amount of vram.
MarxistMan13@reddit
It's not moving the goalposts. You said DLSS extended the lifespan of the RTX 2000 series, but it didn't. The VRAM was the limitation more than upscaling quality.
If you want to spend 30-50% more for a 5070ti, then no one is going to stop you. You do you. Just don't pretend like it's an objectively good choice or that it will have a longer lifespan.
PrettyQuick@reddit
2000/3000 series still wouldn't have framegen support if it wasn't for AMD.
Even-Act-85@reddit
Because Nvidia never "shafted" its users of course. Ragebaiting aside, I agree with you. However, I was comparing pure performance here. And with such a price difference (you said 150 but where I live it's closer to 300), the choice seems clear to me. Again, you're not necessarily wrong, I'm just saying my priorities are somewhere else.
Skill_Plenty@reddit
They're not the same. Nvidia is far superior to AMD in technology; it's years ahead. Better quality with DLSS, much better frame rate, multi-frame generation, and soon NTC. Much better in ray tracing and the ability to use path tracing makes a HUGE difference in current games.
Isaac-the-netizen@reddit
I owned 9070xt as well as the 5070ti paired with 7800x3d, honestly I don’t see nor feel a difference at all apart from the 9070xt running hotter and higher power consumption by 50w-80w. Reason I sold my 9070xt because I found a 5070ti at a cheaper price than what I sold my 9070xt for.
Even-Act-85@reddit
Honestly? NVidia is ahead, yes, but AMD is quickly catching up, except maybe regarding raytracing where nvidia still is miles ahead. But is it worth paying such a price difference? I personally don't think so. In my country, there is around a 300€ difference between those 2 models, which makes the choice pretty clear. If the difference was less than 100€, it would be debatable, I agree.
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Dimo145@reddit
If I clearly suggested a GPU upgrade, replying to him talking about ram and cpu, clearly I'm not talking about GPU?
Channing to a faster ram from 3200mhz whatever CL rating is gonna be meaningless difference In terms of %
Same thing with 5700x to 5800x3d on 1440p specifically or 4k even.
he suggests he also plans to upgrade GPU, of course this sub just loves amd and seethes at any mention of Nvidia, but if he wishes to splurge extra money (cpu and ram), it going towards a GPU with a better features suite is far better of a choice.
blakelylol@reddit
The extra cache in an x3d cpu is a game changer on some titles so 5700x -> 5800x3D could be a huge upgrade depending on what games OP plays. I do agree on the 5070ti recommendation over a 9070 xt. Mine was a turd and I had so many driver issues on my system and I should have never strayed away from nvidia.
SituationSmooth9165@reddit
Nvidia driversvhas been nothing but issues for the past year. You weren't missing out on much
SituationSmooth9165@reddit
You suggested him a 5070ti which isn't any different and he could use all the money wasted on that GPU that gives you an extra 5 frames to get a better CPU
Tgrove88@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/s/RlVmVRUSXm
Even-Act-85@reddit
Get the 9070xt then. Your cpu may be bottlenecking in some cpu-bound games but you'll be fine. Then if you feel the need to, buy the 5800x3d once it releases, but apart from a boost in fps stability thanks to the l3 cache you won't see much of a difference. As for your ram, it's a good set, and won't be limiting, rather the big frequenct difference compared to ddr5 would be a plus. However as I said x3d cpus don't benefit as much from higher frequency ram as other processors, so you'll be fine.
bgslr@reddit
Would I notice any difference between a 5800x and 5800x3D? I would never make that upgrade as at that point I'm getting a new mobo with a different CPU and DDR5 ram.
I just got the 9070 XT and the card absolutely rips. I love it.
SituationSmooth9165@reddit
I switched from 5800x3d from the 5800x. Was definitely worth it, there were a bunch of games were my CPU was at 100% which never happened with the rtx3070.
It really helped for battlefield, Dota2, Overwatch and other multiplayer games. Improved it on Ark Survival and overall made things smoother.
