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Explain like I am 5: What is wrong with CVT?

Posted by Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 206 comments

I own a car with a CVT? Everyone is bashing. What exactly is wrong? What is the problem?

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rudbri93@reddit

the problem is nissan gave em a bad name.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Everyone is saying it is bad but nobody knows or understands or can articulate WHY they are bad. I don't get it. Is everyone just parroting what they heard? Can someone explain what makes CVT bad?
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u3b3rg33k@reddit

nothing is "wrong" with them, they just don't behave like "cars did back in my day" so everyone whines about them because they're different. 90% of people with one in their car probably don't even know they have one.
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curi0us_carniv0re@reddit

More like because many early iterations had a lot of problems and that stigma stuck with them.
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u3b3rg33k@reddit

that applies to autotragic slushboxes, too. but the ZF8 exists.
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ZeGermanHam@reddit

Yep, this is the truth. The overwhelming majority of drivers don't even know which wheels are the driven wheels on their vehicle. I'm a gearhead and own a manual trans sports car, a traditional automatic muscle car, a traditional automatic Impreza, and a CVT Crosstrek. I use the Crosstrek as my daily driver and I really like how super smooth and quiet the CVT is. I'm not trying to race anyone or use the Crosstrek as a sports car, and for doing regular A-to-B car stuff, the CVT is a really pleasant experience for me.
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No_Win7658@reddit

Hmm - I’m not sure you are making a fair comparison here. How old is that Impreza? Because the last version had a cvt as only auto option - I don’t think it ever came with a “good automatic”” like you would find in e.g. a BMW. From what I understand you only have one recent car and it’s the one that you feel is smoothest, incredible! Honestly, if you wan smooth , get an EV , but even within ICE, most people prefer a ( good) auto over cvt, even if CVT is more efficient . I don’t hate CVT, but let’s be correct.
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Inside_Mouse_1750@reddit

EVs are super reactive so any change by the driver is felt by passengers. My partner is not a well tuned PID controller so sometimes the cars accelerate brake cycle is infuriating. Cvt is unresponsive as a dead duck... so it's nice and smooth.
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Bird2525@reddit

I love the one in our Subaru, keeps it right in the power and when needed
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u3b3rg33k@reddit

the subaru units also do a great job of holding gear if you paddle downshift while in drive, until you're done engine braking and back on maintenance throttle. then they go back to "D".
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VoidingSounds@reddit

Plenty of people have said it, but here you go: \- Reliability: MFGs suggest long fluid change cycles to juice TCO numbers and transmissions fail just out of warranty. There are some additional wear points in a CVT versus a traditional automatic, so they're less durable than old 3/4 speeds. (This issues also effected 5-8 speed autos of the same era) \- Application: CVTs mainly get used in cars where fuel economy is the goal. They get hooked to small displacement engines in cars that were never going to be anything to write home about in the best conditions. \- Driving feel: Because a lot of the early CVTs came on cars with low displacement engines that need to rev to make power, so you put your foot into it and the engine revs for a second or two before you start to accelerate. That lag feels like you're driving through a rubber band, and is unsatisfying at best. \- Nissan: Japan's Chrysler, their cars highlight the above and by financing to literally anyone there are a lot of buyers who can't afford to keep up on maintenance, it exacerbates the reliability issue. They went in hard on CVTs earlier than say, Toyota and Honda who historically had better fuel economy (and then leaned into HEVs).
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WhichAd366@reddit

lol “Japan’s Chrysler”. Very accurate
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glwillia@reddit

stellantis should just buy nissan and corner the market on shitty global brands.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Appreciate the explanation. Thank you.
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rudbri93@reddit

they arent inherently bad, but nissan was big on using them and they need much shorter intervals on fluid changes, which no one does, and theirs just seem to not live very long in general, a problem they never did much to fix. on top of that there are different types of cvt, the eCVT that toyota uses is more robust and doesnt seem to have any problems, and has been adopted by other manufacturers.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

To clarify I don't own a Nissan. But I keep hearing CVT is bad and how it is not reliable. Well, my car didn't come with another option so it is what it is. Just trying to understand why it is bad or unreliable.
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dr-pangloss@reddit

Wow ok. The notion that CVTs are bad comes from poorly made Nissan CVTs. This then made people think all CVTs are bad. The previous guy explained why Nissan CVTs are bad but many CVTs are fine (I had a perfectly good one in an outback). If you don't own a Nissan YOUR cvt is probably fine.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

I don't understand why people keep talking about Nissan, when I said my car isn't Nissan. Did Nissan originally came with CVT or something? Because other cars (from other manufacturers) use CVT too!
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BoomerSoonerFUT@reddit

Fuckin A, you’re a dense one. People think all CVTs are unreliable because Nissan was one of the early adopters of using them, and they made some notoriously shitty CVTs. CVT became synonymous with shitty Nissans.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

I am not dense bro. I asked for "Explain like I am 5" and you guys (with no technical knowledge) is claiming "Because this particular Thai restaurant was bad, everyone hates Thai food now" which makes no sense. I asked why CVT is LESS RELIABLE. Some guys, who actually KNOW cars, explained it is a belt driven system (not gear driven), which seems like the actual answer.
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S7alker@reddit

Back in the day many manufacturers adopted them including honda. At dodge our calibers had them and it was super painful to drive while seeing the motor redline while the car and trans decided to take their time to get to speed. My friend with the honda civic with the new cvt never made it to 100k and like many others the cvt seemed to die early and didn’t like even a table spoon of the wrong fluid to be added all in the name of trying to get best mpg instead of doing more with traditional transmissions and gears which did come later in 6 and 8 speed autos for bigger vehicles. Many consumers suffered the early decade of these experiments with their hard earned money and rightfully want nothing to do with a cvt trans ever again.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>didn’t like even a table spoon of the wrong fluid to be added all  Yes, I heard about this. Thank you for the tip.
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TheRoamingRN@reddit

Actually you’re past dense pushing idiot. So many people have tried to explain the history of CVTs and why they have a bad reputation, and all you can focus on is “Nissan.” JFC 🙄
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Edmsubguy@reddit

Its been explained over and over for you.
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mondaymoderate@reddit

But why do you keep talking about Nissan! I don’t have a Nissan! /s
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sllewgh@reddit

> "Because this particular Thai restaurant was bad, everyone hates Thai food now" which makes no sense. Maybe that doesn't make sense to you, but that's the right answer just the same.
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United-Alternative95@reddit

You sure act dense…. CVT has got a bad reputation beacuse Nissan made a bad one and that has affected the reputation of all brands beacuse people just hear CVT=bad
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WizardofLloyd@reddit

People say CVT's are "bad" because they don't understand how they work. The DON'T have gears like a standard manual or automatic transmission. They are bigger snowmobile transmissions. You can't "shift" them as some people are claiming, you just hold them in a specific spot on one of their numerous variable ratios in their operation window... Yes, Nissan uses CVT's, and in their early versions, had issues with operation due to poor or total lack of maintenance. This soured people on CVT's in general... I know many manufacturers use them including Honda, Subaru, and Toyota and they seem to be completely fine...
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>The DON'T have gears like a standard manual or automatic transmission. They are bigger snowmobile transmissions. You can't "shift" them as some people are claiming, you just hold them in a specific spot on one of their numerous variable ratios in their operation window... Thank you. This seems to be the actual answer why they are less reliable than other transmission systems.
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WizardofLloyd@reddit

