While x86 does the actual work. There is no AVX 512 and no Legacy software support

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Annual-Ninja1370@reddit

hmm something that the general population doesn’t care about and has no impact on them whatsoever. Interesting

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Direct_Jeweler_7457@reddit

General population doesn't play video games?

By your logic the USA should be on 120V 60Hz by now

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Annual-Ninja1370@reddit

big thing do heavy workload better than small thing? crazy shit

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Direct_Jeweler_7457@reddit

so why would the small thing become a replacement for the big thing you are contradicting your own point about it replacing x86

tuckeran5607@reddit

Right.

AI is still in its infancy, and people who believe it’s a “bubble” simply dont understand how revolutionary this tech is going to be In the immediate to near future.

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Killmeplsok@reddit

Yeah, internet was in infancy 30 years ago, and everyone know it's revolutionary, doesn't stop it from bursting.

It's not "doesn't understand the revolutionary of this tech" that causes it to burst, it's exactly how revolutionary it is that cause people expectation to go too high up and thus, a bubble.

At the end of the day, only a few companies is going to rise from the ashes where the bubble were, it is the nature of this kind of tech.

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tuckeran5607@reddit

Your argument is that AI is over valued.

I believe it’s still undervalued.

It’s only going to continue to get better, and more efficient.

And your analogy of the .com bubble burst isn’t truly 1:1 here. There’s several external factors that led to the dot-com bubble bursting.

1) Rising interest rates between 1999 and 2000. Federal reserve raised the rates 6 times. That’s only done when an economy is OUT OF CONTROL going too fast. We don’t see that with AI right now and the current economy.

2) Y2K was a massive panic, and many many companies spent BILLIONS to “Y2K proof” their systems. When nothing happened, all that spending dried up. Effectively halting all growth of the tech sector. That’s not the case here.

3) Valuations of these dotcom companies we saw these companies project 60x-80x P/E ratios… which is insane. However in the current tech market, the ratios are 30-40x - HOWEVER they are backed up with actual earnings reports. Not vaporware.

4) the barrier to entry for the dotcom bubble was low. Anybody could buy a .com domain and launch a site. Joining in on the frenzy. In the AI world you need massive investments in hardware, power, and infrastructure in order to sell. So there’s only a few established players in the space.

The danger today isn’t that AI “isn’t real” but instead that Capital Expenditure is so high that if companies don’t find a way to turn “cool ai features” into recurring revenue. By 2027 we could see a significant market correction. But hardly a “bubble bursting” to the tune of the dotcom crash.

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Killmeplsok@reddit

I never say AI was overvalued, in fact I think it's full potential is far from realized. And not every bubble has to be as big as the dot com one to be called a bubble. The dot come one is a once in a lifetime bubble (i sure hope I'm right about this)

What I think is a lot of companies claiming AI is going to die, not those that actually offers value, some of them is going to die, of course, but they're not really the concern, it's millions of companies who has nothing to do with AI claiming "AI".

I work in the startup industry now and sees first hand that if you company don't have "AI" printed on your brochures it's next to impossible to get investment nowadays unless you're already raking in profits for quite some time. Food delivery service? "AI" food delivery, healthcare startup? "AI" healthcare. Have any kind of sensor? AI monitoring. Have any kind of automation? AI workflow. Have any kind of robotics arm in your manufacturing process? You bet it's gonna call AI assisted manufacturing. And their pitch? Bought x numbers of GPU, spending x amount of money on models.

You know what's the difference, but unfortunately most investors has no idea what they're throwing money into. And that's what causing the bubble.

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Orinslayer@reddit

No, they won't, they are pivoting to cloud computing and thin clients, mainframe style.

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kittymoo67@reddit

I hope people will not forget.

They never did.

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meodd8@reddit

AMD apparently cares at least a bit as they are literally releasing a new piece of consumer hardware here.

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996forever@reddit

By that logic intel cares even more because they released an entire lineup of Arrow lake refresh on desktop and an entirely new line of mobile socs with entirely new consumer integrated graphics.

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megablue@reddit

care what? a $900 CPU that barely beats the single Vcache version. you are paying $300 premium for like 3% performance gain in productivity. does 3% performance gain for $300 sounds like AMD care for you????!!!

agreed!

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canycosro@reddit

Yip. We were lucky to get a few generations from AMD can you imagine if intel hadn't had the competition from AMD.

And now we have no one to save us from ai. If ai doesn't blow up we're going to start getting CPUs that have optimisations for ai first of it gives ai 0.5% increase but consumers suffer AMD,intel will all happily put those chips out.

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Geddagod@reddit

If ai doesn't blow up we're going to start getting CPUs that have optimisations for ai first of it gives ai 0.5% increase but consumers suffer AMD,intel will all happily put those chips out.

