Thanks to Mossad. But it's not really that they knew it before it happened. Zombie cases were already happening but were ignored or censored by local governments. Mossad being Mossad saw through everything and put together the first comprehensive report of the virus.
>build a wall around Jerusalem
Not just Jerusalem, the entire country was on voluntary lockdown. And it never fell to the zombies like in the movie. There was instead a civil war because the government let refugees in and some people were pissed. But it was contained and that's it.
>tell no one
They told everyone. Announced at the UN and everything. But no one believed them until it's too late.
The problem is that all this information is only given in the book, and also only really works in the context of the book (where the way the zombie apocalypse unfolds is completely different from the movie).
In the book societal collapse is a very slow burn, so it makes sense that Israel would have the time to figure out what's happening, that the rest of the world would be in disbelief and not take them seriously, and that Israel would have the time to lock down. In the book the zombies are the classic type, slow and dangerous because of numbers and infection rate more than anything, so it makes sense Israel has the time to hold them back while walling up. In the book a huge issue with the infection is how long it takes, which is how it spreads globally before anyone notices, so it makes sense to have checkpoints where dogs are being used to sniff the infection out and keep the quarantine zone clear (IIRC we do see a glance of dogs being used like this in the movie as well).
But in the movie, no clear timeline is given and the apocalypse seems to happen in days or weeks due to how quickly it spreads, so it makes no real sense that Mossad gets enough of an early warning to actually wall up and keep Israel quarantined. Not enough time between "rumours of zombies" and "holy shit zombies everywhere" for the intelligence community to mistrust Israel. Zombies are speed demons so it's unclear when or how Israel got the time to build up the massive walls. A huge plot point is that in the movie the infection takes just seconds to turn someone into a zombie, so it makes no sense for them to be setting up these checkpoints during ingress to slow down the intake of refugees while zombies are literally crawling all around, and the dogs would be completely useless. And a lot of focus is also given to the problems this caused in Israeli society, with a civil war erupting.
So the movie really wanted to have its "Israel is important and the most efficient at handling zombies!" moment but changes every detail of the context around it, so what in the book was "the Israeli were the only ones smart enough to figure this out, paranoid enough to take it seriously, and nice enough to warn everyone else but the rest of the world didn't trust them, and all of this at a huge cost as a country" in the movie becomes "ok Israel must have known this shit was gonna happen because no one can build that fortress in a day, and they didn't tell anyone? Also apparently everything is working perfectly and their downfall literally just happens because they decided to treat Palestinians equally". It's such a mess.
Does the book explain how zombies are able to spread from community to community, despite the often long distances and natural obstacles between them? Like, how long were zombies wandering through thousands of miles of Sahara desert to find Timbuktu?
They actually do. It's been years since I last read the book so the details are escaping me, but the general idea is this:
-The virus is really infectious but slow to spread in the body, depending on a lot of factors (eg where you are bitten). So people moving around while being unknowingly infected becomes a problem.
-The virus can survive on bodyparts outside of the body. So one of the first ways it spreads globally is via the organ black market. It originates in China where someone dies, their organs are harvested and sold to the highest bidder, some rich asshole gets their black market heart transplant in Brazil, and suddenly the zombies are spread in a different continent across the Ocean. Someone else gets some infected skin grafts in Turkey, may fly back home to the US with a layover in London (spreading the infection there), and only collapse and turn into a zombie days later while in their small rural community in Texas where no one has even heard the rumours about the zombie disease.
-Given how relatively easy to hide it is (infection due to slow spread, or even zombies themselves due to being classical slow zombies) a lot of refugees and people moving around have both the classical tropes "Im bitten but I'll hide it, I will probably get cured" and "my family member is infected or has turned into a zombie, I'll just lock them in the back of the car and pretend they're just sick or sleeping". The people smuggling them around (coyotes, human traffickers, etc) turn a blind eye even when they start to realize the truth because they are still getting paid and aren't known for their ethical backbone.
-The largest powers fumble the bag in every way possible. China is where the disease originates, and they try to keep it under wraps until the infection has spread too far and the country is on the verge of collapse. Russia keeps a tight information lockdown. The US first is in disbelief, then thinks they can contain the problem secretly via spec-ops and such because they don't want to spread panic and because, coming out of the WoT, they are worried about lacking the political capital to start another massive military undertaking, and only realize they need to take it more seriously once it's too late and you're having outbreaks everywhere. A lot of other powers/nations just are in denial, we hear a NATO supreme commander confess about how they just didn't believe the rumours at first because sure, there may be a viral outbreak or civil unrest or whatever, but the dead coming back to life to eat the living? That's ridiculous. Which is also why no one hears Israel's warnings (a big point being made about how uber-paranoid the Israeli intelligence community is, which is why they are the ones to take it seriously).
-Shady billionaire tries to make a quick buck promoting fake cures, which increases the problem of people hiding or underreporting infections, especially combined with the lack of proper information given by the governments until it's too late.
Combine all of this, and the book paints a believable version of a slow burning societal collapse where, by the time everyone realizes "this is the real deal, let's get our asses into gear", the zombies are basically popping up everywhere and no place is safe.
It's not very believable, but it is a decent enough explanation for a zombie story.
It's also funny seeing this with the benefit of COVID hindsight, where China were pretty on it in terms of managing disease compared to other countries, and where they certainly didn't pretend to not be having a pandemic.
I always thought a world war Z written in and set in 2020 would have a very different vibe from the mid 2000s original book. China is a far more competent nation these days, Israel has fallen further and further down the extremist path, in America… America is actually still the same as far as the book cares
Sadly not really, I'd love to find a similar book, especially since I've been getting back into the "zombie" mood lately.
The closest I can think of are:
1- The Zombie Survival Guide: Specifically the ending. It's the previous book from the WWZ author, but it's less of a narrative and instead formatted as, well, a survival guide for a world where the zombie virus is real (eg recommendations on which weapons to use, which vehicles are betters, how to deal with zombies underwater, etc). The end of the book though is more a series of narratives and are what inspired WWZ; it tells the story of different outbreaks through history (historical records of outbreaks in the Roman empire, secret use of zombies in WW2, travellers encountering them during the Age of Discovery, etc). It's told as part of the guide, so not first person narratives ("we in Legio IX held the hordes in Britannia") but instead journalistic investigations ("these remains tell the story of how Legio IX fought what we presume were zombies in ancient Britain"). It's pretty fun but a pretty short section of the book.
