ULPT request: Psychiatrist made me go to rehab

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bughousenut@reddit

I'm sure you have left out a lot of details here. By law, a psychiatrist (or mental health professional) is a mandatory reporter if you are a threat to yourself or anyone else.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

This is not true for substance use in my state!

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That may not technically be true for substamce use alone, but dual diagnosis (mental illness dx + substance use) is often treated differently. It's also treated differently if you're considered a part of a vulnerable group of some kind, or in charge of caring for others in some caretaker role personally or professionally. It really depends.

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Yes-Boi_Yes_Bout@reddit

I think you should just be smart about the debt. Research the correct way to pay medical debt. DO NOT deplete your savings paying it. Get on a payment plan or settle for a much lower sum.

No way fucking rehab actually costs 100k. Theyre just making that number up.

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OneSmallTrauma@reddit

Good luck with that one, you more than likely misinterpreted directions. Not trying to be rude, just being honest.

A good pro tip would be to not create a trail of abusing substances if you're going to try and bully a physician out of their license, as a lay person.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Lmao ik, I feel like he called me twice at my most vulnerable time tho

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OneSmallTrauma@reddit

Regardless of what happened between you and your doc, this is the situation you're in my dude. Best bet is to find out what you can do to get yourself out of it. There are plenty of unethical tips on how to get yourself out of debt if you want to try reposting for that advise.

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beuceydubs@reddit

He sectioned you? What does that mean?

Sounds like you were on the phone and he told you to go to the nearest emergency room and so…you did Then somehow later, you, on your own, agreed to enroll yourself in a $100k rehab program And now you’re wondering if he can lose his license for this?

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shamshonite@reddit

If you’re from the US I assume it’s the same as a 5150

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beuceydubs@reddit

Never heard of this either. It’s definitely state specific and not a US term. In Florida it’s Baker Acting someone, in NYC we just hospitalized

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onwardtowaffles@reddit

CA has Section 5150, but "sectioning" is mostly a Commonwealth term.

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hahahahakkkkkkk@reddit

crazy, the only place i've heard of calling it a 5150 was living in nyc

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Deny-Degrade-Disrupt@reddit

Baker act is another

Just know that your state has a way for people to say things about you and, without a chance to prove them wrong you can be shoved in a mental institution AND given a bill afterwards

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beuceydubs@reddit

I’m a mental health professional, I’m aware. In this case it doesn’t sound like that’s what happened

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Mental-Nothings@reddit

In Canada (Ontario specifically) it’s a form 1 for a 72 hour hold and form 3 for long term (min 2 weeks)

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plzdontlietomee@reddit

It's a well known phrase in mental health. It means involuntarily admitted into a facility, usually due to danger to self or others. Though it usually doesn't extend to longterm rehab programs, as you mentioned.

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beuceydubs@reddit

Maybe it’s a regional thing, I’ve been a mental health professional for 15 years and I’ve never heard that term. It also doesn’t make sense. The doctor told OP on the phone to go to the hospital, and they did, that is not an involuntary admission. OP then somehow ended up at a rehab program, that you cannot force anyone into.

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MountainDoit@reddit

It really must be regional then, pretty much everybody I know including myself(me and most of my friends are in and around the mental healthcare system a lot lol)almost always say sectioned or chaptered when we talk about being involuntarily committed. I thought that was just the common term tbh

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onwardtowaffles@reddit

"Sectioning" specifically refers to mandatory treatment under the 1983 Mental Health Act in the UK. It's occasionally used colloquially in other English-speaking countries, but it's mostly a British thing.

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Sea_Echidna_790@reddit

It's standard in English speaking countries outside the US

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DuckRubberDuck@reddit

I am not a native English speaker so it took me a while to figure out what I meant the first time I heard it as well. I would just say “got sent to the psych ward”

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stohelitstorytelling@reddit

It's what is used in California, referencing Section 5150.

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Zombie_Gorion@reddit

If OP voluntarily went to an ER after getting off the phone, that means they weren't sectioned. You'll KNOW when you've been sectioned.