Intel at this point does not have a large enough presence in that space, or a roadmap that looks like it will lead them to have a large enough presence in that space in the near term future, to completely ignore client.

Honestly neither does AMD imo, but it can be argued that they can eventually get to that point soonish, depending on how their AI accelerators take off over the next few gens.

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SirActionhaHAA@reddit

Intel at this point does not have a large enough presence in that space

Idk man, I used to watch every GN video that came into my feed but lately it feels like the overwhelming majority of their content is negative politics/industry deep dives. I get that AI is shit, the industry is shit, American politics are shit, etc. so he can't avoid being negative but I don't need daily videos about it. I already watch the news and know AMD/Nvidia/Intel are shitty evil corporations that don't give a shit about consumers (they always were).

I subbed to GN years ago for reviews, teardowns, and weekly news with a bit of personality. These days I find myself skipping over most of their content and wondering if I should just unsub entirely.

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DriftlessOcean@reddit

So I guess my question is, you would rather have them just blindly review tech and not speak about the man behind the curtain at all? Just no pushback whatsoever to the actual bad things these companies are doing?

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Strazdas1@reddit

when the man behind the curtain is "lizards are running the government" style conspiracy theories then yes, i expect them not to do that.

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Because being mad in either direction is unproductive. Don't get farmed out for your negative attention and instead vote with your wallet. The market is cyclical and you will get a chance to have your discontent actively measurable, just not right now

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zakats@reddit

I'm hearing:

'Be complacent and do nothing about consumers getting screwed til it's time to vote, but don't bother to be informed in the interim.'

downhill in tone

How so?

sets his agenda and affixes all research to only support this

Big if true, but would need a lot of citations to support. I don't see it but I'm ready to check your notes if this is a working theory and not your doing the same thing.

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For my money, it looks like he's applying a critical eye with an emphasis on consumer interests which what what I want from journalists. Keeping an open mind, I'm ready to be convinced otherwise for the sake of always being vigilant for the legitimacy of the information in my diet.

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TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit

A recent video implied that the reason memory prices are high is because of price fixing. When it's demonstrably that demand is far outstripping supply.

Either it's bad research/reporting, or coming to a conclusion and then working back from there.

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gokarrt@reddit

yeah, i haven't been able to watch an gn for a while.

i absolutely agree there's a place for "serious" journalism in the industry, but i just can't get behind the hyperbolic rhetoric about the travesty of this or that when it comes to luxury electronics. less editorialization would be appreciated.

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shinyquagsire23@reddit

A lot of ppl are just tired of fear farming/clickbait/sponsorship deals being sold as "independent journalism," and it's not just GN doing it either it's all over the place.

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zakats@reddit

fear farming

I'll need a qualification on this as a notion if the anti-GN crowd wants yo impeach their legitimacy for us normies. I'm getting a ton of 'because vibes' so far, which is about as useful to me as all of the DDR3 I have stashed.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Look up the concept of FUD

There's been a movement to try and discredit GN on reddit ever since they did an investigation into the massive amount of corruption around AI

For real.

Yeah when you position yourself more being “investigate juornalist” focus on hit pieces rather than tech news outlet, don’t play pikachu face when the tech companies stop treating you as one.

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windowpuncher@reddit

don’t play pikachu face

Did you even watch this video?

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Soggy_Cheek_2653@reddit

Guy 10 years in the access journalism industry when he loses access: This is so unexpected

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NapsterKnowHow@reddit

Yep and he uses those burned bridges for new content. Cancerous clickbait trash content.

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2FastHaste@reddit

Seriously. Why should they entertain a channel that will unfairly review your products as soon as it is in any form related to AI.

We've seen this already before the new “AI dystopia” obsession and pandering. With Frame gen where Steve tried his best to show it in the worst light possible while calling it "fAKe FrAMes".

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qwertyqwerty4567@reddit

Most likely blacklisted by the executive team for their reporting on the AI industry and AMDs participation in it with the US government, not a marketing decision.

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Aggravating-Dot132@reddit

I think AMD don't give a fuck about that video. They are making quick buck as long as they can while staying afloat in consumer levels. For example, 9800 x3d is still the best while also not being a bottleneck at all. On the GPU side, Nvidia has problems with supply, so does AMD. Not much else to do, tbh.

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MdxBhmt@reddit

They cared enough to blacklist GN and devoid them from access... Clearly they are annoyed.

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TheFaithlessFaithful@reddit

But it's not just GN, it's a bunch of channels.

My guess is that AMD didnt like the accusations that RDNA4 had fake pricing... Which GN was totally right o call them out on the vouchers bs.