And one little detail, since I keep seeing it mentioned elsewhere: It does not take place in the same world as WWZ. Its from the same author, and there's some references as easter eggs, but it's pretty clear from the narratives that both books "happen" in completely different continuities.
2- Red Storm Rising, from Tom Clancy and Larry Bond. Very different from WWZ in that it's more a traditional narrative novel (as opposed to "fictional journalistic investigation" like in WWZ) and, well, it lacks the zombies. But slightly similar in that it covers a huge worldwide event (WW3 instead of WWZ) from a lot of different viewpoints (combatants, politicians, civilians, from the US, USSR, Germany, Iceland, etc) and it paints the big scale picture from these smaller scale narratives. Very "barely qualifies" suggestion but couldn't think of any other.
I dont know about your last point, but one of the early spreading methods was black market organ transplants from China. People woke up biting in other countries. Also human trafficking helped some "lightly" infected people get far away before revealing the issue.
The initial problem largely is the spread is concealed by China not wanting to admit to an issue and trying to smother it quietly.
It has a lot of serious parallels to Covid's spread.
You made very good point. Conspiracy time: the Palestine mess might be something that was added later, because without it, it's entirely plausible to think that the Israel had something to do with it. And Hollywood didn't want that to happen so the script was altered so that they're victims like everyone else
Are you sure? If I remember correctly the book had them randomly saving them from an orthodox revolt that they let the Palestinians in. It was the most unrealistic part of the book.
there’s also a scene that wasn’t mentioned in the movie where brad pitt’s character and his wife are in a starbucks (wayy before the outbreak) waiting for some coffees and sitting down at a table. Just normal talk and then brad pitt’s character shoves his hand under the table and starts fingerblasting his wife til she moans loud enough for everyone to hear.
Nah man they didn't do shit. Copying from second top comment
The Israelis intercepted encrypted communications coming from China about the undead and were paranoid enough to take it seriously rather than write it off as coded language like the rest of the intelligence community. They tried to warn some other countries, but the reports were largely ignored as alarmist nonsense.
Basically the entire world knew. Intelligence agencies heard China talking about zombies. Everybody said theres no way thats real zombies except Israel. They take it seriously because after the 1973 invasion they implemented the 10th man rule. If 9 officials agree on something the 10th has to disagree to prevent group think and prepare for anything. The 10th man arguing so effectively resulted in them taking it seriously.
I was curious as I watched the movie but never read the book, author of the book is Jewish (though American) and literally writes the plot point that Israel at first takes the threat seriously, but eventually falls because it lets Palestinians in and that causes a civil war between Orthodox Jews and Palestinians. Really can’t make this shit up lmao
Super wrong dude, the particular short story is literally told from the perspective of a formerly-radicalized Arab who was protected by an IDF soldier sacrificing his life as a body shield for him.
The story ends with the Arab, now a grown up, admitting he came to the realization that the hard choice was the right one and questing why more countries werent making hard choices too cause all of theirs were easier.
I believe he also became a university professor in Tel Aviv.
That's the most farfetched scenario I have ever heard.
And also godamn appalling. "Yeah israel was right stealing our land, committing genocide, building a wall, I only wish they had done it proper and let EVERYONE outside die. If only they, the IDF, hadn't been so generous and humane." like you can't even make shit up any worse
Movie- and book where israel are the smartest country on earth bar North Korea (lul) because they built the worlds largest concentration-camp because "ZOMBIES!"
Trust me, being part of a community or from a region gives you no inherent authority over topics of anything other than like what the basic customs or facts of your community/region are. Do you think a racist American is going to have the most enlightened and correct view of the history and present conditions of racism and race relations in American society ??
The least realistic part is the wall, IRL it’s not just around Jerusalem it also cuts out a huge chunk of Palestine land that was previous Palestinian until 2004 when they built it
I mean it's a fictional novel about the world literally being overrun by zombies. Also it's not like there aren't parralels for that kind of stuff through history and throughout all of warfare. Like the Christmas Truce, enemies facing annihilation on a battlefield can find comraderie.
Criticizing that book because of how it portrayed some Israeli Jews is fucking retarded. It's a work of fiction and in no way Zionist propaganda just because it painted a faceless IDF soldier in a good light at the end of the world.
Iirc, in the movie the Zombies end up climbing the wall because they are attracted by the noise of the celebrations in the streets of Jerusalem that happens because the Israelis and Palestinians finally managed to put their differences aside. Can't make this shit up.
Well movie showed that Palestinians came in made noises like singing, chanting etc in celebration and that led to fall of Jerusalem so they found a way to spread their propaganda I guess.
In the book they made a point of letting them in,
The chapter follows a palestinian from quatar whose father was born in current israely territories(by time of publication of the book) who is offered shelter in israel behind the wall by israel so his family evacuates to israel
Do people just know American psycho from memes? It’s painfully obvious that this is meant in a sarcastic way, just like bateman didn’t actually mean it in the movie, but just said it to impress
Once again the book actually bothers to explain something that gets handwaved away in the movie.
The Israelis intercepted encrypted communications coming from China about the undead and were paranoid enough to take it seriously rather than write it off as coded language. They tried to warn some other countries, but the reports were largely ignored as alarmist nonsense.
The entire first part of the book is pretty much the story of all the worst traits of human psychology and society coming together to expose us to a threat that would have been easily manageable in the beginning.
Absolutely. One of my favorites. Just be aware of the unconventional story structure, as you’ve probably put together from the comments it’s not one single narrative, but a collection of short interviews put together after the war.
The Israelis intercepted encrypted communications coming from China about the undead and were paranoid enough to take it seriously rather than write it off as coded language like the rest of the intelligence community. They tried to warn some other countries, but the reports were largely ignored as alarmist nonsense.
Israeli intelligence not fucking up? Unrealistic and unbelievable.