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

But OP admitted himself.

That’s not sectioning someone.

The doc told him to go to the ER because he was legally bound to say that when a patient calls in crisis.

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youy23@reddit

I’ve been in the room a lot for ER docs/nurses telling the patient you either go voluntarily or involuntarily or telling the patient they have to go when no Emergency Detention Order exists yet.

Sometimes they had legit reasons and probably could get an Emergency Detention Order, a lot of times, they would not have been able to get an Emergency Detention Order but they say it that way so that the doc/hospital isn’t liable and the problem goes away.

Just releasing someone always carries a high risk/liability but it is extremely rare for an organization/company to be successfully sued for bullying people into treatment.

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Zombie_Gorion@reddit

Also, if OP voluntarily went to an ER after getting off the phone, that means they weren't sectioned. You'll KNOW when you've been sectioned.

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beuceydubs@reddit

Exactly

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FrescoInkwash@reddit

sectioned under the mental health act its a british term and none of this post makes sense

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

It’s a term used in the US psych system.

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stohelitstorytelling@reddit

While "sectioned" is often used in British English, the California term originates from Section 5150 of the Lanterman-Petris-Short (LPS) Act.

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SoupNintendoChalmers@reddit

Yeah... I'm guessing we don't have the most reliable narrator here.

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metalflygon08@reddit

Yeah, OP's in an emotional state, adding on some underlaying mental issues, and they're going to irrationally ask for advice and "forget" some vital parts of the story or remember things wrong.

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liketreesintheforest@reddit

I get being furious at being stuck with a $100k bill when that's a hysterically unreasonable amount for someone to assume the average person is able to pay. I knew someone who went to the doctor for a series of tests that the office promised insurance would completely cover who was then stuck with bills totaling in the thousands. With no ability to pay, working a menial job and living in a crappy area, they tried to work out a payment plan but the doctor's office refused anything less than hundreds a month that this person didn't have, and sent it to collections. After disconnecting their phone number and getting a new one, and a move soon after, along with not answering unknown numbers or doorbell rings, that debt simply disappeared.

Is that an unethical tip? Well,

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vanchica@reddit

Talk to a lawyer who is excited to sue a wealthy doctor.

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Wide__Stance@reddit

Why? There’s nothing to sue for. OP wasn’t damaged — just stuck with a big bill. There’s literally nothing here to sue over. The doctor didn’t charge him $100,000. OP hasn’t even lost any money yet.

What are OP’s damages? “I was on drugs and I wanted to be on drugs, and my doctor said I should go to the ER so I don’t die from the drugs, so I did, and then the ER convinced me to stop taking drugs, so I quit taking drugs in rehab, and now I’m mad that I’m not on drugs because I still want to be on drugs?”

OP will probably need a lawyer to defend him when the rehab sues him for not paying his bills.

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FormidableMistress@reddit

Let's not forget the whole reason for all of this is because of OP's drug use. Dude's not taking accountability at all.

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vanchica@reddit

Juries are fantastically unpredictable.

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Craigglesofdoom@reddit

Lol psychiatrists are not the wealthy type of doctors

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BelCantoTenor@reddit

Not true. Psychiatrists are MDs and average about $350,000/year in the US. You may be thinking of psychologists.

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Craigglesofdoom@reddit

Lol you have no idea what you're talking about. I have several family members who do this work. None of them are making over $100k, I can guarantee it.

Maybe if you own your own practice and have several other LCSWs working under you so you can skim 25% off all their patient payments. And get kickbacks from prescriptions (illegal btw). And sell "life coaching" services.

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BusBusy195@reddit

Not that I dont believe that people you know only make that much but where do you live and stuff? The official bureau of labor statistics lists an average salary in the US of about 240k. Granted thats nothing crazy in today's economy but its significantly higher than what you're saying so im wondering if its due to location or if theres some detail the site is leaving out?

