Unfortunate Son | TheaterFire

[-]

ViscountBuggus@reddit

Of course he won't get drafted lmao you're living in an oligarchy

[-]

PovazskaBystrica@reddit

He wanted it, make him go into the first line of fire for all I care.

[-]

ViscountBuggus@reddit

Two things can be true at the same time

[-]

SigaVa@reddit

I agree with him, the Epstein class will be less likely to push us into war of their kids are in the military.

[-]

BambooSound@reddit

I actually agree with him. No wars on 'military operations' without unanimous referenda results

[-]

In my experience the support for mandatory military service shoots out with age like crazy. I know people who were die hard hippies in their early 20s who are talking about how it is too easy for the youth with no military service. Now they are in their 40s, they did not serve either (in my country mandatory service was avoided by going to university), but they made a 180 on how others should serve.

Having kids whom may become eligible in the future for a mandatory service decreases this trend somewhat, but does not entirely negate it.

[-]

charlestheb0ss@reddit

As a young person who opposes the draft, that's so weird. Why?

I definitely would've been a hippie if I lived in the 60s

[-]

Pleasant_Ad8054@reddit

As a former young person, you see the coming generations and get fed news of the most extreme of them every day, while many people aging also develop a strong sense of entitlement (largely due to social and other media effects). This results overly critical viewpoints, that suggests 'problems' that 'require' extreme interventions to 'fix'. They don't necessary know how they want to fix those 'problems', but in their youth an extreme intervention was the draft, so when it is an option brought up by populists as a fix-all, they support it.

[-]

SubstituteCS@reddit

A lot of hippies were just selfish assholes. They got older and stayed the same selfish asshole. Now all the people they care about are safe from the draft.

[-]

the_capibarin@reddit

He knows full well neither he nor anyone he ever cared for is getting drafted

Get rekt, peasant

[-]

heavyPacket@reddit

Ya’ll should check out r/Palantir_Investors. You’re welcome.

[-]

ShotgunCreeper@reddit

Oh god, people actually simp for Palantir?

[-]

IDrinkSulfuricAcid@reddit

''Investors'' and I guarantee you most of them have like 10 shares.

[-]

heavyPacket@reddit

That’s because they are clowns. They believe the boot won’t crush their windpipes the same as the rest of us because they “own” a few measly shares of the analytics wing of the Nazi’s panopticon. They will be liquidated without a second thought, like all of us.

[-]

sum_student@reddit

You really think those people care for anything beside money?

[-]

EtteRavan@reddit

My son ? Oh no, he has uhhh... bone spurs yeah ! No you cannot see him.

[-]

noconverse@reddit

They patched out the bone spurs exploit, the new meta is trans maxxing.

[-]

koki1235@reddit

Well, he's a fortunate son

[-]

gnarlyhobo@reddit

It ain't me

[-]

Hyperversum@reddit

Some comments here are wild. Did you people even read half a summary of the war in Ukraine? Do you think that the russian conscripts are being more useful than consuming a drone or being blown out by entrenched infantrymen that now have to change position before they get shelled by the army?

The same goes in reverse. What's allowing Ukraine to hold as good as they did (apart from western support) is that they have developed a veteran army using modern approaches to combat. Their drafted population did a lot in the early days of the war, but now it's back to professional (from before the war and those that developed their skills after) to actually have effect on the war.

Picking the next 19yo to give a rifle and some months (weeks?) of training probably only gives you a stressed out rifleman with a vague understanding of his role on the battlefield, stressed the fuck out and that has never killed or shot a real target. He is going to be useful to defend his town if the enemy rolls in, maybe, but sending him into the trenches to get blown up by a drone? Yeah not so much.

Again, infantry is essential to the current combat in Ukraine, but most of them are people that have seen action by now, had real training and know what they are doing. The kid fresh out of the draft what is going to accomplish?

