Report finds Gaza needs more than $71bn in next decade for recovery
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elihu@reddit
The money is a major obstacle, but a bigger one is that the current government of Israel is not voluntarily going to allow Palestinians to import construction materials. Probably not even fuel or electricity beyond less than the bare minimum to run essential services.
Valokoura@reddit
Fuel + pipes = simple rockets.
I kind of understand why.
t0FF@reddit
wood = spear.
Rock = deadly projectile.
Food = kids growing into terrorists.
/s
Valokoura@reddit
Nice try.
I searched few years back how Gaza was able to shoot numerous rockets towards Israel. Well... those rockets are kind of low tech. Far from military grade.
Still... If you launch huge amount of those it will make a mess.
People need pipes for air conditioning, sewers and water. But what if building materials are converted to weapons? Not cool.
t0FF@reddit
That's kind of the point: you can convert just about everything to a weapon.
It's not like we have to pretend the goal is something else than to make life in Gaza impossible, Israel doesn't care to hide that it destroy infrastructures and buildings on purpose...
meister2983@reddit
Haven't they stated they would if Hamas fulfills its obligation of total surrender to the foreign dictatorship?
EconomistStreet5295@reddit
As per my understanding Israel and US are turning gaze into a real estate development in any case. Most likely huge corporate funding and cheap labour using the palestinians to develop land that will be stolen from them by large investment groups.
I think the consequences for the Palestinians will be devastating, first their entire territory was turned into rubble, now they face losing their homeland, a two state solution seems unlikely given how Israel and the US are operating.
HDK1989@reddit
The only fair and moral solution now is the immediate and complete dismantling of the state of Israel.
RaiJolt2@reddit
Basically you’re calling for more war. Israel would not be dismantled without one realistically.
blown-transmission@reddit
Apartheid south africa.
RaiJolt2@reddit
South Africa still exists, the system of apartheid was dismantled, not the state. There’s still mass inequality from the apartheid
gothlenin@reddit
Semantics. When the state changes fundamentally, is it the same state?
kolitics@reddit
The state of theseus
gothlenin@reddit
Hahaha, exactly!
Dark1000@reddit
A two state solution, at least as was envisioned years ago, seems impossible now. I don't see much hope for anything other than the status quo.
tubawhatever@reddit
It was never possible. The Israelis would have never kept their word if there was an agreement reached
DancesWithAnyone@reddit
Sub wont let me post links, but image search 'West Bank settlements BBC'. The Palestinian territory is completely butchered up in smaller chunks, with Israeli settlements in between. It's just not them gradually taking border areas.
It'll be imossible to run an effective state like that, I'm afraid, and I'm not seeing it likely that any Israeli leader will remove all those settlers.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
The Western world will drop 70 billion on weapons without a second thought. Never will they spend 70 billion on recovery or development.
If they do offer financial assistance, it'll be through predatory IMF loans with privatization requirements, as per standard operations in the global South.
kolitics@reddit
Why would the west pay for the predictable outcome of Hamas massacring hundreds of civilians and then hiding in tunnels under Gaza?
imunfair@reddit
The west doesn't owe it, Israel does. Of course they'd never pay it, unless the US paid it on their behalf as we so often do when they get themselves in trouble. But we'd probably pay it to Israeli construction companies, not Palestinian ones - I fully expect them to profit off reconstructing what they broke.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Israel is an extension and a creation of the Western world.
Valokoura@reddit
I think the Bible and isreaeli people evolved without Roman or Greek guidance. If you refer to western world of that age.
Israel is creation of jews. Country has similarities to western countries but some very distinct differences too.
valentc@reddit
Israel is a modern nation, not a biblical one. Isreal doesn't represent the jewish faith no matter how often Israel conflates the two.
Valokoura@reddit
I agree. I just said that it is the bible that affects western world. Not the other way around.
Current Israel and people who live here are... weird beast. Original inhabitants did run away from xenocide and opression. Now they are using same tools to their neighbours.
Not cool.
r0w33@reddit
Europe is the main funder of Gaza. What do we get for it again?
