Do Americans dream of traveling or settling abroad (excluding Japan) like others dream of the U.S?
Posted by stanldrr@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 967 comments
I’ve always been curious about this.
A lot of people from other countries grow up dreaming about visiting or even settling in the U.S
it’s often seen as a big destination with a lot of opportunities and cultural influence
So I was wondering, for Americans, what countries do you personally dream of traveling to or even settling in?
CollenOHallahan@reddit
Not really. The US is a vast country. Whatever you are looking for, we have it here.
JefeRex@reddit
This. I lived in Germany for a few years and loved it. But the reason was the beautiful culture and people, because in a practical sense it is tiny and restricted. The US’s enormous population and economy mean that you can work at lower or the highest levels of any field or industry, change industries, have and visit family in Miami and Chicago, live in Los Angeles like me where it is so diverse that we have ten threshold languages in which all government services must be provided by law… in almost all other countries you have to choose a somewhat narrow life and then leave the county anyway if your needs or desires change.
Some countries are more like ours in that respect, Brazil or China maybe, but not many.
sjedinjenoStanje@reddit
I've lived abroad (3 different countries) and I agree it's the US's diversity, variety, and choice you end up missing the most.
raduisbae@reddit
And it’s true that europeans on reddit will eagerly admit that europe is much more racist than the States and that certain groups such as asians in the States are smarter then the people in all european nations, which is statistically true as well lmao
trer24@reddit
Except a useful public transportation system
sacrelicio@reddit
Eh, really depends. Some US cities are really good, most are fine. Many places in the EU deal with infrequent and inconvenient transit. It's just not seen as weird or low class to rely on it.
ThePainStalker@reddit
Yeah I hate this “public transit” argument for Europe. Here’s the reality, Europeans are a lot poorer and pay far more for car expenses. Irish people may use transit more but certainly not because it’s better (I know many coworkers with 1.5-2+ hour bus commutes each way, in fact that’s why I drive in in 35 minutes instead), it’s because gas is $8 a gallon ($9 with the current energy crisis) and in general, people are poorer and spend much more of their earnings on energy and housing (where rent is now approaching $2500 a month in my city on average and yes, that’s for a 1 bed apartment seriously). I know cause I’ve lived in America, even students there were so much more spendthrifty: eating out way more and they could afford crazy inefficient pickup trucks for themselves. It’s a poverty problem (my coworkers earning like $40k a year gross with a Master’s degree cannot simply afford to own a car and the absolute scam that is vehicle registration tax here that can double the cost of a used car), not a “willingness to use transit” problem.
Eihe3939@reddit
Not everyone dreams of having to drive every day. I’m very happy I don’t even need a car and can rely on public transport. I’d argue some Western European countries provide a higher life quality than the US
ThePainStalker@reddit
But you can do the same in the US too? I mean I’ve lived in the US, they absolutely have public transport (often better than Ireland which generally has horrendous infrastructure in general) in most major cities that is functional (major being like 500k+ in population). Even if it’s only buses, it’s absolutely mostly still functional provided you don’t live too far out.
Eihe3939@reddit
Ireland is like the worst example, their capital doesn’t even have a metro. The us public transport is very underdeveloped and full of homeless, needles and dirt
sacrelicio@reddit
And you can easily live near transit lines here in the US but a lot of people don't want to if they have the choice. My house is surrounded by bus lines but almost everyone still drives.
RedRedBettie@reddit
it depends on where you're at generally. My area has a good system and lots of bike trails and transit. But overall yes you def need a car in a lot of places
I didn't drive a lot of the time that I lived in Seattle and worked downtown and was fine
landonop@reddit
Depends where you are
sacrelicio@reddit
My wife was in France and Belgium for work and said that a lot of people had long and annoying commutes via transit. It's just that in the US you wouldn't accept that and you'd buy a car.
MountainDude95@reddit
Oh really! Where is the place where Trump that is not president in the U.S.? Because I will move there immediately.
yourlittlebirdie@reddit
Except affordable healthcare.
RedSolez@reddit
We do have that, depending on your profession. I work in the public school system and have amazing /cheap healthcare.
min_mus@reddit
I work for a public university and my healthcare isn't cheap at all.
5corch@reddit
As with almost everything in the US, it's highly variable based on your specific location and employer. I work in utilities and have amazing nearly free healthcare, but the utility a few miles away pays $800 a month for a family. As always your mileage may vary.
RedRedBettie@reddit
for the most part yes but it isn't as crazy expensive if you have good insurance
MasterShake807@reddit
We have that too…..you just have to join the military.
yourlittlebirdie@reddit
Come for the healthcare, stay for the sexual assault!
Eihe3939@reddit
Ugh. The American exceptionalism at full display.
RhinoPillMan@reddit
Except universal healthcare 😔
Left-Consequence-976@reddit
Or an effective rail transit system.
94grampaw@reddit
Just dont have health problems, losers get sick
typetiming@reddit
brutal
el_butt@reddit
I travel enough for work I do not dream of it for leisure. As for settling, I’d kill myself before permanently leaving the country.
she-dont-use-jellyyy@reddit
Some do. There are 342 million of us, you know. We're not all the same.
DOMSdeluise@reddit
why is Japan excluded in your parenthetical
texan_robot@reddit
I think OP is trying to pre-exclude neck beards that think Japan is just like anime.
This is a ridiculously tiny part of the population, but I can't think of any other reason to call out Japan. This says more about OP than the American public, unless im way off base here.
CloudCumberland@reddit
How many want the dense, urban setting, and who like trains?
TomSki2@reddit
Have you been to Japan? Vast areas feel rural, almost empty, including almost all Hokkaido, this dense, urban thing is not a given.
Actually, while I wouldn't live in Japan, this is such a great place to spend long stretches of time in. These days quite cheap too!
Kamwind@reddit
Hokkaido prefecture it are great, until the winter. I don't have a problem with ice and snow, not my favorite but livable and Hokkaido is just to terrible. If had the only once I retired it would be a great spring and fall location.
that said the problem is unless you are retired there are not many jobs for non-Japanese, so you are forced to be in the large urban areas and in Japan that is rather bad. Having spent some months in Japan I got a job on the outer metro area of Seoul, Korea and like this far more than I do Japan.
TomSki2@reddit
Well, snow is the reason why people from all over flock to Hokkaido in the winter. I couldn't have enough of it. But if you don't ski, it must be awful, I get it.
elbosston@reddit
Staying in Japan long term isn’t as sunshine and rainbows as it seems. That would mean getting a job and the Japan work culture might be the worst in the world. The hours worked are ridiculously long and this is reflected in their high suicide rates.
Kamwind@reddit
That is not a problem as a foreigner, you are considered outside the culture so are not forced to do all that stuff. That can depend on the job.
TomSki2@reddit
Agreed. But I wouldn't think of working for a Japanese company, just doing some remote work for long-time stateside clients.
This winter, I was in a bit of a shock how inexpensive Japan became, a nice one bdrms next to Skytree, $550/week, try the same in Paris, London or NYC, lol. Or a huge bowl of rich ramen for $6 at a ski resort vs. $15 for a shitty slice of pizza in Vail, not to mention $45 lift tickets vs.$300+. Being awake from the naked grid for a while heals your soul.
eric39es@reddit
Pizza at Vail is so hyped up and it’s not even that good
ColoradoCattleCo@reddit
Dude, I can promise you one thing… it’s NOT the locals buying $300 lift tickets and $15 pizza. You get the local pass, use the shit out of it, throw a snack in your pocket, and hit happy hour at a hole-in-the-wall joint afterwards.
TomSki2@reddit
Of course, I know the drill. It's more about some faceless corporation setting up the whole thing for maximum profit, all the rest be damned. Just leaves you with the bad feeling.
avelineaurora@reddit
Tell me you know nothing about the country but stereotypes without telling me etc etc.
ImpressNo3129@reddit
I love how all you trolls hide your comment history, it lets normal people immediately know you're a giant piece of shit who knows nothing about the real world and should be ignored.
Eihe3939@reddit
So the Japanese work culture seem sane and balanced to you? And you mentioned racism against Japan earlier, not sure if anyone is as racist as them. Very polite people though
avelineaurora@reddit
Was going to take this comment seriously until I read this bit, lol.
Eihe3939@reddit
Well they’re certainly more racist than any Western European country. It’s practically an ethnostate. But as I mentioned most will never notice this since it’s a very polite culture
avelineaurora@reddit
Lol.
I'll wait until you bring up roma literally anywhere in Europe, or muslims in literally anywhere, or the fact Rowan Atkinson made this satire twenty years ago and it's barely any less relevant.
People like you like to come in here dropping holier-than-thou takes about Japan supposedly being this racist shithole, while casually ignoring the fact that while there are racial concerns nearly none of it is in the form of the West's outright hatred at best and violent danger at worst.
"Oh no, I can't go into this particular restaurant." Problem, yes. Would I prefer it to being concerned about my neighbor smashing my windows in if they knew I was a lesbian? Fucking christ yes.
Eihe3939@reddit
It’s easy to be polite to everyone in an ethnostate. If the demographics of Western Europe would look the same, we’d be less racist than Japan. It’s not a shithole, I’m just tired of autistic weebs making it out to be heaven on earth.
elbosston@reddit
I have friends that live and work there and they complain about how long the hours are. They get called back into the office on weekend nights too.
avelineaurora@reddit
And Americans don't?
elbosston@reddit
In America it really depends on your job. In Japan, working overtime is the norm. It’s a really cool place to visit but the work culture stereotype exists for a reason.
Talk to someone who actually lives and works there and they’ll tell you their experience about it.
avelineaurora@reddit
It's wild you think I'm just talking out of my ass about this.
CobandCoffee@reddit
Hokkaido and other rural parts of Japan were my favorite parts of visiting. I remember driving around Kyushu in the south and calling it "Jappalachia" because it started feeling like I was in a Japanese version of eastern Kentucky.
avelineaurora@reddit
I can't believe I've never heard "Jappalachia" before, bro that sent me lmao.
With you for sure though, rural Japan is just a vibe.
CobandCoffee@reddit
Felt like it for sure. You'd be driving through a little town in the hills that had the Japanese equivalent of a dollar general, one open gas station, one abandoned gas station, and maybe a tiny run down mom and pop restaurant. I loved it.
CloudCumberland@reddit
I've never been. That's my #1 place to go next. I don't have a job, so I won't squander my savings. Once I get another job, let's just hope I can cobble together the time.
texan_robot@reddit
Sure, those are good points, but any large European city has the same things going for it.
Also, I'd argue that the large cultural differences between the US and Japan push those benefits down to make it just as likely a destination as, say, France.
Team503@reddit
It’s the car culture that would appeal to me.
texan_robot@reddit
Dublin does have a noticeably poor public trnasport system for Europe. Ive considered moving to Cork, though.
Team503@reddit
Dublins transport system is way better than Cork’s just FYI.
texan_robot@reddit
Ah, but Cork is so much smaller. I just walked most places when I was there.
Team503@reddit
That it is. I walk most places in Dublin and only take the bus or LUAS when I’m going far, but I get your point.
xcalibar0@reddit
I mean people also romanticize Europe to an absurd degree it's kind of funny to act like it's only japan
SlyRoundaboutWay@reddit
It may be a tiny part of the population, but it's probably a disproportionately high part of the reddit population.
screenwatch3441@reddit
I honestly think it’s oddly the opposite. Unless I’m in a a subreddit more tailored to Japanese taste (I see a lot of anime and video game subreddits), I find a lot more people shit talking Japan here than anywhere else.
ToumaKazusa1@reddit
It's definitely swung the other way where people try to distinguish themselves as not being neckbeards by talking about Japan like it's a dystopian hellhole, despite the fact that it's a very nice (if flawed) country.
avelineaurora@reddit
This shit drives me up a wall, as someone actually familiar with the country and culture beyond nerdery (even though I am also a huge nerd, lol). It gets to the point any time I see a post about Japan on Reddit I just back out of the comments because I know it's going to be full of people falling all over themselves to be casually racist as fuck.
MishkaZ@reddit
Yeah me and my friends who live in Japan + speak/read the language all find it annoying. It's like, Japan glazers will blow a load over pocari sweat, or egg sandos at the conbini, while you have japan doomers going "did you know japan has the highest suicide rate". And it's like both make me roll my eyes. I'm somewhere in the middle. There are things that make me love living here, and there are things that piss me the fuck off. Overall I prefer here over the US. I have health care, walkable city, good public transit, job, and yeah ofc, I'm a weeb. I like my anime and manga. Living here is dope for that.