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SunnyDiesel@reddit

lol $350k annually? No chance in hell

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IWasJustThinkingofU@reddit

Loser. My wife doesn't take insurance and you can almost double that number for her

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Craigglesofdoom@reddit

This is not the flex you think it is

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SunnyDiesel@reddit

lol ok bud. Whatever you say

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

People want to believe that psychiatrists are extremely wealthy as it lets them still see these doctors on a godlike level, above everyone else.

If they all knew these docs didn’t make a ton, the godlike illusion would be gone.

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SunnyDiesel@reddit

Bingo

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Thebluefairie@reddit

Neither are psychologists.

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IWasJustThinkingofU@reddit

Okay, those guy don't. They're so far below psychiatrists on the earning scale it's inane to put them in the same thought money-wise.

A good therapist can make more.

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InfoSecPeezy@reddit

Frajer lied?

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Craigglesofdoom@reddit

I mean, there are certainly psychiatrists and psychologists who find ways of becoming wealthy from the practice, but it is far from the norm. Mental health professionals are not very well paid. Insurance pays very poorly. Unless you corner a wealthy self-pay market or supplement yourself by becoming a radio self-help host, you're probably not going to clear average income levels.

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snowmanonaraindeer@reddit

You're confusing psychotherapists with psychologists. Clinical psychologists make pretty decent money, though their grad programs can be expensive, and not nearly as much as psychologists. And psychotherapists are underpaid for what they do, but absolutely speaking they're not terribly paid.

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Craigglesofdoom@reddit

I have close friends and several family members who are psychiatrists and social workers/therapists. They are not wealthy. You are being deliberately misinformed by a system which does not value mental health.

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snowmanonaraindeer@reddit

I suppose you're not an American? If your psychiatrist friends are Americans, I assure you that is not the norm

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

Well, yes.

And Niles was wealthy because of Maris mainly, and not because of his profession.

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Future-Excuse6167@reddit

Maybe they're gettiing a kickback from the rehab.

Judges have been known to do worse.

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Craigglesofdoom@reddit

This is the likely scenario, for sure. OP needs a medical malpractice attorney to investigate.

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Quirky-Invite7664@reddit

Directing a patient to the ER or recommending rehab isn’t malpractice, lol.

If anything, NOT recommending rehab for a patient who needs it could potentially be malpractice.

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Becaus789@reddit

Maybe. Could likely be they are lazy and there’s much less paperwork for a voluntary. They may also feel they are doing you a solid in sparing you the troubles that come with being petitioned.

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OhMyMaladies@reddit

They are absolutely lying. If not, sue. But I wouldn't bet on it

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zLampShade@reddit

We're more of a piss disk and fart spray group.

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penywisexx@reddit

I guess he could fuck his Dad?

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kungfungus@reddit

If we're really gonna help him we need to digg deeper. So he shoud def fuck the mom too.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Im a 25 yo girl, I ran a background check and now ik where is dad lives. Maybe its time for a baby lol

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kungfungus@reddit

Hahaha brilliant

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heathercs34@reddit

And his wife and sister too

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InstanceMental6543@reddit

Since he's a psychiatrist, it would be truly fitting.

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adognameddanzig@reddit

Also putting shrimp in places.

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Impossible_Volume811@reddit

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DeerOnARoof@reddit

We don't need AI slop

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Impossible_Volume811@reddit

Not ethical enough for ya? Anyway it took me genuine time and effort to make it, more than your generic auto response.

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daemonfool@reddit

MS paint it next time. It'd be more appreciated.

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layzer5@reddit

Nah bro. Thats WAY to advanced. Stone carvings or no balls.

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daemonfool@reddit

... to be fair stone carvings would be VERY impressive.

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pWaveShadowZone@reddit

I loved it

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DeerOnARoof@reddit

😂

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CptBronzeBalls@reddit

For that matter, the “AI slop” posts contribute nothing to the discussion either.

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ChickenPicture@reddit

Unlike the top comment, which is very helpful and not a circle jerk response at all.

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CptBronzeBalls@reddit

At least it’s funny.

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OldUncleDaveO@reddit

I don’t think a milk injection would get the point across in this case either

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GhostWalker134@reddit

OP Needs to use substances even harder to teach the psychiatrist a lesson.