If they're built decently and maintained properly, they can be VERY reliable. My youngest son told me that the Japanese military uses a tank (with a weight if about 46 tons) that has a CVT transmission with apparently few issues. That's a pretty hefty vehicle running a CVT!
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Fwd_fanatic@reddit

What car do you have that you’re so secretive about? Some companies make good CVTs others not so much. It’s really a matter of what car with what CVT you have in it? Toyota makes the best CVTs because they’re smart and use a real 1st gear to help it take off which is what kills CVTs along with poor maintenance. Their eCVT is gear driven not belt driven iirc so it’s not like Nissan transmissions. Nissan killed the rep for everyone and some companies have had to claw it back. They had no first gear which makes take off hard on the trans, and the short fluid change intervals that people ignored didn’t help the situation. Nissan put that CVT in tons of their cars and when they were new they sold like hotcakes before everyone knew what was coming. It doesn’t matter that your car isn’t a Nissan, Nissan is the one who on mass ruined the reputation of CVTs.
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TheRoamingRN@reddit

This isn’t a stupid question. The OP who’s asking it, however….
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ttoma93@reddit

My man, your reading comprehension level seems to be truly zero.
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Mouse_Manipulator@reddit

Nissan… Nissan is responsible for giving them a bad reputation… that’s why people keep mentioning them…
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motorboather@reddit

God dammit….Nissan was one of the first to adopt CVT transmissions and their version was junk. This made everyone think that all CVT transmissions were junk, because they had no other brands to base quality over at the time. Therefore it spread, and everyone associated CVT transmissions no matter what the brand were junk. Now lots of manufacturers make quality CVT transmissions but Nissan CVT’s are still stuck in everyone’s heads and therefore they associate the words CVT transmissions with the junk Nissan used to produce.
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wiarumas@reddit

They keep bringing up Nissan because their CVT failures were so widespread that it ruined the reputation of CVT in general.
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ZimaGotchi@reddit

Just change your cvt fluid on or ahead of schedule, bro. It'll be fine. The fluid itself is pretty expensive but worth the investment.
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joemc225@reddit

Now we know why the post is titled with, "Explain like I am 5".
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ajaxp0wder@reddit

A CVT relies on a "belt" that rides between to adjustable pulleys. Ultimately gear heads hate belts and therefore CVT bad. They also drive like ass
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>A CVT relies on a "belt" that rides between to adjustable pulleys. Ultimately gear heads hate belts and therefore CVT bad This seems to be the actual answer. Thank you.
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ajaxp0wder@reddit

Should add nissan was the first to market with a CVT which makes them synonymous with each other. The belt is internal all all cvt units which means a transmission replacement when it fails. They are "fine" for regular traffic cars and original owners. But a nightmare for second hand buyers. (Like buying a hand grenade with a pulled pin)
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ReversEclipse1018@reddit

Because people know that the Nissan CVT’s ate shit at about 100k, sometimes before, sometimes not at all. I have one of the worst years for Nissan’s CVT (2011 Altima), and it’s doing just fine at 219k. People think all CVT’s are the same, and have only heard bad things about the ones Nissan made. If all anyone talks about is the bad, no one is going to understand that there’s some good. As a mostly unrelated, but still applicable, example: I, along with my parents, have had horrible experiences with the Little Caesar’s closest to our house. As a result, I prefer to not get pizza from any Little Caesar’s. There’s the precedent of a bad experience with one, so all others are discounted as a result.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

It is not Nissan.
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frankybling@reddit

wait so you’re saying you don’t have a Nissan? Nissan CVTs in the first gen of cars with them sucked and because of my experience with that particular POS CVT I have trauma related trust issues (4 new CVTs in my Nissan) before 150k miles with the correct fluid change intervals and normal highway driving. TBH IDGAF what your experience with your non Nissan is… now go be a 5 year old
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torgeaux42@reddit

He's not saying your cvt will be bad because it's a Nissan, he's saying Nissan made terrible cvts, they gave all cvts a bad reputation. So, the reason people think cvts are bad is because one company made a notoriously bad cvt.
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ReversEclipse1018@reddit

I read your previous comment stating such. I’m (along with everyone else) telling you, and you’re refusing to understand, that Nissan is the reason people hate all CVT’s. No one cares that you don’t have a Nissan. The people who shit talk CVT’s have only heard of the ones that failed. They don’t hear anything about good CVT’s because no one talks about good CVT’s. They don’t talk about them, because as long as they’re working properly, people fail to realize they even have a CVT
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

> Nissan is the reason people hate all CVT’s. So, you are saying Nissan's CVT was so bad ... even Honda or Subaru CVTs are now have a bad rep? That makes no sense (because, as far as I know Honda doesn't use the same Jatco supplier).
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ReversEclipse1018@reddit

Yes. Because that’s the only CVT’s people knew about. They based their opinions of CVT transmissions on the only CVT they had heard about. They didn’t know that Honda and Subaru were using CVT’s, because they weren’t failing. But now, people are aware of the “CVT failures” and try to avoid CVT’s altogether because they don’t know that different manufacturers exist, and don’t care enough to research it.
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rudbri93@reddit

the average person has no idea they are different from one manufacturer to the next, they just know cvt=bad and so generalize all of them.
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Likeabalrog@reddit

Your reading comprehension skills are lacking
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revocer@reddit

Most cars today’s are CVT. They are better for fuel economy and easier / cheaper to produce.
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sacking03@reddit

Officially they don't own but technically they do. Nissan owns 80% stock of the CVT manufacturer they use for their CVTs. So they make money replacing the CVTs. Also because the CVT company they owned made a lot alot a lot of extra generation 1 CVT transmissions. They would take a loss on them. So they kept replacing them until that stock ran out. Currently they are on gen 2 or 3 and they are much better and it addressed the issues with generation 1. Other companies didn't use that specific manufacturer for their CVTs, so they didn't have the same issue.
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Technotitclan@reddit

They are not inherently bad. Nissan gave them a bad reputation because they used badly built ones. Good or bad is a function of if it can perform the function its tasked with and it's quality. Nissan's were not up to the task due to quality. Most others are mostly good but a lot of manufactures are riding the line of build just good enough to not have issues to save money. On top of that early generations got a bad wrap because they were not tuned with fake shifting. So the engine would just stay at 3k rpm from stop all the way till cruising at 70. Most early owners didn't understand our and hated it. Then makers started adding in fake shifting which got hate from different groups because it was fake and inefficient. It's all opinions and there's no right answer. The biggest exception is towing. It needs to be an especially robustly built cvt to handle it and there's diminishing returns on strength and cost for towing.
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maxsilver@reddit

