Framework Laptop 13 Pro and highlights from the Framework [Next Gen]
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> Framework Laptop 13 Pro is a complete ground up redesign that brings a massive leap in battery life with Intel’s Core Ultra Series 3 Processors, a 74Wh battery, and LPCAMM2 memory, a new full CNC aluminum chassis, our first purpose-built power-optimized display with touch support, an excellent feeling haptics touchpad, an option for pre-loaded Ubuntu, and much more. In many ways, this product has been six years in the making. We’ve taken all of the feedback you’ve given us on the first seven generations of Framework Laptop 13 to make this the ultimate portable developer and power user machine. Battery life is what you’ve asked for most, and we’ve delivered on this. On Netflix 4k streaming for example, we’re getting over 20 hours of battery life, which is not only 12 hours longer than we got on the previous-generation Framework Laptop 13, but it’s actually slightly longer than a 14-inch MacBook Pro M5!
Between Europe's push towards open-source, better hardware support, and Valve's efforts, will 2026 be the actual year of the Linux Desktop©️ ?
purpleidea@reddit
Heads up that while they've been talking about great battery life, they're only advertising this fact on Windows, and haven't posted any actual numbers for Linux.
When they improve their support and hardware quality, I'm in.
SLY0001@reddit
Windows is a power hungry OS. I would assume Linux would get a lot more battery life compared to windows.
GameKing505@reddit
I love Linux but in my experience this has never been true on my hardware.
GameKing505@reddit
“4K Netflix” being their battery test was a dead giveaway… lol
Desertcow@reddit
Pretty realistic test for a lot of use cases. If you are browsing the internet watching videos as many people commonly do, that's the kind of battery life you can expect
GameKing505@reddit
I’m saying 4K Netflix was a dead giveaway they didn’t use Linux for the test. Because you can’t watch 4K Netflix on Linux.
nicman24@reddit
The bat life on Linux is better on current year
panick21@reddit
Because Linux isn't an operating system and you can not make broad claims about it. They would have to do it separately for Ubuntu and so on.
kill-the-maFIA@reddit
I think just doing it for Ubuntu would be fair - they do after all have Ubuntu as an install option from the factory. It's likely other distributions wouldn't be too far off (in either direction) anyway.
panick21@reddit
I agree, but I also think the important part is how big the battery this 'X hours' stuff is kind of nonsense anyway. So its not a big deal.
purpleidea@reddit
True, but pick one, pick any, whatever... Instead of only M$ Windoze.
FinnLiry@reddit
Or don't, and wait for user benchmarks for your environment.
quino916@reddit
I just bought a framework 13and still under 30 days return policy. And feel urge to return it.
yasbean@reddit
Why?
aquafinitie@reddit
to buy the 13 pro
yasbean@reddit
Aha! I understand.
GameKing505@reddit
Tbh probably a good idea. The new chassis looks seeet
quino916@reddit
Yeah, I send an email already
asdf_lord@reddit
Should probably return it. Trust your gut.
moanos@reddit
Looks interesting but I'm not buying from a company that supports facists (DHH specifically) and trys to argue for this with the community being under "a big umbrella"
jermygod@reddit
cool, but it cost like 50+% more than a comparable option
Desertcow@reddit
Compared to the MacBook Pro that it's imitating, it's fair. The MacBook Pro starts at $1699 and isn't upgradable, the Framework 13 Pro starts at $1499 and is
WanderingInAVan@reddit
That's what happens when you don't have bloatware subsidizing the cost. System 76 has similar price issues.
pchew@reddit
At least Framework actually has novel manufacturing and firmware for their premium price (whether said novel manufacturing is worth it is beside the point). System76 being rebranded Clevo devices with zero in-house support and constantly deferring to Clevo for any and all hardware/firmware issues is a slap in the face after paying the premium.
habarnam@reddit
That, and probably having higher manufacturer prices due to not being a huge retailer with huge production batches. Not to mention the current hardware prices in general...
WanderingInAVan@reddit
True. Basic economics of scale and supply and demand.
That being said it was like this before ram and nvme storage skyrocketed. Just scaled down along those lines.
jermygod@reddit
that's cope... cos mini-pc exists, and they can cost half the price of just the mainboard of framework products, and they come with the case and power adapter.
WanderingInAVan@reddit
They also usually use large scale manufacturer edition or standard parts.
Except for the Desktop, the laptop main boards are all custom hardware that has to be specifically manufactured to Frameworks specs. It has to be so they can deliver on their sustainability and upgradability goals.