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Ok_Initial_2063@reddit

Counselor-in-training here with multiple Addictions courses and an undergrad degree in psychology.

The only way a psychiatrist can "section" you is with an assessment or if you are a risk to yourself or others with your behavior. (Like with a plan and means to do harm risky). Depending on the area, law enforcement and the ER would likely need to be involved once the call by the clinician is made to them for a thorough assessment, stabilization, referrals, etc.

This call is not to the patient/client and not forced for the most part for a substance use disorders as we have autonomy for the patient/client in our codes of ethics. It can be a gray area, and OP may have misunderstood or genuinely needed intervention to prevent harms.

As far as the bill, there are programs social workers can help you find and apply for. Talk to the case worker at the facility and go from there.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Thanks, yeah he told me I was sectioned verbally but never filled out the paperwork and refuses to provide documentation on the call 😭😭 all i have is my word and the call log😔

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Ok_Initial_2063@reddit

Talk to the social worker. They will have the laws, statues, and codes that apply to your case, diagnoses, medical records, etc. Start there and see what they offer. I understand it is stressful but it is a start.

Calling 211 may offer information on access to resources in your area if you are in the US. It can be challenging to navigate. I am heading you are frustrated and feeling stuck. Is that right?

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

That you, yes. I need a patient advocate😭

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Ok_Initial_2063@reddit

It is understandable and overwhelming and it sounds like you have been through a lot lately. I am proud you are still trying to advocate for yourself by reaching out. You have made it this far and have more of an idea where to turn now. Either the facility where you were or 211 may be able to help you find the information you need for your area to get an advocate or case worker. Hang in there and good luck in your recovery and treatment process. It isnt easy but it is worth it.

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macetheface@reddit

The program cost $100,000 (insurance didnt cover it)

the what now. come again?

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Residential treatment at a hospital is sooooo expensive. If I had time to plan and pick my own rehab I would have chosen one covered by my insurance

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Wide__Stance@reddit

Do you have contemporaneous documentation of the phone call?

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

No, just the call logs😔

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Perfect-Resist5478@reddit

Are you in the US? Cuz if you are that’s 100% not how that works. In order to petition & certify someone you need the signature of TWO physicians on an actual paper document detailing how the person is a danger to themselves or others.

So yeah, if you’re in the states you’re lying

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

He told me verbally on the phone that i must go to my nearest emergency room. But he never filled out the paperwork. Its more that he tricked me

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

You weren’t sectioned. Sectioning someone is a bigger process than you just going to the ER.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

So why did he say i had to go, to not make him do something against my will?

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Perfect-Resist5478@reddit

How was he going to make you? Put a theoretical gun to your head through the phone?

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

He said he was going to send an ambulance if I didnt go. I should have made him so there was a record😔

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Perfect-Resist5478@reddit

Still doesn’t make any sense. In order to be sectioned you need 2 docs to sign off (and by that I mean physically sign an actual piece of paper). Sounds like he tricked you into sending yourself to rehab

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Yes. Thats basically it, I feel that he abused his authority as a physician to order me. Im an idiot for listening, but that's not what hes fucking getting payed to do😭

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eggington69@reddit

Talk to a lawyer. You shouldn’t be concerned with revenge/making him lose his license, you should only care about justice which would mean not having to pay for this and making him face (reasonable) consequences that hopefully prevent him from doing this again to anyone else.

Like someone else said, holding onto this anger you have for him is not good for your sobriety. You’re allowed to be angry at the situation, this is really unfair to you, but being angry at him and wanting revenge just is not productive.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

I spoke to a lawyer, they said they wouldnt pursue it and reccomended i fill out a complaint with the dept on health for a hippa violation abt the failure to document

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imreallysuchalady@reddit

curious why you went voluntarily...I can understand the insurance part of your story, because my friend was sectioned before and they never got her insurance information (or at least, when she got the bill they didn't apply insurance). Are you sure insurance doesn't cover it at all?