ParticularWeb9328@reddit
this
texan_robot@reddit
Disproportionate perhaps, but still not noticeable. Say its 0.001% of the American population, and 0.01% of Reddit. Its superfluous to a general discussion regardless.
MarkNutt25@reddit
They make up a tiny part of the general population here in the US, but I bet they make up a pretty large percentage (I would guess 20+%) of the American civilians currently living in or visiting Japan!
texan_robot@reddit
There are that many crazies who actually make the move?
MarkNutt25@reddit
No, that's why I specifically said, "living in or visiting."
mfigroid@reddit
I know two non-weebs who have both travelled extensively and they both would consider retiring in Japan. One lived there for a year on sabbatical and one was there for a month.
GoldenMonkeyRedux@reddit
That's basically impossible unless they married a Japanese person or continue working via visa. You can only stay 3 months at a time.
I live in Japan for years, but I had a visa. My wife didn't (we got married about 6 months into my job), so she had to visit another country every couple months until her visa was approved.
I enjoyed Japan and I've traveled around the globe, but it's not an easy country to be a foreigner in. The shine wears off pretty quickly depending on where you are and your language skills.
But my experience was back in the mid-90's.
mfigroid@reddit
He is married to a Japanese woman and live here in the states.
GoldenMonkeyRedux@reddit
Oh! Then he’ll have to jump through hoops but can do it. Cool.
texan_robot@reddit
One of my cousins teaches English in Tokyo and doesn't plan on coming back, but these stories are typically American expat rationales. There's no reason to specifically set aside Japan if OP is thinking of these situations.
Eihe3939@reddit
Americans have a very Rose Tinted view on Japan for some reason. At least displayed on Reddit. I can’t help to think it has to do with the Japanese pop culture. It’s annoying
beastwood6@reddit
Japan is so weird as a target. It's like running toward the band music after the iceberg
texan_robot@reddit
I have no idea what that analogy means... perhaps a reference I'm too young for?
beastwood6@reddit
Are you too young to have watched the Titanic or heard the story of it?
Old-Ad-5573@reddit
I still don't get it even after you explained it. What does band music have to do with the titanic?
beastwood6@reddit
If the Titanic/iceberg/band reference is lost on you then I'm sure an expansion of the demographic death spiral and geopolitical barnacled hopelessness of Japan will be as well.
texan_robot@reddit
Ive never seen the movie, nor do I know its plot. I know the history of the ship itself, but "the band" means nothing to me in this context.
beastwood6@reddit
No worries. Others might get meaning from it
PlatinumElement@reddit
I can’t wait to tell my sister-in-law (a teacher in Nagoya) and my good friend (a housewife in Saitama) that they’re neckbeards because they immigrated to Japan.
texan_robot@reddit
I didnt say that everyone who moves there is a neck beard, one of my cousins is teaching English there right now. I said that that was the only thing I could think of to set Japan apart from other common American expat locations. Panama, Costa Rica, Ireland, Vietnam... why did OP make Japan separate?
PlatinumElement@reddit
It wasn’t directed at you, but at OP.
texan_robot@reddit
Ah. Carry on then.
I have thought of another reason that I hope is why OP singled out Japan. Perhaps OP is Japanese and already informed on the phenomena there.
unbalancedcheckbook@reddit
Japan is not very inviting to people who are not Japanese (to live there, its fine to visit).
EtceteraKeen@reddit
Have you experienced that personally? I’ve lived here 20 years. Just curious.
GoldenMonkeyRedux@reddit
I lived there for years and I did experience that on multiple occasions.
Easy to avoid if you live in one of the major cities, but hard to avoid if you live in the deep country.
EtceteraKeen@reddit
I’ve lived in Tochigi, Ibaraki, Chiba, Osaka and Saitama. I’ve had people come up to me and make conversation out of nowhere. I’ve made friends on buses and at concerts.
Japan has been extremely inviting to me, personally, and from my personal experience I’d say “Japan is uninviting to foreigners is an internet myth that people like to perpetuate for no apparent reason.
avelineaurora@reddit
Yeah that's why thousands of people expat there with a minimum of issues.
PacSan300@reddit
Yeah, Japan is probably my favorite country to visit, but for a lot of reasons I would not want to live there, while I wouldn’t mind living in several other countries.
kreativegaming@reddit
Weebs are not american in his mind I guess
TehTJ13@reddit
A lot of weeaboos (westerners who like Japanese things) will default to saying they want to visit Japan.
jigokubi@reddit
As a Westerner who likes many Japanese things, I request you revise your description of weebs to something more like, "Westerners who are obsessed with Japan, particularly anime."
DestinyForNone@reddit
As opposed to... People who do the same for France or Italy?
Or any other country?
Eihe3939@reddit
It’s not the same. Weebs have this obsession that just isn’t found with other countries. Japan needs to be excluded on Reddit
DestinyForNone@reddit
Brother it's literally the same...
The cringe shit you see from weebs about Japan? Happens in France... Happens in Italy... Happens in Mexico... Happens in China...
Literally anywhere that has a healthy tourist economy is like this...
"Exclude Japan because they have anime, and some people are fucking creeps about it."
Okay, and you don't think people are weird about France? About Italy? Ireland? Korea?
Eihe3939@reddit
Absolutely not, come on. Have you even spent time online? This obsession especially past few years is weird. I guess somtiems for example Italian Americans can glorify Italy, but that’s due to their ancestry. Why is there a word for it just with Japan for instance?
TehTJ13@reddit
Japanese people are rude fucking assholes, I'll never visit that Satan-fellating shithole.
RightYouAreKen1@reddit
Which they should, because everyone I know who has visited Japan loved it
Ok-Tradition1729@reddit
It's pretty amazing.
GimmeShockTreatment@reddit
You know why
DOMSdeluise@reddit
I don't. that is why I asked. but know now.
FondleGanoosh438@reddit
I think it’s funny to exclude it. Japan is probably the only other country I’d want to live in. Mainly because it’s full of historical landmarks and the culture is very foreign to me.
BurritoDespot@reddit
Because OP spends too much time online. The median American couldn’t even point out Japan on a map.
reddot_comic@reddit
lol right? I didn’t really have the desire before but now, I’m just going to visit and live in Japan just to spite OP
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
Sorry if I sounded a bit racist but I've mentioned the reason in the edit
reddot_comic@reddit
No worries, OP. Tbh- that’s what I figured, I was just being cheeky. Thank you for clarifying though :)
benkatejackwin@reddit
My guess is they are Japanese?
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
No I'm not japanese and I've mentioned the reason in the edit
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
I have mentioned the reason in the edit
1Negative_Person@reddit
Weebs throw off the curve.
TriforceShiekah16@reddit
Because Reddit is full of weebs.
-signed a week who's on Reddit.
Codykville@reddit
If OP means U.S. citizens when they say “Americans,” then Japan isn’t even close to top 10. Mexico and Canada alone are ahead of pretty much everyone else combined.
If you expand it to all countries in the Americas, then you’re still looking at Spain, the UK, and Germany by a wide margin.
Maronita2025@reddit
I’d imagine because they require you to speak Japanese and forego citizenship in any other country!
elbosston@reddit
They wouldn’t give you a Japanese citizenship. It’s extremely hard to get one and Japan is pretty anti immigrant and nationalist.
Unless you have Japanese blood your chances of getting a citizenship are super low.
Available_Reveal8068@reddit
I didn't think you had to give up citizenship, but they do require proficiency in the Japanese language.
Fullskee707@reddit
You can have long term residency and remain a citizen of your country, but if you want to become a Japanese citizen you have to renounce citizenship to your home country. They don't allow dual citizenship as i understand it.
hiddentalent@reddit
They can't enforce that. It's just words. The US is the same. The oath of allegiance says you'll give up foreign citizenship. But if you're ethically content with saying those words under oath and then not following up on them, there's nothing they can legally do about it.
I've lived in the US long enough to naturalize but never done so because I'm personally not ethically content with that. But if someone else has a family situation or something that puts them in that spot, I'm not one to judge. Neither Japan nor the US can take away your citizenship in another country. However, you do have to be careful which passport you use in a given situation so as not to prompt any awkward questions.
Fullskee707@reddit
i don't know whether what you say is accurate or not, but it seems that they ask for proof of renouncing your previous citizenship when applying. You may be right though, maybe the process of them verifying it is ridiculously slow. Either way, *technically* you can't be a dual citizen
imuniqueaf@reddit
Because Japan doesn't want you. They don't really want anyone.
myrainydayss@reddit
I thought it was funny because it’s somewhat accurate. A lot of Americans my age (im Gen Z) are going to Japan right now. Japanese culture is super popular in America, plus the yen is very weak.
paula924@reddit
I’m curious too. One of my favorite time wasters is watching YouTube videos of non Japanese people moving there, especially the people who move into abandoned homes. Then I start daydreaming about living there myself.
choglin@reddit
Abandoned homes? I guess that’s really common in there?
paula924@reddit
They are called akiya and there are lots of videos about them on YouTube.
tapedeckgh0st@reddit
Yeah actually Im an American that ended up in Japan lol
Probably OP is implying all of us are weebs
Guess I’m proving him right 😭
ratchetcoutoure@reddit
Probably because Japan is already known popular destination for Westerners to relocate
Unfair_Respond_175@reddit
The most not thing I wanted to know too lol
choglin@reddit
Agreed. Yes, why?
Schwinslow@reddit
Current state of the country? I dream about leaving NOW for almost anywhere
nunyabizthewiz@reddit
I romanticize Scotland…if I were to move abroad- that’s where I’m headed
trey74@reddit
I dream of traveling to other countries for a long amount of time. Like 2-3 months here, 2-3 months there, but home will always be here in the US.
Automatic_Syrup_2935@reddit
A lot of Americans (particularly in creative industries) are also starting to live bicoastal between like NY and LA.
Green-Mix8478@reddit
That or the Snow bird traveling North for the summer and South for the winter.
Travelsat150@reddit
Starting? I’m almost 70 and have been doing this since the early seventies.
Automatic_Syrup_2935@reddit
Jealous!
avalonfaith@reddit
That's always been a thing. Since air travel and even before.
zero_and_dug@reddit
Yeah, basically the extremely wealthy 0.1% will jump between both coasts but that doesn’t represent the majority of Americans whatsoever.
avalonfaith@reddit
Honestly, not even that high up the wealth ladder. I'm not saying middle class (as small as it in not 😭) or anything, these people have dollars, just that it's not as rare as one would thing.
Green-Mix8478@reddit
Join the army.
Entire_Toe2640@reddit
Same. I can see myself living in Ireland or Italy or both for several months a year, but if you ask me where home is it will always be the US.
cornlip@reddit
I just started a job where this is possible and I’m excited. Only problem is idk what to do with my dog… or my house.
Travelsat150@reddit
Rent your house. Take your dog.
avalonfaith@reddit
I'll sit! lol! I'm in SoCal.
cornlip@reddit
Yeah that’s the other side of the country lol
avalonfaith@reddit
Well dang. It was a 50/50 shot which coast you were on. Lol.
cornlip@reddit
You can set user flair so people know where about you are if you want. That’s what I did.
avalonfaith@reddit
Omg, how did I miss the flair!!! lol. I don't frequent here. The almighty algorithm just started putting it in my feed.
Entire_Toe2640@reddit
Sounds exciting! Have fun.
ITrCool@reddit
Same. If I could get the time off work or the perfect work situation where I could spend months traveling, I'd be on that in a heartbeat. Would love to tour Europe for 3 months, taking my time, defeating jet lag and enjoying everything I can.
Responsible_Ask3976@reddit
This! I normally love the space I have in the US ❤️
LongOrganization7838@reddit
I literally got back from a 4 and a half month trip to the UK and western Europe and it was literally the best thing I've ever done
PastBuy8484@reddit
Did 10 months in SE Asia then 6 months in Europe then 3 months in Australia.
Wouldn’t change it for a thing
BALLSonBACKWARDS@reddit
Like the “grand tours” European wealthy elite used to do.
TomSki2@reddit
Grand Tours, however, were more like 2-3 years. These were the times, except for the fact that getting from Paris to Rome was like 15 days on awful roads.
trey74@reddit
Yes, my SO and I will be doing this year round. We've actually decided to build a smaller house because of how much we love to travel and LIVE in other places. It's going to be awesome!
ladybugseattle@reddit
Did this as a student one semester in Italy and another in France. Immersive language and art history classes
skyHawk3613@reddit
Me too
OverlordRogue@reddit
yeah exactly, traveling hits different when you know you’ve got a home base to come back to.
pmorter3@reddit
yep this.