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Europe is the second main protector of Israeli genocide on the international stage.
No perceived donations will ever make up for that.
Valokoura@reddit
Just wondering... how is inaction of Europe seen as siding with Israel but inaction from Russia, China, Africa, South America, and Indonesia not seen as siding with Israel?
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
You should probably go and check UN votes amd motions if you believe that
r0w33@reddit
Words have meanings.
RoostasTowel@reddit
I wonder if the oil rich gulf states will chip in and help their regional brothers and sisters?
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
The gulf states betrayed Palestine decades ago Now they are just vessels for Western interests
TommyTwoNips@reddit
Cue Israel turning out it's empty pockets and shrugging.
Good luck getting the parasite colony to pay for anything when they can just force some American schmucks to foot the bill so they can immediately go back to doing what they do best: indiscriminate violence against their neighbors.
Remember, Americans, Israelis get universal healthcare and subsidized university paid for with your taxes, meanwhile your leaders tell you it's "too expensive".
protomenace@reddit
American aid to Israel was not enough to pay for either of those programs, nonetheless both.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
cool story bro.
If Israel can afford to pay for those things, why are they leeching off the American people who are told those things are too expensive?
Maybe it's time to cur off all aid to the ~~genocidal pedophile shelter~~ nation of Israel.
protomenace@reddit
Also if you care about pedophile shelters you would be more concerned with Iran, the country in which almost 20% of all girls get married under the age of 18.
valentc@reddit
Isreal is a known safe haven for pedophiles fleeing justice.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
protomenace@reddit
So there's a dozen pedophiles in Israel and millions in Iran and you think that makes Israel look bad?
valentc@reddit
Only a dozen, huh? You didn't read the article. Jewish Watch Community has found 60 since 2020, and its probably way more they just dont have the resources to track them.
Karow wasnt arrested until 2023, this article is from 2020, and hes an example, not the main focus.
Idk why you're defending pedophiles fleeing other countries to Israel to escape prosecution of heinous crimes agaisnt children.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
so you're a holocaust denier AND a pedophile apologist?
go figure.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-operate-in-israel-every-year-637393
looks like it's a bit more than a dozen.
Israel shill 🧠
TommyTwoNips@reddit
My tax dollars aren't being siphoned off to pay for Iranian pedophiles healthcare and baby-killing campaigns. Same can't be said for the Israeli pedophiles, who enjoy significant benefits at the American taxpayers expense.
but it's cool Israel still has money for bot networks to rush to the defense every time someone mentions the ethno-state.
faceless_masses@reddit
I doubt you even pay US taxes but even if you do your actual contribution to this amounts to a thin dime. Do you really want your dime back? Can't spare a single dime for the Jews?
BroMan001@reddit
Alright, cut all funding to both the Iranian and israeli regime, then you’ll both be happy right?
WestcoastAlex@reddit
20% of girls in israel have been sexually assaulted
https://1202.org.il/en/information-and-data/data/general/
protomenace@reddit
Maybe because the two things have literally nothing to do with each other and linking them in the discussion is completely spurious.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
if they dont spend it on one that leaves them money for the other
protomenace@reddit
If I give you a penny am I paying your rent?
WestcoastAlex@reddit
one pennys worth. yes
protomenace@reddit
Donald Trump logic where tarrifs can pay for tax cuts, rebate checks, and paying down the debt all at once.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
It's crazy, almost like money is fungible.
If Israel has money to pay for universal healthcare, they don't need to be leeching off the country that apparently can't.
protomenace@reddit
See numbers above. Fungibility of money doesn't change the calculation here. It's not. enough. money.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
And how much does it cost for them to bomb kindergartens and hospitals?
If they can afford to do both, why do they need to constantly petition for more aid dollars while calling everyone who doesn't want to pay up anti-semitic?
Why build a network of unregistered foreign agents masquerading as NGOs to bribe politicians to secure those funds?
protomenace@reddit
Why is your entire comment full of weird strawman arguments and red herrings? Can't we just have a normal discussion?
TommyTwoNips@reddit
it's a strawman to question why Israel continues to demand funds from other nations while committing a genocide?