It wasn't massive but CPU was no longer super hot, PC used GPU a lot more
Even-Act-85@reddit
There would be a difference mainly with 1% lows but mostly not.
N7even@reddit
Going from 6750XT to 9070XT will be a relatively huge upgrade, much larger than upgrading your CPU.
It will make it easier to run 120FPS and use less power when doing so as well as using higher settings.
Beginning_Anxious@reddit
People constantly underestimate how important ram performance is lol.
pesa44@reddit
It depends what you look for and how sensitive you're. I hate microstuttering and I'm very sensitive to it. DDR5 with x3d chip was a game changer for me. I don't need 120fps in single player games I play, but I need average 1% lows above 60 and consistent frame time. And that's where it gets interesting..
Denislav_2006@reddit
hey i have the ryzen 7 5700x the same as yours and a rx6700xt i would recommend you instead of getting a 9070xt get a 7900XTX you have more vram 24GB instead of 16 on the 9070 if im not mistaking
f1rstx@reddit
9070xt is far better gpu and VRAM isn’t important
Denislav_2006@reddit
Source ChatGPT
RX 7900 XTX (stronger in raw power)
f1rstx@reddit
Imagine asking ChatGPT for this, lol
Nek0maniac@reddit
oppinion invalid
Even-Act-85@reddit
Debatable honestly. Almost nothing uses more than 16gigs of vram. The 7900xtx and 9070xt have the same raw power, but the 9070xt will have driver support for much longer, and the latest tech. However, you can probably find a 7900xtx for cheaper on the used market, that's where its value lies. It does eat through power tho
Australasian25@reddit
Textures on 1440p, correct.
The risk here is with framegen, path tracing and ray tracing.
AlfaPro1337@reddit
Yes, that cpu is no longer the latest, usable, best and gaming king cpu by AMD and PCMR standards.
The cpu you want now is the 9950X3D2, which ticks everything, latest, usable, best gaming king CPU.
ghostsilver@reddit
really depends on what you play. Simulation games can easily eats up even the 9800x3d. But other than that, not really.
Sure there will be improvement, but it's not worth the cost of an entire new platform.
airborneduck13@reddit
Yup, in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 I noticed a significant improvement in performance going for the Ryzen 7 7700 to the 7800x3D
jaorocha@reddit
Wow and path of exile also perform much better on 7800s, and theres also a big leap hetween 7800 and 9800
drewts86@reddit
Tarkov is another game that is CPU hungry and really benefits from going with a 9800x3d
gabeheadman@reddit
This was a cool comparison. Thanks for sharing it. Difference is HUGE.
Aggravating-Nerve951@reddit
Saw substantial performance improvements in Path of Exile 2 going to a 9800X3D from a 14600K. Night and day difference
barraformat@reddit
I don’t think the 5800x3d upgrade will be worth it for the price tag - unless they make them very cheap - the 5700x it’s a great CPU already, I know because I have one paired with a 9070xt.
Also consider if you would need a cpu cooler upgrade with 5800x3d - they don’t run as cool as the 5700x - you don’t already have a nice one.
Captain_Konnius@reddit
5800x3d, 32GB od RAM, 4090 here. I don’t think there is.
ExpertResolution9255@reddit
i’ll take that 5700x off ur hands friend 😭
miroljubni-rom@reddit
Saw elsewhere in this thread you have a 6750xt.... if it were me, I'd upgrade my gpu before the cpu for 1440p 120fps.
flaspd@reddit (OP)
Want to upgrade to 9070xt but afraid my 5700x will bottleneck
SushiBump@reddit
Let's assume the 5700x bottlenecks the 9070xt in any considerable way, jumping from a 6750xt to a 9070xt will likely yield a bigger performance jump than a 5700x to a 5800x3d while on the 6750xt. Then you can carry that 9070xt with you for years, even into your next build. So you more performance NOW and it's investing for LATER.
voidlotus316@reddit
If you tweak your 5700x and have 3600 cl16 or 18 ram it goes a long way like my setup is peforming like a 12600k in gaming or a 5800xt.