[-]

graphical_molerat@reddit

Right, professionals… I guess that is why the Ukrainian army has for over a year been snatching people off the streets to meet its recruitment targets? And Russia has not been sending conscripts to the front this entire war. They are sending the dregs of society (prisoners etc), and some of them are not terribly well trained, but all are contract soldiers.

[-]

WSBRainman@reddit

Russia absolutely snatches people from the streets and uses many other sketchy recruitment methods.

[-]

Nessy3fidy@reddit

Plus if you don't re up your contact you get sent to an assault unit.

[-]

Hyperversum@reddit

Yeah, as said they are LITERALLY fighting an existential war, of course drafting of lowl trained infantry will happen. It's not surprising. Outside of that they formed a core of professional soldiers. It's not a big take, it's the factual Truth lol.

Also the "Contract" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. If I stab you and then have you sign a contract saying you are handing me your house, it doesn't make it a very legal contract.b

[-]

Gravesh@reddit

There's a reason why the US all but abandoned the draft and it wasn't just due to civil unrest. Statistically, voluntary modern militaries are far more efficient and effective than conscripted ones. Throwing bodies onto the battlefield is no longer an effective strategy if you want to actually win a war.

[-]

AbsolutelyFreee@reddit

Throwing bodies onto the battlefield was never an effective strategy of winning wars. But the sheer size of a military will ALWAYS be a ridiculously important factor in warfare. The conscripted infantry does not need to be thrown into the most demanding sectors of the front - they can be thrown in onto less important sectors or to fill in the gaps in the defensive lines, allowing your professional, voluntary part of your military to be focused where it's needed most. An advantage in numbers will always be an advantage, and early war in Ukraine proves this - where russian military was chronically short on infantry, which resulted in horrific losses all around the frontline.

[-]

nopower81@reddit

Your idea so you go first. If you won't go first then shut up. If your so brave for everyone else fire all your body guards and walk around in public.

[-]

thr33beggars@reddit

Sorry, I’ve already served my country in other ways.

Namely, going to CPAC and operating a makeshift gloryhole in my hotel room. I’ve serviced more conservative political figures than I can count. Sure, if they do reinstate the draft I am sure I will be drafted, but I’m sure the armed forces will have a position for me like “shower attendant” or “semen inspector” because I’ve put in the time and effort to show that my talents are purely for boosting morale. And I do it all for my country.

[-]

MyOtherCarIsEpona@reddit

JD, surely you're way too busy with everything going on to be posting on reddit.

[-]

Wity_4d@reddit

"Fellas, line up for 6 am cock inspection"

[-]

Marco_Forelli@reddit

Mfw I get selected to manually clear a minefield because I failed penis inspection day

[-]

zombieGenm_0x68@reddit

when im selected to clear the minefield but the rat i befriended by feeding my smegma sniffs out the bombs for me

[-]

Bronze_Rager@reddit

Are you the guy who wipes down the loads?

[-]

not_nsfw_throwaway@reddit

So don't agree to share in the cost and don't fight the next war.

But the concept of not being at constant war is foreign to Muricans.

[-]

Idiot_of_Babel@reddit

"Everyone shares in the risk and cost"

Politicians and draft dodging, you can figure out the rest.

Frag your officer.

[-]

barryhakker@reddit

People successful in business who het in their heads to even deign to suggest what society should do deserve to be stripped naked and flogged though the streets

[-]

panzerboye@reddit

Every time this motherfucker shows up in my feed, his takes are worse than before.

[-]

viciousraccoon@reddit

He's so far removed and insulated from reality he has absolutely no idea what goes on in the world outside his bubble.

[-]

mikeysof@reddit

Why is it always the billionaires calling for people to go to war.

[-]

Spice002@reddit

$ and ✡️

[-]

Kazuma_Megu@reddit

$$$

[-]

lAljax@reddit

He and his family will obviously not get drafted. Only the plebs will.

[-]

sbd104@reddit

You seriously underestimate the kind of wacky Character Karp.