If you went yourself and weren't taken by police or EMS, then why did you go? Was it because of the drugs? If your psychiatrist got involved, there would be record of him calling the emergency room and notifying them to section you based on whatever criteria.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Because he told me I had to, I was in a really vulnerable place. He called me once and i didnt pick up. He called me again and i picked up 😔 im 25 and a girl I feel like he bossed me around to boost his own ego as a dr

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adognameddanzig@reddit

Put drugs in his coffee and sanction him back!

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Dude I wish😅

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SunnyDiesel@reddit

Hold up: your psych encouraged you to go to ER… we’re missing steps for you then going to rehab. Bc ER ain’t rehab. Also, it’s on YOU to verify insurance coverage, so stop playing victim.

You’re mad that your psych wants your to clean up, and now you dont like contingencies of your choices (sober or not) and want to punish your psychiatrist?

Lol best of luck bro. Clean up.

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DuckRubberDuck@reddit

Not related to OP but a general question here: is it really on the patient to verify that they have insurance cover when they go to a psych ward? People are generally very, very out of it when they are at a psych ward. I often meet a woman when I’m admitted, she’s so psychotic half of the time she can’t remember she has a husband and a child. She walks around naked sometimes. I have met Jesus. I have met a medieval princess. I’m glad we don’t pay for our stays here in my country because there’s no way they would be able to verify insurance cover

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Faustian-BargainBin@reddit

Can't speak to everywhere but at the psychiatric units where I've worked the case managers will get state insurance coverage for them if they don't have it. I've never heard of any patient needing to pay out of pocket for an inpatient psych admission. Some of the substance use rehabs are predatory but the hospital would not typically refer a patient to a private, cash pay program like that.

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SunnyDiesel@reddit

As person that mentally unstable, like the one you describe, likely has (or should have) a care team through their county (strictly talking US btw). A guardian ad litem should be had, too, to assist with making choices for the patient’s best interests. Yes, it is always the policy holder’s responsibility to verify coverage bc the US’s healthcare system is fucked up bc “for profit” and what is in-network or out-of-network. It’s confusing as hell. Also, clinics/agencies that specialize in mental health (or hospital wards) take insurance and would verify coverage and a benefits of the policy holder (patient).

Only a shady as fuck place that does NOT accept insurance will accept a person and run up a bill for them like OP states. These places are significantly found in Florida and are predatory as fuck bc they aren’t licensed.

Thats why I’m saying OP is full of shit

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DuckRubberDuck@reddit

Thank you for explaining, that does make sense, I think. But sometimes psychosis just happens before people can prepare so in those situations they might not have a care team. In my country we have social/case workers in all wards to help with legal stuff (not insurance but work and payment related usually)

(There are typically signs before you get psychotic! But if you haven’t learned to recognize those signs or the people around you don’t recognize the signs it can look like it came out of the blue)

The US healthcare system has always confused me. Our psychiatric system kind of suck in my country but I am so grateful I don’t have to pay for it at least. I would have gotten bankrupt multiple times and probably died on the street because I couldn’t pay if I had lived in the US

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

They will discuss finances with you before being admitted to rehab. OP says he went to rehab which is not the same as a psych ward in a hospital, although he likely would have been there first.

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superpoongoon@reddit

He’s just mentally unwell and needs to get better. Trying to harm his doctor because of misdirected anger.

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Roz150@reddit

I’m surprised the rehab didn’t throw you out when insurance ran out. It is rare they would let you stay without proof of ability to pay. To me the rehab created your problem. I hope it was helpful and you are able to stay clean/sober. That is not a snarky comment. I do mean that. Resentment isn’t good for sustained sobriety. Maybe file bankruptcy and move on.

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AssDimple@reddit

No....the guy who gets high and calls his psychiatrist created this problem.

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zillabirdblue@reddit

Calling a psychiatrist while high and spiraling isn’t a stupid thing to do.

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AssDimple@reddit

Im not saying it is. Im saying that this isnt a problem that was first created by the rehab.

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Responsible_Dentist3@reddit

The financial problem (the only problem under discussion here) sure was created by the rehab, & dr.