It is my favorite zombie book bar none (and Zombie Survival Guide is a close second). It is nothing like the movie (which I was SO disappointed in when watching it), and that is a good thing.
If you like the "follow the bread crumbs" kind of story, where more and more of the universe/plot is explored piece by piece, this whole book is A+. I think there was MAYBE one chapter I found boring while reading, but it was just a breather before you get right back into the action. If you go back and re read the confusing parts after finishing the book, there is so much extra information that you see hidden in plain daylight but essentially miss on first pass.
Yeah definitely. The movie was a totally generic action flick. The book has a few pages which are unrealistically optimistic about how Israel would actually treat Palestinian refugees but the entire rest of the book is amazing.
Id say its worth it. For the most part too, its like a kinda anthology on the same general event so you get all these different views with occasionally some overlap and such (like iirc, theres one discussing a radio team that has to hear all the nightmarish distress calls, and one of the calls is another persons story)
Ive backed this for years, if you were going to spend 150 million on a movie, why not just do some fake documentary with glimpses of awesome big budget scenes (we got absolutely robbed of Yonkers, or the indian bridge collapse)
Yep, if they were going to do on location filming too, they couldve showed Canada and all the people freezing, or really shelled out and did the submarine and beach scenes and such
It couldve been a long movie but fuck theres so much missed potential for visual spectacles or actually interesting stories
I wanted it to be like Ken Burns' "The Civil War", as the book is told in letters and after-the-fact testimonials. But, like "I, Robot", it was just used as a name grab rather than an adaptation.
While not exactly hand waved away the movie did explain it too briefly.
The dude spent like 2 minutes talking about the 10th man rule they adopted where Israel has a council of 10 officials that call the shots, and if 9 members agree on something in this case zombies being code words the tenth man would have to investigate the opposite assumption no matter how unlikely.
They also reference some past events some probably real (i wasn’t paying super close attention + not a history buff) as to why they took up the 10th man rule.
It took the dude 3 minutes of being prodded with questions before delivering this spiel then he died shortly after and it ended up being kinda irrelevant.
Believe the historical event was the Yom Kippur War, where they got majorly caught with their pants down because everyone looked at the intelligence and thought the Arabs wouldn't attack.
Unfortunately as I see it this kind of thing is generational. Almost exactly 50 years passed- most of the folks who personally learned the lessons of '73 would be long out of government by '23, and when you're used to those kind of attacks being caught or prevented it's too easy to slip out of the mindset that's been catching and preventing them.
While I’m not really going to engage on this topic, I will say that I’m not surprised they’re catching so much flak. Israel has been fumbling the PR game pretty hard lately.
Whether you feel it’s justified or not, their current behavior and messaging has obliterated their public perception and pissed off people that previously had no opinion one way or the other.
It's so weird how often the movie leaves out critical context given by the book which leaves the movie feeling confusing and ill explained. It would've taken like 2-3 minutes to co convey that in movie yet they omitted it for reasons nobody can understand. One of the worst book to movie adaptations ever made.
Just to add on to your comment. It’s highlighted that any threat no matter how absurd is investigated. The reason being was that in the past they had intelligence that was ignored. The intelligence was information of what would become the 1967 six day war that nearly wiped Israel out. Israel in the books encouraged people they had displaced to return to their ancestral homeland, and allowed Jewish people from all over the world an easy route to immigrating. That movie was such a disappointment.
The book was so good. The movie was definitely a disappointment if you read the book! It wasn't a bad movie, but practically had nothing to do with the book.
Love that that shitter gets referenced later in the book about how he is going to face justice and isn’t just going to be able to stay hidden in Russia
Then the Israelis and Palestinians start singing together, which drives the zombies into a rage, leading to them scaling the wall and killing everyone. Seriously, that's what happens.
False. It was a Palestinian girl waiting entry into the Jewish promise-land (because of the empathy of the kind Israelis), who starting singing on a PA system she brought (it’s a common thing in Palestinian culture, they are loud, careless people). So anyway she starts singing some shit in Arabic which is very different from Hebrew, and the zombies who were dormant suddenly wake up and feel pissed they have to listen to the worst karaoke. Then they form a zombie ladder to climb the wall, many innocent Israelis die because of the carelessness of the Palestinians they tried to help.
My dad got really fucked up on kolonopin once and rented world war z from Redbox to play on our PlayStation blue ray player. Anyways he played it at like .75 speed on accident and got pissed that the story was moving too slow. To be fair I also didn’t notice until like 20 minutes in.
be developed country
create systems and infrastructure to deal with Nature's hardships
let in a bunch of migrants and refugees from the Middle East
they immediately start subverting and compromising those very systems
get completely destroyed
In real life, Israel has a Devil's Advocate unit within their military intelligence agency, which are designed to be contrarians against whatever consensus the higher-ups have made, and research worst-case possibilities in every scenario.
They warned about the possibility of attacks on October 7 2023, but they were unfortunately ignored. Now there are talks to expand the unit.
They decided to have a council and in the council one guys job was it to always argue/stand against a unanimous decision. Because they had made unanimous decisions before and got fucked.
In this discussion they all, including him were against it. They thought a zombie apocalypse isn't possible. But since they agreed to do the opposite when that happens, they built the wall against all better judgement at that point.
No the movie was just a zombie movie they were pumping out because zombie action movies are/were popular, it's called world War z becuase you have to have a pre existing IP to get something the green light
The book is pure fantasy. They realize the threat and open there borders to everyone, even Muslims and only get a bit of push back from the population.
iirc in the books pretty much everyone in power knew what's happening but they didn't care to protect themselves like this. isreal did cause ww2 taught them this lesson(?)
Eleventeen-@reddit
Most realistic part of the movie
steeler1003@reddit
Thats why the movie sucks. Book explains it.
MightyTurianEmpire@reddit
what’s the explanation?
thesilentwizard@reddit
>somehow knew about the zombie apocalypse.
Thanks to Mossad. But it's not really that they knew it before it happened. Zombie cases were already happening but were ignored or censored by local governments. Mossad being Mossad saw through everything and put together the first comprehensive report of the virus.
>build a wall around Jerusalem
Not just Jerusalem, the entire country was on voluntary lockdown. And it never fell to the zombies like in the movie. There was instead a civil war because the government let refugees in and some people were pissed. But it was contained and that's it.