AMD trying to kill support for 2-year-old GPUs was the day they died for me.

As bad as Nvidia is, AMD is currently so much worse. It's funny because people still think of them as the scrappy underdog, but if you look at their recent decisions objectively they're trying to pull shit Nvidia and Intel would never consider doing.

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Seanspeed@reddit

AMD trying to kill support for 2-year-old GPUs was the day they died for me.

People are STILL lying about this, huh? Or at least insanely misinformed.

They did not 'kill support' for two year old GPU's. They said they were gonna stop providing specific Day 1 performance optimization drivers aimed at very specific new game launches for GPU's more than two architectures old. General feature, bug fix, performance and security updates are all still on the cards, where relevant.

This is EXACTLY what Nvidia does, by the way, and has done since basically forever. Just because you receive a new 'Game Ready' driver for your RTX2070 in time for a new game release does not mean there's anything in that driver that's actually improving performance for your old ass GPU. And it's hilarious if you really think it was. Nvidia only provides these Day 1, game-specific performance updates for their latest two architectures. Which is only sensible for a number of practical reasons.

Also, these improvements tend to be pretty minor overall. Usually boosting performance by single digits and often only with select settings or scenarios.

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Cryio@reddit

Except for the "feature support", you're right. I'd remove that.

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Seanspeed@reddit

Nope, general feature support. It's still correct. Something like improvements in Adrenaline software and whatnot. Or new technologies that WILL work out-the-box on RDNA1/2/3 GPU's where applicable.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Its not a lie. They killed support for it.

This is EXACTLY what Nvidia does, by the way, and has done since basically forever.

Yeah, they did it last year to a GPU series from 2016. Still fully supported for the ones from 2018.

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Seanspeed@reddit

Again, they didn't 'kill support' for it. Phrasing it like this is absolutely a lie, and I just literally explained why it's factually wrong.

In fact, your whole post makes it clear you didn't read beyond my first sentence. smh

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Darrelc@reddit

Just because you receive a new 'Game Ready' driver for your RTX2070 in time for a new game release does not mean there's anything in that driver that's actually improving performance for your old ass GPU.

Does it set our cards on fire? Nah? ship it

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Appropriate_Bottle44@reddit

I'm not super interested in getting in a big ole internet argument, but yeah I disagree with more or less all of this.

AMD has worse driver support than Nvidia. As an owner of one of the AMD cards that was going to be deprecated, those day 1 patches are important to me, and have frequently made a difference. I won't argue with you over what is in Nvidia's drivers.

I've owned both Nvidia and AMD cards, Nvidia is vastly superior at customer/ driver support.

I bought my 6750xt in october 22. If you want to call that an "old ass GPU" fine. I still expect it to be supported.

Also, frankly, do you even own an AMD GPU or have you recently? Because I'm gonna give some pretty heavy side eye to anybody who doesn't think they need continuing driver support.

Really, AMD drivers and the adrenaline software have been a comedy of errors the entire time I've owned this GPU. If they had stable drivers I didn't have to think about, God, yes, please.

In general the experience of owning an AMD card is just having an awful time with the drivers and the software and having to constantly troubleshoot it, rollback, or wait for a new driver, then getting the internet gaslighting you about how all of that has been solved.

I also think it's just blatantly naive if you think this wasn't about trying to turn 6000 series into a legacy product that was going to get little or no support. Look at what they're doing with FSR 4 if you need another example.

Next time I will pay the premium for Nvidia, because I think it's far less likely I have to deal with actively advocating for working drivers or being expected to be on a 2-year upgrade path, or having people tell me I'm lying when I say the experience of owning an AMD GPU hasn't been great.

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JonWood007@reddit

Even worse amd sold 6000 series along side 7000 series and didnt stop mostly until they released their 9000 series last year. So people were buying those cards well into 2025. Its not like they're abandoned cards amd stopped selling in like 2021 or something.

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Appropriate_Bottle44@reddit

Yeah, I mean, this seems like a charged issue for people, and certainly lots of arguments flying both ways, but it feels pretty basic to me--

AMD wants to end support for their GPUs way before their customers would expect, either to just sell newer products or save money.

I don't like that, so I'm gonna buy Nvidia, if Nvidia does the same thing, I guess I'll cross my fingers and buy Intel (then I can really complain about drivers).

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JonWood007@reddit

I mean nvidia has their own issues. At this point just buy what makes sense for you.

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skinlo@reddit

I bought my 6750xt in october 22.

When you bought it isn't really relevant, I can buy a new RX570 if I wanted to.