Klutzy-Comment6897@reddit
Not really. When you are from the alpha country what more could you ask for. 🤷🏾♂️
No_Satisfaction_7431@reddit
Normal gun laws, places being walkable outside of the major cities, universal healthcare and other social safety nets.
Klutzy-Comment6897@reddit
Nothing wrong with the gun laws and some places not being walkable. I will give you better healthcare and safety nets would be good.
bananapanqueques@reddit
Somewhere with socialized medicine. The bar is low.
No_Satisfaction_7431@reddit
Yep and somewhere where school shooting aren't normal.
IthurielSpear@reddit
We really need to do something about our healthcare system, it is out of control.
No_Satisfaction_7431@reddit
As a chronically ill person I dream of moving to any country with universal healthcare. Thankfully I have dual UK/US citizenship. Just got to get healthy enough to be able to move. I love my country but we suck. I'm a queer, disabled, chronically ill woman in stem. Theres no future for me in the states.
Appropriate_Shoe_894@reddit
I'm from the USA and have lived in 3 other countries, all in Latin America for about 10 years.
Lived it and have been planning to do it again in the future.
LangokiAgain@reddit
Yes, especially lately. There are more than a few folks who retire to Central America, for example. I've personally been to a few places in Western Europe, but I have many more potential destinations in mind there. My dream trip is to Greece. I also really really want to go to Senegal, visit my old friend who lives in Australia, and if I ever wake up rich? Easter Island. I'm more hesitant about Asia, but I’d consider Thailand.
attractivekid@reddit
I loved Senegal, I'd go back anytime. Def wouldn't live there though.
attractivekid@reddit
I've traveled a ton, the more I travel the more I appreciate living in the U.S. - I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion
Y_Y_99@reddit
TOP 4 foreign countries where US citizens are actually living.
Mexico
823,502
Canada
256,571
United Kingdom
243,570
Germany
152,501
Yet nobody seems to mention that they WANT to live in these places. Japan is mentioned a lot, yet makes it only to rank #9 with 62,509. Specifically nobody mentions Germany. So how come so many end up in Germany?
Thin-Quiet-2283@reddit
Germany could be job related? I would move back in a heartbeat! Love it there - clean, everything runs like clockwork, great food and beer.
Thin-Quiet-2283@reddit
For myself- I love to travel and would migrate to Europe . I lived in Germany and Spain growing up (military family), we lived in town so I could integrate successfully. I speak basic German and high level Spanish. I understand Italian very well and can even understand a bit of French, Portuguese and Romanian. I’ve traveled to Asia a bit but couldn’t see myself there full time - too hot. And I’m not too crazy about some of the places my friends want to retire for cost savings but learning about some cooler higher elevation towns in Panama. My dream would be a winter home in the Iberian peninsula with summers in Baltics or Finland…
mstatealliance@reddit
Yes, Portugal or Italy, or if I become wealthy, Switzerland.
Constellation-88@reddit
Japan is not on the list of countries I dream of travel traveling to. I would love to see most of Europe though. Just gotta win that lottery. Lol
Bumpercar77@reddit
I jist want to live somewhere stable
somecow@reddit
Kinda. But naah, my family is here.
kiwipixi42@reddit
I would love to move abroad
Fluffy-Mine-6659@reddit
Yes. And more than ever now. Americans are especially interested in Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, and Thailand. Japan is lower on the list.
I spent a month in Japan years ago. It was nice but other than Kyoto not really my vibe for long term
Background-Passion50@reddit
None. Been to 33 countries, lived in 7, fought a war in 2. Didn’t see any that could match America. But, Japan was a close second and I got along well with their work culture since I myself am a workaholic.
eric39es@reddit
What has America that is so great tho? Other than salaries.
ShreveportJambroni54@reddit
Our parks systems are world class, and the natural beauty that is a quick access from any city in the US
CuriousNetWanderer@reddit
The expanse of humanity and various biomes, both natural and cultural are truly impressive.
ohfuckthebeesescaped@reddit
Americans have a pretty idealized view of western Europe and Canada, so a lot of people would rather be there than here, especially now. Alternatively, it's not uncommon for people to dream of retiring to some cheaper tropical location, but that's quite different from the ways other people are dreaming of the US.
MyNameIsNot_Molly@reddit
I started looking into immigrating to Europe a few years ago and was quickly humbled.
American Exceptionalism doesn't mean shit to other countries who are also dealing with their own cost of living crisis and right-wing shift. Although I would still love to relocate, most of us would not qualify for residency anywhere else.
ohfuckthebeesescaped@reddit
In our defense, Europe + CAN + AUS have a crazy addiction to making us their cute lil scapegoat online. It's actually baffling how un self aware they are. Racism in Spain? Of course not, you're thinking of the US. Ableism in the Netherlands? No no, we don't do that here, you're just thinking about the US. MMIW could never have started in Canada, because that stuff only happens in the US. You know who doesn't constantly ridicule and shame American people for our problems, despite having incredibly valid reasons to have beef with our country? Everyone. Else. No one in any other continent has this problem. Which makes it SO telling that the rest of the political west have made it their life mission to harass us about our own problems (as if Americans aren't the ones suffering from those issues too??).
Several-Buy-3017@reddit
This is so incredibly true. Like if you bring up some of the hardships of living in Europe, like low wages or high taxes, they will say, “…durrrr we don’t have school shootings.” They also don’t have fire arms, so when the government wants to lock them up for their Facebook posts they are quick to comply. It’s like these western countries have a severe jealously America.
CuriousNetWanderer@reddit
I always just joke that they're bitter their empires fell apart and ours didn't. They're also delusional about how much political control or influence they have over commonwealth entities abroad.
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
Switzerland are armed to the teeth so not true
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
Sounds like they hit a nerve
ohfuckthebeesescaped@reddit
An American tired of hearing constant shit from Europeans about how much better they are despite our problems being actually quite similar? How sensitive, how emotional. Come on dude.
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
Europe is a bunch of different countries all with different democracies, so you might find some American like problems in individual countries but not the whole lot in one or all countries
ohfuckthebeesescaped@reddit
Admittedly it does seem more of a western European problem specifically, not necessarily east/central/balkan. I'll edit it then.
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
I think Americans are just super sensitive. I’ve often said that America is very similar to India (I love India for the record) and it’s always responded to with denial and downvotes. You can see the same behaviour here, people are over sensitive if anyone says anything that could be interpreted in any way as criticising the motherland, they just shut down the conversation because they can’t handle it.
ohfuckthebeesescaped@reddit
What? I never said the US couldn't be criticized. It very much can be, in fact no one loves to criticize the US more than Americans. But there's a difference between criticizing a country and constantly ridiculing the people that live there for being stupid and getting shot and having shitty policies. And they always say we can't even see our own problems and we're too stupid to see that the US is so full of racism and the US is so full of alt right and the US is so US-centric, meanwhile they think their maps center Europe because Europe is actually the center of the world, they think Americans are bad at geography because the only geography they know is Europe's, they have racism just as bad, they have similar problems with alt right, but they absolutely refuse to acknowledge theirs because they're too busy trying to "let us know" about our problems.
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
America is a democracy so if you believe in democracy (I do) everything you have listed is a choice to live in this way.
America isn’t the worst place to live by a long shot but I can totally see why it’s unattractive to most Europeans, although a lot of that is through just interpreting the headline issues without understanding any of the detail behind them. Healthcare is an example, yes the US system is fucked up but then the UK is equally fucked up, most British don’t understand that.
ohfuckthebeesescaped@reddit
You seem to be under the impression that propaganda doesn't exist in America, and people vote against their own interests here because they really do want their schools to be shot up, and healthcare to be prohibitively expensive, and systemic racism to keep its chokehold on society, and missing person's cases of native women to continue to be ignored, and children to be under-educated, and rent and groceries to be through the roof, and to be enslaving DRC, and whatever else. This is not the case. And I don't think other westerners ridiculing and condescending to every individual from here and talking about how great euro/CAN/AUS is in comparison (while as you said, only having headlines as reference) is a remotely productive way to address anything.
BTW this is totally my bad but I neglected to mention that euro/CAN/AUS harassment was a huge thing way before 2024 so when I'm saying our issues are similar I was NOT talking about the very recent developments since the 2024 elections, I meant before then. I just forgot to actually say it.
Also yeah it's probably preferable to live in Europe if you're already European. Americans who move to Europe are not happier though. The big picture is, the constant bashing from the rest of the west plus the grim shit we hafta deal with here has made Americans very self-hating, and then they try to run off to the utopia that euro/CAN claim themselves to be, only to find that it's the same shit there too! Just with affordable ambulances and better gun restrictions. Meanwhile back home people are already giving up and thinking "man I should just leave to somewhere better, like Canada". And obviously you can't actually blame euroCAN for all that, but if they really care about these issues like they insist they do then they could maybe stand to criticize the US in a normal way instead of just gloating about how safe their schools are and how backwards the US is despite all its wealth.
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
Propaganda exists everywhere, it's just the American democracy is less robust than others in this regard, it IS a democracy though so people do literally choose everything.
What about you basing your statement that Americans that move to Europe aren't happier? I haven't personally seen any studies on this.
The way you discuss this does make you come across as extremely sensitive on this subject as I said before, it only serves to verify what your "aggressors" are saying (from their perspective)
Several-Buy-3017@reddit
For my experience it comes from: UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Holland. And of course Russian bots.
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
Ireland, Spain, Germany, France really don’t have the same issues as the USA does. The UK is quite similar
Rainlex_Official@reddit
yeah and they do all this despite them also having a lot of growing issues similar to the US. but in all fairness we also do the same to them. it’s kinda mutual and it’s very odd because in my opinion europe and america should be friendly to eachother
plshelpcomputerissad@reddit
I called one of them out on this shit once and they described it as “punching up”, which is pretty funny. Apparently we’re some “third world shithole” country but somehow also “above” them to “punch up” to?
I really don’t hear that nonsense from Australia much though, and Canada I didn’t until the past year or so (gee I wonder why lol). Mostly just euros.
Then nowadays online there’s also a very vocal, persistent element of bots/shills/etc who flood into comment sections to basically say “America bad, (and optionally) [adversary country] is actually just a victim”. So there’s a very large subset of those commenters that just aren’t real/genuine.
Playful_Question538@reddit
It takes $250,000 to be deposited into one of their banks I think. I had a customer move to London recently. It just takes money or a job from what I remember. Things may be different now.
Important_Wear50@reddit
My gf wants to live in canada because of her parents but my family just bought a ton of land (300 acres) and we're all building a family compound. Goodbye to my cows and hello to the city I guess
No_Physics_228@reddit
I’ve dreamt of moving to New Zealand for a while now.
Bulky-Translator8462@reddit
Absolutely not. I know America is not perfect but the level of freedom compared to Europe. I have a friend in England and he told me they can get in trouble if they don’t have their cars go through a mandated inspection every year and that includes even if the wiper blades are old. That alone is enough for me to say ok thanks. I hate my government or any governing body telling me what I have to do and how to do it. Quite frankly, fuck that.
Altaira99@reddit
England. I've always wanted to visit/live there, but recently I think they're just as screwed up as the US.
tktk77@reddit
Yes! I know so many Americans, including myself, who wish they could travel more. I know many who wish they could move abroad to Europe.
I travel 1-2 times ayear and am a dual citizen of an EU country. I dream about dropping everything and leaving everyday 😭
Funnily enough, I'd rather try my luck on Asia than Europe haha
cerulean_sage@reddit
I used to dream of living in France until I actually went there 😂
Ok_Tourist_6016@reddit
I so badly wish I lived in Europe: Ireland, the Netherlands, France, or Norway.
I've done my research, but I don't think moving abroad will ever be realistic for me. Even though I want it more than anything, except to marry my wonderful boyfriend.
deebville00@reddit
Yes I believe a lot of us dream of living abroad for an extended period of time or even forever.
Travelsat150@reddit
If I had the money I would move to Switzerland but that’s just a fantasy. I worked there and turned 18 there, so I have find memories. As an adult female I’m not sure what it would be like but my work ethic is very much in sync with the Swiss German so it felt like home to me.
resiyun@reddit
I don’t dream of this but some Americans retire in Mexico or other poorer countries that still have high tourism like Thailand, Bali, Costa Rica… etc
The_Quibbler@reddit
Yank here on the eve of retirement. The US is not even on the list for me. In fact, once I finish my business there early summer, I may never return.
I lived in Thailand before and thus always the default idea. But I may travel a bit to check other places out. I always heard Portugal was good, but less so now...