Ratosson@reddit
Sometimes 9070xt bottlenecks your 5700x, sometimes your 5700x bottlenecks 9070xt. Heck, sometimes 9850X3d will bottleneck RTX 5090 or vice versa. It all depends on the game, framerate, resolution and settings.
avatarreb@reddit
Keep on cranking up the quality settings until the gpu becomes the bottleneck.
Dumb_woodworker_md@reddit
So. You can upgrade your cpu later. There ALWAYS is a bottleneck. Usually it’s my gpu. Sometimes it’s my cpu, sometimes, it’s software, and sometimes it’s my monitor.
miroljubni-rom@reddit
Depends on game/settings but my 5950x (which as far as gaming goes isn't really any better than your 5700x) does fine with my 9070.. I just crank up the graphics settings/rt and gpu utilization gets close to 100%
SushiBump@reddit
Just imo, if you're already at a 5700x, then you're better off investing in a faster GPU. I don't think that it's worth the am5 jump considering prices - especially if you're capping at 120fps.
poofyhairguy@reddit
Fantastic thread to read! Was in the same shape just upgraded from 6700 to 9070 on the GPU side and that’s still a massive leap on a 5700X, but might upgrade to 5800X3D if it’s reasonable pricing wise on re-release.
_Rah@reddit
Depends on the games you play. But yes. Newer CPUs will totally benefit certain games. There are times when I am CPU bound on my 7950X3D.
flaspd@reddit (OP)
Can you give an example of such game and what is your target resolution/fps?
Sixbiscuits@reddit
Frame rate in Helldivers 2 went from around 140ish on a 5900x to 230ish with a change to a 5950x3d.
4k native with a 4090. Start up scene standing on the ship static.
This is with smooth motion of course.
semidegenerate@reddit
5950X3D? Those never left the prototype stage.
Do you mean 7950X3D?
Sixbiscuits@reddit
Sorry. 9950x3d
semidegenerate@reddit
Fancy.
Sixbiscuits@reddit
It's a great processor. Still trying to eek the most out of it.
I do a refresh of CPU every 5 years or so so I expect it'll last that long. The 5900x was great and is going to someone else. It still has a lot of life left in it
semidegenerate@reddit
Nice.
I have a similar upgrade cycle. I jumped from an 8700K to a 13900K, personally. My desktop is used as both a workstation and gaming rig, so I keep thinking about swapping out for a 9950X3D, but I know I don't actually need it. I'm going to force myself to go another few years and see what's on offer then. I also got a 5090 last fall, so I'm already well into the red on my mental responsibility ledger.
_Rah@reddit
CS2 is a game I spend most of my time in. A lot of esports titles are CPU bound. I usually get about 300-400 FPS only. Cant even max out my monitor refresh rate. Looking forward to the 10800X3D next year. Its rumored to have 12 cores.
I don't have your chip, so I don't know if its a bottleneck on your CPU but Satisfactory uses about 60% of my 16 cores. Basically it uses all 8 cores and a bit more. If you have 8 cores, you would be bottlenecked. For context an i9 9900k used to get me about 20FPS if I was lucky.
Once again, it depends on the games you play. Its probably fine for most games. But some will be bottlenecked. Most wont.
Pc_problems117@reddit
Need probably not but as for performance gains there is a huge jump from am4 normal to x3d
tnorlifting@reddit
Can I ask what games do you play out of curiosity? :D
ThunderKats351@reddit
Even on most CPU demanding game going from 20 to 28 FPS when it deeps won't make much of a difference and those games can be count with maybe just one hand.
Queasy_Ad_8621@reddit
The higher end stuff mostly benefits productivity/AI/rendering/crypto.