>tell no one
They told everyone. Announced at the UN and everything. But no one believed them until it's too late.
koopcl@reddit
The problem is that all this information is only given in the book, and also only really works in the context of the book (where the way the zombie apocalypse unfolds is completely different from the movie).
In the book societal collapse is a very slow burn, so it makes sense that Israel would have the time to figure out what's happening, that the rest of the world would be in disbelief and not take them seriously, and that Israel would have the time to lock down. In the book the zombies are the classic type, slow and dangerous because of numbers and infection rate more than anything, so it makes sense Israel has the time to hold them back while walling up. In the book a huge issue with the infection is how long it takes, which is how it spreads globally before anyone notices, so it makes sense to have checkpoints where dogs are being used to sniff the infection out and keep the quarantine zone clear (IIRC we do see a glance of dogs being used like this in the movie as well).
But in the movie, no clear timeline is given and the apocalypse seems to happen in days or weeks due to how quickly it spreads, so it makes no real sense that Mossad gets enough of an early warning to actually wall up and keep Israel quarantined. Not enough time between "rumours of zombies" and "holy shit zombies everywhere" for the intelligence community to mistrust Israel. Zombies are speed demons so it's unclear when or how Israel got the time to build up the massive walls. A huge plot point is that in the movie the infection takes just seconds to turn someone into a zombie, so it makes no sense for them to be setting up these checkpoints during ingress to slow down the intake of refugees while zombies are literally crawling all around, and the dogs would be completely useless. And a lot of focus is also given to the problems this caused in Israeli society, with a civil war erupting.
So the movie really wanted to have its "Israel is important and the most efficient at handling zombies!" moment but changes every detail of the context around it, so what in the book was "the Israeli were the only ones smart enough to figure this out, paranoid enough to take it seriously, and nice enough to warn everyone else but the rest of the world didn't trust them, and all of this at a huge cost as a country" in the movie becomes "ok Israel must have known this shit was gonna happen because no one can build that fortress in a day, and they didn't tell anyone? Also apparently everything is working perfectly and their downfall literally just happens because they decided to treat Palestinians equally". It's such a mess.
maninahat@reddit
Does the book explain how zombies are able to spread from community to community, despite the often long distances and natural obstacles between them? Like, how long were zombies wandering through thousands of miles of Sahara desert to find Timbuktu?
koopcl@reddit
They actually do. It's been years since I last read the book so the details are escaping me, but the general idea is this:
-The virus is really infectious but slow to spread in the body, depending on a lot of factors (eg where you are bitten). So people moving around while being unknowingly infected becomes a problem.
-The virus can survive on bodyparts outside of the body. So one of the first ways it spreads globally is via the organ black market. It originates in China where someone dies, their organs are harvested and sold to the highest bidder, some rich asshole gets their black market heart transplant in Brazil, and suddenly the zombies are spread in a different continent across the Ocean. Someone else gets some infected skin grafts in Turkey, may fly back home to the US with a layover in London (spreading the infection there), and only collapse and turn into a zombie days later while in their small rural community in Texas where no one has even heard the rumours about the zombie disease.
-Given how relatively easy to hide it is (infection due to slow spread, or even zombies themselves due to being classical slow zombies) a lot of refugees and people moving around have both the classical tropes "Im bitten but I'll hide it, I will probably get cured" and "my family member is infected or has turned into a zombie, I'll just lock them in the back of the car and pretend they're just sick or sleeping". The people smuggling them around (coyotes, human traffickers, etc) turn a blind eye even when they start to realize the truth because they are still getting paid and aren't known for their ethical backbone.
-The largest powers fumble the bag in every way possible. China is where the disease originates, and they try to keep it under wraps until the infection has spread too far and the country is on the verge of collapse. Russia keeps a tight information lockdown. The US first is in disbelief, then thinks they can contain the problem secretly via spec-ops and such because they don't want to spread panic and because, coming out of the WoT, they are worried about lacking the political capital to start another massive military undertaking, and only realize they need to take it more seriously once it's too late and you're having outbreaks everywhere. A lot of other powers/nations just are in denial, we hear a NATO supreme commander confess about how they just didn't believe the rumours at first because sure, there may be a viral outbreak or civil unrest or whatever, but the dead coming back to life to eat the living? That's ridiculous. Which is also why no one hears Israel's warnings (a big point being made about how uber-paranoid the Israeli intelligence community is, which is why they are the ones to take it seriously).
-Shady billionaire tries to make a quick buck promoting fake cures, which increases the problem of people hiding or underreporting infections, especially combined with the lack of proper information given by the governments until it's too late.
Combine all of this, and the book paints a believable version of a slow burning societal collapse where, by the time everyone realizes "this is the real deal, let's get our asses into gear", the zombies are basically popping up everywhere and no place is safe.
maninahat@reddit
It's not very believable, but it is a decent enough explanation for a zombie story.
It's also funny seeing this with the benefit of COVID hindsight, where China were pretty on it in terms of managing disease compared to other countries, and where they certainly didn't pretend to not be having a pandemic.
SadCrouton@reddit
I always thought a world war Z written in and set in 2020 would have a very different vibe from the mid 2000s original book. China is a far more competent nation these days, Israel has fallen further and further down the extremist path, in America… America is actually still the same as far as the book cares
MightyTurianEmpire@reddit
do you have any book recommendations that are similar to this?
koopcl@reddit
Sadly not really, I'd love to find a similar book, especially since I've been getting back into the "zombie" mood lately.
The closest I can think of are:
1- The Zombie Survival Guide: Specifically the ending. It's the previous book from the WWZ author, but it's less of a narrative and instead formatted as, well, a survival guide for a world where the zombie virus is real (eg recommendations on which weapons to use, which vehicles are betters, how to deal with zombies underwater, etc). The end of the book though is more a series of narratives and are what inspired WWZ; it tells the story of different outbreaks through history (historical records of outbreaks in the Roman empire, secret use of zombies in WW2, travellers encountering them during the Age of Discovery, etc). It's told as part of the guide, so not first person narratives ("we in Legio IX held the hordes in Britannia") but instead journalistic investigations ("these remains tell the story of how Legio IX fought what we presume were zombies in ancient Britain"). It's pretty fun but a pretty short section of the book.