Travelsat150@reddit
Our friends moved to Portugal a few years ago. They will never move back.
Rainlex_Official@reddit
i don’t blame ya, as a person turning 18 next year personally i’m probably gonna go that route too. moving out to somewhere like canada where it’s easier.
NoShameMallPretzels@reddit
This is me. Love traveling, have been to 29 countries so far and have dozens more I want to visit.
Hoping to retire in 20 years or so to another country. Not sure which one yet, but we’ve loved Thailand, Costa Rica, Denmark, Ireland, Guatemala, Mexico … so many awesome places!
We previously lived in Canada and loved it. I’d consider going back there as well, though I’d rather be somewhere that has easier travel to other countries I’m still interested in seeing!
Travelsat150@reddit
I think now more people do. Because we have a crazy person in the Whitehouse. Retiring also is cheaper when you emigrate to some countries.
leannmanderson@reddit
There are American ex-pats in many countries. Latin American nations are pretty common. So is Dubai, for some reason. So, yes, I would definitely say some Americans dream of living abroad.
And many of us have travel dreams of going to other countries. I lived in Radlett, UK for about a year after highschool. I rather enjoyed it.
Realistic-Custard303@reddit
I like traveling,mI loved Germany and Ireland and New Zealand but no matter how crazy this country is, no matter how badly people talk about the US I don't think I could ever see myself living in another country.
brUn3tt3grl@reddit
I often dream of settling abroad to certain countries but I’d want to bring my family and friends along if I could
princeoffalls26@reddit
It's hard for me to imagine a foreigner dreaming of the US. While I'm sure there is much we take for granted here, it's also not this grand place.. This country is overcome by greed. A shame, it really could have been great. A cultural pot, accepting for all. As someone born and raised in Montana USA, I dream of living in a country that prioritizes people over profit. I dream of traveling the world, meeting people from all walks of life. Lately I've been looking into traveling South Asia. Id also love to visit Mexico, when cheeto hitler leaves office.
Puzzleheaded_Law_773@reddit
Idk, Ireland seems pretty neat. I think they’d vibe with my midwestern hood ways. Listened to an audiobook by an Irish author being read by him and I’ve been loaded up on some Irish slang to throw at people lol.
Designer-Travel4785@reddit
Some do, most probably don't. I have no interest in traveling, especially out of country.
bananakegs@reddit
Yes but only because I don’t get enough PTO
Such-Opinion3683@reddit
The United States is so large that you can often find better opportunities/environment/culture without leaving the country. For example, I grew up in Colorado, on the front range. People are very fit, very sporty, and where I lived, very conservative. I ended up two states away for college in the midwest, and I LOVED IT. I always say no one has ever asked me to go hiking in Iowa. I ended up outside of Chicago for work, and honestly, other than it being humid (ugh) and property taxes, I have no complaints.
BeneficialGift5541@reddit
Id love to travel to places like Scotland and even China. Any Scandinavian country would be nice to settle in if I left the states
Adrianilom@reddit
I grew up as a military brat. I would love to travel and settle somewhere other than the US just so I can have a home base to go do more sight seeing.
AnnoyingPrincessNico@reddit
I dont.
bangbangracer@reddit
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
A lot of us have dreams of moving to Paris and drinking a cappuccino at a cafe, but also it's romance novel Paris, not real Paris. Maybe not Paris specifically, but there's always that one place that is the dream location.
Jolly-Bowler-811@reddit
Before 2016? Not really.
Now? Yes.
penguinwasteland1414@reddit
I certainly do. I would love to visit England 🇬🇧 and Norway 🇳🇴
The-Bear-and-Rose@reddit
Depends on income level, education, and career. Personally I would love to be able to move to Europe.
Dr_Bendova420@reddit
I’d like to travel to China, Eastern Europe, and south of France.
bizoticallyyours83@reddit
Sometimes I'd like to.
ZombeeSwarm@reddit
A part of me dreams to move to Scotland or New Zealand and to buy a castle and a bunch of sheep and just have a cool little hotel bed and breakfast or something. But I don't have that kind of money plus I would get bored and miss my friends so much and the pizza and food are really good here.
crasho7@reddit
I do. But I know people who would never.
Automatic_Syrup_2935@reddit
I do not think most Americans dream of emigrating out of the United States. A lot of Americans dream of travel - but for the average citizen it's usually something smaller and often based in the US. The USA is huge and most citizens will never visit its entirety in their lifetime.
There are some Americans who move out of the country, a lot of young Americans are drawn to Europe and will get jobs in either teaching English or au pair. For me, I do dream of settling in Mexico City someday soon.
According_Drawing_59@reddit
Middle-aged Texan here. I would have no problem giving up my U.S. citizenship to live in a country with more progressive policy.
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
I'm south asian and imo US has more progressive policy than most countries (I'm not saying everything in the US is progressive) Also i want to ask what countries do you think has better progressive policies than the US
According_Drawing_59@reddit
Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, Australia, Germany, Scandinavia
ShreveportJambroni54@reddit
Lmao, Japan being more progressive than the USA? You are not a serious person. Their work culture is regressive for one. They had to create women only trains because their women were getting sexually harassed. They are the country known for requiring a shutter sound for front-facing cameras because of the sexual harassment thing.
They elected a female prime minister, in a landslide, who is similar to Trump in regards to immigration and foreign policy. She is an ultra nationalist, voices unsubstantiated claims about foreigners, opposes gay marriage, supports patriarchal hierarchy, and still maintains a higher approval rating than previous PMs.
As for the UK and Netherlands, the only thing I dont like is their income tax rates.
JustAnotherUser8432@reddit
I think it depends on your definition of “progressive”. If you mean socialized healthcare - lots. If you mean less racism - not many, if any.
pit_of_despair666@reddit
I am currently stuck in Florida which is almost as bad as Texas. If I could afford to move to a progressive country I would do it in a heartbeat.
PastBuy8484@reddit
I’ve lived in 3 EU countries. Eventually returned to the US. It’s not all rainbows and butterflies
pit_of_despair666@reddit
There are plenty of people who moved there and had a different experience than you.
DogOk984@reddit
More and more countries allow you to gain their nationality without surrendering your own. Germany just changed their laws on this recently for example. If you are really set on immigrating look up the DAFT treaty for The Netherlands, but the housing situation there is really really really dire.
Fantastic-Pop-9122@reddit
And a lot of us born in one state who rarely leave that state.
plshelpcomputerissad@reddit
I wonder how that’d vary state to state, obv in New England where you can be in another state in an hours drive, I’d be impressed if they managed to never leave. But then beyond that I imagine wealthier states (let’s say California idk) it’s probably a lot more common to travel than say Mississippi or West Virginia.
Fun_Machine7346@reddit
Answer = Yes
Regular_Pack571@reddit
I always dreamed of moving to the US to safe just enough money to start business back in my home country. I even stopped plans to have children or establish permanent life here so that they don’t suck the resource from the system which seams to be under huge strain.
KulshanStudios@reddit
Increasingly, yes
I left home last year
Not going back
boop-boop_boop@reddit
i do
even exlcuding the current events i've always kinda wanted to live somewhere else and thats 100% my plan when i am secure enough to do so
Senpai2Savage@reddit
I mean id visit but for sure im coming back to the states I like it here .
PoopsieDoodler@reddit
Most middle class Americans like living in our country. Many of us are exhausted by the nutball in the White House and might threaten to leave. But for the most part we’d be happy vacationing and touring other countries.
Silocin20@reddit
Traveling is one of my dreams. If I had the money I'd travel the world.
doubly_negative@reddit
I would love to leave. I have some other friends who feel the same as me and have lived abroad or would go if offered the chance. I don't really understand why most Americans don't want to leave. It's awful here.
curiouswizard@reddit
yes, I've dreamed of living in Europe my whole life
Midwest_Plant_Guy@reddit
My wife and I have been to Ireland a handful of times and would love to settle down in the Irish countryside someday!
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Same. Western Ireland calls to me like few other places I've been.
Midwest_Plant_Guy@reddit
On our last trip we visited Dingle and fell in love with that area! If we ever made it over there permanently it would probably be in that area!
NoShameMallPretzels@reddit
Just got back and would love to live anywhere in the West! It was all gorgeous!!!
ghost_suburbia@reddit
Us, too! Dingle was the best!
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Kerry, Clare, and Cork are definitely on the short list.
Midwest_Plant_Guy@reddit
Absolutely! All great places, we spent some time in Cork on our first trip and really loved it too, Blarney Castle is really awesome, as are the gardens around the castle!
bearamongus19@reddit
Where did yall go in Ireland? Its on me and my wifes checklist of places to visit
pit_of_despair666@reddit
I stayed at a B&B in Enniskerry. I visited the Wicklow Mountains, Glendalough, the Powerscourt Estate and waterfall, did a cliffside hike next to the sea in Bray, visited a couple of castles (I recall one was called Malahide castle), and then stayed in Dublin. We visited a bunch of places in Dublin like the Dublin Castle, Christ Church Cathedral and the catacombs, the Guiness Factory, and went to an amazing metal bar (I think the name of it was Fibbers Magees). After I traveled there they filmed the movie Leap Year in some of the same locations I went to. Game Of Thrones also filmed there around the same time as Leap Year. I planned the whole trip myself after I did a lot of research. I ended up doing a pretty good job for my first vacation outside of the US.
bearamongus19@reddit
I appreciate the response. Gives us plenty of ideas.
Midwest_Plant_Guy@reddit
We've been a few different places! Dublin is fun if you want to get sloshed in pubs😂 but if you really want to experience Ireland I would recommend renting a car and driving! You see so much more and on your own schedule!
We really enjoyed that whole County Kerry area! We stayed in Ballyferriter village and just drove around to Dingle and all over the countryside exploring all the sites, small villages and old castles!
We also spent some time in Adare, that's also a really great area!
I'd say Dublin would be good for a first trip, and then book a ton of all day excursions! That's what we did on our first trip and really enjoyed it, then for our next few trips we decided to explore areas that we didn't get enough time on on the excursions!
We also spent some time in Cork and Gallway, both great spots as well!
pit_of_despair666@reddit
I agree! We rented a car and drove through the Wicklow Mountains. It was beyond beautiful there.
TheyTookByoomba@reddit
When my wife and I went we rented a car in Galway and drove most of the Wild Atlantic Way over about a week and a half. Went north a bit to Louisburgh (the drive from Leenaun to Louisburgh is about an hour but worth the trip by itself), cut east to Dublin, then went along the coast south all the way back to Limerick. Spent about a day each in Galway and Dublin, then otherwise were in small villages the whole time (we don't enjoy cities much). Absolutely recommend doing it that way, especially in the shoulder seasons when it's not busy with tourists.
pit_of_despair666@reddit
Me too. It reminded me of the outer suburbs and rural Western NY a bit where I grew up, but more beautiful and ancient.
Midwest_Plant_Guy@reddit
That describes it so well! I'm from small-town Midwest, so it reminded me a lot of the open countryside here, but by the ocean and more ancient! Haha
Wen60s@reddit
Yes, especially in the current environment. A friend moved to Spain a couple of years ago and is so happy!
QueenMackeral@reddit
Yes a lot, but in a "it would be so nice to..." kind of way. America is just easier to live in and I think I would struggle for no reason living in another country. I dream of living in a historical european city, or in a rural countryside in France or Switzerland. But then I realize all the hardships I would face like affordability, not fitting in, learning a new language, etc.
springhilleyeball@reddit
i want to settle elsewhere AND travel. i've lived in a few other countries for super short periods of time and i was only on a tourist visa so i know it's not ACTUALLY living there. i guess my dream is more about having freedom/money than actually leaving the states but i feel like it would be easier to achieve somewhere else.
i'm about to do my longest stint in a few months where i'll be doing things as i do here at home—working out, finding a community to do my hobbies with, working, etc. so it'll be interesting.
i want to travel almost everywhere EXCLUDING europe and i've thought of settling in japan, mexico, brazil, china. i haven't traveled very much but i am using my experience traveling to decide where i'll like to try and settle.
OkTechnologyb@reddit
I think most people worldwide dream of traveling abroad — it's a common human desire — and Americans are no different. It could be something basic like someone who's never left the US vaguely dreaming of seeing Ireland one day (the land of her great-great grandparents), or something more complex and well researched.
And lots and lots (millions upon millions) of Americans do travel abroad, so this isn't like a hypothetical thing.