For games at maxed out settings, most people will only really need a 7800x3d, a regular non-X3D Ryzen 9 or like an ultra 7. Put the extra couple hundred bucks into more RAM, storage or a better monitor.
r2-z2@reddit
Can anyone answer if buying the 5800x3d would even help at all over the 5800X. My guess is the bump wouldn’t be worth the cost. But the margins are too small for me to know
UnusualDemand@reddit
Cities skylines says yes. That game would be happy with x2 9800x3d and 120gb of ram.
DCYouKnighted@reddit
I have 5800x3d and 5070ti - I target 100-120fps 1440p ultrawide. For reference with dlss, pathtracing and frame generation in cyberpunk I got like 90-120 (can’t remember numbers) but I was satisfied. You know the 9070xt is similar with different features but you’re not doing ultrawide. If I were you I’d just get the 9070xt enjoy the hell out of it even with a small hit, save the $400 on the 5800x3d. Upgrade either when the am4 used market gets flush for another nice little boost or upgrade everything all at once later on. Seems like you missed the ship a little bit. You can find comfort that 90 fps-100fps is still great for AAA games. You can try lossless scaling which has similar to frame generation feature since the 9070xt should pump out more than 50-60 fps.
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Might as well wait for AM5
Primus_is_OK_I_guess@reddit
Depends entirely on the GPU. The top 5 or so would be significantly limited by the 5800X3D, even at 1440p and 4K, especially with upscaling. For any others it won't make much of a difference.
DeusXNex@reddit
Am4 is still perfectly capable in my experience. Am5 feels a lot snappier though. And fps gains are nothing to sneeze at but I wouldn’t say it’s worth it for the price unless you find a good microcenter deal
Sakuroshin@reddit
For the most part the 5800x3d should be fine for your resolution and fps target. It might not always be able to hit 120fps in very cpu heavy games but afaik nothing currently out would play at a low enough fps to be considered anywhere near unplayable. Its probably one if the most benchmarked cpus on the market so there are tons of reviews you can reference.
Mecha120@reddit
Coming from someone who went from a 5800X3D to a 9800X3D and playing at 4K, conventional wisdom would say no and I'm inclined to agree.
However, my case is more niche in that the games I like to play happen to be much more CPU-bound even at 4K, namely what I've played the most in the past few years are Warhammer 40K: Darktide and Helldivers 2. With my 5800X3D and my 4080 at 4K, both of these games would have GPU utilization drop to as low as 60% when there were enough mob on screen and my average framerate would tank. When I upgraded, these problems went away completely and I keep above 95% GPU utilization almost constantly. To be fair, they both use the same game engines which is inherently CPU-bound, most game engines aren't.
I also play with tons of emulation which when you start getting into 6th and 7th gen consoles (PS2/PS3 respectively), CPUs play a larger role.
To sum it all up, it all depends on what you want to use it for. Most gaming will say no it's not worth the upgrade. In my case however, it is.
Popgun68@reddit
I say the same thing about my 9800x3D Funny huh?
shadowlid@reddit
Depending on price not even worth getting the 5800X3d unless its like $250-300 ish when they come back out. If they are asking $450 just keep the 5700X.
LegendaryTribes@reddit
I upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x3d for like 150$ in 2024, and got a 5070ti just before BF last year for msrp, it's a 9/10 combo. The CPU does struggle to push really good frames in CPU intensive games like bf6 but I still get 120fps roughly with it on medium settings at 1440p
Maximum-Rhubarb-3365@reddit
For gaming it'd be better to upgrade your graphics card now rather than your CPU if you plan on switching to AM5,
5yrup@reddit
This computer is never obsolete. Why would anyone need something better than a 533MHz Celeron?
https://www.reddit.com/r/computers/comments/1899on3/this_computer_is_never_obsolete/
MarxistMan13@reddit
I upgraded from a 5800X3D to a 9800X3D for 1440p gaming. There were many games I play that were limited by the 5800X3D, like Cities Skylines and World of Warcraft.