In general the experience of owning an AMD card is just having an awful time with the drivers and the software and having to constantly troubleshoot it, rollback, or wait for a new driver, then getting the internet gaslighting you about how all of that has been solved

I own a 6700 on a second machine, and have never had driver issues. Never had any with the RX570 before then, nor the 7870xt before then. My point is, you having issues doesn't mean everyone else does, and doesn't mean AMD's drivers are inherently broken. I guarantee it wouldn't take much effort to find Nvidia users with similar issues.

Reddit and gamers need to stop echoing this if you care about pro consumer advocacy and all the other stuff that Steve talks about. Stop for a second and zoom out. It is a common trick in marketing and companies in general to bloat their perceived value add. Nvidia started with day 1 game ready driver stuff because of that, as with a lot of other stuff, as did plenty of other companies. It doesn't matter who or what started it though, you are playing into a common marketing trap, just like Gamernexus and other youtube personalities have done. Heck most gamers seems to have fallen for this. I remember this being called out two decades ago when Nvidia started with this shit. Now it's normalized.

By complaining and putting a company down because of a lack of service, you are indirectly supporting rent seeking behavior of these companies. You are no longer just paying and expecting a standalone product, but a service. So if we zoom out what actually matters? It is, as it always has been, open source and effective control of the product. In that very specific area, AMD has done a lot better in recent years, hence a lot of the prosumer support.

Though I totally share people's frustration when maybe 25 bucks in return gives you so little in return and all of the other crap AMD does. Fighting the good fight was never easy though and just proclaiming that the world is grey and giving up is worse than doing something, like voting with your wallet even when return is less.

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HandofWinter@reddit

I mean I have a 6800XT and I'm still getting updates. The news of its demise was greatly exaggerated. My experience has been I install the software suite, update it every few months, and occasionally tweak my overclock settings. It sucks that your experience was so bad, but it's definitely not universal.

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Appropriate_Bottle44@reddit

This is fair, and I have heard other people report they haven't had problems with the drivers or the software.

Like, I've lost count of how many times I've had to do a clean install of adrenaline just for the reason that the driver update button has disappeared.

I'm sure I'd feel somewhat differently about all of this if the software/ drivers hadn't required so much attention.

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HandofWinter@reddit

Yeah, that's totally reasonable, it sounds like a shit experience and I'd feel the same in your position.

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Aware-Bath7518@reddit

You know what AMD did after the "maintenance mode" backlash? They still moved the whole RDNA1/2 driver branch into separate package and just began to distribute it packed with current RDNA3/4 branch so people won't scream & moan their GPUs are not supported anymore.

It's still in maintenance mode. Vulkan UMD on the RDNA2 branch is practically abandoned and lacks multiple extensions completely supported by RDNA3 branch & RADV drivers on Linux. Something tells me DX12 UMD also does lack new things, however, D3D12 is moving more slower and it's less noticeable there.
OpenGL also never got NV(EXT)_mesh_shader on RDNA2 despite hardware supporting this feature.
What's the point of updates then? It's just Vega/Polaris branch but few years newer. Polaris still gets rare "updates".

I really hope AMD updates UMD on the RDNA2 branch because they promised the split only will affect KMD part of the driver, but for now it's technically two separate branches - one is actual and other is outdated despite getting "updates".

On NVIDIA side you got Pascal/Maxwell (finally :( ) dropped, but Turing&Ampere still get updated UMD in-line with newer Ada/Blackwell.

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WWWeirdGuy@reddit

I think the most important takeaway here is that bad companies in general bloat their perceived value add, so when people go to the store and you have to similar products, but this one product has this one extra thing it always wins out. This is how companies "get" normal consumers.

More insidiously however is that it is now normalized and gamers expects a service. In other words, Nvidia just normalized rent seeking behaviour, and based on the response from reddit, they completely won out and people here have become their own worst enemy. Even Steve fell for this.

People need to zoom out and as always, the open source advocates are right. The only thing that ever mattered was open source and effective control of the product. Nvidia could, right now, for almost no cost let their GPU's last as long as the hardware lasts, however they simply choose not to and Nvidia users are effectively renting them. If you were shocked at people renting computers, well you, the reader most likely effectively doing that right now.

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Aldraku@reddit

Not the first time when youtube grade people mish mash information they don't fully understand to trigger some people and get some clicks. As a developer, the goal is to finish all the scheduled features to be able to park a product into maintenance mode when it's fully featured. The goal isn't to keep products in an unstable state like microsoft does with needless updates that break more than they fix.

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SonicShadow@reddit

Its still incredible how AMD managed to turn something they and their peers have been doing since forever into a scandal through shitty messaging.

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KinTharEl@reddit

People don't want to admit it, but it's been this way since 2020 and the Ryzen 5000 launch. The prices from that launch were incredibly telling that they had realized they had a giant market advantage on their hands. So, price increases began, and Ryzen 3 chips were pretty much killed off.