Settling abroad? That would be more niche but not uncommon. Remember that a massive percentage of Americans are immigrants or the first generation to be born here, so "moving abroad" isn't quite as simple as it may sound, or again as hypothetical. Millions of Americans do live abroad.
LHCThor@reddit
Most Americans don’t travel abroad. The last number I saw was that less than 40% of Americans have a passport.
probablynotaround@reddit
I may fantasize about it but I don’t have a desire to leave the us permanently
Bjorn_Blackmane@reddit
Not settling but visiting. I've always wanted to go to england
GuitaristExplorer@reddit
Some do, some don’t. I think in general most Americans probably don’t dream of settling abroad permanently, but traveling absolutely. It would be difficult for me to imagine making a long term move to another country, let alone retiring somewhere else. I’m an American, and the United States is home. I moved to another US state for graduate school and even that was hard. I ended up moving back! But, I’ve travelled to Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean, UK, and Europe (France, Italy and Vatican City, and Spain). In addition to revisiting those places I’d also love to travel to Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Kenya, Egypt, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, etc. and other US states!
PuzzleheadedOwl1191@reddit
I love traveling and, yes, my wife and I would settle somewhere else (in the EU, specifically) tomorrow if we could but we just can’t. It’s not possible unless we can get citizenship there and we don’t qualify. So it seems it shall remain a dream.
kade_v01d@reddit
i used to think about moving to greece a lot
a_bounced_czech@reddit
I’d love to retire in the English countryside, or Scotland. I don’t think I will because I probably couldn’t afford it, but living in a little English village is kinda my dream
Miserable_Ask3975@reddit
I’ve discussed moving to Sicily with my fiance after she has her PhD.
But I’m not sure what I’d do with my small armory if we did that. TBH probably put them on the yacht and just smuggle them in.
Spare_Flamingo8605@reddit
I have wanderlust that's never been quenched.
juniperwool@reddit
Scotland or Iceland for me
tonsofun08@reddit
Yes, I've wanted to live in the UK since I was in high-school.
Automatic_Will4203@reddit
YES. I wish I had been born elsewhere. I have been to various other countries and studied abroad and I loved it. If it weren't for family and shared custody holding me to a location I'd want to be overseas already. I'm hoping maybe when I get older/retire of something.
Revolutionary_Pen906@reddit
I would be perfectly happy to never leave the United States. There is so much to do and see here.
Fireflykoala@reddit
Yes.
DuelJ@reddit
France and Australia seem cool.
Ok_Sheepherder_1794@reddit
The only country I really want to visit is Iran. So… yeah. That ain’t happening any time soon. I had a chance in 2015 when relations were thawing and I will kick myself for the rest of my life for not taking it.
As far as settling, I will always be a Jersey boy. Things would have to get pretty bad here to change that.
And anyway, who wants to be an immigrant, the first group scapegoated when there’s a crisis, the ones with reduced rights, who from an American perspective would have to make do with a reduced standard of living in most places? People come to the U.S. only because in their situation it’s the least terrible option (though now, it actually might be more terrible than staying). Actively choosing that on a whim rather than out of desperate necessity, or some specific opportunity like a job offer, just seems bonkers.
livelongprospurr@reddit
I took four languages besides English in high school and college, and I got a scholarship to study at a German university. The first place I went was Paris, though. I took myself on vacation there. But after I came home from Germany I was done. I still enjoy foreign films and tv shows but I was always an American through and through. I lived near the border with Mexico for about 15 years in the Sonoran desert and loved it, but still in the USA.
Electronic-Gas3354@reddit
As soon as I was able to leave to country to travel, I knew I wanted to live abroad. I have had the opportunity to travel outside the US a lot, but I’m hoping to make the move out in the next year.
tcrhs@reddit
I love to travel abroad, but I don’t want to live anywhere else. America will always be my home.
Weightmonster@reddit
Yes. A lot do.
CoachOpen1977@reddit
I dream of getting out of this country and never looking back. It’ll probably never happen because I’m a low-achiever and nobody in my family seems to share my desire to bounce. I don’t know where though because I haven’t been many places abroad. I have been to Canada and the Caribbean and I loved both of them. I think I’d love to see Iceland the most.
whatiswrongwithme675@reddit
If I could find work that would let me live comfortably outside the US, I would move in a moment. But my job isn't specialized, I have health conditions that limit my options, and I can't find a remote job in this economy that has digital nomad potential.
Top options are New Zealand, Malta, Portugal, Greece, (and yes, Japan). But at this point I would take anywhere with nationalized healthcare. Even paying out of pocket would be cheaper than the US. Just the insulin copays alone ya'll.
thegrumpygrunt@reddit
Yes I'd like to retire somewhere with a cheaper cost of living but that'll never happen because I have to fund the boomers social security
BxAnnie@reddit
We do now.
MinaWearsGold@reddit
I’ve never wanted to live in another country, but I think wanting to travel is a common desire for most people regardless of location. There are so many beautiful places abroad.
maggy_boi_x@reddit
Not really. I'm 25, never left the United States, and the only countries I have any interest in going to are Canada and Mexico, which are both driving distance for me. America is a very large country wirh many diverse cultures within, so the prospect of leaving just seems a bit moot.
BDBostonian@reddit
For me? Traveling, absolutely. I’ve done a lot of travel abroad. Never felt compelled to settle outside of the US, though.
Current_Mongoose_844@reddit
I did settle abroad, but yes I do want to travel the world. I want to go to Taiwan, Mongolia (going this summer), Uganda, and Argentina to name a few.
Certain-Monitor5304@reddit
I would love to visit Australia, France, Czech Republic, South Korea, Greece, Ireland, maybe Germany.
I would never want to move there permanently. I would do a one week stay per country at the most. I would just do 1 or 2 countries per year.
Recent-Celebration86@reddit
Yes, there are multiple countries I've dreamed of visiting, my whole life really.
HotTopicMallRat@reddit
Yes. Now more than ever I think.
letsplaydrben@reddit
I do. I want out of this hell.
Spirited-Way2406@reddit
I would like to go to the British Isles, because most of my ancestors are from there. I don't imagine that I'm English or Irish or Welsh, but there are places with my ancestors' surnames on them that I would like to see, and people with those names alive today who look unnervingly like direct relatives of mine. (I don't imagine that my ancestors were the lords of the manor either, but there are lots of people whose ancestors farmed for the Lord of Notsurewich who ended up with the surname Notsurewich when the census takers rolled through.)
One bit I would have to be careful of, though: As best I can tell, my paternal ancestral family is Very Catholic and due to a then-rare divorce the American branch is Very Not.
Low_Attention9891@reddit
Yeah, there are definitely people who want to move abroad. I suspect mostly Europe, a lot of people do migrate between the US and Canada, but I don’t think anyone is fantasizing about it as some exotic destination.
Personally, east Asia would be one of the last places I’d go. The language/culture barrier would be an issue along with the fact that I’m tall and don’t think a place like Japan would be very accommodating to that.
In response to your edit: I don’t think excluding Japan is racist, just a little weird, I’ve never thought of Japan as a major destination for emigration.
fab50ish@reddit
I have. I dream about traveling all over as well.
clementynemurphy@reddit
Yes, most people I know plan to settle somewhere else because it's cheaper. US is too expensive after you retire. We plan to be on the move a bit only cuz the countries we previously planned are total s shows now and too many Americans so it's too expensive!
WarMinister23@reddit
I assumed most people overseas and outside our borders hated us and only moved here for money if they come at all.
RLsSed@reddit
Some of us, absolutely. It had its issues, like anyplace does, but after my too-brief time living in Korea I didn't want to return to the US.
spicypotatoqueen@reddit
American here! I lived in Madrid for a year and six months on a student visa. I was teaching English and got Spanish classes in exchange. I was forced to return to the US because of the Covid-19 pandemic. Living abroad made me appreciate the US. I would like to live abroad again one day - a truly rewarding experience that makes one grow and mature as a person.
Still_Want_Mo@reddit
I dream about travelling but never settling down. I couldn't leave all my friends and family.
MrLongWalk@reddit
Dreaming of traveling is very common, with most people having several countries they’d love to visit.
Wanting to settle somewhere else is not very common
LynnSeattle@reddit
It depends on who you ask. In a recent poll, 40% of American women and girls ages 15 to 45 want to permanently leave the country.
https://19thnews.org/2025/11/younger-american-women-want-to-move/
Funny_Inspection6893@reddit
A lot of that is Trump related. Trump has definitely increased the desire of people to live. Not just him, but the fact that he was elected, which can reduce one's opinion of their fellow Americans.
SpiderGwen42@reddit
Yeah, my cousin and his fiancée are moving to Australia in a couple months and one of the biggest reasons is Trump. They may eventually move back but he says it’s pretty unlikely in the current political climate.
AgITGuy@reddit
Wanting to settle elsewhere becomes more and more prevalent the worse your current life situation becomes.
Mite-o-Dan@reddit
WANTING and actually DOING it are two major differences though.
Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans now WANT or THINK about moving to another country. I mean, its one of the most talked ideas on Reddit.
But the actual amount that do it is still extremely small and has barely increased.
AgITGuy@reddit
I understand completely and agree - there are a ton of barriers to emigration that most people just simply don't understand or are aware of. It is a difficult time and most aren't able to pack up and move - whether it be money, family, obligations or some other reason.
mcsmith610@reddit
Which ironically, is the opposite of what other countries would want or accept from an immigrant, American or otherwise.
AgITGuy@reddit
The people that see the need to potentially move to improve their lives tend to be the ones that are aware and capable enough to provide a net positive to wherever they go. Lots of educated people are the first to go when we have things like brain drain with World War Two or even now with Trump causing academics and doctors to be disparaged. We are seeing those educated Americans of means seeking places they can reroot their lives and families and are more likely to better assimilate to their new location.
mcsmith610@reddit
I’m referring to the lions share of people who want to move (but can’t or won’t be accepted), not just the sampling of those capable of moving. Two very different groups of people.
jfchops3@reddit
Especially among those with an external locus of control
They don't want to figure out how tk fix their problems themselves, they want to live under a different government that they think will solve their problems for them. Problem is very few of those Americans have anything those other governments are looking for so it's nothing but an internet fantasy
AgITGuy@reddit
Or, and here is the thing, people in general across the world choose to leave their current situation if there is abuse, threat to safety, lack of economic options and no support system.
LyannafuckingMormont@reddit
I do, but for love interest.
OpposumMyPossum@reddit
I don't know of anyone that dreams of moving to Japan and it's a sort of niche place to dream of traveling.
Some progressives vaguely dream of living somewhere where they don't have to worry about medical care costs or end of life costs and think of the benefits of those Western European countries.
PacSan300@reddit
I think Japan is pretty mainstream now as as a place many people want to visit, not “niche” by any means.
OpposumMyPossum@reddit
Dreaming to go to?
I feel like it's a normal place to want to see, but not really over other places travelers want to go.
DetectiveDonald@reddit
I would love to permanently move to Europe.
ragdoll1022@reddit
I'd like to go to Australia to see a platypus and kangaroo in the wild but that godawful long plane ride means I probably won't go.
There's nothing else in the world I'd travel outside the US for. Not worth not being able to get home.
Major_Spite7184@reddit
I do. I want out. I want to move to Norway, Sweden, Finland, or maybe Denmark. I want to travel Europe again, and have time to see things and really take it all in. I want out of this rat race. I just don’t think I’d be welcomed or wanted there any more.
KingSpork@reddit
Somtimes I get really sick of American bullshit an fantasize about leaving for good. But when I’m away for more than a couple weeks, I get homesick. America may be a dumpster fire, but it’s my dumpster fire.
javiergoddam@reddit
I really like it here but the healthcare system is intimidating and opaque and scammy (esp as self-employed, thank god I am young) and I am considering moving elsewhere one day. I would hate it. I can't even imagine leaving the midwest/northeast because of how dear it is to me, although I have better job prospects in certain cities outside of here!
Individualchaotin@reddit
Yes. I have traveled to 45+ countries as a solo female traveler and I am working on my second passport.
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
Do you run a youtube channel??? Like post vlogs and stuffs??
Individualchaotin@reddit
No.
timstiefler@reddit
wow, that's amazing
Mr_Noms@reddit
Traveling? Yes.
Settling? No.
I’ve lived in other countries, and while I thoroughly enjoyed it and would like to do it again for a brief period (~3 years), there are more opportunities for my family in America.
Hungry_Objective2344@reddit
I think most Americans do, but I think it can be genuinely hard to find a place in the world quite like here. My top choices for countries to move to would be Australia, Spain, or, if political issues die down, Greece or Italy. Most people I know what to move to a northern European country, like Denmark or the Netherlands or Finland, but I don't like all the cold and rain common in that kind of climate. I lived in Seattle for a while... not making that mistake again.
