Medium to large companies without AI cameras, inward and outward
Posted by HighwayStar71@reddit | Truckers | View on Reddit | 73 comments
Are there ANY companies that don't have these garbage cameras that slam on the brakes for no reason and snitch on you to safety for rolling through a stop sign and such? The ones that slam on the brakes I consider to be an extreme safety hazard in slick conditions.
raddrobb67@reddit
I drive a freightliner and the only time The truck breaks by itself is when I'm using the cruise control. That's the way it's designed.
NitroBike@reddit
USPS has pretty barebones International tractors and no cameras anywhere in the trucks
Yungwizlord@reddit
How does one even get a job here, I have been looking up jobs for the last year and USPS hasn't come up once.
NitroBike@reddit
You gotta go to the USPS careers website and see openings for TTO.
Castingnowforever@reddit
You might want to consider a different career at this point. It's 2026, even if you don't have a camera on your dash someone else has a camera and will record you doing something stupid and you'll get fired anyway. It's really not that hard to keep your eyes on the road, following signage, and do your job safely.
CapitanPino@reddit
Crete doesn't have any cameras as of yet unless youre on a Costco dedicated account.
cheesecake-gnome@reddit
Is someone hits you, they will add one to your truck.
Ask me how I know?
I quite almost immediately after they did that to me. Horseshit. Punished for someone else’s incompetence
CapitanPino@reddit
Funny cuz my buddy that works there right now got hit 3 months ago while he was parked for the night and didn't get a camera.
LonleyWolf420@reddit
They told me they have outward ones and your on "probation" and have the inward for a few months then they turn it off.. and if you fuck up they'll turn it back on
CapitanPino@reddit
Idk! They took out my camera after the first 60 days. The only camera system I know is on there is what comes with the cruise control system that freightliner installs.
They quite literally took the entire camera out btw. Theres no "turning off and on" its just either in your truck or not.
LonleyWolf420@reddit
Hmm.. this was 2 or so more years ago
stateside_irishman@reddit
Crete. You only have a front facing camera for the first 90 days. Just to make sure you are not a complete fuck up.
cheesecake-gnome@reddit
If someone hits you, they will add one to your truck.
Ask me how I know.
I quite almost immediately after they did that to me. Horseshit. Punished for someone else’s incompetence
NekoboyBanks@reddit
I see Crete all the time. They're always trying to pass me (Prime, 65mph) at at snail's pace (67 mph). Do they pay decent CPM?
stateside_irishman@reddit
66 CPM
NekoboyBanks@reddit
Not too bad.
CapitanPino@reddit
I only had mine for 60 days did they change it recently?
stateside_irishman@reddit
It might be 60. It has been 5 years since I was hired.
John9250@reddit
It’s the forward sensor on the truck. Not any cameras the company installed. There is a camera in the system, but it’s built in. But anyway, Crete has been a decent company. I hear pretty much nothing but good things from the company drivers as well
daemonescanem@reddit
There is no running from the cams. To much money on the line with insurance companies and making sure mid level safety manager's jobs are secured by micromanaging drivers every move.
MPV8614@reddit
That’s exactly it. It isn’t about making the roads safer.
daemonescanem@reddit
It will make roads safer by weeding out the people who cannot stay off their phones & those who drive a truck like a car.
errie_tholluxe@reddit
Sure sure. Wanna boot to lick?
daemonescanem@reddit
Nah, im not MAGA.
Its not bootlicking to recognize that driver facing cams were always coming, and they are here to stay.
Just like ELD was always coming.
Technology isnt stopping because your feelings are hurt. Companies will always seek to save money, insurance companies will always seek to save money. To expect something different is just lying to yourself, and pretending everyone else who disagrees is wrong.
errie_tholluxe@reddit
It's not technology for good, it's technology to put the onerous on the driver, protecting the company and the insurance, since any decent lawyer can find SOMETHING in dash footage that makes it the driver's fault.
It's tech to further improve capitalism and protect them.
Meanwhile a forward facing cam does exactly what you were saying, as does side cameras although these as well get used more to protect the company than defend the driver.
The more surveillance tech you have the more you get into privacy issues.
Look at the number of lawsuits paid out because these same companies are selling biometrics and data without the drivers permission because the company waves that for them
daemonescanem@reddit
I am not arguing for driver facing cams. I am pointing out that drivers long ago left behind national collective bargaining rights which would have helped limit these kinds of cams.
Bruh, I am 25 years into this industry, its always been against the drivers. That wont ever change.
errie_tholluxe@reddit
Been on this since 92, and I agree, it was bad and getting worse
MPV8614@reddit
Give me a call when you get a chance. I’d like a quote on my insurance policy.
theboywthagreenscarf@reddit
Why are you rolling through stop signs?