>Everyone is saying it is bad but nobody knows or understands or can articulate WHY they are bad. Here's why they are 'bad' (or why people don't often like them): * They 'rubber band' a bit (the transmission is more closely coupled to the engine, which is good for efficiency, but is a little slower -- by milliseconds -- in response time). Which makes them feel less reliable, especially to people who are used to automatics or prefer them. * They don't handle extreme use / abuse as well as older automatic transmissions did. (If you want to do street racing or 'sick pulls' on your car a lot, CVTs handle that use case poorly. CVTs need fluid swaps more than Automatic Transmissions do, if you regularly ignore maintenance on your car, a CVT will die faster). That's it. There's nothing *fundamentally* wrong with a CVT. If you drive your car like any reasonable person would, a well-built CVT can easily handle 150k to 250k+ miles with proper maintenance (i.e., change the fluid properly and regularly). And 'traditional' automatic transmissions aren't perfect, as just one example, GM's recalled plenty of shoddy automatic transmissions over the years [https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1rfl4x1/gms\_10speed\_transmission\_recall\_just\_got\_even/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1rfl4x1/gms_10speed_transmission_recall_just_got_even/) but no one says "don't buy a car with an automatic transmission" (or at least, hasn't since like, the 1990s).
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>They 'rubber band' a bit (the transmission is more closely coupled to the engine, which is good for efficiency, but is a little slower -- by milliseconds -- in response time). Which makes them feel less reliable, especially to people who are used to automatics or prefer them. *(Sometimes CVTs will be programmed to 'fake-shift', or 'simulate shifting', so they 'feel' more like automatics, to downplay this).* >They don't handle extreme use / abuse as well as older automatic transmissions did. (If you want to do street racing or 'sick pulls' on your car a lot, CVTs handle that use case poorly. CVTs need fluid swaps more than Automatic Transmissions do, if you regularly ignore maintenance on your car, a CVT will die faster). THANK YOU so much for this helpful and technical answer. So, if I understand correctly, CVT is basically a belt driven simulator transmission (compared to a metal gear driven automatic transmission) and that fails faster compared to metal gears. Okay. Now, this makes more sense (vs. "Nissan ruined the reputation" explanation). Everyone claims to be a car guy but nobody could explain this (besides you and another commenter who told me to google CVT belt and cones). Your expertise is appreciated, friend. Thank you.
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XtraChrisP@reddit

Outside of reliability on some (Nissan primarily), and increased repair costs due to how technicalthey are, they can offer a less exhilarating driving experience.
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Cranks_No_Start@reddit

> can articulate WHY The why is because the earlier models literally had an almost 100% failure rate. Bad enough that they initially gave them an extended warranty after a lawsuit and they still failed.  
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beaushaw@reddit

The older ones from Nissan WERE very unreliable. I think for the most part they are better today. I have a 2016 Civic with a CVT and 230,000 and counting trouble free miles. It is that and a lot of people simply do not like change and will lash out like a toddler whenever something changes.
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jtj5002@reddit

1) They sound funny, unless they are tuned to emulated an automatic, which defeats the whole purpose of CVT. 2) Nissan made some shitty ones. 3) People don't service them every 30k miles or so, resulting in metal soup. 4) They sound funny
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Tony-cums@reddit

Funny how? Like “haha” funny? Do they amuse you? How are they funny?
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StandardLopsided4616@reddit

They sound funny as in weird.
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Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit

The 3rd point. You shouldnt have to service your transmission every 30k nowdays. Thats the biggest deal by far. 100%agree
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

You should service your engine at least every 30,000km, so why not the transmission?
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HankSpank@reddit

At least on a 3rd gen Fit, the issue is Honda didn’t design the CVT to have its oil changed easily like the engine, but it clearly should have. It’s doable in maybe double the time as an oil change with basic tools, but it’s annoying. They should have made the fill port more accessible and figured out a better method than filling it with oil until it’s overflowing out the check port. 
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

What year is that? I’ve had a 2011 and 2013 Honda StepWagon, they each had a different version. I know the latter version is pretty easy to refill, as long as you can keep the car level. The newer ones also have an external filter.
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HankSpank@reddit

2019. The fill port is super inconvenient so I just filled with a fluid injection syringe through the check port. It’s just a bit too futzy for my taste for something that’s supposed to be fairly regular. 
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CompetitiveBox314@reddit

I have a Kia with 230k miles that I bought new with a traditional 6 speed auto. I have never touched the trans fluid in the 14 years I've had it, and it shifts the same now as when new. Having to do fluid changes so often would be a deal breaker for me.
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

Why a deal breaker? Just get it done when you do the engine?
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WhichAd366@reddit

When you do what to the engine?
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

Oil?
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why_is_this_so_@reddit

Make sure you don’t change the fluid. More than likely your clutches/ bands don’t have much friction material left and now your fluid is the friction modifier. Changing it now will likely make it slip. Doing a transmission service every 60k will help prolong the like of the transmission unless consistently used in severe duty cases
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maxsilver@reddit

\> You shouldnt have to service your transmission every 30k nowdays. I agree, but cars are also crazy expensive. They're mostly going in econo-box cars/crossovers with tiny engines (1.2L, 1.3L, 1.5L, 2.0L), which generally aren't towing much anyway. I don't love it, but it's a sensible tradeoff to keep costs low. I can't imagine asking someone to pay an extra $3,000 USD more on a $25k vehicle just for an automatic transmission in something like a Honda HR-V or a Chevy Trailblazer FWD. At this price point, it just makes sense. And at the price point these vehicles need to hit, it's not clear to me that the Automatic Transmissions at that price range would be much better (see [https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/03/here-may-be-why-your-chevy-trax-has-transmission-shudder-and-noise-issues/](https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/03/here-may-be-why-your-chevy-trax-has-transmission-shudder-and-noise-issues/) for automatic transmission issues on the Chevy Trax)
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Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit

The trade off alone on having to do the services on the car is a pain. The problem is the econo boxes had cheap auto transmissions that worked and auto makers switched to this garbage. Its a no win for everyone if something is engineered sub par and needs to be baby sat. And most customers can and will ignore those service intervals. Its 2026 not 1976. Shouldnt have to service fluid on a transmission that often.
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beaushaw@reddit

99% of people will not think they sound funny. My wife and my mother both drive CVT equipped cars. Neither of them even realized their transmissions were different than any other automatic.
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jtj5002@reddit

>unless they are tuned to emulated an automatic, which defeats the whole purpose of CVT.
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beaushaw@reddit

They are not tuned to emulate an automatic. I think you are overestimating how much the average person pays attention to their car.
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u3b3rg33k@reddit

eh not really. it's a cheap way to get a lot of gear ratios. in practice it won't make that much difference to fuel economy. it will make a performance difference if it keeps dropping away from peak power.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

What does "sound funny" mean? Transmissions are supposed to make a sound?
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StandardLopsided4616@reddit

The sound most people are used to when they hit the gas involves the rpm rising to a certain point, shifting, then getting back up to that same rpm. With a cvt when you hit the gas it just sits at one set rpm which sounds really weird. Its not a transmission noise, its just the difference in engine rpm.
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jtj5002@reddit