GingerTea69@reddit
A lot of us know that we are universally disliked rn and so that limits us to basically this country right here. I don't go where I'm not wanted.
jennyrules@reddit
I wouldn't mind a vacation abroad, I suppose, but it's very unlikely to happen. I would never live in another country, and havnt ever considered it. Amanda Knox has effectively prevented me from ever wanting to. Also, I can't imagine I'd adjust well culturally. There's a lot of cultural practices in other countries that I just cannot respect.
stiletto929@reddit
I dream about moving to a country with reasonable fun control laws and universal health care.
smilebig553@reddit
I've thought about Scandinavian countries, but I think it's just grass must be greener so I just will stay where I am. I also thought Japan. Was introduced to it for anime, and then I looked at the country for my globalization class. I like the culture and the shrines from images online, but their work culture is not for me.
EyeCantSeeMyFeelings@reddit
I'd like to travel around the UK, Germany, and Norway for a bit. I am a typical American Mutt whose ancestors come from all over those areas so it would be cool to see the landscapes my kin came from. But I'll never have that kind of money.
ants_taste_great@reddit
My cousin moved to Southern Germany from. The US. He likes it.
West_Guidance2167@reddit
Why not Japan specifically? In short, no. I’ve moved states 1290 miles away from home. I don’t have any real interest in moving abroad.
Aeribous@reddit
I’d love to retire to south France.
sc4ry3qu1n0x@reddit
I dream about moving to Australia but I feel like realistically it wouldn't happen. maybe someday 🤷♀️
stellacoachella@reddit
Living in australia rn but USA is home and i can’t wait till my bf and i move there, i miss California so much but just the United States in general
jaxinhiding@reddit
yes. especially given how the government is (and honestly has been for decades, but now it’s much more visible)
Totodile386@reddit
Well, we used to think, the grass is greener on the other side, and so thought of Europe and Asia as being like paradise full of nice people, but then there was a wave of vloggers saying the opposite, "You don't want to move abroad," and so we figured, same shit different toilet, I suppose.
So we used to think living in Europe or Japan would be like paradise, but people have changed our minds about it.
Ten2none@reddit
I never had a desire to live anywhere else. If I did it would have to be in a dry warm environment like the two deserts I've lived in and an elevation of 1,500 or more. Anywhere that had higher humidity made me feel sick. I lived in Tennessee for 6 years and my body never adapted. I was always tired and allergies were awful. It rained too much and my body would always be sore. Cold weather is even worse. I also avoid beaches. I prefer rural living and avoid big cities if I can.
sdxab1my@reddit
When I was young, I dreamed of traveling abroad. When I got older, I lived/worked/traveled abroad. My husband and I have wild dreams of going back and retiring (if we survive the US long enough 🙄) abroad in one of the countries we worked in.
I think a lot of non-Americans want to come experience the excess, consumerism, and perceived opportunity that they see in pop culture; many of my friends and coworkers had this kind of take. I often find these things exhausting and enjoyed being away from it for long periods.
Base_211@reddit
Amsterdam is seen by a lot of Americans as a perfect Utopia (particularly those who don't like cars) and it's getting popular to move there.
Antioch666@reddit
The stats says about 250k-300k Americans emigrate yearly.
Around 3 million Americans live abroad not counting military personnel.
So yes.
ashleid@reddit
I did dream of traveling and living abroad, particularly Europe and the UK. So when I was 32, I took a seven month job in Italy. Now I live in France and it’s been 9 years abroad, moving back to the US sounds like a nightmare.
No_Owl_8576@reddit
Why excluding Japan just out of curiosity? You know I wanna see Europe..but I have no desire to be anything but American. United States 🇺🇸
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
I've mentioned about japan in the edit
sacrificejeffbezos@reddit
Yes, and I left 7 years ago. I have lived in Korea, Japan, and now Turkey. Moving to Thailand in a few months.
iswintercomingornot_@reddit
Can you please explain why you are excluding Japan?
Most Americans (71-76%) do travel abroad but don't dream about setting abroad.
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
I've mentioned it in the edit
brainmeds@reddit
Wait, why are we excluding Japan?
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
I've mentioned in the edit
Cool-Coffee-8949@reddit
I dream about moving abroad almost daily. Whenever I look at the news, in fact. But I’ve felt that way for a very long time, even when things here were relatively good. I’d much rather live in France or Italy.
What do you mean about Japan? Are not allowed to want to live there?
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
About japan I've mentioned it in the edit
Brilliant_Mix_6051@reddit
I dream of traveling to other places all the time. But it’s really hard to afford.
PowellGenealogy@reddit
Ironically, the only place outside of the US in which I've lived is Japan. Beyond that, I'm not very interested in living abroad US permanently at the moment. I'm a dual German citizen, and honestly after traveling around the EU I still prefer living in the US (maybe I'd consider moving to an EU country after I retire, simply due to the ease of international travel there).
I'd definitely like to travel more, though. The top ten on my list right now are Ghana, India, Argentina, Namibia, Chile, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Morocco, Cambodia, and Oman.
TallCommission7139@reddit
Dream of it? No.
I am /prepared/ for the possibility of having to escape into Canada to avoid the day of the jackboot.
But it's not really a dream beyond 'it'd be nice'.
DesertWanderlust@reddit
I lived in Asia in high school and always thought I would go back at some point to live as an expat and raise my kid. That never happened though for various reasons. I felt like getting out of the country and being around people from other cultures was good for me, but it may not be good for everyone.
BigBlaisanGirl@reddit
Yes. Places with free Healthcare and indoor plumbing.
Murky-Science9030@reddit
Not that much. People who can live anywhere often live in the USA
MattheiusFrink@reddit
I've considered Germany, Poland, and Israel.
Strange_Specific655@reddit
Would like to visit but the USA is my home 🇺🇸 always will be. Why? If I get arrested I can invoke my 5th amendment right. I can walk right up to a sitting president/mayor/senator/governor or the bitch next door, and say “go fuck yourself” and never get in trouble for it.
Rainlex_Official@reddit
i personally dream about moving to canada or one of the nordic countries. in my opinion they have a lot nicer, more stable societies.
satellite_station@reddit
lol I am an America who moved to Japan. I just always knew I was meant to be in Tokyo. 18 years later, I guess I was right.
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I didn’t desire to move here as a kid.
Perhaps I would have moved to Glasgow, Cardiff, or Göteborg.
But I didn’t become interested in those places until my 20s after I was already here in Tokyo.
8Pandemonium8@reddit
I don't
metamucil_buttchug69@reddit
Nope, if you're talented America is the best place to be, if you're not you're also not going to be able to legally immigrate anywhere else.
UnluckyPhilosophy797@reddit
I dream of leaving the united states daily and settling in the UK or Europe. This place ain’t what it’s cracked up to be
nautical1776@reddit
As long as the fascist grifters are running the country yes. I would love to live in Scandinavia or someplace where life is a little more pleasant.
Absurdtittyz@reddit
I would love to do a year(s) long tour of Europe living 3-4 months and moving again. Never gonna happen tho, too expensive :(
Mountain_Guava_6493@reddit
Yes!
qu33nof5pad35@reddit
Yes.
cowgirlbootzie@reddit
I liked travelling in Europe (Germany,Italy, France) my daughter lived in Germany, so I visited her as she lived among the local peoples. No, I don't dream of living there, but I loved the people I met there. Especially the French. I went to church in France and I couldn't believe the lack of racism. (We're Italian American). The people greeted each other by kissing cheeks and that included black members.
Shoshawi@reddit
Probably a bad time to ask that haha but in my experience there are more people who don’t than who do want to travel extensively and settle abroad. They want to go on vacation yes but as tourists. Even if they talk serious shit about tourists in their own hometowns lol.
MDJokerQueen@reddit
The middle east. You would be surprised at how many americans live and never want to leave- especially in Gulf countries.
Dry-Statement1426@reddit
I would live in another country if the opportunity arose but it isn’t a dream of mine to live out of the country long term. I love America and I hope to see it get better & stronger in the years to come.
TNTmom4@reddit
I’ve been dreaming of traveling long or short term since I was 13. I’m 60 now.
Shonky_Honker@reddit
I dream of living in a ton of different places in a nomadic sense and never really settling down but that’s pretty unrealistic
Emeah824@reddit
I’ve never wanted to leave but if I had to, I think I could do Canada or the UK
JimNtexas@reddit
My whole life growing up was in Texas. My brother and I decided that Texas was the whole world. All those other places, Europe, Asia, Alaska, etc were not real. They were just a cruel joke played on us kids.
Benchod12077@reddit
No I can never see myself living in another country yet alone a different state. I love LA too much. Do I want a vacation home in a different country? Yes. Settle down there? Hell no.
Resistiane@reddit
Yes. But, not a lot of countries actually allow Americans to live there so... we're stuck here.
TheClayDart@reddit
I fantasize sometimes about living in northern or Western Europe but then I do research and realize just visiting is about as much as we could do.
losebow2@reddit
Japan is a big one, dreamed about going there since I was a kid. My father worked for a Japanese country, so I got exposed to the culture young. Would also really consider living in Ireland or Scotland.
swervecity36@reddit
Everyday big dawg. Every. Day.
feliniaCR@reddit
I don’t believe Japan stands out as the main place to travel or move to for Americans. Personally, I know more Americans that moved to Portugal than anywhere else. I also know quite a few that spent several years in the UK.
iAmAsword@reddit
I dream of moving abroad especially as i get older and the facade that the US is is pulled back further and further.
kevinlc1971@reddit
I dream of my wife and I spending years just traveling the world, but with kids and now grandkids it’s a pipe dream. Not complaining as I adore them all.
ATLien_3000@reddit
Only Japan.
iWillNeverBeSpecial@reddit
I managed to accomplish a big travel dream of mine a few years ago traveling to Japan.
My biggest dream is to save up for a month vacation to Australia. I've always wanted to go since I was 5 years old
Joeuxmardigras@reddit
I dream of traveling and living abroad
Puzzleheaded_Sir800@reddit
No
Klutzy_Bean_17@reddit
I would leave right now if I could. I’ve never felt like I belong here. Europe would be amazing, I’d be happy in Switzerland, England, Netherlands, Spain, anywhere really!
DazzleMeAlready@reddit
New Zealand would be my answer. No question. It’s beautiful and I like their politics. And the Māori culture is fascinating.
Chimaera1075@reddit
Yes they do. That’s why there are American expats all over the world.
pee_shudder@reddit
Australia. I have wanted to visit Australia for my entire life and I have wanted to live there ever since I got to know some Australian people, and seeing interactions online of Australian people being Australian.
Prize_Consequence568@reddit
"Do Americans dream of traveling or settling abroad (excluding Japan) like others dream of the U.S?"
Since we're not a monolith it's going to depend on the particular person OP.
thelesliesmooth@reddit
Very unlikely I'll ever leave the US to live permanently. But I want to visit outside the US everywhere I can!
CelticSamurai91@reddit
When I was in high school I really wanted to live in the UK. Part of that was because my junior year of high school I was part of a class that spent 10 days in London and Paris.
citytiger@reddit
ive sometimes thought about moving to Canada.
Western-Giraffe-5150@reddit
We generally dream of seeing the world aka traveling but most of us don't as life is expensive and while it looks like we make a lot of money in America it also cost a lot to live in America.
Secret-Equipment2307@reddit
Traveling, of course. Settling, absolutely not.
Playful_Question538@reddit
I just want to park my yacht in the South of France part of the year and in other nice areas the rest of the year. Can I just follow the weather on my yacht to live the perfect life?
Guera29@reddit
When I'm stressed out I daydream about moving to the English countryside and living in a little stone cottage with a garden and sheep. I even started looking into visa options and jobs, but I make like 3x more here then I could ever make there. But still I dream.
poobudman@reddit
I spent about a quarter of my life living outside the states, not counting travel for leisure, mostly in Asia and Europe. Being an American abroad has become less enjoyable for a variety of reasons, and as an old person I am content to not go where I am no longer welcome.
Fortunately America is a big place, and I feel like I could spend the rest of my life happily exploring it without getting bored.
EyelinerStoic@reddit
I don’t
Hello_Badkitty@reddit
Yes. If i won the lottery I would totally move to the English countryside and live as a bog witch in my cottage. Haha
alexseiji@reddit
Yes. I dream of moving to Germany or Austria or France. They are my favorite countries.
xjulesx21@reddit
I dream of traveling the world of course but I don’t dream of settling elsewhere, & I think the difference is that I know my family wouldn’t join me. Many people immigrating to America have family that also would/want to settle in America.