Bluejay0013@reddit
Well, I don't roll through stop signs but I'm tired of my companies camera giving false positives. Like last week, I made a right turn with a stop sign that said underneath "except right turn." And of course the damn thing doesn't know any difference.
Zealousideal_Try4171@reddit
They don’t clear it?
Bluejay0013@reddit
They better, my company (new safety guy) just started enforcing driver camera violations. And again, camera doesn't know any better.
So I already sent a rebuttal to them
Resident-Sherbert-89@reddit
right the camera doesn't know any better and automatically sends an alert and a clip, so the person seeing it should be able to see that nothing happened. so what's the actual problem here? i have a bridge that i go over every day that sets off the front impact sensor. it's a bit higher than the road and it's a 45 mph street so it reads it as an obstacle. no one ever says a word to me because it's very obvious, so it's meaningless. i also have a road on my route where the stop sign for the cross street is pointed at the wrong road, very obviously would trigger a stop sign violation. again, no one says a word. if it's a false alert, and you know it's happening, i'm curious why it bothers you? does part of you maybe believe that you're going to get in trouble anyway?
NoRelation1491@reddit
We were told to "please make a thumbs down motion" when you believe it was a false positive, they dont like how we talk to the cameras, which has not and will never change.
COATHANGER_ABORTIONS@reddit
If they're false positives, then don't worry?
Artistickidcudi@reddit
The camera will go off when nothing even happened and send a clipped recording of the inside of my cab of me just driving in a straight line or if I have my headset on they can hear my conversations. Once I heard it go off when I was parked overnight, imagine I didn’t close the curtains and I was getting changed? I would’ve literally been exposed to the camera. Those inward facing cameras are a breach of privacy if they expect drivers to be living in the truck.
FunnyHighway9575@reddit
My company had both in/out cams but suddenly one day said they're getting rid of inward facing cams because "we trust our professional drivers" when in reality they lost a lawsuit because of the inward facing cam.
Significant-Long-881@reddit
That's interesting timing with the lawsuit lol. My cousin drives for mid-sized logistics company and they only have the outward facing ones, no inward cameras at all. He says they're pretty old school about trusting drivers but still want footage for insurance purposes when other people crash into them. The automated braking thing sounds nightmare though - like having computer decide when to stop your truck instead of experienced driver who can actually see road conditions. Maybe look into smaller regional companies? They might not have budget for all the fancy surveillance tech that bigger corporations love so much
DukeBradford2@reddit
got inward facing cameras. never touched my phone while driving. “hey siri play… podcast”
SaltAndBitter@reddit
The brake slamming is the truck itself, not the fuck ass dashcam the company installed
HighwayStar71@reddit (OP)
I'm not so sure. I've heard in the past it was from the camera seeing a shadow of the overpass. If it was a misaligned radar, wouldn't it do it every single overpass?
SaltAndBitter@reddit
Whether camera or radar/lidar, it's a part on the truck from the manufacturer that's causing it to panic and lock the brakes, not whatever "smart" dashcam has been installed by by the company. The only reason I know this is because I've been at companies that didn't run a Lytx/Samsara/whatever bullshit AI dashcam, and the truck still pulled that same bullshit
Pakman____@reddit
Yes. My company has driver facing cameras and I never have an issue.
LonleyWolf420@reddit
The ones that snoop drivers and the ones that slam the brakes are 2 different things..
veldrinshade@reddit
Schuster has the outward and while it does use AI they turned the settings down low. I only get dinged for lane departure and even then I have to be WAY outside the lines, or rolling a stop sign but they tell you you have to be rolling faster than 4mph to activate it. Also, there is a human being reviewing them who understands what trucking is. His name is Jeff. He's cool.
DesertPunked@reddit
If your truck is slamming on the brakes due to a phantom collision mitigation event, it needs to be serviced. The radar is out of alignment or getting to that point. Should be considered an OOS situation in my opinion.
HighwayStar71@reddit (OP)
The whole system itself is completely worthless. No amount of adjustments will fix anything.
DesertPunked@reddit
When it's properly calibrated, it's useful. Most companies won't go through the effort of getting it calibrated unfortunately because it's another truck at the shop that isn't making money.
We're slip seat at my company, and we were constantly running into radar calibration issues. Turns out the grey beards at work were using the radar as a step to open the hood. After that was addressed, most of the issues went away once all the trucks were recalibrated.
derpmcturd@reddit
lol
dairydog91@reddit
I work at a national company that has the cameras but certainly no automatic truck control. I agree that auto braking is stupidly risky. For one odd example, I've done deliveries where I had to drop off equipment inside an airport and had to cross runways to get to the site. I was following a state trooper and he gave me orders when we entered. He'd stop at an intersection with a runway (regular stop sign), but when he started I was DIRECTLY ORDERED to run the stop sign and keep moving.