You hasbara bots are beyond contempt, why would I have a normal conversation with a person that is comfortable defending a genocide?
protomenace@reddit
No. These are strawman arguments:
Nobody is "calling everyone who doesn't want to pay up antisemitic.
They didn't?
TommyTwoNips@reddit
Why should anyone be obligated engage an ethno-state shill in good faith?
protomenace@reddit
Thank you for admitting that you aren't debating in good faith.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
I'm not debating you at all, you're a genocide denying ethnostate shill.
But I'll tell you what, I'll debate you in good faith if you simply acknowledge the fact that Israel is committing a genocide in Palestine.
protomenace@reddit
"Submit to my ideological purity test or I won't debate in good faith". Lol sure.
Social media has poisoned the minds of a whole generation if this is what now passes for reasonable discourse.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
fellas, is it an "ideological purity test" to acknowledge a genocide?
MCB1317@reddit
You gave it your best shot, but you're trying to have a discussion with someone who does nothing except spout buzzwords and non sequitur talking points.
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
No one is leeching off of American taxpayers. That is a huge myth and propaganda.
Military aid is generally in the form of a line of credit or money they can only use to buy US weapons. There is is also an understanding or formal agreement to usually also use the US dollar and buy bonds outside of the weapon sales.
We are not giving them free anything.
imunfair@reddit
Giving them "aid" that results in free weapons is literally the definition of free. To the tune of $26 billion in 2024.
agentchuck@reddit
My man, universal healthcare is actually just cheaper than the for profit model the United States currently implements. The US model is the most expensive care per capita. Yes, taxes would go up to pay for it but they would go up less than what people are currently paying.
"We can't afford it" is a smokescreen promulgated by corporations making hundreds of billions in profit every year off of Americans to give them worse health outcomes and medical bankruptcy.
protomenace@reddit
My dude - what does this comment have to do with my comment at all? I support universal healthcare in the US. Doesn't change what we're actually discussing here.
agentchuck@reddit
Fair. I misinterpreted what you had written as "the US cannot afford X and Y because it is sending money away." But you rather meant "the money we're sending away isn't enough to fund X and Y in Israel."
protomenace@reddit
Exactly.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
I understand this.
I also know that the same politicians telling us it is too expensive are the same one funneling billions of dollars to the ethno-state so they can keep blowing up daycares and hospitals on our dime.
Kelak1@reddit
3.8 billion a year (6.8 billion in 2024) to a country that is so economically independent that it can support Universal Healthcare, free university education, and a monthly child allowance. I think they can take on the military spending
In addition, you are conveniently leaving out the amount of military assets spent on defending Israel during these last 3 years of incessant and rampant assaults on their neighbors. During the 12 day war in June 2025, the United States spent $1.17 billion in THAAD interceptors alone.
Tsofuable@reddit
It's usually the EU that pays for the Palestinian stuff. Luckily we don't mind our investments getting used as target practice.
PolyUre@reddit
Usually the EU also doesn't mind its investment being used as makeshift weapons againts Israel.
_-icy-_@reddit
Actually they do. What the EU doesn’t mind though is directly funding and sending weapons and military support to aid genocide as long as the victims are Muslim.
PolyUre@reddit
EU is still the main financier of PA's Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund.
Hamas itself boasted that it would use water pipes, which the EU has provided over 50 km, for rockets.
_-icy-_@reddit
Woah, they fund the children and widows of Palestinians slaughtered by Israel? Oh golly me, how horrible, that’s almost the exact same as directly arming and funding a genocide.
PolyUre@reddit
If you truly and honestly believe that the Martyrs Fund is for that, and only for that, then we are in a fundamental disagreement, and there's not much to discuss about.
_-icy-_@reddit
It is for that though. I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up like it’s a smoking gun. It’s clear you’re just blatantly spreading BS. You are not someone who should be taken seriously.
RepulsiveMeatSlab@reddit
It's being paid to the families of suicide bombers dude
_-icy-_@reddit
There haven’t been any of those in over 20 years, but even when there were that made up less than 1% of the budget.