YMMV, it'll depend on what you play.
Tgrove88@reddit
If you want to use newer nvidia cards yes. Newer nvidia gpu require newer cpu cuz of the insane driver overhead from the giga-thread software scheduler. Saw a post recently were a 5600x was bottlenecking a 5070 to
https://youtu.be/JLEIJhunaW8?si=iusV944U3haGKiCZ
Ratosson@reddit
5600x is a lot slower than 5800x3d and the driver overhead problem was 5 years ago and in the video you posted, they used 5600x as the fast cpu.
Tgrove88@reddit
Wrong on both accounts. The 5600x clocks to 4.6ghz and the 5800x3d clocks to 4.5ghz. It's the same chip but one has 2 extra cores and the vcache.
No the nvidia driver overhead has not been fixed because it's due to the single threaded first bread software scheduler
tootall3030@reddit
I have a 5800x3d and 2080ti till. Fully watercooled tho. I have no issues with it. Im actually upgrading to a 3080ti tonight.
v0rren@reddit
i’m rocking 5800x3D and a 4090 and i don’t plan or need to change anything for a long time
Latter_Clue2018@reddit
there was really no big difference if you move from 5700X to 5800X3D sa slight bump of performance and better 1% low. It'll be a big upgrade if you're currently at 3000 (or 4000 if you're in this CPU) series or below.
WinterKujira@reddit
exactly my thoughts. op could just get better gpu. I never felt my 5700x was lacking tbh.
Latter_Clue2018@reddit
if OP is adventurous, he can explore RAM OC which non-X3Ds can benefit at.
RoyalMood4218@reddit
I would also say tightening secondary and tertiary timings is just as beneficial for 1% lows as speed in my experience. The DDR4 OC bible on GitHub is a great resource for that.
GARGEAN@reddit
Have you played Stellaris? Victoria 3? Oxygen Not Included? Rimworld?
Yeah, there are PLENTY of games that can benefit heavily from performance difference between 5800X3D and 9800X3D.
SnooSquirrels9817@reddit
yep to all of them! prob gonna upgrade to 9800x3d too
flaspd@reddit (OP)
Even with a target fps of 120?
TychesSwan@reddit
I think they're pointing out the fact that the simulation speed is entirely on the cpu; you might be getting 120fps thanks to your gpu, but only 30 ticks per second in game. That said, those games are all single threaded, and I'm not sure how much difference there is between a 5800x3d and a 9800x3d.
GARGEAN@reddit
>That said, those games are all single threaded, and I'm not sure how much difference there is between a 5800x3d and a 9800x3d.
A lot, like, A LOT. 9800X3D has same L3 cache, but doubled L2, and much higher clocks with much better thermals (so better boost).
Miniteshi@reddit
If strictly gaming, then yes If money is a factor, then no If you're running at higher quality presets, the yes
Overall I've found that an x3D does a much better job of ha sling 1% lows more than anything when paired with a respectable card
I've not moved to 4K so CPU choice doesn't matter as much but the 5700x3D has just delivered on every game at every resolution I've asked. Personally for me, I don't really see any urgency to ditch and move to AM5 or even AM6 at this point.
If you're going to be gaming in the long run, do it once, skip an entire socket generation or two.
greggm2000@reddit
I'm guessing where you'll feel the urgency to go to AM5 (or Intel LGA1954) is when we start to get games that you, personally, want to play, that use the next-gen consoles as a base-level experience. Given that those consoles will be based on Zen 6 + RDNA5, if you have less than that, playing those games probably won't be a great experience.
AM7 will probably be somewhere around 2040. Who knows if AMD or Intel will even exist as independent companies in 14 years, lots can change between now and then.
Miniteshi@reddit
Maybe, maybe not. Personally looking at the uplift at 4K, I'd be better off simply grabbing a 5080 and calling it a day. I highly doubt that games in the future will suddenly become more CPU dependant all of a sudden.