[-]

KrasnyRed5@reddit

We can finally get all those loafers off welfare. /s

[-]

aciluu@reddit

Pay jizya then

[-]

epicsnail14@reddit

Only people who think their country is worth killing and dying for should be in the military. I wouldn't join any military because I don't think any country is worth killing for

[-]

Kazuma_Megu@reddit

Country? Maybe. Government? Fuck no.

[-]

epicsnail14@reddit

I still don't think I'd die for my country. Its a romantic idea but at the end of the day I have people who depend on me.

[-]

Nekroin@reddit

That's the funny part: he won't be drafted. Neither will his children. They are way more equal than you, peasant.

[-]

Pmyers225@reddit

The day after he is no longer eligible, is when he starts kicking off and saying young people don't want to serve their country

[-]

NetStaIker@reddit

Everybody always against mandatory service until the exact age they age out of the conscripted bracket (that’s me, go die in Iran for lower oil prices peasants)

[-]

Kazuma_Megu@reddit

I aged out but my kids are both male teens so I'm not a fan in the slightest.

We all (guys my age) thought we were gonna get drafted when 9/11 happened but it never materialized but I remember the feeling among all us guys who'd recently turned 18 that there was a real possibility of some kind of desert Vietnam.

[-]

DenLaengstenHat@reddit

I would not be wholly opposed to mandatory service along the Swiss model if I knew I wouldn't be drafted into some idiotic foreign war.

[-]

TheMorbidHobo@reddit

The people wanting the war should be on the front lines.

[-]

Tasty-Window@reddit

what are fighting to protect in this shithole country anymore? Right, nothing. No thanks.

[-]

BigScoops96@reddit

Yeah let’s have the disillusioned youth get military training. That’ll go over well

[-]

chotchss@reddit

Personally, having served in the military, I’m not sure I’d ever force conscription. But I would suggest that having some form of mandatory service for young Americans. Maybe something along the lines of 18 year olds can either choose to do 4 years in the military or two years of public service. Something to get Americans out of their hometown so they can experience the U.S./world, teach them some basic skills and things like CPR or getting a passport. Let them gain some experience and job skills along with some money so they can start life off on a good foot. And also pay our service members more.

[-]

Pleasant_Ad8054@reddit

4 years is crazy, and would shoot any kind of economic progress in the foot. What would make sense and would benefit both the US and the people participating would be something similar to the New Deal's Civilian Conservation Corps. They could train young, unemployed, and unemployable people to trades that they could use later in civilian life, and their work could rebuild the aging, crumbling infrastructure of the US. Obviously it won't happen because there isn't profit in it.

[-]

chotchss@reddit

Military contract right now is typically eight years in U.S.- four on active duty and four in the reserves. So this isn’t a change on that front, though the 2 years of civil service is new. But on the other hand, I figure folks would get paid for their service and come out with more skills than if they went straight into a low skill job.

[-]

Pleasant_Ad8054@reddit

The change would be the amount of people. There are >2 Million 18 year old men in the US, and will be for the next decade or so. There are <1.4 active duty military personnel in the US military, and an other <500k in the National Guard. Mandatory service, even with many opt outs and ineligibility, would mean >8M active duty enlisted, or 4M civil service members. that is at least 2M-6M people out of the working pool, 1.1-3.5% of the total US labour force. Getting paid for playing soldier, especially that they won't get anything more complex than guarding low level government facilities due to the risks of conscription, doesn't add anything to the economy. The low skill jobs do, but conscription also pushes high skill job entry to the labour force as well.

[-]

chotchss@reddit

I think you're not understanding what I'm saying here. I'm not advocating for military conscription- I'm suggesting that folks get an option at 18 to either join the military or to do two years of civil service where they help with things like assisting in schools, hospitals, or other areas of social need. The idea would not only be to provide support for these institutions, but to help build a more unified society, to give folks a financial head start in life, to teach them valuable skills, and to let them see that there's more in the world than the town they were born in.