Critical_Opening_526@reddit
Police directing traffic override signs. That's part of your hazmat test.
Sadly nobody writing code knows how to drive.
Virtchoo@reddit
That’s not a company camera, it’s part of the truck itself. 9 out of 10 times it’s also not the camera hitting the brakes, but the radar on the bumper as well. The rolling stop signs would be the ai camera, but anything that works with the truck you’ll find in any new truck. The government is offering incentives to have them installed on trucks so the only way to get one without would be not only buying your own, but ordering it without.
Haunting-Ad788@reddit
Any union gig should have inward cameras barred in the contract.
Muntler@reddit
asphalt company i worked at had none facing the inside even now they still don’t. they were also super late in getting them aswell all the other big outfits had them for a few years before them
FloppyTacoflaps@reddit
Sounds like maybe you should adjust your driving habits
anxious_polarbear@reddit
I've had my truck slam on its brakes because it detected a car in the turn lane next to me on a slight corner, and thought it was in front of me. Was that because of my driving habits?
MPV8614@reddit
Don’t feed the trolls
FloppyTacoflaps@reddit
Believe it or not. Yes lol
anxious_polarbear@reddit
I do not believe that.
FloppyTacoflaps@reddit
I love lamp
Quelix_@reddit
I had completely stopped traffic in the oncoming lanes with no traffic in my lanes except for another truck behind me and mine slammed the brakes and brake checked him. People don't realize how fucking dangerous this shit actually is. I told my boss that if the system ever gets me into an accident, I'm taking a sledge hammer to every sensor on every truck i ever use. Also, this was back before it was through the cameras and was a sensor in the bumper.
HighwayStar71@reddit (OP)
Normally, I don't roll through stop signs but I can think of a few scenarios where I would. One, leaving a truck stop with a stop sign at the exit with traffic on a busy highway approaching and stopping will mean having to sit and wait for an unknown amount of time until there's another break in traffic. Two, a truck stop with an exit on an uphill with a stop sign and I'm heavy. I don't think I should have to answer to safety for that and in the past before Big Brother cameras nobody ever did.
devil_4599@reddit
But that is still a ticket though right if a cop sees you ?
ChiTruckDGAF@reddit
Welcome to the 21st century.
brandonevanss@reddit
Fedex Freight, R+L Carriers, Estes Express Lines, Old Dominion Freight Line. All 4 LTL companies with no inward facing cameras if you’re interested in LTL.
Dan000@reddit
You don't realize how many accidents have been prevented and lives saved. These large companies are saving many millions due to reduction in claims. These safety features are not going away.
HolyOrangeJuice@reddit
My company added the motive AI camera and the bracket that covers the inside camera. All events that we get have no audio. No interior view. The AI camera does nothing with the brakes. It's the adaptive cruise, radar and collision avoidance crap installed on the trucks these days. The annoying auto brake only occurs on my truck if adaptive cruise is on. Pressing the gas pedal stops that false braking from people exiting or other silly things.
TwoToadsKick@reddit
Yes
Jamo3306@reddit
My company has outward facing. But doesn't insist on inward having until there's an incident or two. It's pneumatic, if your interested, their hiring
kloyoh@reddit
Shit when u find out let me know too
itsmysecondaryblog@reddit
+1 for what others have said- the inward facing cameras (and the outward facing ones integrated with the brakes) are there because of insurance. Which means that they aren’t going away, and are likely to become more prevalent. Get used to being micromanaged. 🤷🏼♂️
dluxchris@reddit
Those cams are the new electronic log from a "next big thing in trucking" standpoint. I doubt it'll become federal law to have them like with e-logs but I wouldn't be surprised if insurance companies as a whole don't start requiring them. Statistically they make the roads safer and by default reduce insurance claims according to multiple sources. I legitimately wouldn't be surprised if owner-ops started getting priced out of insurance policies for refusing to use a camera. The Motive system I've been using for years has positively impacted my driving habits and I honestly don't even notice it's there anymore and consistently maintain a one hundred percent safety score in my app. Instead of trying to hop companies to run from a tech that'll likely spread faster than you can hop, I'd suggest looking inward at your driving habits that are making those cameras problematic for you instead. That'll realistically be the better long-term option unless you're close to retirement. Just my two cents.
Desperate_Fee_808@reddit
This has to be a swift driver lol