AMD is not your friend. AMD is not a vanguard against the other chip companies. They're just a competitor, and if all competitors aren't firing on all cylinders, the winner will start increasing prices and trying to monopolize the market.

That's the very nature of capitalism.

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railven@reddit

but it's been this way since 2020

Longer. Much longer. Go back to Netburst vs K7, when AMD got the upper hand their prices ballooned. I mean, did people already forget this:

https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2005/06/5044-2/

It’s also AMD’s most expensive chip, running US$1,031 in quantities of 1,000. Compare that with the recently released dual-core Athlon 64 X2 CPUs, which tops out at $1,001 for the Athlon 64 X2 4800+, and the US$999 Pentium XE 840 from Intel.

Moment AMD got a chance, they wanted to charge same price as their competitors.

Just take a look at how they basically raised dGPU prices every time they thought they had a winner, only for NV to laugh match their price and still beat them with "INFERIOR" products.

NV can only sell a 350+mm2 GPU die for $1000+ because AMD keeps trying to 1up NV with their "superior" 500+mm2 $1000 products.

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Flynny123@reddit

Ryzen 3 was killed off because they went 8 cores per CCX and didn't have enough different products to differentiate the product stack when their bottom bin was a 6 core. I'm not pretending this wasn't also a very "convenient" set of events for them, but there was at least some logic to it and it's the thing I probably care about least.

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KinTharEl@reddit

My logic is, nothing is preventing them from selling a 6 core processor as a Ryzen 3 and just boosting the overall core clock/frequency/PCIe lanes for higher tier processors. Intel has spent pretty much a decade selling i3s, i5s, and i7s whilst having 4 cores across the board.

Sell 6-cores without HT as Ryzen 3, 6-core with HT enabled as Ryzen 5, and continue the processor lineup as usual if you want to keep it that way. There, I created a slot in their lineup for Ryzen 3 in 2 minutes.

I agree they had a logic. I'm just saying it's a shitty logic that cuts out people who want to build more budget computers.

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vanebader-2048@reddit

Intel has spent pretty much a decade selling i3s, i5s, and i7s whilst having 4 cores across the board.

You're just lying out of your ass.

When Intel was stuck on 4 cores (up until the 7th gen), Core i3 chips were dual cores with HT, and Core i5 chips were either dual cores with HT or quad cores without HT. They absolutely did not sell "4 cores across the board".

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KinTharEl@reddit

I'll admit the i3 was hyperbole, but i5s and i7s have been quad cores since the start of Nehalem. There are no i5s with dual core only configurations except the i5 -650.

If you're talking about mobile chips, that's a whole other ballgame.

Or did you forget the whole market pre Ryzen when intel's performance bumps were 5-10% increments? Or Skylake's disaster? Or 14nm+++++?

Intel in the 2010s was absolutely coasting along with marginal performance increases whilst charging top dollar. AMD shat the bed with Bulldozer and was out of the game until Zen actually started getting taped out. And even then, Zen only really became viable with Zen + and 2. First Gen Ryzen was pretty terrible with memory.

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vanebader-2048@reddit

There are no i5s with dual core only configurations except the i5 -650.

Every generation between Sandy Bridge and Skylake had "T" (35W) i5 models that were dual cores.

Everything else you wrote was a non-sequitur. Your original point is that AMD should have kept selling Ryzen 3 CPUs with higher core counts because "Intel was selling quad cores across the board", which is very untrue.

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KinTharEl@reddit

You're cherry picking to such a level I'm actually in awe. If you're going to take "across the board" as "they did nothing but sell 4 cores", then I can call you out right back by your assumption that your tone of declaring one SKU variant a year is disingenuous to disprove the statement that Intel coasted by with 4 core CPUs for the majority of the 2010s.

Or do you want to go back and pick some more cherries?

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vanebader-2048@reddit

If you're going to take "across the board" as "they did nothing but sell 4 cores"

I'm not "taking" anything, those words have actual meanings. "Intel sold 4 cores across the board" literally means the exact same as "Intel sold nothing but 4 cores". That's exactly what "across the board" means, and both forms of this statement are resoundingly wrong.

What I said also has a literal meaning. I said desktop Core i3 chips were all dual cores with HT, and desktop i5 chips were either dual cores with HT, or quad cores without HT. Everything in that statement is 100% factually correct.

to disprove the statement that Intel coasted by with 4 core CPUs

That's not the statement I was disproving, dimwit.

Killed expiremental pcie 4.0 support on 4xx mbs too.

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skinlo@reddit

That was a good thing.