[-]

MonkeyPanls@reddit

They could train young, unemployed, and unemployable people to trades that they could use later in civilian life

We have AmeriCorps. They do exactly that. Or, at least they will, until TFG finishes defunding them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmeriCorps#Changes_under_the_second_Trump_administration

I have been the beneficiary of two registered (marine engineering tech and operating engineer-stationary) and one unofficial apprenticeship (locksmithing), in that order. I am now a locksmith and backup boiler operator at a hospital. I have a good union wage and benefits, and will probably ride this one out until I retire in 20 years.

Had I done some time in a career development program and not bought into the "college is the only way!" before the age of 30, I would probably be doing "better" in life (whatever that means), or at least not be in my 40's with crushing college debt.

[-]

chotchss@reddit

I’d love to have more apprenticeships in the U.S., Germany is a really good example of how they set up craftsmen for success. And more follow on educational opportunities- not everyone needs to go to college in my opinion.

[-]

Technical-Earth-3254@reddit

If everyone shares the same risk, not even the US would go war.

[-]

WorryingMars384@reddit

I love how it’s always people who’ve never served who say this type shit

[-]

shiduru-fan@reddit

Share the cost -> you peasant better start paying with your life so I could buy my 16th ferrari

[-]

FearFritters@reddit

Ah yes give the indentured solider who will now despise their country and fellow soldiers a gun. Can't possibly be a bad idea.

[-]

darksidathemoon@reddit

This is what happens when you do universal suffrage. Some guy is going to come up with this idea as a way to achieve universal accountability.

The true answer is to keep military involvement voluntary, but restrict the franchise to those who do volunteer

Would you like to know more?

[-]

Strong-Hovercraft702@reddit

Billionaires saying we should all pitch in is rich.

[-]

graphical_molerat@reddit

Not that I'd thought I'd ever agree on something with the head of Palantir, but here goes...

Having served in a European "citizen's army" where basically most of the male population has to serve due to conscription being mandatory, and where a sizeable part of those who get drafted stay in an active reserve scheme for a decade or more afterwards (think Swiss militia system), I think that a military force organised in this manner is actually the appropriate system for a democracy.

Why? Because such an army does not really exist in peacetime: all that is going on during peacetime is training of recruits, there are only very small immediate response units, and all the remaining forces need to be explicitly mobilised. Basically, such an army is only good for defending the country: but it can be really good at this.

And, which is the far more important point, it has a safety catch. Like all means of deadly force should have. Which is that if the citizenry at large does not agree with a war, and a sizeable part of them does not report for duty when the army is being mobilised, the whole war thing will not happen. To wit, it's really hard to fight an unjust war of aggression with such a force.

This is not what Mr. Palantir meant, of course. I would assume that he wants peasants to die for their insane world domination plots.

But basically, general conscript armies organised along the lines of the Swiss (or formerly also Austrian) armies are not a bad idea at all.

[-]

MonkeyPanls@reddit

Because such an army does not really exist in peacetime: all that is going on during peacetime is training of recruits, there are only very small immediate response units, and all the remaining forces need to be explicitly mobilised. Basically, such an army is only good for defending the country: but it can be really good at this.

As an American, I have to ask you this important question: How will the American Military-Industrial Complex survive with such deprivation???? Won't someone please think of the defense contractors???

Yes, I'm joking.

As much as I would love to see a return to the system that the USA had before World War 1, where we had a cadre of officers and NCOs and stores and manufacturing capability to upscale quickly. However, MajGen Butler and then President Eisenhower were both correct: The monied powers want to keep the USA either in war or on the edge of war for their own profit.

[-]

Hyperversum@reddit

But the point is that a conscript army is hugely inefficient. This should without saying but it's being ignored to a level I am baffled by.

Sure we will never stop having the need for infantry doing stuff, but the overwhelming majority of the war in Ukraine is being determine by intel, artillery strikes and the ability to fortify an area through separated indipendent mobile troops. And drones, of course.

This is specialized combat, not something you can do out of mobilization 10 years after your draft. It's bonkers to think otherwise.

[-]