A properly programed CVT keeps the engine RPM relative to your pedal position and changes effective gear ratio instead. This way if you floor the gas pedal, the engine goes to max torque RPM and stays there. In short, it goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR instead of brrrrRRRRRR brrrrrRRRRR brrrrrrRRRRRR But most of them are programed to not do that, and emulate gear shifts instead, just because that's what people are used to. Also when you don't change the fluid every 30k or so, it turns into a box of metal slushie mixed in with squealing sounds lmao.
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tnsipla@reddit

They make a squealing noise when they slip
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revocer@reddit

There are two big reasons: 1) It feels sluggish. But feeling is whatever. It just accelerates differently. This isn’t the deal breaker though, IMHO. 2) the deal breaker is they wear out faster. The “gears” are connected by a belt. And that metal by wears out due to friction on the “gears”. The wear material clogs up all the innards of the transmission and the “gears”. On occasion belts can actually snap/brake. So they have a shorter lifespan than other transmissions. With that said, you can prolong the life of a CVT. Change the fluid every 20,000 to 30,000 miles. Take out all the friction wear in the old liquid, so it can run on crush fluid.
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Lopsided-Public8205@reddit

I honestly don't care that they wear faster. What I don't get is why they cost as much or more to rebuild than an automatic trans. They should be half the price.
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Responsible-Shoe7258@reddit

Right....and you want a warranty on that rebuild, too. Does that answer the cost question?
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Lopsided-Public8205@reddit

No, that doesn't answer the question. Are you saying they are junk and half of them come back for warranty repairs? Are you saying it's the same amount of effort as an automatic transmission?
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Responsible-Shoe7258@reddit

Yes, and yes.
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revocer@reddit

From what I understand, it is harder to put back together. It seems like it would be easier though, because there are less parts.
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neverfakemaplesyrup@reddit

Yeah, that rubberband feeling never gets better.
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

The rubber band feeling probably has more to do with the driver. Once you learn how to modulate the throttle, it’s not nearly as bad.
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neverfakemaplesyrup@reddit

Honestly I had 6 years with a CVT. Subaru so not as bad as Nissan, and not as bad when others have driven CVTs, so I agree there, but it really just never felt non rubber bandy I did take pride that my sister who gets carsick in CVTs normally didn’t when I drive at least
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>The “gears” are connected by a belt. And that metal by wears out due to friction on the “gears”. The wear material clogs up all the innards of the transmission and the “gears”. On occasion belts can actually snap/brake. So they have a shorter lifespan than other transmissions. Thanks for this explanation.
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revocer@reddit

The CVT belt is not a serviceable item. It is a metal belt. Not a rubber belt.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Okay. Thank you for that clarification.
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RandomGuyDroppingIn@reddit

CVT belts are a little different from typical automotive belts such as for serpentine and timing belt purposes. Since a CVT has gears, a typical CVT belt has teeth that uses a sort of sandwiched binding (the "belt" part) to hold everything together. It's a key functionality in the "continuously variable" part of CVT, as it's not ribbed long ways like pulling a pulley yet is very similar to a timing belt. Service depends on the make. I have a CVT equipped vehicle, a Forester Hybrid, and Subaru recommends a 30,000 mile service window for transmissions. For any vehicle with a CVT you want to follow the maintenance schedule religiously and ideally service ahead of schedule. If the schedule is fluid service every 30K miles, do it every 25K miles.
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FreshTap6141@reddit

they are very sensitive to fluid contamination in the valve body solenoids valves, tiny clearances and sometimes the solenoids shirt out requiring replacement it takes 3 changes to get most of tge fluid out, torque convertor holds most of it
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DreamingDrommer@reddit

Mid to late 2010s Nissan made them terrible and Mopar didn't help either
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Equal-Fee770@reddit

What mopars had cvts? Was it stuff like the dodge journey?
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Stock-Swing-797@reddit

Dodge Caliber was the worst car I've ever taken a wrench too.
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Equal-Fee770@reddit

I’ve only been in a Dodge caliber once. Never really paid attention. I wasn’t the one driving. I had no idea they had CVT. A quick Google search says that they also had a four speed automatic, but that those were actually rare, and the CVT was dominant. To the point that manual calibers were actually more easy to find than a four-speed automatic.
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DreamingDrommer@reddit

Jeep Cherokees
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Equal-Fee770@reddit

I thought they got the fiat 9 speed, like the auto dart and the renegade?
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Nissan doesn't own ALL CVTs though. I am talking about CVT, not Jatco CVT.
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DesperateDon244@reddit

They are fine for everyday driving, not very fun for enthusiasts. That is really the whole thing. If you ask people who enjoy driving, they won't like them. For everyone else, they are fine.
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

I enjoy driving. I’ll take a CVT over a 4-speed auto on a good driving road.
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RollTh3Maps@reddit

As people keep saying to you and you keep ignoring, Nissan just gave them a bad name. It doesn't have to follow absolute logic; it's just public perception. People didn't hear about CVTs much until they started hearing about Nissan's problems with them, so they associate all CVTs with those problems. That's all.
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Ok_Equipment8374@reddit

You can fix a bad product. Shaking a bad reputation is a lot harder
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DreamingDrommer@reddit

As someone that had to have their transmission rebuilt after 30k miles in an Altima they make shitty ones. The belt wore out way to quickly. And when one company fucked up a new standard of transmission to the point that's all they were known for no one will trust that kind usually. Also they feel weird.
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PckMan@reddit

I will not speak about any subjective matters like "driving feel" or niche performance stuff that only concern a small amount of people. From a mechanical standpoint CVTs have a disadvantage compared to traditional automatic transmissions. Their inherent design is one that leaves the transmission more susceptible to wear, and something no one talks about but they should is that they're especially prone to accelerated wear from misuse, **especially** if one drives them like they would a traditional automatic. That's because the average driver is not aware of how each transmission type works and what they should be mindful of. From the average users side the main issue is that most manufacturers are treating them as sealed units. That means that when there's some problem with it, in most cases you can't fix it, because most manufacturers don't sell individual parts for them. That means that you either have to rely on a repair with aftermarket parts that voids warranty, or to fork over a lot of money for a full replacement, even if the problem is actually repairable. You can say whatever you want like "I take care of mine" or "they're reliable so I won't have this problem" but that's just copium. The reality is that no car, no matter how reliable, has zero issues. Issues do crop up and when they do, repairability is very important. CVTs are made to not be repairable by manufacturers which is a scummy tactic but doesn't hurt them much because most people don't know about it or they plan to sell the car after the warranty expires. If you have a CVT, never accelerate suddenly, especially if it's cold. Never lug the engine, never hold the car still on an incline with the throttle. Always be progressive with the throttle and stay on top of CVT maintenance and hope for the best. All this applies to regular CVTs. E-CVTs are different and generally more robust and reliable, though manufacturers also treat those as sealed units. Traditional automatics or manuals are both more robust and reliable than CVTs and they're also repairable.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>If you have a CVT, never accelerate suddenly, especially if it's cold. Thank you for the tip.
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PckMan@reddit

Most of those apply to other transmissions as well but the one that takes the worst beating from it is the CVT by a lot.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