And one little detail, since I keep seeing it mentioned elsewhere: It does not take place in the same world as WWZ. Its from the same author, and there's some references as easter eggs, but it's pretty clear from the narratives that both books "happen" in completely different continuities.
2- Red Storm Rising, from Tom Clancy and Larry Bond. Very different from WWZ in that it's more a traditional narrative novel (as opposed to "fictional journalistic investigation" like in WWZ) and, well, it lacks the zombies. But slightly similar in that it covers a huge worldwide event (WW3 instead of WWZ) from a lot of different viewpoints (combatants, politicians, civilians, from the US, USSR, Germany, Iceland, etc) and it paints the big scale picture from these smaller scale narratives. Very "barely qualifies" suggestion but couldn't think of any other.
Piyachi@reddit
I dont know about your last point, but one of the early spreading methods was black market organ transplants from China. People woke up biting in other countries. Also human trafficking helped some "lightly" infected people get far away before revealing the issue.
The initial problem largely is the spread is concealed by China not wanting to admit to an issue and trying to smother it quietly.
It has a lot of serious parallels to Covid's spread.
thesilentwizard@reddit
You made very good point. Conspiracy time: the Palestine mess might be something that was added later, because without it, it's entirely plausible to think that the Israel had something to do with it. And Hollywood didn't want that to happen so the script was altered so that they're victims like everyone else
dalepo@reddit
they use them as bait or practice shooting on women/children for training
Numerous_Worry_6306@reddit
...You didn't read the book did ya?
SleeplessInPlano@reddit
Are you sure? If I remember correctly the book had them randomly saving them from an orthodox revolt that they let the Palestinians in. It was the most unrealistic part of the book.
EdwardoftheEast@reddit
I can’t believe they showed it… they showed all of it
Postaltariat@reddit
Never read the book so i'll believe you
EddieDildoHands@reddit
there’s also a scene that wasn’t mentioned in the movie where brad pitt’s character and his wife are in a starbucks (wayy before the outbreak) waiting for some coffees and sitting down at a table. Just normal talk and then brad pitt’s character shoves his hand under the table and starts fingerblasting his wife til she moans loud enough for everyone to hear.
playerlxiv@reddit
I think it’s gross when couples show some affection in public
NoHat2957@reddit
Is that the scene where he keeps desperately repeating "What's in the box?"
Sumrise@reddit
Do not the box.
Fonctional_Schyzoid@reddit
Yes that one !
Glusas-su-potencialu@reddit
I think you had directors cut of the book. Because i don't remember this part in my book.
barryhakker@reddit
I think it’s cute when couples show some affection in public
auxaperture@reddit
Typical starbucks experience.
Bad_Routes@reddit
I almost believed you😭
Dotard007@reddit
You didn't read the book
WatchJojoDotCom@reddit
No I read the book what theyre saying is true
Dotard007@reddit
They didn't use them as target practice dude they used them as food
WatchJojoDotCom@reddit
Wait seriously??? (I lied I didnt read the book)
Dotard007@reddit
Nah man they didn't do shit. Copying from second top comment
Eoganachta@reddit
That's... actually what they'd probably do.
And probably use them in some zombie-related 'Unit 731'-style shit.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
so just like real life
steeler1003@reddit
Basically the entire world knew. Intelligence agencies heard China talking about zombies. Everybody said theres no way thats real zombies except Israel. They take it seriously because after the 1973 invasion they implemented the 10th man rule. If 9 officials agree on something the 10th has to disagree to prevent group think and prepare for anything. The 10th man arguing so effectively resulted in them taking it seriously.
HoshiHanataba@reddit
Except for the letting Palestinians in
Chelsea_Kias@reddit
That's how the director let us know it's a movie
CygniGlide@reddit
I was curious as I watched the movie but never read the book, author of the book is Jewish (though American) and literally writes the plot point that Israel at first takes the threat seriously, but eventually falls because it lets Palestinians in and that causes a civil war between Orthodox Jews and Palestinians. Really can’t make this shit up lmao
TheSkrillanator@reddit
Super wrong dude, the particular short story is literally told from the perspective of a formerly-radicalized Arab who was protected by an IDF soldier sacrificing his life as a body shield for him.
The story ends with the Arab, now a grown up, admitting he came to the realization that the hard choice was the right one and questing why more countries werent making hard choices too cause all of theirs were easier.
I believe he also became a university professor in Tel Aviv.
Read the book before saying you read the book.
Evignity@reddit
That's the most farfetched scenario I have ever heard.
And also godamn appalling. "Yeah israel was right stealing our land, committing genocide, building a wall, I only wish they had done it proper and let EVERYONE outside die. If only they, the IDF, hadn't been so generous and humane." like you can't even make shit up any worse
sofa_adviser@reddit
The orthodox jews are literally the main "bad guys" in the Israel plotline, tf are you on about
Evignity@reddit
PhranticPenguin@reddit
There is no reason to care about muslim savages habibi. Just let them die.
NinjaWolfist@reddit
get a therapist
PhranticPenguin@reddit
No thanks enjoying life as is. Sarcasm is hard huh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
funny_hats11235@reddit
Least genocidal Israeli
Fwob@reddit
You're like the kid that can't stand when people don't end up fighting and have to instigate at every opportunity.
Evignity@reddit
Movie- and book where israel are the smartest country on earth bar North Korea (lul) because they built the worlds largest concentration-camp because "ZOMBIES!"
Bro
Totoques22@reddit
It’s always funny to see westerners describe how they know the Middle East better than people who live there
You are extremely delusional so pls shut ip
_Dead_Memes_@reddit
Trust me, being part of a community or from a region gives you no inherent authority over topics of anything other than like what the basic customs or facts of your community/region are. Do you think a racist American is going to have the most enlightened and correct view of the history and present conditions of racism and race relations in American society ??