HopingillWin@reddit
So true, they suicided themselves by being in the blast radius of those 2000lb munitions Israel dropped on tents. /S
BroMan001@reddit
How can I pay for them to get more water pipes?
fartingbeagle@reddit
And the Gulf states as, to a degree.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
I wonder where this trope came from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_parasite
Oh, there we go
Stubbs94@reddit
Okay, how about "genocidal apartheid state"? That's not a hidden dogwhistle. That's just a fact.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
In saying that, are you arguing that the entire country - both the state & its people/society - are fundamentally "genocidal" and/or "enforce apartheid" simply by existing?
Or, are you arguing that the current Israeli government is doing these things, but not ascribing them to the existence of Israel as a country / saying they are an inherent trait of the Israeli population?
The former is bigotry; the latter is not bigotry.
Stubbs94@reddit
The state of Israel exists and continues to exist only through the ethnic cleansing and subjugation of the Palestinians. It has never, in its entire history stopped brutalising the people it is trying to replace with the group they deem superior. Zionism is a Supremacist, violent ideology.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
Right, so its safe to say that you define the entire concept of the state and the entire concept of Israeli peoplehood/nationhood as fundamentally evil. That is the latter option; that is bigotry.
BroMan001@reddit
If that state was literally created with the idea of colonising Palestine as its goal, then yes, that state is inherently evil. The people raised in this state are not inherently evil, it’s just frighteningly common for them to be.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
Yeah don't worry, I understand, you also fall into the latter bucket.
ShowBoobsPls@reddit
Why would anti-semites not use language that is anti-Semitic in a sub that has a lot of anti-semites in exile from other subs?
Stubbs94@reddit
It's not anti semitic to oppose a Jewish supremacist state.
ShowBoobsPls@reddit
No, but anti-semites hate Israel and it's so damn easy to oppose them without resorting to anti-semitic tropes, which this sub seems to have issues with.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
They totally would and they totally do, not surprised by that at all, I just decided to point it out this time
Mr1ntexxx@reddit
No one falls for this anymore.
protomenace@reddit
Just because it's open and accepted now doesn't make it less true.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Fine fine, Israel is a hired thug, not a parasite.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
Unironically would be way more comfortable with that comparison than a parasite comparison, and that comparison would catch way fewer accusations of bigotry.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
no you wouldn't. You'd be complaining about some other made up grievance because you're shill whose only objective is to derail any criticism of Israel with accusations of anti-semitism.
Israel's relationship with the US is categorically parasitic. It's not because they're Jewish, in fact Israel actively jeopardizes the safety of Jewish people worldwide with the ongoing genocide and terror campaigns that Israelis constantly place at the feet of Jewish people worldwide.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
Yes, I would. Don't know what else to tell you, if you just won't believe me anyway regardless.
I view criticism of a country that draws heavily on language that also appears in bigotry about the majority of that country's population to be - shockingly - also bigotry.
It is a specific choice to criticize Israel by calling it "parasitic" instead of using language like "dependent".
Jordan and Egypt are heavily dependent on US financial and military aid, just like Israel. They are rarely, if ever, described as "parasitic".
Imagine criticizing Chinese policy by drawing on "Yellow Peril" tropes, calling Chinese influence abroad an "infection" and China itself a "spreader of disease". That would be racist dude, because there are multiple other ways to criticize Chinese influence abroad without resorting to eugenicist tropes about Chinese people.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
If China was actively using biological weapons against India, would you say that it's racist to imply they're wrong for doing so?
Jordan and Egypt aren't using US aid dollars to finance a genocide while destabilizing the entire world economy in a war of aggression using US aid dollars, Israel is.
Jews aren't parasites, Israel is.
Jews aren't doing a genocide, Israel is.
Jews aren't responsible for all the dead children murdered to establish an ethno-state, Israel is.
Stop conflating Judaism with Israel. It's anti-Semitic and it actively makes the world less safe for Jewish people.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
Of course not - I would say that China was wrong for doing that. I would stop there. I wouldn't say that China or Chinese people are "nation of plague carriers" or something like that.