So, you recommend I idle/run the car for a bit (in the cold) to make sure transmission fluid is a bit warmer? Before driving? Also, if you are on incline (say waiting for a green light), what should I do? Switch to N or P?
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PckMan@reddit

You can just get in and go. But drive calmly for the first 5-10 mins or so depending on what the outside temp is. You want the engine and transmission to warm up quicker, you just don't want to strain them while they're still getting up to temp. Even after they're warm, you can drive normally, but avoid sudden acceleration, like mashing the pedal to the floor, especially from a standstill. Never ever hold the car stopped on an incline with the throttle. This goes for all transmissions but it's especially damaging to a CVT. Just use the brakes. Never shift to neutral while underway, including stoplights. You always want to have the ability to accelerate if need be. Just use the brakes.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Thank you. If I may ask another question: So, when you cold start the car in the morning, transmission "bunny hops" when it is super cold and only between very low RPMs. If there are no gears (to be switched), what could be causing this?
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PckMan@reddit

I should add to the list to not crawl at very slow speeds, also applies to inclines. I know this one is unavoidable at certain times but it's better to not go too slowly because the belt can slip. It's most likely the belt slipping. Some people say that's normal and unavoidable, I'd avoid it as much as possible in your place. All the things I mentioned above are more or less things to avoid so that the belt doesn't slip. If the car always does this when cold you might have to wait a couple of minutes for it to warm up.
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Amazing_Nectarine_37@reddit

Not sure why they banned me but I wanted to thank you for your answers and guidance. Much appreciate it.
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YeahIGotNuthin@reddit

What's wrong with CVT? A) Some of them weren't built very strong, so they fail earlier than people are used to cars failing these days. 2) Even when they work like they're supposed to, some people find it weird that the engine speed and the car speed don't rise together. A CVT uses a V-shaped "belt" usually made of metal plates, that rides in a pair of pulleys that have a matching V shaped groove. And these pulleys each have two separate halves - the closer together you squeeze the halves, the further out from the center of the pulley that belt rides, so the "bigger" that pulley is, as far as the belt is concerned. And, the further apart you let the two halves go, the further down into the groove the belt can ride, which makes it a "smaller" pulley as far as the belt is concerned. It's basically a pulley this **\\--/** wide that can narrow down to this **\\ /** wide, where the belt is maybe shaped like **\\-/**. The good thing is, instead of a set number of gear ratios from "first gear" to "whatever number the highest gear is," it has a basically infinite number of choices between its minimum and maximum gear ratios. So, you can always keep the engine at its most efficient RPM for the speed you're going. The bad thing is, this all puts a lot of strain on the pulleys, and the belt, and the mechanism that moves each pulley's halves further apart / closer together. It's a lot of friction, and a lot of heat, and it's hard on the transmission fluid, and it's hard on the belt and the pulley surfaces. So, it's expensive to make one that's robust, and the parts need to be big and strong, but there's not room so you make them smaller. And it's expensive and difficult to heat-treat everything so it stays strong and doesn't wear fast. And in the case of the 4-cyl Nissans from 2012 to 2019 or so, the company that made THOSE transmissions didn't do such a great job. So, the parts wear out faster than anything comparable on other cars. Changing the fluid frequently helps. Also, because there's "one best RPM" for making power, flooring the car tends to have the engine rev up to its power peak and stay there while the transmission changes ratios to speed the car up, so it feels weird to drive, it's a little like driving a motorboat - the revs stay mostly the same, and the vehicle speeds up in a way that doesn't match the engine's sound. Some people find that weird and off-putting. Nissan V6 fwd cars (altima 3.5, Maxima) used a better CVT. Nissan RWD cars used a different transmission. Nissan 4-cyl cars from 2020 and later use a different CVT that's better. So, those all last longer than the millions of Sentras / Versas / 2.5 Altimas / Rogues / Kicks / Jukes out there with transmission problems.
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KGKSHRLR33@reddit

The Honda/acura ones aren't bad. Just take care of it. Do the maintenance and youll be ok. They arent as bad as people make them out to be.. People mainly just dont like theres no gears. People just like to complain.
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workntohard@reddit

There is nothing inherently wrong with CVT, I t’s another form of transmission. It’s not worth the arguments that come up since it mostly comes down to personal preference. There are specific cases where one may be better than another but these are at the edges of most drivers who don’t care. I know someone who only wants manual transmission vehicle to drive, doesn’t want automatic in any form.
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Prudent_Pack2738@reddit

They're great, I love them
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elmariachi304@reddit

CVTs get a bad rap because they’re not great at performance or reliability. If a manufacturer chose to put one in a car, it’s for one reason and one reason only— to save money. There is always a better choice than a CVT if you can afford it.
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illinest@reddit

They feel bad. Their normal state of operation feels pretty similar to the way a conventional automatic transmission feels when it's failing. If you dont understand what I mean then I recommend you don't dig any further. Ignorance is bliss. Just enjoy your cvt and ask no further questions. Understanding this won't make you any happier.
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Justaviewer10@reddit

Cvt’s are the most efficient transmission for fuel economy plus adequate power delivery and smoothness. Nissan cvt’s are like snowmobiles and they use a belt (rubber) to deliver power where traditional transmissions use metal gears and synchros to shift gears and deliver power. Rubber wears out over time a lot faster than metal and then you have to take apart the whole thing to replace it (very expensive) Toyota cvt’s are amazing, they use planetary gear sets, kinda like traditional transmissions but different and I don’t fully understand them cause they’re extremely complex but there’s no rubber so there’s no weak point that is almost guaranteed to fail given a certain amount of miles. Cvt’s have no gears and so if you floor it the engine will rev up to peak power and you will just accelerate, and accelerate with no hiccups because there is no shifting. Feels quite weird when you’re used to manual cars or slower/older automatics that you can feel the shift of each gear. By having no gears they technically have infinite gears and can choose the perfect gear ratio for your task, ex: driving up a hill, highway cruising or drag racing And it automatically adjusts the gear ratio as you accelerate. There’s a couple YouTube videos that explain how the different cvt’s deliver power and it’s pretty interesting but baseline is avoid Nissan cvt’s that have the belt drive. Planetary gear set cvt’s are great so no reason to avoid those, unless you want the fastest transmission or the feel of shifting as cvt’s are almost always designed to be fuel efficient and put down some power, not as sport oriented as DCT’s
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ValuableInternal1435@reddit

They use a rubber belt. That alone should be enough of a reason, but also they're trash. It's inside the transmission and servicing it is a major job.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>They use a rubber belt.  Some commenters said belt is actually metal.
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eldredo_M@reddit

My 2010 Honda Insight was my first car with an automatic—a CVT. Sure, it’s not a manual, but paired with paddle shifters it felt pretty good. Jump ahead 9 years and I’m in a rental car in Utah, a Hyundai Kona. I hit the gas to go up a mountain and the loud gear shift and subsequent high revs startled me. Did not improve my opinions of traditional automatics. CTV for me (have since gone full EV).
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Your Honda transmission died or did you just upgrade?
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Odd_Activity_8380@reddit