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Dull_Banana1377@reddit

As a former drug addict OP created the problem when he started using.

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National_Joke4849@reddit

Man that doesn't even sound dystopian anymore is just is dystopian, not getting the care you need because you can't pay for it just makes my blood boil.

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

Yes, it is odd. Usually they do an evaluate very few days to ensure continued treatment payments and then notify you if insurance says you’re not qualified to be there.

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Brownassmexican@reddit

Hmm I have worked at different rehabs and they always check your insurance so they don't loose out on money. If the client doesn't have the insurance they even check county programs that could sponsor client before getting admitted. There's been 1 time were the client was admitted before funding was secured so they kept the client for a month instead of 3 and cut their loss

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Bud_The_Weiser@reddit

Mmmm in my experience insurance doesn’t usually cover substance abuse rehab at all, or at least not anywhere close to all of it.

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extralyfe@reddit

the big commercial plans all cover it at the same rate they would any other service.

you might have an employer whose custom plan doesn't cover treatment related to substance abuse, but, that's an employer decision rather than an insurance one.

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Bud_The_Weiser@reddit

Meh. Possibly. - it may have had to do with my insurance at the time and the particular facility I landed in as well.

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extralyfe@reddit

yeah, I worked in that field and there was a nationwidr trucking company that specifically didn't cover anything related to substance abuse becuse they wanted to give the impression that they were zero-tolerance about the topic.

it always stuck out in my mind because they ended up changing their plan very soon after an executive's family member ended up in rehab and they started getting denied claims for the ridiculously upscale facility they'd sent them to - the C-Suite started raising hell with the insurance company only for them to pull out the list of treatments that the company had specifically asked to be not covered shen they created the plan.

I'm sure other industries have places that do this. many religious organizations choose not to cover anything to do with birth control, for instance.

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Bud_The_Weiser@reddit

True. This was by no means a high end facility, but it was part of a larger hospital system and I think it had to do with the fact that I went voluntarily without a doctor’s recommendation my insurance decided not to foot the bill.

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Iapd@reddit

You need new insurance 💀 Most insurances cover it because it ends up being less expensive than jaundice and a liver transplant

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mopbuvket@reddit

You wouldn't make any progress from a legal point of view, you'd have to get real twisted. Planting illegal material in their office/ car, set up appointments with fake people to waste their time, the standard call and mail campaigns, review siege the practice etc

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Bud_The_Weiser@reddit

you realize I’m not the op right?

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mopbuvket@reddit

I did not i guess. No coffee yet my b

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kingtacticool@reddit

My insurance is covering most of my treatment at the moment. Been through 90 days so far with 2500 out of pocket. Im in Florida

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Bud_The_Weiser@reddit

I guess it all depends on individual situation, what state you’re in and the facility itself. The facility I was in for 30 days wasn’t covered at all. Then the second facility I was in, I was active duty military so that was obviously completely covered.

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Shell-Fire@reddit

Post in the legal advice sub.

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Retired_Rugger@reddit

You should be asking for legitimate advice on medical and legal subs. First place I think you should start though is contacting your phone company and seeing if you can get a transcript of your call. You’ll also want to file a complaint to a medical board about him and see if they can help get a transcript of your phone call.

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Retired_Rugger@reddit

On further review spurred on by the comments, I have learned I am more paranoid than I thought. Apologies, there will only be metadata of your call not a recording.

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davissquaresom@reddit (OP)

Awe😭😭

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Flux_My_Capacitor@reddit

That’s illegal wire tapping.

I’m sort of amazed that you think the phone company is recording all of our calls.

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FlattopJr@reddit

Why would the phone company have a transcript of their call?

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Quirky-Invite7664@reddit

The medical board won’t do anything. It’s a patient’s responsibility to understand his insurance.

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MeetTheBeat360@reddit

After reviewing all the comments I think fucking his dad is really your only option.