Very cool, how does that make Jordan and Egypt "non-parasitic"?
Criticizing Israel by using language that comes directly from bigoted tropes about Jews is both antisemitic and conflating Jews with Israel, dude.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
Your anti-Semitism is showing.
Stop blaming Jews for Israel's genocide. Do better.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
What are your thoughts on Jizya tax? Should it not have been applied to Jews?
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
Can’t believe I have to say this, but it shouldn’t have been applied to anyone, because it is a form of legal & financial discrimination
CwazyCanuck@reddit
So in your opinion, people shouldn’t have to pay tax, but should still benefit from what those taxes pay for? Sounds parasitic.
I mean, why should Muslims have to pay a different tax, usually more, that would also cover the upkeep of mosques and stuff, but non Muslims shouldn’t even have to pay a basic tax to cover communal infrastructure that Muslims were paying tax for?
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
In my opinion, people shouldn't have to pay taxes based on the religion they practice.
Do you actually find this controversial?
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
I see this "American tax payers pay for Israeli X" everywhere, but where the proof is?
Israel got a universal Healthcare system not because of foreign subsidies, but because of policies and laws. I recommend reading about it (or the British NHS, which is similar, but arguably worse). The healthcare is not free, there is a progressive health tax on every paycheck and each citizen pay monthly for health coverage (but a small sum).
For higher education, the government subsidy is 20%~ percent of public institutions' tuition, which is around 1000$ USD per year of subsidy (source here) . Most academic institutions are public with a limit on tuitions, a policy, again.
Don't deflect poor American policies onto Israel, self-reflect on your own disfunctional institutions.
Upper-Rub@reddit
Israel exists as a nation because of Americas repeated and aggressive international lobbying campaign to protect it from the consequences of its own actions. If Israel had the pariah status it has worked so hard to earn it wouldn’t have any of that.
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
Israel existed before the US decided to support Israel. Israel exists now because of Israel, no outside influence is going to change that, as infuriating as it might sound
imunfair@reddit
Ironically it exists because of an antisemitic brit who didn't think the jews were a good fit for England and was looking for somewhere to ship them off to after WW1.
I'm not sure if he stuck them in the middle of the ottoman empire in hopes they'd be killed by the natives, or was just playing off the silly "jewish homeland" trope, but his ignorance ended up being the start of a century of strife in the middle east.
zlex@reddit
The school system in the USA must be truly terrible.
Two originally separate trajectories, British imperial expansion and Jewish nationalist movement, converged at World War I for reasons on both sides that were largely independent of each other.
The Balfour Declaration served British wartime purposes: securing Jewish diaspora support for the war effort at a moment when American and Russian Jewish communities could affect both countries' involvement, and denying Germany the same political move.
During the Arab Revolt (1936–39), Britain armed and trained Jewish auxiliary forces, established the Jewish Settlement Police, and allowed the Haganah to develop into a proto-military organization under British supervision. Britain needed the Yishuv's organized capacity to suppress the revolt.
The 1939 White Paper, issued immediately after the Revolt was crushed, capped Jewish immigration at 75,000 over five years and then ended it entirely without Arab consent, proposed a unitary Palestinian state with an Arab majority within ten years, and severely restricted Jewish land purchases. This was explicitly a response to Arab pressure and strategic calculations about the coming war, Britain needed Arab stability across the Middle East and could not afford another revolt. The Yishuv's military utility had been extracted. The political cost of honoring the Balfour commitment now exceeded its benefit.
The White Paper's immigration restrictions ran from 1939 through the war years, when European Jews were being systematically murdered. Britain intercepted refugee ships, and enforced the blockade with naval vessels. The Mandate administration knew what was happening in Europe. The calculation was explicitly that Arab strategic value in the war theater outweighed the lives of Jewish refugees. After the war, Britain continued the blockade and detained survivors of the Holocaust in Cyprus internment camps rather than allow entry to Palestine, which is what produced the Irgun and Stern Gang escalation and eventually the 1947 UN referral.