Impregnated rubber band with steel driven by 2 snowmobile clutches is how I was explained it. The band stretches and causes excessive heat build up
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

Most car ones are metal push belts. No stretching.
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spiderminbatmin@reddit

I think why they are “bad” is because they are go-kart and lawnmower transmissions. No defined gears, no shifting, just weird belt driven golf cart acceleration. Car people want crisp gears to shift. They want good control. CVTs are just bland, press the “go pedal” kind of driving.
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soupisgoodfood42@reddit

I’m a car guy. Always confused when another car guy tries to explain why I don’t like something.
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gvbargen@reddit

People don't like their power delivery and how they sound. There are a few examples that have been highly unreliable. Some people probably think of the CVT in their 4wheeler or snowmobile and know that's not as reliable as they want their car to be. Cars CVTs are pretty different, and 4-wheelers anymore can be bigger than small cars were in the 90s so yah why not.
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Old-guy64@reddit

So, I grew up on Ford C4 and C6 autos. You knew when they shifted. I have noted that as cars have more and more gears in them, it’s harder to feel them shifting. With a CVT the shifting in the early ones was very “rubber bandy”. And it made for a slow motion jerkiness. So, car guys don’t like them because they feel funky to drive. I may need to try a newer one to see if they’ve improved on that. But that’s why I don’t like them.
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melikeycars@reddit

In a vaccum, not much besides shorter than average lifespan. CVTs are harder to fix and usually just get replaced which can be much more expensive. That said alot of modern non cvt autos can fall under the same bracket of issues. Main concern is its behavior which is non traditional. There is no active shift points, so most people find it odd. I am one of those.
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Old_Cars@reddit

Nissan was one of the earliest adopters of the CVT and they have a lot of issues out them it gave the cvt as a whole a bad reputation. Outside of that my issue with them is I like manual transmissions more than automatics and a CVT is about as far away from the feeling of a manual as it gets. I prefer to feel a transmission shift it makes me feel more connected and I don’t get that at all with a CVT or even an automatic with anything more than 6 speeds.
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Responsible-Shoe7258@reddit

When they fail, they're scrap. No one rebuilds Nissan CVTs. You're out 5 to 6 grand to put a new transmission in an essentially worthless vehicle.
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A_Bungus_Amungus@reddit

My Subaru crosstrek cvt was still running as good as it did new when i sold it at 160k miles. I put all 160k on myself so i know it never had an issue.
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nadanutcase@reddit

Most CVT designs depend on something like a chain that's under very high tension sliding back and forth over two cones to adjust the input/ output gear ratio. As they age the pump that maintains the tension in that chain weakens. Then it starts to slip which causes heat, which, in turn, leads to failure. A better design is how Toyota's eCVT works. But they must have it tied with patents because no one else uses their approach.
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IWuzRunnin@reddit

Nothing wrong with them, as long as they're used properly. A belt on cones is not as strong as intermeshed gears. As far as Nissan, I don't think it was as much a problem with cvt in general, but how they implemented it.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

So, CVT isn't intermeshed metal gears? Okay, first explanation that makes a bit sense.
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IWuzRunnin@reddit

Looks like pictures are disabled here, but Google "cvt belt and cones" to see what the internals look like.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Appreciate the guidance. Everyone is busy talking about Nissan, for some reason, and you were the only one who cared to explain like I am 5. So, the answer is unlike traditional metal-gear transmission, CVT use some sort of a belt to adjust and that is not as robust?
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StandardLopsided4616@reddit

The belt is usually made of metal, and its submerged in fluid, so no drying out. It just degrades faster because a metal belt isnt as durable as actual gears.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Okay. Thank you.
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IWuzRunnin@reddit

Yeah, two opposite facing metal cones have a belt on them. The belt moves back and forth (or v pulley sliding) on the cones to simulate gear ratios. There are some variations between different models for how the cones or v shaped pulleys are designed
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StandardLopsided4616@reddit

Just look up a diagram of one, and an explanation of how they work?? Reddit is not good for researching something you know nothing about. Get your base level of knowledge from Google.
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RedditFandango@reddit

Here is an explainer and the comments provide the range of opinions with examples: https://youtu.be/cb6rIZfCuHI?si=qiVMi0J2ti1z6OYd
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Keagan12321@reddit

That was a fantastic explanation of how cvts work.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Will watch it. Thank you.
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gravelpi@reddit

Belt-style CVTs have had some reliability issues, mostly Jatco. But like a lot of things, something new, something bad happened to a portion, everyone assumes all variations are garbage. The eCVT in Toyota hybrids is really cool and has nothing to do with the issues "CVTs" are known for, as it's a completely different design. It's also not the drivetrain you'd pick as an enthusiast (generally speaking), and most people that talk about cars fall into that category.
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bmiller218@reddit

To the OP - the Toyota eCVT has a "launch gear" where the start from a stop uses 2 meshed gears instead of the belt. The other upside is the cones and belt don't need to handle as great a range of ratios
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gravelpi@reddit

I don't pretend to know all the variants, but there's no belt anywhere in the newer eCVT versions. It's all planetary gears, a gas motor, and a couple electric motors.
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VoidingSounds@reddit

Yeah, the eCTVs (Hybrid Synergy Drive and it's descendants) are legitimately good and IMO probably the best transportation appliance ICE drivetrains on the market. The fact that it feeds in electric power to give you torque as soon as you depress the throttle instead of having to wait for the engine to rev up (and start building boost) saves you from feeling like your gas pedal is attached by rubber band. You're right, I wouldn't want one in a sports car though.
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CameronsTheName@reddit

CVT's on paper are an amazing transmission. Want power, it'll "slip" and use the upper rev range. Want fuel economy, it'll "slip" and sit low in rev range. There's no shifting, it is basically just a belt or chain wrapped around two cones giving you one super variable gear. Thus why they are called a Continuously Variable Transmission. In 1993 F1 trialed CVT's and subsequently banned them because they were 3 seconds faster around a track compared to normal manual / automatic gearboxs and they were concerned the cars would be to fast for the safety. The con is that this is a wear item in most cases. They are inherently difficult to repair and they don't get serviced anywhere near as much as they should. Nissan made some really bad CVT's. My girlfriends got a 2012ish Nissan CVT and it's still going fine at 230k, but we service it early and don't treat the car badly. It's an in town only car, rarely ever goes on the highway and never through harsh/long mountain trails in an attempt to extend the life as much as possible.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

>Want power, it'll "slip" and use the upper rev range. Want fuel economy, it'll "slip" and sit low in rev range. There's no shifting, it is basically just a belt or chain wrapped around two cones giving you one super variable gear. Thus why they are called a Continuously Variable Transmission. Thank you so much for this explanation.
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No_Win7658@reddit

Technically it’s fine, it’s just very unpleasant to drive for most of us
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murphydcat@reddit

I wonder myself. My CVT Honda has 230,000 trouble-free miles on it. I change the transmission fluid every 30,000 miles.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

I don't understandf why everyone assumes only Nissan have CVT. I feel like I am battle with AI bots. Crazy.
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ttoma93@reddit