Sleep-more-dude@reddit
That makes it even less realistic lol.
anafuckboi@reddit
The least realistic part is the wall, IRL it’s not just around Jerusalem it also cuts out a huge chunk of Palestine land that was previous Palestinian until 2004 when they built it
BannedSvenhoek86@reddit
I mean it's a fictional novel about the world literally being overrun by zombies. Also it's not like there aren't parralels for that kind of stuff through history and throughout all of warfare. Like the Christmas Truce, enemies facing annihilation on a battlefield can find comraderie.
Criticizing that book because of how it portrayed some Israeli Jews is fucking retarded. It's a work of fiction and in no way Zionist propaganda just because it painted a faceless IDF soldier in a good light at the end of the world.
CygniGlide@reddit
Well I literally said I didn’t read the book so take issue with the multiple summaries that all say what I said lmao
_zombie_k@reddit
Well, he said he was curious since he never read the book though.
magnuman307@reddit
And his dad made space balls, that needs to be kept in mind.
Karpsten@reddit
Iirc, in the movie the Zombies end up climbing the wall because they are attracted by the noise of the celebrations in the streets of Jerusalem that happens because the Israelis and Palestinians finally managed to put their differences aside. Can't make this shit up.
spartanwolf223@reddit
It doesn't "fall". The civil war happens and ends, with the winning side being the ones wanting unity with everyone.
Chelsea_Kias@reddit
Israel?
mustafaaosman339@reddit
Lol
TheCockKnight@reddit
Lmao even
el_carli@reddit
Moreso, one could argue the following : rofl
JaSper-percabeth@reddit
Well movie showed that Palestinians came in made noises like singing, chanting etc in celebration and that led to fall of Jerusalem so they found a way to spread their propaganda I guess.
Crix2007@reddit
I thought they were the ones trying to climb the wall
DirtLight134710@reddit
And the wall has was being built for a very long time, but just coincidentally finished st rhe same time, because of the 22th man scenario
Felipe300Sewell@reddit
In the book they made a point of letting them in, The chapter follows a palestinian from quatar whose father was born in current israely territories(by time of publication of the book) who is offered shelter in israel behind the wall by israel so his family evacuates to israel
sm753@reddit
And they made so much noise that the zombies got triggered and overwhelmed the wall. Just like IRL where they ruin every country that takes them in.
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
In the movie isn't that what ends up getting everyone in there killed because they celebrated too loudly and it alerted the zombies?
Sir_Nicc@reddit
They let them in so they can be shown as oboxiously loud and thier fanatic prayes end up luring in the zombies thus ruining everything.
Israeli aligned movie wouldnt show palestinians for any other reason than to paint them in bad light.
Lastburn@reddit
They need a slave class incase they're yhe only ones that survive
Infamous-Debt-1922@reddit
And then they start singing and draw the zombies lol,
kpop_glory@reddit
Well they gotta blame someone for the plot.
Oculi_Glauci@reddit
That takes more suspension of disbelief than the zombies
LasyKuuga@reddit
https://i.redd.it/ilgc06vgmgwg1.gif
SonicTh66@reddit
Do people just know American psycho from memes? It’s painfully obvious that this is meant in a sarcastic way, just like bateman didn’t actually mean it in the movie, but just said it to impress
dalepo@reddit
you will never be a country
OhHeckItsJeff@reddit
You're mistaking anti-Zionism for anti-Semitism.
lmay0000@reddit
LasyKuuga@reddit
You’re making sarcasm for serious talk
im_nobody1911@reddit
tango_41@reddit
Most realistic is the soldier blowing his head off scrambling to get up the cargo ramp.
MyrmidonExecSolace@reddit
They told the whole world. They were laughed at and ignored
Proglamer@reddit
The world has chosen to ignore them
advance512@reddit
Also realistic was when they used the blood of zombie children for baking bread
dead-inside69@reddit
Once again the book actually bothers to explain something that gets handwaved away in the movie.
The Israelis intercepted encrypted communications coming from China about the undead and were paranoid enough to take it seriously rather than write it off as coded language. They tried to warn some other countries, but the reports were largely ignored as alarmist nonsense.
The entire first part of the book is pretty much the story of all the worst traits of human psychology and society coming together to expose us to a threat that would have been easily manageable in the beginning.
TakeitasaCompliment@reddit
So can you recommend the book? Need something to read and I haven't watched the movie
dead-inside69@reddit
Absolutely. One of my favorites. Just be aware of the unconventional story structure, as you’ve probably put together from the comments it’s not one single narrative, but a collection of short interviews put together after the war.
Mango-D@reddit
Israeli intelligence not fucking up? Unrealistic and unbelievable.
Bad_Routes@reddit
This makes me want to read the book? Be real, is it worth it?
OrdainedPuma@reddit
It is my favorite zombie book bar none (and Zombie Survival Guide is a close second). It is nothing like the movie (which I was SO disappointed in when watching it), and that is a good thing.
If you like the "follow the bread crumbs" kind of story, where more and more of the universe/plot is explored piece by piece, this whole book is A+. I think there was MAYBE one chapter I found boring while reading, but it was just a breather before you get right back into the action. If you go back and re read the confusing parts after finishing the book, there is so much extra information that you see hidden in plain daylight but essentially miss on first pass.
dead-inside69@reddit
Absolutely. It’s pretty bleak and depressing but paints a pretty beautiful picture of human growth and perseverance in the end.
Tomold_G@reddit
I don't know about you, but the pet store part really messed with my 14 year old brain
khjuu12@reddit
Yeah definitely. The movie was a totally generic action flick. The book has a few pages which are unrealistically optimistic about how Israel would actually treat Palestinian refugees but the entire rest of the book is amazing.
griffery1999@reddit
To be fair, the book released in 2006. At that time the future of the conflict looked much better following an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.
However after Hamas gained power in 2007 things went downhill fast.
Davethemann@reddit
Id say its worth it. For the most part too, its like a kinda anthology on the same general event so you get all these different views with occasionally some overlap and such (like iirc, theres one discussing a radio team that has to hear all the nightmarish distress calls, and one of the calls is another persons story)
MrGulo-gulo@reddit
God, I want a proper adaptation of it so bad.
dead-inside69@reddit
It could be done with a pretty low budget too, most of it would just be two actors in a room with a camera on a tripod
Sethleoric@reddit
Yeah unironically could be done in the style of a Netflix documentary
Malvastor@reddit
Always thought it should be done like a PBS documentary. Get Ken Burns to narrate it.