Who knows though. It's kind of all up in the air to see what the future of gaming holds.
greggm2000@reddit
By that point it'll be the 6080 and whatever AMD will call their next-gen cards.
Games probably will, even discounting the kinds of games that are CPU focused, like Stellaris or Factorio.. game requirements do tend to creep up over time, after all (as does all software, really), and I do expect those console ports to be designed to use that level of hardware as much as they can. But yeah, I think it's going to be interesting to see how things evolve.
pythonic_dude@reddit
A lot of 4X and simulation games will rape it and 7700X will obliterate it in performance. Most modern RT/PT workloads get bottlenecked by memory performance with zen3 (slow ddr4+terrible memory controller of zen3, then again, 14900k beats even 9800x3d in PT heavy loads).
Depending on what you play, it might not be worth to upgrade from 5700X already. For some, 5800x3d is the most they'll need in a long while. For some, it became obsolete the moment 7600X dropped and got it beat in most use cases.
Ratosson@reddit
7600x got a slightly higher fps than 5800x3d, like a few percent higher, but I'd still say 5800x3d is the better cpu because of higher core count. Even if the game is only utilizing 6 cores, it's still better to have more if you have a web browser or discord open in the background or second monitor.
finisimo13@reddit
If the 5800x3d sells at 300 or 400 and you really want it despite the cost, your better off getting bundles from microcenter right now that have similar or better performance than the 5800x3d at the same price like the 7600x3d thats at 350 rn.
Think of the 7600x3d being a bit faster, having cooler temps and is more energy efficient than the 5800x3d. The only downside of the bundle it comes with 1x16gb ram but if that turns you off you can shell out more more for the 7800x3d bundle with a 2nd stick of ram for 600
junu-munu00@reddit
upgrading from a 5700x to a 5800x3d is honestly not worth it if your target is only 120 frames per second at 1440p
vinyakult@reddit
I’m on the same boat, I’d say the only thing you should look for, before upgrading to AM5 would be gpu, considering buying RAM is out of question today
Crowley120@reddit
Honestly I have a 4080 5800x3d and they run great together at 1440 p and 4K you will only see the 5800x3d limit you in very niche situations like if you are playing an incredibly cpu bound game like escape from tarkov or stalker 2 or with emulation in some cases but in 95% of games you wont see any issues or botteneck
Crowley120@reddit
I got off track but 5800x3d should give you better 1% lows than current cpu for sure and can pair with a powerful gpu if you upgrade that
Away-Discipline-1235@reddit
only you know the answer for your question. no one else can tell you what you need.
Desperate-Steak-6425@reddit
The 5800X3D can't reach 120fps in many situations, especially with RT. If you don't use RT and turn down CPU heavy settings to low, it'll be fine for the most part
Stunning-Oil-6391@reddit
It's not about a "need", it' s because 5800x3d is the few options you only have for upgrades in AM4 platform.
CocoPopsOnFire@reddit
of course there is, there will always better cpus and games that take advantage of them. depending on the game 9800x3d smokes the 5800x3d, especially in 1% lows
the real question is what games you play and whether you care about having the highest number possible. I ran a 5800x since launch until like 6 months ago and honestly i wouldve been fine using the 5800x for another 3 years easily imo
every pc upgrade you should ask yourself these quesions: do you value the money more than the jump in framerate? and can you play the game you want to play at an acceptable quality level?
if you answer yes to both, theres really not much point upgrading
Octaive@reddit
https://www.techspot.com/review/3043-battlefield-6-cpu-benchmark/
Don't listen to people who say the CPU doesn't matter. Ridiculous.
If you get a 9070XT, you will want to upgrade to a 5800X3D, but even then it will not be as good as the 9070XT can handle in many games. Upscaling also creates a very tough situation for CPUs. You're running max settings but also a lower internal resolution, which is tough for CPUs.
As you can see, a 5800X3D gets destroyed by a 9800X3D, so a base 5700X is in very bad shape for many newer titles with the settings cranked.