You are quite literally the *only* one here making that assumption. There are half a dozen people here giving you pretty good answers about why CVTs garnered an (unfair and inaccurate) poor impression with the public. You seem incapable of actually reading and comprehending what they are saying, and instead keep latching onto “but I don’t own a Nissan!” when literally nobody is claiming you do.
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Outlier70@reddit

NOBODY ASSUMES THAT!. YOU keep saying that everyone is saying that. But nobody is actually suggesting that. You are misunderstanding.
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beaushaw@reddit

My 2016 Honda also has 230,000 trouble free miles on the CVT. I change the fluid when Honda recommends I change it.
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Old_Cockroach_2993@reddit

I'm personally not a fan. I like to drive. I like to hear the car going through the gears, so there's that. I'm not a mechanic so I could be wrong here but it's significantly more friction. More friction, more heat! They are probably fine for driving like a normal person but if you drive your vehicle hard or tow with it you are not getting the same lifespan as a standard automatic transmission. So sound and feel and longevity is what I'm pitching a bitch about.
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Big_Q_Numero_Uno@reddit

Lack of maintenance is whats wrong with them, everyone wants to blame the mechanic or the car when majority of problems root from neglect
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riennempeche@reddit

Many of the CVTs I have driven feel very slow to respond. They are programmed to maximize fuel economy and just don't want to accelerate at even a normal pace. It takes a bit for the transmission to change the ratio and it feels like the car is just sitting there. With a torque converter automatic, you are in first gear and there is no need to wait. Combine that lag in acceleration with an engine that is underpowered to begin with, and you have a recipe for a poor driving experience. CVTs (other than eVCTs as used by Toyota mostly) have historically been less reliable as a transmission and more expensive to replace. They often cannot be rebuilt, at least not in the same way as many conventional automatics. People naturally expect the engine exhaust note to rise and fall. Some of this is past experience, but there is also some human nature in this. We perceive steady noises as more irritating than rising and falling ones. Maybe it's our innate musical ear that causes this. The optimal implementation of a CVT would keep the engine at a fixed RPM with the RPM changing as needed to increase power. This results in a tinny, buzzy sound that is less pleasant. Automakers know this too, so they program the CVTs to emulate a traditional automatic transmission in some cases. However, this defeats some of the mileage benefits.
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QueenAlpaca@reddit

They're not the greatest as it stands. But at the same time, the first traditional automatics weren't, either. It took time and polishing to make them fairly robust. I have a CVT in my Subaru, I work at a dealership, and we're replacing far more CVTs than we are traditional automatics.
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Flamadin@reddit

They don't seem to handle too much power well. I would only accept one on a low powered vehicle. Some brands were poorly made, at least at first. CVT on my little Honda still working great 14 years later.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Yea. Honda has CVT too. Everyone commenting is assuming only Nissans use CVT. Don't get why they keep talking about Nissan's Jatco CVT. I already clarified it is not Nissan. So weird.
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machetemonkey@reddit

The reason Nissan gets thrown around so much is that they adopted CVTs early and *widely*. In the mid-‘00s, other brands used them for maybe one or two models, but Nissan adopted them across nearly their *entire lineup*. So for quite a while, consumers as a whole didn’t really know that CVTs existed outside of Nissan. That means that when the Nissan/Jatco CVT started failing at a tremendous rate, consumers associated that failure as a weakness with the transmission technology as a whole, rather than with one particular example of it. So yes, “Nissan gave CVTs as a whole a bad reputation” is a true statement, even if CVTs from other brands don’t necessarily *deserve* that reputation. This is why people keep bringing up Nissan even though you’ve repeatedly said you don’t own one. Yours may be fine, but in the minds of many consumers, CVTs are historically associated with Nissan and their early, widespread, failure-prone Jatco units. It might not be fair, but it is the dynamic at play!
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Longjumping-Log1591@reddit

Old Nissan CVT =Bad Newer and New CVT by other brands and even Nissan m=Good
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luiscor2537@reddit

Several are not serviceable when the bands break, and many shops will just not service them all together
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dr-pangloss@reddit

What exactly are you doing? Are you role playing a 5 year old? Are you a troll? Is your English not very good? Or a perhaps you are just very dense? Nobody knows.
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zrad603@reddit

It's like driving a car on a rubber band.
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Equal-Fee770@reddit

The way I think about it is it shifts the way that a mountain bicycle shifts. I used his tears at different intervals and a chain linkage of some sort. The chain operating like a belt for the way that other people have commented. And it can shipped on the fly so it can apply the pressure correctly to the right gear ratio. But it ends up feeling like a broken transmission if you’re used to transmission with normal gears in them.
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xskylinelife@reddit

Modern CVTs really aren't bad at all. They're slow but that's about it. The earlier iterations of them were quite brittle and gave them a bad name which they still carry today. If you see someone with a new car complaining about CVT problems, it's the owners' fault, not the transmissions.
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itsjakerobb@reddit

The concept is sound. But there are two problems, one of which isn’t a problem with the CVT itself, but with the people who buy them: 1. They make cars sound and feel different than traditional automatics, and a lot of drivers don’t expect/understand that this isn’t a problem, so they bring the car back to the dealership complaining that something is wrong. 2. Other types of transmissions have decades more history of successful engineering and deployment, whereas CVT is relatively new. We don’t quite have all the kinks worked out, so sometimes they cause real problems. These problems are most likely to affect drivers who subject their cars to extremes. Hard acceleration, sudden changes, extreme temperatures or changes in temperature, harsh weather conditions, etc.
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WorkMeBaby1MoreTime@reddit

I have a 2016 Honda Civic EX-T coupe (T means turbo). The combo of the CVT and turbo means when you stand on it, it goes straight to redline where you get max boost from the turbo and it GOES. Then when you back off, it gets great mileage. Love the car. Just got a Nissan Frontier also, it's got a 9 speed, I find it annoying. The Civic is ALWAYS in the right gear, the truck never seems to be and makes nearly double the HP, the Civic feels faster.
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AgeNo5720@reddit

nissan gave them a bad reputation. also they sound like shit, and are typically paired with crappy 4 cylinder engines with no power in economy cars, which makes them feel and sound even worse
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Kooky_Universe2183@reddit

CVTs: "Turning horsepower into despair" (not mine, stolen from YT) One of the bid negatives about them, is the cost to repair when they start going south. People who have been burned by CVT failure are typically not inclined to buy another CVT.
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finnbee2@reddit

As I understand it the CVT requires more attention than a manual or traditional automatic transmission. We just traded off a 2014 Subaru Crosstrek with 229,000 miles on it. We replaced it with a 2021 Crosstrek. We plan on changing the CVT and transaxel fluids along with the engine oil on a regular basis and expect it to run as well as the first one.
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Desperate_Exercise13@reddit

Nothing unless you have a Nissan
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Captkarate42@reddit