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glizzygobbler247@reddit

Oof yeah forgot about that, hope they dont do the same with pcie 5, im using it with no problems on TUF B650

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KARMAAACS@reddit

Been saying that for ages, they've always been worse, the difference is now they're in the best position they've ever been in and people are seeing their true colours. The excuses of "they can't support X product for Y years because they're broke" doesn't work anymore.

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spicesucker@reddit

they've always been worse

I wouldn’t say they’ve always been worse, Fury was when AMD took the weird turn and tried to bank on the image of being an underdog

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PastaPandaSimon@reddit

He's one of the biggest PC tech channels on YouTube and growing. We post his reviews as go-to to watch when a new chip launches. Him being critical of the products is what you need from a critic when considering a product.

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doscomputer@reddit

and it's one of the most watched tech channels on YouTube

This sub will also swear away LTT and chant up and down about how its a bad channel, but they still pull in more views and have less sponsorship issues than GN.

nah its very apparent the hype/GN community are blowing steve up to be bigger than he actually is

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PastaPandaSimon@reddit

I'm going purely by views and how often their videos are posted as literally the main product review here when a new chip launches. The idea you compare them to the biggest PC hardware channel also shows the influence they have. This is regardless of how we feel about their focus.

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Grobfoot@reddit

I don't watch every GN upload, but I do want to push back a bit about that. I don't think that the bar is that high for corporations to clear to not become the next GN Exposé video.

At the end of the day, I think the industry is trending in a negative direction and GN is the creator that calls it how they see it.

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Altsan@reddit

Yeah if I was a brand and I looked a GN's videos I would stay far away from them. Every video is "evil corp did what this time", or If a product isn't the best performance per dollar it's a "scam" and shouldn't be on the market. Doesn't that get tiring after awhile.

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I mean they are a corporation and exist simply to make money, but it's being pretty dishonest to say they are the anticompetitive equals of Nvidia or Intel. AMD doesn't have a long history of bribing OEMs to not stock their competitors products (Intel and Dell among others), threatening to break comparability with the other vendors instructions (Intel strong arming devs against using 3DNOW back in the day) or any of the shady stuff Nvidia has been doing over the last few decades as well. Now, it's also fair to argue that AMD never had the cash or the leverage to pull any of that BS off (at least on that scale), but that's a completely different situation.

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Strazdas1@reddit

being pretty dishonest to say they are the anticompetitive equals of Nvidia or Intel.

They are actually worse.

AMD doesn't have a long history of bribing OEMs to not stock their competitors products

They have a long history of refusing to work with OEMs at all

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f1rstx@reddit

I mean they are a corporation and exist simply to make money

exactly

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wilkonk@reddit

arguably worse

then argue it

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nismotigerwvu@reddit

Glad we agree on the first part. No corporation is your friend, the difference is that some are actively your enemy. Maybe I'm severely out of the loop (I do have a preschooler and a job and all) or perhaps overly weighing historical events (aka I'm old) but what has AMD been up to recently that's the anticompetitive equal of NV or Intel? Even just a few things to Google search and catch the pulse on would be cool, you don't need to write anything super long.

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ConsistentLaw6353@reddit

This is not exactly true. AMD was traditionally better on open source and standards compared to Nvidia. For example freesync vs g sync. However they are increasingly more stingy with that approach and Nvidia has mellowed out at least on some aspects.

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Strazdas1@reddit

AMD was traditionally better on open source and standards compared to Nvidia.

Strazdas1@reddit

In consumer they’ve definitely earnt a decent rep for being more consumer friendly than their alternatives.

Whitch is ironic, because they actually arent.

Compared to Intel, their sockets have lasted longer and they don’t lock down overclocking.

Which is irrelevant to 99% of users and when overclocking is unlocked you get exploding CPUS that AND has been dealing with for last two generations.

compared to NVIDIA, they generally do things through open source and have been less tight arse about VRAM.

You do know what Nvidia has more open source libraries integrated in game engines than AMD has libraries total, yes? You are right that historically AMD usually had a little bit more memory.

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This is incorrect. They have not been any more pro-consumer than the competition. It seems that you have simply fallen for the tyerminally online fan propaganda.

You can see where all things being equal, someone would lean towards them, or would want to see them succeed.

I want then to suceed because competition is good. They are absolutely not pro-consumer though.

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wilkonk@reddit

the AMD sub is way more critical of AMD than the nvidia one is of them, this stuff is just nonsense

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AMD literally doesn’t need to do any PR work catering to the gaming market when people do it for them for free, which is why them screwing up like this is hilarious.

Yes, because why they sell so many graphics cards...

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comelickmyarmpits@reddit

Kinda had to respect intel here ,

GN roasted intel so many times and yet intel are willing to send engineers from gpu division to steve .