It was British imperial interests that exploited both populations instrumentally.
froz3nt@reddit
Think US and some european countries started supporting israel shortly after WW2 ended. And this support has helped israel become what it is today. The amount of money and other resources those countries have given enabled israel to terorize neighbours.
protomenace@reddit
Israel exists because the dozens of attempts people have made to make it stop existing by force have failed.
PartySr@reddit
Not suffering from your own consequences is not enough? You attacked Iran, and everyone had spent tens of billions to defend your genocidal country. You wouldn't have had the funds to fund everything.
Your country leveled Gaza because the western countries provided you with funds and weapons.
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
War has consequences and Israel suffered the consequences of war, always has. Israel's memorial day just ended a few hours ago, with 25,644 fallen service members and civilian dead during its existence. The point is not not to look for sympathy, clearly this not a sub that would touch Israel with a stick, and I don't blame you, but the argument of no consequences is just wrong, in the past and in the present
TommyTwoNips@reddit
25,644 dead in your country's ongoing effort to ethnically cleanse the region to secure your ethno-state.
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
An ethnostate were people of the other ethnicities can elect and be elected to government? Study in universities? Be doctors and police officers? What kind of a failed ethnostate is that? There is still over 20% non Jewish population in Israel.
Is it the perfect democracy? No, long way to go for that (even internally in the Jewish population) . But it is still way more farther away from being an ethnostate
TommyTwoNips@reddit
It's an ethno-state that allows children to be executed by military courts provided they committed the grave sin of not being born to your self appointed master race.
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
I hope I won't find myself living and existing is such deep and blind hatred like yourself, your words have no connection to reality. No child is getting executed because they are not Jewish.
I understand you are referring to the "New" law letting the military court give the death penalty, and only to Palestinians can we executed that way. This law is a farce, just Ben Gvir's way to earn some votes with his base. Military court already had the authority to hand down a death penalty, and had that authority since the creation of the state (you can find it easily on google). But it is not used, even for convicted terrorists.
This law iscbeing challenged in the Supreme Court these days. Time will tell how this will end.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
It's not blind hatred to hate the country doing a genocide.
It might feel that way, to you, as the beneficiary of that genocide, but the world doesn't hate Israel for being Jewish, they hate Israel because you keep blowing up schools and then screaming and calling everyone racist for labeling that evil.
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
You want to criticize Israel actions and call it a genocidal state, that's fine, but at least use arguments that are somewhat grounded and supported in reality and not blatant disinformation, you are diminishing your own point. Same can be said for the other side with the braindead propaganda of "40 decapitated babies"
Also, I don't see how I am, personally, is a beneficiary of genocide, but maybe you know better than me about my own existence
TommyTwoNips@reddit
did the Knesset not recently pass a law allowing Palestinians to be executed by military courts?
You can claim that the supreme court will strike it down, but that doesn't change the fact that a majority of your representatives voted to affirm the sentiment that it's perfectly acceptable for the state to systematically murder Palestinian prisoners.
You are a beneficiary of genocide because you live in a country that was built by terrorists ethnically cleansing their neighbors to establish an ethno-state. It's not a character judgement, it's a factual statement. Just like every American and Canadian whose family wasn't either there first, or brought there in shackles, is a beneficiary of genocide. Again, not a character judgement, but a statement of fact. How you work to square that fact is within your control, but consistently electing genocidal monsters to your national assembly probably isn't the best choice.
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
About the law, I already addressed the death penalty in Israel two replies up the thread, it always was legal to hand down the death penalty. This law as it seems internally, serves as an election stunt of Ben Gvir (We have elections this year). Also, are you against any kind of death penalty anywhere for any reason? Just to understand the "murder" sentiment here.
And by the way, I never voted for any party that is currently in control, Bibi, Ben Gvir, Smotrich or any other disastrous clown in that coalition. Blowing my mind that people actually vote for them, and keep doing so, even after all that happened in this last government.
froz3nt@reddit
Can they also stop being killed by israelis? That would be nice.
PartySr@reddit
Hardly relevant. The fact is that other countries have transferred billions to Israel to level Gaza and Lebanon, and to attack Iran. At the same time, other countries used billions to defend Israel from the incoming attacks.