Shadow-Vision@reddit
I think a mixture of documentary style interviews with found footage and/or archive footage would be perfect
Davethemann@reddit
Ive backed this for years, if you were going to spend 150 million on a movie, why not just do some fake documentary with glimpses of awesome big budget scenes (we got absolutely robbed of Yonkers, or the indian bridge collapse)
dead-inside69@reddit
We didn’t just miss Yonkers, we missed THE ENTIRE FUCKING LIBERATION CAMPAIGN. World War Z movie that skips 90% OF THE FUCKING WAR!
Davethemann@reddit
Yep, if they were going to do on location filming too, they couldve showed Canada and all the people freezing, or really shelled out and did the submarine and beach scenes and such
It couldve been a long movie but fuck theres so much missed potential for visual spectacles or actually interesting stories
dead-inside69@reddit
It would be too long of a movie, but it’s divided up in a way that would make an excellent miniseries
verbmegoinghere@reddit
Yeah flashbacks are cheap
JonnotheMackem@reddit
A TV series adaptation, please!
If you haven’t listened to the full cast audiobook, that’s a real treat.
ThirstyWolfSpider@reddit
I went with the paper book, but looking at the audiobook … that's quite a cast!
JonnotheMackem@reddit
It's amazing. It actually improves on the book in many ways.
Remember the girl who got stuck in the church with her family? Nightmare fuel.
ThirstyWolfSpider@reddit
I wanted it to be like Ken Burns' "The Civil War", as the book is told in letters and after-the-fact testimonials. But, like "I, Robot", it was just used as a name grab rather than an adaptation.
FickleConcentration@reddit
While not exactly hand waved away the movie did explain it too briefly. The dude spent like 2 minutes talking about the 10th man rule they adopted where Israel has a council of 10 officials that call the shots, and if 9 members agree on something in this case zombies being code words the tenth man would have to investigate the opposite assumption no matter how unlikely.
They also reference some past events some probably real (i wasn’t paying super close attention + not a history buff) as to why they took up the 10th man rule.
It took the dude 3 minutes of being prodded with questions before delivering this spiel then he died shortly after and it ended up being kinda irrelevant.
Malvastor@reddit
Believe the historical event was the Yom Kippur War, where they got majorly caught with their pants down because everyone looked at the intelligence and thought the Arabs wouldn't attack.
maninahat@reddit
Well, Israel sure learnt their lesson huh.
Malvastor@reddit
Unfortunately as I see it this kind of thing is generational. Almost exactly 50 years passed- most of the folks who personally learned the lessons of '73 would be long out of government by '23, and when you're used to those kind of attacks being caught or prevented it's too easy to slip out of the mindset that's been catching and preventing them.
farva_06@reddit
That was pretty much explained in the movie as well. The reason Israel acted was because of the "Tenth Man Rule".
DarkArcanian@reddit
So what you’re saying is… people have no media literacy and just want to take this as a chance to hate on the Israeli people as a whole? Shocking!
dead-inside69@reddit
While I’m not really going to engage on this topic, I will say that I’m not surprised they’re catching so much flak. Israel has been fumbling the PR game pretty hard lately.
Whether you feel it’s justified or not, their current behavior and messaging has obliterated their public perception and pissed off people that previously had no opinion one way or the other.
Autumn_Fire@reddit
It's so weird how often the movie leaves out critical context given by the book which leaves the movie feeling confusing and ill explained. It would've taken like 2-3 minutes to co convey that in movie yet they omitted it for reasons nobody can understand. One of the worst book to movie adaptations ever made.
Sethleoric@reddit
For me it's the one with the dude who hears puppies starving to death in the next room.
dead-inside69@reddit
He became one of the first K handlers right?
schkmenebene@reddit
They did explain that in the movies, 10th man rule.
ooglyEyes@reddit
Just to add on to your comment. It’s highlighted that any threat no matter how absurd is investigated. The reason being was that in the past they had intelligence that was ignored. The intelligence was information of what would become the 1967 six day war that nearly wiped Israel out. Israel in the books encouraged people they had displaced to return to their ancestral homeland, and allowed Jewish people from all over the world an easy route to immigrating. That movie was such a disappointment.
Obvious_Parsley3238@reddit
Tf? They attacked first, annihilated Egypt's air force, and the war was a wrap. Are you talking about 1973?
ooglyEyes@reddit
I was, my bad.
Bupod@reddit
The book was so good. The movie was definitely a disappointment if you read the book! It wasn't a bad movie, but practically had nothing to do with the book.
Cynical_Tripster@reddit
Exactly how I've described, the movie as a zombie movie is pretty decent. But with the World War Z title, it's trash.
themanbehindthepoopy@reddit
Love that that shitter gets referenced later in the book about how he is going to face justice and isn’t just going to be able to stay hidden in Russia
easyadventurer@reddit
Walls bad. Free land. Support the unalive. Diversity is our strength.
WazuufTheKrusher@reddit
why are you not saying dead, did you forget that you're not on youtube kids?
easyadventurer@reddit
Was a bit of a pisstake on calling the homeless the “unhoused” etc, so the dead are the “unalive” But I guess when reality is parody already…
Kaszalot1352@reddit
Oy vey, is this comment antiseptic?
Bllance00@reddit
Eh accurate tbh
No_Location_8199@reddit
Then the Israelis and Palestinians start singing together, which drives the zombies into a rage, leading to them scaling the wall and killing everyone. Seriously, that's what happens.
Kaikeno@reddit
What did the director mean by this?
Siminity@reddit
israel and palestine can’t get along or else they’d be slaughtered by zombies
Infamous-Salad-2223@reddit
Zombies are Netayahoo.
Trick-Caramel-6156@reddit
Brain yahoo
newguy208@reddit
Their singing needs improvement. Eben the dead don't like it.