Maybe bcz they know they ate nothing in gpu Market but still. Nvidia being too dog and yet send their engineer for 5090 cooling solution before 5000 series launch was great as well before the eventual fall out between them .

Amd is wierd, really wierd

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mrheosuper@reddit

Amd is asshole, that's all.

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PastaPandaSimon@reddit

I'd argue it's incompetence. Their PR team is so bad that they think they can try to force channels to always present them in a positive light, under a threat that they'll stop shipping early samples. While in practice, doing so to one of the most popular PC tech channels on YouTube ensures you still get covered, except your competitors will get the earlier coverage, and you get no chance to directly defend yourself and try to present yourself in best light.

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theholylancer@reddit

I... don't think so

for all the memes of advanced marketing disaster, they have been incredible at shaping consumer image of them

like more vram for you = our chips are not as efficient so we had to use larger chip at each tier to hit a specific target performance, so a 7900XTX has 24 GB vs 16 for 4080 but its a MCM 529mm total vs 379mm and 400w vs 300w and as soon as their more competitive in size cards are in play (read 9070 xt vs 5070 ti) and what extra vram?

like fine wine drivers = our drivers are shit out of the box and needs time to be better, but people got marketed to that their cards got better over time dramatically. and now FSR 4 won't be coming to even one gen old cards when DLSS has been backported with warnings (which due to the leak we know they have something similar).

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WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit

It's the foundry the US government wants to keep, not x86. The architecture could wither for all they care.

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Doom2pro@reddit

It's too bad AMD never brought GN into their bring up labs.

Ohh wait.

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Variv@reddit

AMD always had small and fragile ego.

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Whirblewind@reddit

GN is barely hardware reviews anymore anyway, and not for lack of hardware to review. What AMD did was wrong, but humorously, aligns with the GN of today, not what they used to be, could be, or dare I say should be. I encourage Steve to prove them wrong.

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beigemore@reddit

Gamers Nexus lost their focus a few years ago.

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Liltoesss@reddit

Do we live in the same reality? Do you just want hardware reviews and glaze? With what money are you buying that hardware? 600 dollars for DDR5 seems normal to me!

The consumer space is in the worst state ive ever seen it, let me ask again. Do we share the same reality? Have you stopped taking your meds?

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Whirblewind@reddit

Do we live in the same reality? Do you just want hardware reviews and glaze?

Adorable that you imply that's the only alternative to what GN's been doing, or that they do hardware reviews with any regularity anymore, in this place, without being called out on it.

Adorable, but embarrassing.

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Strazdas1@reddit

Do you just want hardware reviews

Yes.

With what money are you buying that hardware? 600 dollars for DDR5 seems normal to me!

I have an actual job, so thats not an issue.

The consumer space is in the worst state ive ever seen it

Its nowhere even close to some of the situations were been in in the past few decades.

Do we share the same reality?

Clearly not, you are living in some imaginary land.

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TrippleDamage@reddit

Yes, I want just reviews. What kinda dumb question is that?

Completely irrelevant fictional scenario.

Content creators don't all have to serve the same content. And they don't exist to serve you. (I mean you as in everyone, not you as an individual.)

As with all things, sometimes things get stale. Sometimes focus shifts because what you were doing before no longer inspires you the way it did previously.

All this to say, GNs shift towards more editorial and journalistic comment and less focus on specific hardware reviews is pretty obviously Steve's passion at this time. You can see it in the way the content is made and the commitment he has towards it.

I like GN for the depth of the content. They don't post shallow surface level reviews, and their tours, and investigative content gives people a REAL look in to the industry that serves us. This shift has only made me enjoy GN more.

GN isn't McDonalds and they aren't obligated to keep serving the Big Mac.

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KARMAAACS@reddit

Completely irrelevant fictional scenario.

I guess you never heard of an analogy???

Content creators don't all have to serve the same content. And they don't exist to serve you. (I mean you as in everyone, not you as an individual.)

I literally tune into Adam Cooks to watch him making cooking videos, if he pivoted away from cooking videos, or if HDTVTest stopped making TV reviews and instead just started making videos about rollercoasters, the point of the channel loses it's meaning. You build an audience off a certain set of content that you make and there's an expectation that you set that you're going to continue making that content for your audience.

As with all things, sometimes things get stale. Sometimes focus shifts because what you were doing before no longer inspires you the way it did previously.

There is literally nothing stale about constantly reviewing a new tech product that no one has the ability to purchase yet because it's not out yet or doing in depth testing of existing products either. There's literally hundreds of computer fans, cases, coolers or other stuff without any good reviews, GN has all the equipment to do reviews on them and get good data. There's lots of content they could do that fulfils how they built GN's audience, the pivot is intentional.