There are multiple types. Planetary gear setups and e-cvts are different and more reliable than basic cone and belt style. Cvt's have existed for a long time and are used in things like snowmobiles, where they work fantastically due to low overall weight and low traction providing low force feedback through the driveline. The early modern Nissan and Dodge automotive cvts were belt and cone style, and the engineers who designed them severely underestimated the lifespan of the parts used in an application like a car with significant weight and full traction nearly all the time. Your transmission is a load bearing driveline component, and that load is determined by the weight of the vehicle, how quickly you are trying to accelerate, and how much traction you have. Load and friction generate heat. Heat is less kind to the belts in these early cvt examples over time than it is to metal gears.
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Substantial-Onion-92@reddit

They are a mechanical tool that has a time and place for use. They are not terrible in the right application. General hate comes from Jatco CVT like you mentioned, but even the good ones still require frequent maintenance and do not handle large amounts of power well. For a compact city car? They can be excellent. My buddy had a Polaris ATV with a CVT, there was a tiny crack in the clutch case, and as soon as he went through a tiny puddle the CVT would just slip and ATV was inoperable. An ATV with actual gears would have kept going. All my snowmobiles have CVTs and they are the most effective transmission for them. Sometimes belts break but they are easy to replace. They work great.
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Scott43206@reddit

I drove a Subaru Legacy with one from 2015-2019 and it was felt plenty peppy (my other car was a Mustang GT). Just look at Consumer Report's reliability in the annual auto issue (2026 should still be on newsstands) for the specific car you're considering too see if the CVT is an issue for that particular model.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

I am not considering a car purchase. I already own the car. It comes with CVT. I was trying to understand why it is bad (as unreliable).
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Fishinabowl11@reddit

It goes "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" instead of "WAHHHH WAHHHH WAHHHHH WAHHHH"
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

Like Harry?
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Total-Improvement535@reddit

they’re great in theory. the issue is, they’re not used in practice the way they should be. they also don’t like to be beat on and neglected, nor do they like being strapped to a powerful engine
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MainelyKahnt@reddit

They fell victim to the "m-16 dilemma". Like the m-16 in Vietnam, they were billed as never needing the regular maintenance that previous auto transmissions did. Manufacturers removed the transmission fluid replacement maintenance item from maintenance schedules entirely in many cases. Dear reader, they do in fact need fluid changes. In fact, much like the m-16 they actually needed MORE regular maintenance to ensure proper function than their predecessors and the general public basically had to sus this out on their own and without warranty in many cases. Additionally, the design can't handle higher loads as well so they are prone to breaking in larger/heavier/more powerful cars. This was also not mentioned by the manufacturers, but tbf they might not have known this from the get-go as it was a new technology. They became prolific because of how cheap they are to produce and mass standardization of power trains across entire lineups meant almost everything had/has them. Basically it's a perfect storm of new tech, misunderstanding of limits/use case, incorrect maintenance instructions from manufacturers, and lack of public knowledge of all these faults.
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alanbdee@reddit

It all comes down to Nissan and them not fixing a poorly designed CVT. Which led to many, many people disliking not just that car but both Nissan and CVT transmissions. Most other manufactures don't have the same issues. Most other manufactures would have cut their losses and dropped in an old standard automatic when they couldn't fix the CVT. Nissan knew it was bad and they kept making them for years. Their inability to pivot is the problem.
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Turbulent_Winter549@reddit

Not that something is "wrong" with them (aside from Nissan's big issue), it's just they require strict maintenance and if something goes wrong it's typically expensive to fix
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bangbangracer@reddit

The biggest problem are the bad examples. Early CVTs and the one Nissan was using through the 2010s had a lot of reliability issues. And by reliability issues, they had a tendency to just break apart spectacularly. Really, they are pretty awesome machines. They keep you in an efficient RPM range, and can put you in the power when needed. Also, they just kind of feel weird if you are used to normal shifting.
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Bulocoo@reddit

Simply put. Look at new car warranties for cvt cars. 100k is pretty much standard for powertrain warranties. Nissan still offers like 84k for the transmission. Subaru offers 100k. Easy to figure out. A Toyota non-cvt would go 200-300k. I would not expect that from a Nissan CVT. One issue is owner maintenance. A CVT definitely.needs it and most drivers don't do recommended maintenance. You buy new and do exactly like Nissan says and you could get great life. Buy used and you are buying a lottery ticket.
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Sp00nD00d@reddit

They sound amazing on paper... In practice... Eh...
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

What does that mean? What sound? Transmission makes a sound? I said explain like I am 5 bro.
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Dzessito@reddit

When working properly it keeps your car in optimal rpm range when accelerating making driving super smooth, continuous like electric motor would and saves fuel too. Mine when not putting foot to the floor keeps the car (diesel) always between 1200-1500 rpm. Experience will vary on other motor/engines. If driving in complete silence the car is quiet enough that I hear a faint wooooooo sound from cvt. It's annoying as hell but I always have bass pumping so I'm good on that front.
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StopNowThink@reddit

1 speed transmission make engine do lot of work. 4 speed transmission make engine do less work. Many many many speed transmission make engine do least work. CVT is many many many speed transmission. "Sounds good on paper" mean should be good idea. In practice, companies make them only have "many" speeds, and use cheap materials. They break when not maintained.
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Busy_Account_7974@reddit

Also, with certain brands, the dealer couldn't just "fix" the CVT, but had to install a brand new one from the OEM since no parts were available. Couldn't get a rebuilt one until you had enough bad ones for the parts. Subaru at one point required the broken CVT returned in order to get a new one.
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billwoodcock@reddit

Material properties. They’re one of those things that work great in theory, and work ok in the lab, but if you try to put a lot of torque through them in real-world conditions, you’d better have made them really, really well. So, in short, they tend to be best used not too near the tolerances of the materials from which they’re made.
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Amazing_Nectarine_34@reddit (OP)

But people say CVT is not reliable. So, if it is on an underpowered sedan with a 1.4 engine, it is fine?
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mds818@reddit

It is fine in every underpowered vehicle, it's just not a transmission that can sustain torque of a turbocharged engine (now, don't come to me with some 1.0tsi that has 150nm) and it's not a transmission that can skyrocket off the red light.... It's not "bad", it's just built differently compared to the other transmissions
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Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit

Another person posted having to service them evety 30k or they turn into metal soup. Most regular auto transmissions dont have to be serviced now for 100k+ miles. The cvt fluid is expensive and the design is made to break faster than the regular auto. To compound the issue theres not a rebuild market because internal parts are hard to come by. It drives the price up even higher.
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SirWillae@reddit

Nothing. They're fine. 
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ReasonableRevenue218@reddit

I drove one yesterday. Seems fine. A little different feel in the seat, but they seem to work.
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Specialist-Eye-6964@reddit

There isn’t really any fixing them either…..most of the time if it breaks it’s catastrophic and you need to replace it. And a lot of shops won’t even work on them.
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AlphaDisconnect@reddit

You have a cvt. You didn't change the fridge every gas change. A lot just break.
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SaoirseMayes@reddit

CVTs aren't bad, manufacturers just like to put them in too large of cars that puts too much stress on them.
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mds818@reddit

It's incredibly slow, it doesn't sustain stress at all... and it's basically only well suited for cars that have next to no power and for drivers which are basically in driving school.
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