Econmajorhere@reddit
False. It was a Palestinian girl waiting entry into the Jewish promise-land (because of the empathy of the kind Israelis), who starting singing on a PA system she brought (it’s a common thing in Palestinian culture, they are loud, careless people). So anyway she starts singing some shit in Arabic which is very different from Hebrew, and the zombies who were dormant suddenly wake up and feel pissed they have to listen to the worst karaoke. Then they form a zombie ladder to climb the wall, many innocent Israelis die because of the carelessness of the Palestinians they tried to help.
And that’s how Oct 7th happened.
ElonTaco@reddit
Not far off from the truth. Zombies are spiritually palestinian.
NOT-Bolvar-Fordragon@reddit
Oh look, an Israeli-purist! Kids, come and laugh at this pathetic little manlet lmao
ElonTaco@reddit
Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of you qawmi rat
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
I didn't know it was a comedy
Pingushagger@reddit
This is not safe, Jews and Arabs have not made brown noise for 1000 years!
Deathisfatal@reddit
Most unrealistic part of the movie
ReasonIntelligent980@reddit
israel minding its own business lol lmao
Norfhynorfh@reddit
America probably built it for them. US tax payers tipped them for the privilege
kangis_khan@reddit
QuantumKhakis@reddit
The zombies have the right to defend themselves
Practical-Essay-8634@reddit
"somehow" is where the take falls apart
The_Man8705@reddit
The best part was when they were destroyed
MOTIGBANA_@reddit
Lore accurate
JPowTheDayTrader@reddit
The author is Jewish. He's the son of some big time movie director.
ExistentialistCow@reddit
My dad got really fucked up on kolonopin once and rented world war z from Redbox to play on our PlayStation blue ray player. Anyways he played it at like .75 speed on accident and got pissed that the story was moving too slow. To be fair I also didn’t notice until like 20 minutes in.
Carbone@reddit
Council of three
PhilosopherShot5434@reddit
Many such cases
jackrackan07@reddit
They had the same info as everyone else but were the only ones who acted upon it. Did op even watch the movie?
Bland-fantasie@reddit
So you’re saying the wall was kept secret? Or could everyone in the world see and discuss it for themselves, and didn’t.
jaunsin@reddit
I thought the whole isrl thing was like out of place.
mylaptopredditVC@reddit
maybe they caused the zombie infection and told no one
Gobbler_of_Cock@reddit
wow thx for explaining the joke I was super lost so helpful!
Xx_CumSock69420_xX@reddit
If we sucked some guy off together who do you think would be more eager to swallow the cum, me, the cumsock, or you, the cock gobbler?
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
Greatest Cum Receptacle of History
Vs
Greatest Cum Receptacle of Today
yoloswaggins92@reddit
I'm starting to think Israel might not be so squeaky clean
Wampalog@reddit
Considering you fell for someone completely lying you're not in a good position.
vGrillby@reddit
It was promised to them 3,000 years ago, of course they prepared.
Interesting_Rub5736@reddit
your comment was hidden, congrats
leebenjonnen@reddit
I saw it
thatAnthrax@reddit
I mean, the commenter also saw it, what was he thinking lol
gay_for_hideyoshi@reddit
I mean I shit on Israel too. But wasn’t it explained because of the 9 vs 1?
They really didn’t need to build it and it was a waste of money since there is no zombie. But they did it anyway because of the 1 guy.
Or am I dumb?
JaphetSkie@reddit
In real life, Israel has a Devil's Advocate unit within their military intelligence agency, which are designed to be contrarians against whatever consensus the higher-ups have made, and research worst-case possibilities in every scenario.
They warned about the possibility of attacks on October 7 2023, but they were unfortunately ignored. Now there are talks to expand the unit.
XchrisZ@reddit
Thought it was because the 1 must investigate. So he did figured out it was real and then they built.
ApplicationCalm649@reddit
With American tax dollars.
CrusaderDogeAnon@reddit
Wait they don't have that wall irl? I thought it was the same one that US presidents and celebrities are always kissing?
Yuval444@reddit
It's the western wall you're thinking about
jungleass98@reddit
Thats the Wailing Wall
Nachtvogle@reddit
No lol
revolverXD@reddit
But they did try to tell everyone and were ignored
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Still somehow less stupid than Yonkers.
yumstheman@reddit
China builds The Great Wall 2700 years ago. Zombies attack. How did they know???!
Trick-Caramel-6156@reddit
Becouse China number 1
More_Possession2871@reddit
The least realistic part of this zombie world war movie is that they give refuge to everyone
josHi_iZ_qLt@reddit
It's explained in the movie.
They decided to have a council and in the council one guys job was it to always argue/stand against a unanimous decision. Because they had made unanimous decisions before and got fucked.
In this discussion they all, including him were against it. They thought a zombie apocalypse isn't possible. But since they agreed to do the opposite when that happens, they built the wall against all better judgement at that point.
MasterChief6789@reddit
literally explained in the book
NotStrictlyConvex@reddit
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i-stole-your-shoes@reddit
is the movie just a promotional video for the book? i thought it's an adaptation? why not adapt the explanation?
Flashy-Lake1228@reddit
No the movie was just a zombie movie they were pumping out because zombie action movies are/were popular, it's called world War z becuase you have to have a pre existing IP to get something the green light
Zeth22xx@reddit
The book is pure fantasy. They realize the threat and open there borders to everyone, even Muslims and only get a bit of push back from the population.
Dotard007@reddit
A huge civil war
Zeth22xx@reddit
The book calls them Zionist extremists, AKA religious nutjobs with no military training.
Vitality_VZ@reddit
FrozenAquarius@reddit
I didn't read the title and thought this was happening irl
Accurate_College_864@reddit
iirc in the books pretty much everyone in power knew what's happening but they didn't care to protect themselves like this. isreal did cause ww2 taught them this lesson(?)
UFCLulu@reddit
And then they have a little palestinian girl sing and make her the reason the zombies attack lol. straight propaganda.
I_cut_my_own_jib@reddit
Many such cases
ThisIsNotRadical@reddit
The book is way better 🤷♂️
manonky@reddit
the zombie apocalypse was promised 3000 years ago
Decimator24244@reddit
They have a right to defend themselves
imwrighthere@reddit
-Mark Levin
jericho-dingle@reddit
Ralphiedog11@reddit
First real trope in zombie film