All this to say, GNs shift towards more editorial and journalistic comment and less focus on specific hardware reviews is pretty obviously Steve's passion at this time.

A reason a lot of people on this sub have tuned out. We subbed for reviews and technical testing, not rants about politics and ideology about how companies should interact with consumers. That being said they picked up a lot of new viewers, so I wish them luck but from what we've seen, that audience won't stay around forever, once the AI bubble trend goes away who knows if they will stay.

You can see it in the way the content is made and the commitment he has towards it.

Okay, and? Like I said with my McDonald's analogy, you go to a certain service or venue or business because it provides that service, product or quality, if they pivot to something else, people who were using that service or were it's customers or audience have every right to be upset and voice their concerns about the change.

I like GN for the depth of the content. They don't post shallow surface level reviews, and their tours, and investigative content gives people a REAL look in to the industry that serves us. This shift has only made me enjoy GN more.

I think we know the REAL reason why the pivot has happened and I think the data speaks for itself.

NycAlex@reddit

i'm surprised people haven't caught this yet.

No corpo care about you; they’ll ditch you for an enterprise customer the moment they get the chance. Biggest of all em is valve who gets free pass like no other but you get crucified for saying that :b

Funny one steve got blacklisted by Nvidia and another now by AMD

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Mihtaren@reddit

Hey leave some cheese on the corpo dick for me

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Darksider123@reddit

In two days, this sub will forget about this and complain again that GN is pro AMD

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2FastHaste@reddit

Nah GN just is anti AI.

Since NVIDIA was more associated with AI then AMD before, they were mostly unfair towards NVIDIA, but now they're both targets like any companies that deal in some way with AI.

That's the whole editorial line. AI = bad.

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PastaPandaSimon@reddit

Most consumers are sceptical of AI. There are tons of surveys, and most people now say they distrust or otherwise view AI negatively.

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Strazdas1@reddit

only in the US and western europe. If you look at global studies most of the world is actually positive and hopeful about AI.

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2FastHaste@reddit

Sure. But he's supposed to be a tech expert and have a much more refined opinion than the average viewer.

Otherwise, there is no point.

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Occulto@reddit

it quickly was extremely colored by Steve personal bias against everything AI and on top of that it became more and more unbalanced and rhetorical rather than factual.

Steve gives his viewers what they want to hear. And over the years GN's editorial content feels more like pandering to the crowd baying for blood than anything else. There are times when GN almost feels like the tech equivalent of Fox News.

I mean, a loyal fanbase who tune in every week to have their preconceptions reinforced pays the bills, but doesn't make for great journalism.

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jb12jb@reddit

So every single mainstream news outlet then.and increasingly many independent ones too.

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Occulto@reddit

The irony here, is that Steve would publish a 2 hour rant if a company tried to use: "our product may be shit, but everyone else's products are also shit," as an excuse.

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TheRealSeeThruHead@reddit

Agreed

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Hipcatjack@reddit

literally going through these comments like bot farms astro turffing GN Hate again 🤣.

NapsterKnowHow@reddit

Don't put someone up on a pedestal like this. It is not healthy.

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atape_1@reddit

Thanks Steve!

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2FastHaste@reddit

Really? The anti-AI discourse is everywhere 24/7
It's pandering to people's deep fear that us humans aren't special. Not only we are not at the center of the universe, not only free will is an illusion but science and tech is now showing us that even intelligence isn't magic.

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"Buy an ARC card, you can overlook the fact that it doesn't really work well because you're supporting a small brand!"

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Winter_Pepper7193@reddit

Ive got the feeling "amd unboxed" wont have this kind of problems

eheh

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doscomputer@reddit

man mods delete every comment off a post by the literal EFF meanwhile this thread is objectively being brigaded and its been 7 hours

f1rstx@reddit

lmao

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Flynny123@reddit

AMD are pretty shitty but I am not surprised that companies who don't need to are second-guessing sending review parts to a guy speedrunning a descent into Howard Finch in Network.

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ElementII5@reddit

Disgusting! Do better AMD!

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rebelSun25@reddit

I haven't seen it, and without reading comments, I'll play the game of "Guess The Villain":

"AMD didn't like certain media personalities and their coverage of AMD, so they used dirty tactics to get back at them"

I'll be back to report how close I was

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BraveEmployment8652@reddit

Dude can't even review a CPU without being a drama queen.

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BestReeb@reddit

Pretty sad to see hardware enthusiasm is only about favorism now. These companies can't even sell one piece of hardware to a regular customer, it's only whales and AI datacenters. I hope all these companies crash and burn..