HuaHuzi6666@reddit
I don’t think Japan is particularly common as a destination for Americans living abroad — much more likely Canada, Mexico, or certain EU countries.
CockroachNo2540@reddit
Never until I had a kid and we had a rash of school shootings. Unfortunately, I’m a bit too old to have a good chance of getting an immigration visa to places I would be willing to go.
Character-Tennis-241@reddit
I've read stories about Americans who have moved abroad and love it. I'd love to visit other countries.
LynnSeattle@reddit
40% of American women and girls ages 15-45 do want to settle abroad.
https://19thnews.org/2025/11/younger-american-women-want-to-move/
I’m outside of that age group but yes, I would like to live in Norway.
LongHaulinTruckwit@reddit
Lots of Americans like to threaten to move to Canada.
But, let's be honest. Canada doesn't want us. Lol
SomethingTouchesBack@reddit
Correct. My wife and I looked into immigrating to Canada. Nope. Plan B: have Canada annex our state.
FolsgaardSE@reddit
Its very hard to get Canadian citizenship. I tried for several years in my 30s and never made it. Plus I was going for a high end field (IT) and willing to live in a remote area (Nunavut). Still no luck.
typetiming@reddit
canada doesn’t want natives either hmm
athenank@reddit
To be fair, they do want our healthcare workers
IthurielSpear@reddit
There isn’t enough housing available in Canada for an influx of immigrants, we’d make Canadians suffer even more. Have you seen the prices on groceries there lately? It’s gotten bad.
Abducted-by-Arby@reddit
Most people who are on this sub are pretty happy to live in the US, just because it’s all about America and American culture, so the amount here might be a little bit skewed than if you were to poll random Americans in the street. That being said, most people I know want to travel and visit other countries, but want to remain living in the US long-term.
tcspears@reddit
Not really, although more Americans have been moving away in recent years, but the US attracts far more people than leave. There’s unmatched opportunity and freedom here, that you just don’t get in many other places. We have a very diverse landscape, 50 individual states with their own laws/cultures, we don’t have a formal class system, we have representation from every culture on the planet here, you can find every language spoken here, our society has been built by waves of immigrants in an attempt to fix the issues that had in their home countries, and (despite the current administration) we tend to be progressive and modern.
I’m not saying we’re perfect, far from it, but with all our flaws, most of prefer it here, and there’s a long list of people trying to come here for all those same reasons.
Vegetable-Star-5833@reddit
I dream of staying home and never going anywhere. I personally hate travel
royhurford@reddit
I love traveling, and I hope to visit many countries in the coming years. But, I have no desire to move to another country.
Top of my list to visit right now: Guatemala, Ireland, italy, Iceland, Japan, Korea.
RatonhnhaketonK@reddit
Absolutely. Spain or Norway are my dreams
GenXer845@reddit
No. Most can't afford it/never owned a passport. The super rich ones do though.
Superb_Victory_2759@reddit
Been dreaming of getting out of this country for as long as I can remember. I don’t feel like I fit in in the US.
Vulpix_lover@reddit
Traveling to countries my family is from is realistically what I wouldn't want to do
futuretrashacc@reddit
Why not? I hope to once the politics chill out again. Outside of saying hi to family and paying respects to graves; there's a lot of sight seeing and perhaps visiting online friends that I'd like to do there.
Vulpix_lover@reddit
There was a typo, I meant would
futuretrashacc@reddit
Oopsie
Khpatton@reddit
My wife and I do, and may choose to at some point. We fell in love with Aotearoa/New Zealand over a decade ago and have seriously considered moving there. I’m an elementary school teacher, which would put me on a fast track to residency there.
In general, traveling internationally has shown me how much more balanced and fulfilling life can be compared to the US. I’m perfectly happy making some sacrifices (higher taxes, smaller house, etc.) if it means I can enjoy a healthier work-life balance in a country where I don’t have to teach young children how to protect themselves from mass shooters.
Obligatory note that ofc New Zealand isn’t perfect; nowhere is. I know a lot of Kiwis move abroad due to the relative isolation of the country and the struggles that come with that (fewer jobs, housing shortages, etc.). All told, though, for the things my wife and I value, New Zealand ticks more boxes for us than the US does.
silence-glaive1@reddit
Yes, for me at least especially now. I would like to move to Canada. My husbands maternal family was from Canada so I think technically he can claim citizenship but I don’t really know how to or how much it will cost
FinancialSuccess3814@reddit
I think for very wealthy people the dream is to have a vacation home abroad. Like maybe most of the time you live/work in the US but you take a couple months off a year to be at your villa in Italy or whatever. There are probably a fair amount of people who would like to experience living in another country, but I think most are content with traveling and coming back to America.
IrememberXenogears@reddit
I will speak for myself, yes. I have visited 43 countries so far and I have been making a shortlist of countries I intend to retire in.
Wonderful_Shower_793@reddit
I have since 2016.
AcmeCartoonVillian@reddit
Yes, I would greatly like to see the normandy landing zones, the fortifications at Manilla, and several other places in person
JohnMarstonSucks@reddit
The overwhelming majority of Americans would love to travel the world, and most could name at least half a dozen countries they would like to visit.
Very, very few would ever want to live in another country.
tinfoilskimask@reddit
Every American has that uncle that moved to Thailand.
morosco@reddit
We don't like to talk about Steve.
jigokubi@reddit
That's ridiculous. My uncle Steve didn't move there. He just visited and married a Thai woman.
tinfoilskimask@reddit
Mines Larry
KagakuNinja@reddit
LOL, my name is Steve, and my dad is Larry... None of us have been to Thailand.
Closest I've been is Japan.
morosco@reddit
I hope Larry found what he was looking for, but, you know, not everything he was looking for.
Aprils-Fool@reddit
I have never heard of this. Not coincidentally, I have an uncle who immigrated here from Thailand.
Sellum@reddit
It’s a creepy uncle joke about sex tourism.
Aprils-Fool@reddit
Ah! Amazingly, I never had any creepy uncles, at least that I was aware of.
MSXzigerzh0@reddit
What about Hawaii?
lanfear2020@reddit
Traveling to other places for sure. Wouldn’t rule out moving somewhere, but no current plans.
ghoulsbuddy@reddit
I'm an outlier. I'm an American who's visited Europe and lived in England and Germany. If Poland created a program tomorrow where Americans with Master's degrees and PhDs could get instantly approved, I'd move there next month.
For context I've lived in about 10 different states including California, Virginia, Montana, Georgia, and Utah. So I have plenty of context for the variety inside the US.
I_Am_Mandark_Hahaha@reddit
I dream of moving to Asia when I retire.
nicodemus_archleone2@reddit
I’ll be right behind you in 10 years.
RickySlayer9@reddit
Sometimes. Could be abroad, mostly other US states tho. Mostly Europe tho, or Australia and Japan, not many other countries unless their family is from there
JustAnotherDay1977@reddit
No. Trump’s election is closest I’ve ever come to considering living abroad…but it would have to get quite a bit worse before I’d give it serious consideration.
cleverburrito@reddit
Yes
Historical_Low4458@reddit
Yes, I have always thought about visiting some other countries, in particular.
In fact, I am in the process of getting everything organized and buying tickets for experiences during my trip to London and Paris later this year.
The UK, and to a lesser extent, riding on the Eurostar to France, has always been a "bucket" list item for me. It was right up there with going to Mexico and Canada. The only two other countries that I think of that are on that bucket list is Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
Now, that's not to say, I wouldn't be willing to go to other countries, I haven't given much thought to. For example, I went to The Bahamas right before the Pandemic and it was fun enough. Also, before the Pandemic, there was a direct flight to Iceland that I was thinking about taking just because it was an option.
Living abroad is a whole different thing. I have no real desire to live anywhere other than the U.S. I'm not saying I wouldn't, but I would have to be priced out of literally everywhere in the U.S. first.
the-quibbler@reddit
Lots of people aspire to, and do, travel abroad, but the numbers for both for expatriation are miniscule. Generally, the political out-party makes a big performative show of "fleeing" the US, but the US has enormous net immigration, even with limits and increasingly stringent enforcement.
Outrageous_Garden586@reddit
Yes. Many Americans dream of moving to Western Europe for a variety of reasons, many of which are political.
Proud-Shock-4760@reddit
I dream of leaving America when my kids are grown and I have a better retirement account. Somewhere with decent medical care and where I can stretch my dollar further.
BrotherNatureNOLA@reddit
My dream trip is to cruise the Amazon or dive in the Philippines. There's something wrong with people with no desire to see the world.
Chickadee831@reddit
Yes. I'll never be able to afford it though.
Chickadee831@reddit
Yes. I'll never be able to afford it though.
MountainDude95@reddit
Personally I would leave the U.S. in a heartbeat. I’ve never felt like I belong.
Odd-Significance-17@reddit
yes constantly it’s all i do. where i live is hell
Slight_Manufacturer6@reddit
Yes… I would love to move to another country and immerse myself in the culture.
I-Trusted-the-Fart@reddit
One of my main life goals is to live in at least 10 different places. I’d like that include at least 3-4 countries. I’ve already lived in 5 cities and 2 countries (though I kinda don’t count one since it was like an hour from where I grew up). It’s 6 cities and 3 countries if you count a 3 month study abroad (which I think is right on the cusp of “living” somewhere).
Rumpelteazer45@reddit
Yes. I’d be happy to live in a lot of places. Italy sign me up. Chile? Sure!! Thailand? Absolutely.
TheGabyDali@reddit
Yes, I dream of living abroad. I actually got to live in Korea for a few years and then jumped around between Thailand and Russia for a while before returning to the US and I deeply regret doing so. At the moment we're (my husband and I) a bit stuck, we have a toddler and our careers are not something that are greatly desired abroad. I guess technically mine is but the market is oversaturated with English teachers. I just want to move somewhere that is safe, that my daughter will get a good education and opportunities and where we won't feel like we are living to work.
Unfair_Choice2280@reddit
I do! But I would say that many, if not most Americans don’t.
adastraperdiscordia@reddit
Not everyone, but there's a decent amount of expats living in places like Spain, Thailand, Costa Rica, UAE, etc.
strongly-worded@reddit
My partner and I went to Spain for our honeymoon and we spent the whole time fantasizing about moving there. We still talk about it sometimes, especially with the state of US politics. But it’s not realistic, we have family here that we wouldn’t want to be that far away from. So it remains a wistful dream
USBombs83@reddit
Dream about moving to Ireland every day of my life. Cork, especially. I’d take pretty much any 2nd or 1st world country at this point as long as I can handle the food. Wouldn’t want to go to England or Australia. They’re teetering too close to becoming America at this point.
Hey-Bud-Lets-Party@reddit
Number of American expats by country
TheMuffler42069@reddit
Americans living anywhere abroad is pretty common
Miserable-Ad2476@reddit
I mostly just dream of living in anywhere that has a walkable city, lol. I am very close with family so I don't think i'd ever want to live somewhere abroad long term, maybe for 2-3 years.
Latter_Effective1288@reddit
Yeah many people here romanticize Europe alot
futuretrashacc@reddit
Yes. For me at the moment...
Both: Australia, Brazil, Canada, Germany, Estonia, Slovenia, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, and Finland.
Hard maybe on both: Poland, Ireland, and Montenegro
Just travel wise in a dream world: Armenia, Georgia, Serbia, Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Moldova, Argentina, Botswana, Kiribati, Philippines, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Latvia, Lithuania, and the UK.
Most Americans outside of Japan would most likely say Brazil, Canada, Mexico, UK, Germany, South Korea, Serbia, Croatia, Poland, Norway, and New Zealand.
Bubbly_Following7930@reddit
I'm sure some do and some don't. I don't.
PainterEarly86@reddit
I'd love to settle somewhere else if it were easier.
But most people that do that are either very well off financially or are in physical danger in their home country.
pleasingwave@reddit
I travel abroad semi-often, I lived abroad (like some American college students who spend a semester abroad while in college), and many people around me do so for the excitement of exploring new cultures, regions, places, etc. But there are people I know who don't travel abroad because:
1) Money. The United States is a large country and fairly far from other places. Getting to nearby foreign countries (Canada and Mexico) can easily be a $600 flight. Getting further (Europe, South America, Asia, Africa, Oceania is even more expensive).
