Have immigrants from your countries ever been used as scapegoats in Western Europe?

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Antique_Birthday6380@reddit (OP)

You’re Albanian, my friend?

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Antique_Birthday6380@reddit (OP)

Because the title basically says this:

Have immigrants from your countries ever been used as scapegoats in Western Europe?

Someone who lives in a random neighborhood of Belgrade talking about Albanian immigrants in the UK, based only on reading a few articles from some far-right tabloids, doesn’t really make sense.

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HumanMan00@reddit

You assume too much when profiling me. That's not very nice.
There's been a steady stream of UK news that talk about the subject. Do I assume they tell the whole story? Of course not but that's why I comment.

I dont mean harm to Albanians with this so you can chill with trying to enforce who can comment and who cant.

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Antique_Birthday6380@reddit (OP)

If I were in your place, I would talk about Serbian immigrants and not Albanian ones as i would have live in Serbia, and among Serbians. Anyway, it’s your job, you’re free to speak. Sorry if i may have generalized you.

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HumanMan00@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/9ti34uVIcd

See? But you had to be a smartass about it.

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Antique_Birthday6380@reddit (OP)

Ehh, you didn’t give the answer you were supposed to give me yesterday, but you waited until today to send me this and make fun of my comment? Are you serious?

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HumanMan00@reddit

I gave you the answer i belived in - this is just additional proof you were being the PC police for no reason.

Im not making fun - im making a point.

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Antique_Birthday6380@reddit (OP)

Answer?

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Light0fDesire@reddit

welcome to Turkish-Romanian-Greek title

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BeeUnfair4086@reddit

Germany.

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Substratas@reddit

What about it?

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BeeUnfair4086@reddit

Their banks were about to go bust, and they blamed the Greeks for it. It was us being lazy and having no sense of the value of money. They pushed us into slavery shortly after and the country has not recovered since then. In the European Union, we rank last. I got harassed in Germany multiple times when i was younger for wearing a blue tshirt with white stripes.

Meanwhile, Greeks are amongst those in the EU who work the most hours / month. It's a dystopia that played out.

The funny thing is, it came back to them and now the gov wants to impose similar austerity/slavery rules on them. It's always the same. First they beta test it on other countries just to bring it home.

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JarJarBingChilling@reddit

This “slavery” hyperbolic does nothing except make people disregard the point you’re making until you provide tangible examples.

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NoSync22@reddit

This. When I read something like that it’s really hard to take the matter seriously, whether or not there’s some truth to it.

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BeeUnfair4086@reddit

Greeks work 2 jobs and according to our own state media and Eurostat, the average greek has no money to put food on the table after the second week with two god damn jobs, but i am pretty sure you guys need to see a whip hitting a person before identifying it as slavery. And god forbid you can rest on sunday for 4 hours.

Similar to Gaza, it's not a genocide, until every single gazan on earth is dead. If even one is still alive, you wouldn't label it as a genocide.

I seriously do not know what to tell you guys. You say everything is correct but the "hyperbole" (Which it really is not if you lived in Greece) turned you off? Was it really the hyperbole, or is this just some excuse?

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hdgrt@reddit

Stop whining, from the beginning Greece is a net receiver and was living beyond its means. Your debt levels reached the point where the country was no longer able to repay its loans, and was forced to ask for help from its European partners and the IMF in the form of massive loans.

btw the timle spent at your workplace is not the same as being productive....

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BeeUnfair4086@reddit

Take your meds shizo.

"btw the timle spent at your workplace is not the same as being productive...."

YOU MUST BE KIDDING. NO WAY!!!!!!! PRETTY SURE YOU HAVE A PHD!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US!!!!! you are so smart pal.

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Impressive-Orchid105@reddit

I always bring this up, it really annoys me. Not greek but I will not let Germany get away with this lol.

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SansBouillie@reddit

What conclusions did Greece make and apply to their relationship with Germany and the EU afterwards?

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StPauliPirate@reddit

2010-2014 was tough for Greeks in Germany😅 they had to listen a lot of arrogant bullshit from Germans.

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Sea_Gap_6569@reddit

I remember that time. I was surprised to see that it’s coming from every part of the german society

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kostasnotkolsas@reddit

You could do something as simple as buy cigarettes and the lovely German lady would say shit like "you owe us money but can pay for cigarettes?"

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alteransg1@reddit

Big time. Western Europe thinks Gypsies are the Bulgarian population and not a minority. Plenty of anecdotes of Bulgarians being told they can't be Bulgarian, because they're too white.