Salt_Reputation1869@reddit
I just got a bundle from Micro Center. I had the 5700x and moved to 9800x3d. The bundle came with an MSI motherboard, 64gb of ram, water cooler and a Montech case. It came to a little over $1K. I reused my drives and my GPU. I think I'm good for a few years.
disgruntledempanada@reddit
Yes but very small.
I only upgraded because I found a 5090 and it felt bad to bottleneck it (and I've been doing a lot of heavy cpu tasks when I'm not gaming so 16 cores is nice).
Didn't really bottleneck it that much, I'm actually mostly disappointed in the gaming uplift from 5800x3D to 9950X3D.
If I didn't sim race in VR there'd be no need to upgrade. 9950X3D comes into its own there, it can mostly keep up with the 5090 now.
Shotgun_Jake@reddit
My first build was a ryzen 7 5800x with a radeon rx 5600 xt. I managed to get it to hit 1440p@144fps. I later upgraded the gpu to a rx 6800 and that was a massive upgrade, from not being able to go above bare minimum settings I was able to go to medium high is most games.
PrettyQuick@reddit
I have 5800x3d with 7800xt and i'll probably do another gpu upgrade on this system before changing anything else.
Hungry_Reception_724@reddit
at 1440p no there isnt, you could run a 5080 with that CPU and be perfectly fine.
tronatula3@reddit
No, there isn't. The CPU does not matter much at Ultra 1440p+
jaorocha@reddit
are you sure?
nosmigon@reddit
It does on cpu intensive games. X3D really makes the difference on games such as dayz. It fixes the stuttering issues and 1% lows
tronatula3@reddit
No it does not
nosmigon@reddit
What do you mean no it does not? I recently upgraded a lesser x3d and it performs better than non x3d processors on dayz. Could you elaborate on "no it does not" ?
HyruleanKnight37@reddit
If you have a very high-end GPU, yes. Why would you want to limit the performance of your GPU with something that isn't fast enough to begin with? Then there's DDR4 vs DDR5, PCIe 4.0 vs PCIe 5.0, and so on.
Cockfield@reddit
I still run a 3800x and no lag
Darante2025@reddit
When you want more FPS and still have GPU headroom but the 5800x3d is holding it back.
oblivion2g@reddit
You're OK
HellDr1v3r888@reddit
It feels like you are already happy with the performance you are getting since you are happy with getting above 120fps. The 5800X3D will gain you a few more FPS but not that much since you are already at 1440p and putting the load on the GPU. The main thing will be your 1% lows. They will be higher and your games will run smoother.
Also you are thinking of upgrading in a year or 2. If you can last another year before upgrading that's what I would do. AM5 will have its last of the AM5 CPUs around the corner so you can get the best for that platform.
No-Actuator-6245@reddit
Are you unhappy with the performance of your 5700X? The time to upgrade is when you are unhappy with current performance. Everyone plays different games and has a different threshold for acceptable performance.
iamthestorm@reddit
If you play games with tons of mods, a better CPU is a drastic improvement.
sun_is_rising@reddit
If you play MMORPGs yes other than that no
CtrlAltDesolate@reddit
Realistically for 1440p in the majority of titles, no.
You'll get a handful % more fps and better 1% lows, but that's about it.
Flynny123@reddit
It is going to give you a 3-4% improvement, and even then only sometimes. Not worth it. Save until you’re ready for a platform upgrade.
If you haven’t undervolted the CPU and got it on nice cooling, consider this for a cheaper marginal performance improvement.
maniacalmayh3m@reddit
For the vast majority of games you are going to be GPU bottlenecked even at a 5700x at 1440p
enjoii89@reddit
For 1440P, you'll be GPU bound for the most part and there will be barely any difference between the CPUs but the 5800X3D will still likely see higher frame rates.
Careful-Nobody3193@reddit
Prolly no, unless you want the 9 5950x with the 16 cores for heavy work