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Tweedldum@reddit

So if he told you that you had to go the nearest er just for drug use then I would’ve told him to fuck off. You did actually go of your own free will. You weren’t forced with police and an ambulance then it was your own choice. Sorry man but you gotta take the L and life and learn.

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five5andtwo2@reddit

Not unethical (sorry) - Review your intake paperwork for the rehab and see if the referral is documented there.

Otherwise, prioritize your recovery. Debt is just a concept. Protect your peace.

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itshairybaby@reddit

The rehab put you in this financial situation, I mean aside from yourself for actually checking into a rehab in the first place. As someone who struggled with addiction and has been to short term and long term programs in and out of my own state of residence. I am surprised that you weren’t informed that your insurance wasn’t covering you. The rehabs will usually discharge you/kick you out immediately if your insurance doesn’t cover you because they want to fill that bed with somebody that has insurance to cover the cost. I would suggest you start making phone calls and seeing what if anything you can do to have it covered before filing bankruptcy. Look at state programs, look for loopholes in your insurance.

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Delicious_Peace_2526@reddit

Just focus on making your life better.

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RonPalancik@reddit

They tried to make me go to rehab.

I said no.

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FrescoInkwash@reddit

something wrong here. you were sectioned but you pay in dollars? rehab took you without checking your insurance would pay? hmm.

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themobiledeceased2@reddit

Worthless pursuit when you likely have bigger immediate issues.

If sectioned: your version of events isn't reliable. A firm paper trail exists. Involunatarily admissions follow medicolegal processes:a hold to eval phase of 3-ish days that can extend. Staying 100 days involuntary: no one will take your case too much medical documentation of why you lost decision making capacity.

100 days of voluntary means you agreed.

The unethical tip you need is stop looking for unethical methods. Likely what got you where you are..

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A_Kazur@reddit

Makes a post, doesn’t get the response he wanted, leaves no comments.

Classic ULPT OP!!

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pauloseshetu@reddit

...I said no, no, no!

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Timmerdogg@reddit

Poop on their porch

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Lkn4it@reddit

Get lawyer. Lawyer sues. Psychiatrist’s insurance settles out of court. Psychiatrist can’t practice because no insurance company will cover him.

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bauhaus83i@reddit

No lawyer will waste their time or money on this nonsense

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Lkn4it@reddit

I have seen this happen. There was no real case. The insurance company never contacted the doctor. Insurance paid. Doctor could no longer get malpractice insurance.

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bauhaus83i@reddit

I highly doubt this. Medical malpractice insurance, unlike auto insurance, requires the consent of the insured. Meaning the insurance company cannot settle without the doctors consent. The doctor would not consent if the case does not have merit because not only doesn’t affect their premiums, it becomes public record and can affect their hospital admitting privileges. Medal case cases don’t settle very often for these reasons. I used to practice medical malpractice law.

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Lkn4it@reddit

I have seen this happen. The receptionist sent the patient packing for good reason. The doctor was never aware of the patient or a lawsuit until he was notified that his insurance was canceled.

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Popular-Capital6330@reddit

There are hungry, unemployed lawyers in EVERY major city. You would be shocked at what you can get them to do.😊

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bauhaus83i@reddit

It costs tens of thousands of dollars to take a med mal case to trial. Neither OP nor a hungry atty are going to front those costs.

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Quirky-Invite7664@reddit

Nor will a medical board.

It’s not malpractice for a doctor to instruct a patient to go to an ER when deemed medically necessary or for a patient to be billed by their insurance for treatment they received.

A medical board and lawyers would roll their eyes at this complaint.

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SunnyDiesel@reddit

Yeah that’s not how things will unfold. Sorry

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D1rtyH1ppy@reddit

If you voluntarily went to rehab, then you can voluntarily leave rehab or not show up at all.

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ironicmirror@reddit

Surely you have your phone records showing you were talking to him for 45 minutes?

I am sure the licensing board would be interested to see that along with the paper where he states he did not talk to you.

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regularforcesmedic@reddit

You did go voluntarily. Unless EMS brought you against your will, you checked yourself in to get help. That's a voluntary admission.

Were you under the influence when you called your provider?

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