And most laptops use custom hardware as it is for layout and air flow. Regular commercial laptops usually subsidize all of this with that bloat ware you uninstall as soon as you can.
jermygod@reddit
"They also usually use large scale manufacturer edition or standard parts"
... framework is made by Compal Electronics - second largest notebook manufacturer, on the same factory's as any other brand.
mini-PCs also use "custom boards", dude....
and they come with no bloat(and often with no OS at all),
and not all of them are larger scale than framework,
and the mainboard of a framework have the same level of upgradability as mini-PSs do (so... just the memory),
literally the only difference is that the framework mainboards is compatible with framework laptop chassis. but they still cost from 30% to 100% more for the board itself.
there is literally nothing that can justify double the price for the same components.
framework it's just a premium brand, and denying that is cope.
elmagio@reddit
The 13 Pro looks genuinely stellar in every way. Everything I could want out of a Framework chassis on paper, will have to see if it holds up in independent reviews.
CaptainStack@reddit
I know it's probably asking too much, but I continue to want a moddable Framework laptop in a 13-14" chassis with a discrete GPU or otherwise "gaming class" specs.
spaceman_@reddit
It looks like good choices and good hardware, but it's very expensive once kitted out. With the mid range CPU, 64GB of memory and 2TB of storage, you're over 3000 euros. For that money your competing with AMD Strix Halo and M5 Pro laptops.
Zamundaaa@reddit
It's really important to mention that 950€ of that is just the RAM. Fucking LLM companies...
spaceman_@reddit
Yeah, but at 3500 euros you're buying 128GB Strix Halo which also includes the RAM.
Icy_Coffee374@reddit
Most of the problem is the current AI bubble making computer parts so expensive. The beauty with Framework (and how all computers used to be), is you can get the minimum that works for you now, and then later on upgrade. Whatever you get on a MacBook Pro is what you have forever.
Also, if you happen to have a usable SSD already, then you're golden. I have a 4TB one I bought a few years ago, and I'm considering going for this.
Maleficent_Celery_55@reddit
Framework was always expensive and will always be expensive except maybe their desktop. Not hating on them, but they're expensive.
Ashged@reddit
Eh, I think some of that is just scale, not inherent to their product. In fact their product might even scale better.
But at their manufacturing volume, with little preexisting basis to build on, they are just way more inefficient than larger and/or less unorthodox companies. Both in manufacturing directly, also in distributing products and aquiring parts.
This is an unsolvable issue that can only be fixed if they become more mainstream. It's already a huge success that they could even start to work with lpcamm at this point.
GildSkiss@reddit
Yeah, some people obviously did not look into buying a framework before the bubble, because it's been quite pricey since the beginning.
There's no such thing as a free lunch. All of the nice features of the Frameworks cost something to implement.
Top-Rub-4670@reddit
Okay but without an SSD the framework with 64G of memory and midrange is still 2750 euros.
untrained9823@reddit
Just bought a used Thinkpad T14 on EBay for 300 Euros. This machine, though nice, would cost 10 times as much. Doesn't seem worth it.
FinnLiry@reddit
And one can run AAA games the other doesn't. Different use cases.
habarnam@reddit
But you see, apples don't taste anything like oranges...
WanderingInAVan@reddit
Will probably buy the chassis upgrades and then pick and choose main boards. Been curious about the Riscv board for a while and the Arm board might be interesting to play with.
Have been thinking of just buying the stuff as bits and pieces for a bit anyway.
KnowZeroX@reddit
Nice they adopted LPCAMM, but only 64gb ram?
They also didn't use this opportunity to push the stuff they did to the 16 for the 13 where you can customize the front which is a bit sad.
BinkReddit@reddit
arades@reddit
The chip supports 96GB, and you can bring your own (if you can find it). I think it's genuinely a sourcing/pricing issue, the first 96GB modules were only announced February, and there's no way Framework got to the front of the line.
aliendude5300@reddit
Wins on every spec except price. Components are nuts right now. I'll wait for them to drop.
mtlnwood@reddit
They finally have started to ship to my country in the last month and I have been using my t480 since '19.
The t480 still does all I want it to and with near 100wh between internal and plugin battery its been good for battery.
This is really tempting but the price does go up quickly, just because of the ram and ssd. The base price of the unit itself seems ok to me - for a laptop I expect to last as long as my thinkpad.
I have always wanted the best cpu in the past but when I really ask myself what do I need, and put aside the FOMO with getting a lesser cpu I think I am quite happy with the base cpu. I suppose thats the good thing about being on something for a long time, even the base model when you upgrade is twice as fast.
ImJustPassinBy@reddit
Might not be the most relevant for existing linux users, but still nice for growing the linux community: There now is an option to have Ubuntu preinstalled.