Also, when doing the Brexit campaign, Farage came to film in Bulgaria. The went into the most ghetto place they could, but the documentary pretends like this is downtown Sofia.

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KaleidoscopeFar8190@reddit

somehow some people from a certain race claim to be Turkish as soon as they get caught doing crimes.

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79mn105ss105a104@reddit

UK , Romanians and Bulgarians in UK were a talking point for Brexit.

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sonte2@reddit

Mind you that coward only spoke of us that way because he was too scared to mention the real migrant problem.

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BabylonianWeeb@reddit

If Europe is taking immigration, then they should take Balkaners, they integrate easily and don't cause trouble.

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MoneyLaunderX@reddit

Eastern Europeans as a whole has to some extend been used as scapegoat 15-20 years ago in Denmark, but there has been a shift. They’ve realized most EE aren’t that bad and the criminals are fairly easy to deport.

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x-rascal-x@reddit

the shift in Denmark is that the hate has gone to people from somalia or middel east - in other words muslim-hate is strong in Denmark.

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Sea_Gap_6569@reddit

Gemüsehändler!

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domets@reddit

EX-YU in Italy were always the culprits , whatever happened. Though, that's nothing compared to how people here treat asian emigrants.

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Immediate-Rabbit810@reddit

exactly

cries in half chinese and half indian 😭

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Immediate-Rabbit810@reddit

cries in Asian

fuck germany

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harvestt77@reddit

Albanians in Greece? Nah, rumors!

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OkoMushrooom@reddit

No not really

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Antique_Birthday6380@reddit (OP)

There are not really that much Macedonian immigrants, aren’t they?

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OkoMushrooom@reddit

Oh there are they just blend in better than everyone else and most of them are in Australia followed by the US.

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Terrible_Wrap1928@reddit

sure buddy

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OkoMushrooom@reddit

It’s one of the benefits of not being in the EU and being too small to have a negative image of. No one thinks badly about Macedonians or Montenegrins.

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Terrible_Wrap1928@reddit

sure buddy

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vulpixvulpes@reddit

I feel like Romanians in the UK were used as one of the main reasons for Brexit.

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Terrible_Wrap1928@reddit

yeah and bulgaria, courtesy to nigel farrage's speeches

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Piputi@reddit

In recent years, it is better because new immigrants are coming and getting more of the blame. But yeah, since the 80's.

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CoatiNo5074@reddit

Born and raised in the US. I learned about this arrogant attitude from my now EX German mother-in-law. Late 1990s, I showed up once to her house with a plastic bag full of something that wasn't food - the in-laws totally made fun of me for being such a Turk. Even though I made more money than her son and treated him kindly, I always felt like a second class citizen in their German house.

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CypriotGreek@reddit

Yeah, definitely. Greeks during the economic crisis were absolutely used as scapegoats in parts of Western Europe, in countries like the Netherlands and Germany (and Austria, they even had a poster made about us).

I remember being racially profiled at 12 in the Amsterdam airport when I was asked about whether I borrowed money for the trip by the passport lady. On that same trip, a waiter asked my family if we’d be able to pay, just because he heard us speaking Greek. Ironic how They changed their tone when the actually bad immigrants started coming in.

As a side note: the rise of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) is closely tied to the Greek bailout crisis. The party’s very name came as a response to Angela Merkel saying there was “no alternative” to the bailouts. A lot of its early base came from people unhappy with how Germany handled Greece specifically.

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acenkt@reddit

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WrapZz@reddit

As a Macedonian, never.

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backhand_english@reddit

"Yugoschweine auslander."

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cosmico11@reddit

Netherlands and UK enjoyed antagonising Bulgarians and Romanians (usual mafia bs), the French also deported over a thousand Roma to Romania and Bulgaria in the early 2010s. Maybe in a few years we'll get another round of villainisation from another Western country.

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ShitassAintOverYet@reddit

Sort of but not completely.

Turks usually fall under the radar in most Western European countries for desperately trying to adapt into whatever country they've migrated in and doing an ok job at that. For that reason some far-right and anti-immigrant parties like AfD in Germany and PVV in Netherlands actually had campaigns trying to grab Turkish voters.

But the way that they've appealed to the Turks wasn't a simple "I love Turks, when I say immigrant bad it's not you" type of claim, they've tried to grab 2nd wave Turkish immigrant who had to move out due to Erdoğan regime and try to pin them up against the more religious conservative 1st wave with claims like they are actually aligned with Kemalism...btw no they are nowhere close, Kemalism is center-left and Atatürk saw to it himself that far-right in Turkey were censored and banished.

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Repulsive_Work_226@reddit

Turkish barbers Turkey teeth etc yes