Without the help of the other countries, Israel would have been plummeted to the ground in the recent war, but instead, UAE took the most hits. They spent billions to defend your country, and also have lost billions because parts of their infrastructure was destroyed.
Israel won't help them to rebuild whatever they lost. And so, Israel has the luxury to fund war after war, and offer these benefits to their citizens.
Disastrous-Farm-4148@reddit
I do see how other's countries decision to do arms deals with Israel or directly support Israel is related to Israel's ability to suffer consequences of its actions. Israel was and will be hit, a fact of life in current times unfortunately, and other nations' decisions are their own, they have their reasons.
The UAE and the rest of the gulf were attacked because of the US involvement, not Israel's, if the US had stayed out like most of the 12 days war of last year, the UAE would have been fine, point this criticism to Trump and his unhinged decision making
bimbosoupqueen@reddit
To your last point, Americans can and do criticize our government for giving so much money to Israel. But people who support your country spend so much money on American politicians that we can’t get our elected officials to cut Israel off. The money we give is more insidious than just direct military aid as well. Many states, such as my own, have passed anti-BDS legislation that puts sanctions on American businesses who boycott Israeli companies. Israel and its supporters have directly contributed and advocated for the system that reroutes American taxpayer dollars away from programs that would benefit Americans.
TommyTwoNips@reddit
buddy, Money is fungible.
If you have $100 to pay for healthcare and ethnic cleansing, but they both cost $60, you have to make a choice.
If I then give you $40, suddenly you don't have to choose between the two.
Sure you can lie and say I'm not paying for your healthcare, because it costs $60 and I only gave you $40, but the outcome is that you now have healthcare AND the funds to do a genocide.
Scoobydewdoo@reddit
What's funny is that 'parasite colony' is an apt way to describe Gaza's relationship to Israel. People conveniently forgot that Israel provided electricity and supplies to Gaza for decades and they mostly just got terrorism in return.
Maybe now people will finally realize that Iran/Hamas is/was (hopefully but unlikely) the true enemy of the Palestinian people not Israel. Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinians outside of recruiting, PR oppurtunities and using them as human shields.
And South Koreans get to not be invaded by North Korea, Western Europe gets to rely on US military protection through NATO, and Taiwan gets to remain mostly independent from mainland China because of my tax dollars, what's your point? If I can't get universal healthcare and subsidized university at least someone is.
BroMan001@reddit
How is Gaza a colony?
Possible_Top4855@reddit
Ah yes, provide electricity in Gaza, while forcibly removing Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank to make space for Israeli settlers. Palestinians should be so grateful to Israel.
Stubbs94@reddit
Yeah, the people ethnically cleansing the Palestinians are their real friends...
froz3nt@reddit
And your tax dollars are being propped up by all those countries that you mentioned via being the de facto global currency, allowing you to borrow immensely.
The world order as is now was made by america for america. You made your bed now sleep in it. You carved the world to your liking after WW2 as all other nations were destroyed or later defeated. Your problem your system sucks.
elihu@reddit
You mean the electricity that the Palestinian Authority pays for and aid/supplies provided by UNRWA and other aid groups?
TommyTwoNips@reddit
The enemy of the Palestinian people is the ethno-state ethnically cleansing them to build illegal settlements over the ruins of their villages.
The enemy of the Palestinian people is the country doing a holocaust to them.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
The Holocaust resulted in 6 million more Jews????
sivvon@reddit
Yes, and just like prisoners must get 3 meals a day. Seriously the dumbest argument I've read in a hot minute.
To make matters even more pathetic, your central claim is not true. 🙄
Best_Change4155@reddit
Legitimately, how much do you think $4 billion is lmao
AlbertoRossonero@reddit
Oh they’ll pay but to rebuild it for its own citizens.
JConRed@reddit
Isn't that the intent anyway?
And South Lebanon next
Rauk88@reddit
Need to take over the government of Israel and rid the Zionists from the earth after they are given fair and speedy trials. Then make them pay for everything along with restitutions to every survivor that they have harmed.
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