2) Lack of vacation time/PTO compared to other developed countries. Americans often get 2 weeks max of paid time off and a trip far away requires at least a week to be worth it. That would only leave a week for occasional days of (taking a day of for your birthday, a long weekend trip, holidays, weddings, funerals, etc.)
3) Disinterest or dislike of cities/urban areas. This is rarer but exists. I know many folks who think we have enough interesting things at home and would rather drive to a U.S. National Park than go to a large city with a large airport and fly to a foreign large city/airport where everything is unfamiliar. I see that in family from rural places that would rather go hunting.
4) Fear. I find this among the same crowd as #3. I know people who straight up refuse to go to Mexico, even if it's in a very safe heavily tourist resort area like Cancun because they fear they will be kidnapped or hurt. That same crowd paid a lot of attention to knife attacks in London. I don't mean to get political, but I think some people have an outsized view of violence in other places and would rather be safe and at home.
A desire to live abroad and emigrate is a lot more rare. Of those who travel, like myself and friends, we occasionally dream of living abroad for a few years. We could have a higher quality of life with more vacation time (and nearby vacation opportunities), starting a family or raising kids could be easier in a place with a bigger social safety net, and some Americans who dislike certain political parties jokingly consider moving abroad to get away for a few years. However, I only see that "live abroad for a few years" among upper middle-class people who have options. I don't often see that on less well-off people who are just working to survive.
Very few Americans emigrate. I only know a handful of people who have and that's because:
Work or Family. Maybe they joined a company based in Australia, Canada, or France (some other industrialized and developed economy) and career wise it made sense to move. Maybe they married a foreigner and ultimately chose to move/start a family in a different country.
Cost of Living. This is really for retirees who want to move abroad where the pace of life is slower and they can live comfortably on their savings. Often it's Mexico or the Caribbean. This is circumstantial and most Americans don't "dream" of that from a young age.
Obsession with a foreign country or ideology. This is exceptionally rare but I know someone who is obsessed with China and communism and plans to do a Masters there, get a job there, and fully emigrate.
To sum it up, many Americans do dream of traveling abroad but those who want to live abroad often do so only for several years before returning to the US. Those who genuinely wish to relocate and settle abroad often do so circumstantially and its uncommon.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Some do I guess, but while I've met many who want to visit other countries I don't know any who actually want to permenently relocate to another country.
Just_curious4567@reddit
I used to fantasize about living abroad for a few years and then coming back. I did do a study abroad for a semester, and I did extensive traveling when I was younger.
Now I want to stay put and work in my garden.
I will take a few more short travel trips abroad but there’s also so much more that I want to see within the US that I haven’t seen yet
ShadowDancerBrony@reddit
My wife and I were going to take our honeymoon abroad (New Zealand) but unfortunately Covid happened and we haven't had the opportunity since.
We would like to travel abroad more (we've both had the opportunities to travel abroad in our youths) but it's just logistically difficult, and we already to one large annual vacation within the US every year (Gen Con) and even the option of traveling abroad hasn't gotten us to give up on it.
My wife showed me an article a bit ago about the Irish government's offer for people to live on a remote island tending a lighthouse, and I've had several actual dreams about moving to places like Poland, Scotland, Greenland, Japan, and Mongolia for one reason or another.
But at the end of the day my wife and I agree we would make horrible citizens of those countries.
Ghost_Turtle@reddit
I read your edit but that is biggly misconceived on your end. On avg most Americans dont wanna go to Japan no more than any other 1st world country you can think of.
Ok_Two_2604@reddit
It’s technically not abroad but if I can ever retire, it will be to Puerto Rico.
Face_with_a_View@reddit
I certainly have more recently
degobrah@reddit
Yes. My wife is from Thailand and eventually we will move there. She made a huge sacrifice for me by living here and she is generally more happy there. I've lived abroad many times before so moving to Thailand would be another place to live, though it would be truly permanent for me.
We have a small house that we need to fix up, but it's ours and it's where we will settle.
mostlygray@reddit
Nah... Not interested. I like America. I like where I live. I dream of moving back up north and living a sedentary hermit's life on my family's land. I could go to town here and there to maybe get breakfast. There's a grocery store that makes their own sausage that's pretty good. We're not far from the lake, there's a creek down the hill that's fun to look at. There's trees, there's a nice meadow. Plenty of animals about to look at deer, wolf, bear, beaver, etc. It's a pleasant place.
That's where I intend to go when I retire, if I make it that long.
You can keep the French Rivera for yourself.
Dramatic-Blueberry98@reddit
I’ve traveled to the UK, Ireland, and Italy thus far over the past several (and hope to hit more when time and money allows). I do find myself thinking about trying to eventually move.
However, home will always be home, and I have too much respect for the efforts that my ancestors took to move our families to where and whence they’ve resided for the past 200+ years. If I do move, it’s not for socio-political reasons; it’d be more so that I can be immersed daily in which ever culture and country I’m interested and invested in at the time.
Plus, it takes a lot more than people might assume, especially nowadays.
bananabuckette@reddit
I wanna do 6 months in different countries but I’m not sure about moving full time I’d have to really love it I haven’t started yet
comrade_zerox@reddit
If I had the means to leave, I certainly would move abroad from the USA right now, given the current political situation.
I love to travel but have never considered moving abroad until recently.
Ok-Equivalent8260@reddit
Of course. I’ve travelled to over 100 countries and have dreamed of living in most of them.
Lovely-flutterby@reddit
I do travel abroad. I’d really love to be able to have a place in Ireland. I don’t think I could be there all the time, but I truly love it there, have been multiple times, and each time have been treated like a native until I open my mouth. Lol
seifd@reddit
Yes, lots of Americans dream of traveling to Europe. Certain parts of Asia seem popular as well. I think that there is probably fewer that actually would want to move to another country.
Turdposter777@reddit
Australia and New Zealand. Sometimes Canada.
Yet, I always find a reason why it won’t work out. Canada is too cold. I’m Asian-American and one of the main targets of racism in Australia and New Zealand are Asians so I get worried about that.
grandma-activities@reddit
I'm weirdly obsessed with the Cotswolds, but mostly I dream of living in England so that I'd be close to the ancestral homelands of France, the Netherlands, and Scotland. I lived with family in France as a toddler. I'd love to live there again if I could be sure that my first language would come back. I just mentioned to my mom the other day that I'd love to take, like, six months off to travel all over Europe. Never going to happen, but I can dream.
shockedpikachu123@reddit
I would retire and move to Vietnam (my mother’s home country) in a heartbeat
coffeegrindz@reddit
For me, yes. France. I’ve visited several time
Away_Analyst_3107@reddit
Traveling yes, living abroad not really.
I want to live abroad eventually due to my career goals, but I always imagine coming back after a few years.
Homo_gone_wild@reddit
The American Dream is to leave this nightmare
caseygwenstacy@reddit
I have dreamed of moving to Canada since I was 7. I still do. I don’t have the ability to travel, and I also haven’t had the funds to go anywhere anyhow. It would be very nice to finally settle down in BC, nice climate for someone too used to awful humidity heat on the east coast. More rain, colder average temperature, and actual public transit. I don’t fantasize about it. I don’t have any inflated idea of a paradise. I just find it as a nice goal, a change in life, and a way to make younger me happy.
AccursedQuantum@reddit
If I could choose any place to live, it would be Switzerland or New Zealand.
But since I don't really qualify for immigration to those places, I am headed for the UK where I have dual citizenship.
YungMangoSnaKE@reddit
In this day and age? I would think demand is higher than it’s ever been lol. I certainly would love to live abroad/have dual citizenship with an EU country, but the whole process is costly (in time, effort and money), and from the cursory research I’ve done, there’s not much demand for sponsoring workers in my industry (print media; the UK seemingly only wants investment bankers, healthcare workers, and esteemed professors, and every other country would require me to learn another language).
At the end of the day though, the grass is seemingly always greener on the other side. Some of the biggest issues I have with America that I’d love to abandon seem to be looming over Europe as well (namely the cost of living crises and authoritarian gov’t), while some of the biggest benefits to European citizenship seem to be hanging rather precariously in the balance (its significantly broader social safety net). At the end of the day, for better or for worse, the US is home and if (or perhaps, when) shit truly hits DEFCON ONE here, there’s not going to be a place on Earth that’ll be safe or insulated from our idiotic, evil, and highly mercurial government anyways.
alanbdee@reddit
Australia's always been mine. Denmark or the Netherlands have been other places. France or Germany are a bit lower on the list.
Problem is, when I compare my quality of life, even when you consider the many problems we have, I have it pretty good. And, I could never leave my friends or family. So, it's always just been a dream.
MorddSith187@reddit
i'm 42 and every day i've dreamed of this since i was 15. every decision i ever made was in some type of pursuit to live and settle abroad. but it never worked out for some reason or another.
South-Transition11@reddit
I had this dream in my 20s, and then I lived abroad for 6 year. I have no desire to do it again. There's a lot to complain about when it comes to the US, but there's a lot the US gets right.
MundaneHuckleberry58@reddit
Your algorithm is weird.
Many, many, many liberals do. For better healthcare, better culture, better way of life, no gun violence, better schools, and so on.
And frequently have. Especially since the first trump administration.
But the reality of being able to is a different story altogether. Anyone who researches it seriously realizes it’s extremely hard to do, whether you’re at working age or retired.
SonuvaGunderson@reddit
Why did you single out Japan?
stanldrr@reddit (OP)
I've mentioned it in the edit
TopHeavyPigeon@reddit
Probably because it’s incredibly common for American anime fans to run around obsessed with everything Japan, so we already know there is a group of people that dream of moving there.
BurritoBowlw_guac@reddit
I’d love to travel the world but have no interest whatsoever in ever actually living any place other than the USA. My husband doesn’t even want to leave the Continental US to visit. Actually there is plenty of diversity in landscapes right here and we haven’t seen a lot of it.
JennItalia269@reddit
I’ll be retiring in Thailand sooner than later hopefully.
Pandaburn@reddit
Sometimes, but it has a very different vibe sometimes. Some Americans want to go live in Europe, since there are generally more free social services.
But sometimes we dream of going to live in a place where the exchange rate is in our favor. I’m so tired of working, maybe if I took all my money to somewhere a lower cost of living I wouldn’t have to.
emotions1026@reddit
I’ve been to Europe twice and tbh I prefer vacationing in the US
bansheesho@reddit
International travel for sure. I don't really dream of moving somewhere else though. I think for that to become part of my mindset, I'd have to have like $5-10 million tucked away, and I'd probably still gravitate towards long trips rather than permanent residency.
Hippinerd@reddit
I think we dream either of working hard so we can “make it” here or of changing things here to what they should be.
BlueFeathered1@reddit
Excluding some beautiful Japanese island I've wanted to settle on since I was a little girl, I'd say Scotland or Norway are places I've dreamed of being. I like the cold, obviously.
Quix66@reddit
Yes! And I’ve don’t see more than once.
Summer camps in France and Quebec in high school
Semester abroad in London
3 years working in Japan
5 months working in Beijing
Still would move out the US to live abroad in a heartbeat if I could.
finethanksandyou@reddit
I do
muphasta@reddit
When I was a kid, our fam was lower middle class. We had everything we needed and some of what we wanted. International travel was a pipe dream.
I joined the navy and got stationed in Iceland for 1.5 years, then Germany for 2. I'd always wanted to visit Germany, and it was better than I could have ever dreamt. I had more fun in those 2 years than any human deserves. If I wasn't at work or asleep, I was off base exploring, mountain biking, drinking, drinking, or drinking.
JtotheC23@reddit
Traveling is awesome. Went to Ireland in March over St Patrick's Day, and it was incredible. The only issue I had was simply that I wasn't there long enough. I was only there for effectively 5 days, and I knew going in that it was a place you need to be for longer (family who are from there/been there say at least 2 weeks).
I'd love to travel there again, as well as other places in Europe (I'm a Kingdom Come Deliverance fan so would love to see the Czech Republic), but idk if I'd ever want to settle outside the US. I got a little bit of that with Ireland, but now a month later, it was obviously a bit of a honeymoon effect rather than something I'd actually want.
venus_arises@reddit
I'm an immigrant. For me, the US was always the endpoint. As much as I'd love to settle into a villa in Tucson or Santorini and eat delicious food and swim in the sea, this is where I wanted to be.
Eihe3939@reddit
Where are you from?
Ok-Race-1677@reddit
Not really lol. Europeans think we envy them as much as they do us.
Eihe3939@reddit
Almost no Europeans envy the US lol. Maybe 30-40 years ago.
TheNarrator5@reddit
Why exclude Japan? Far fewer Americans dream of Japan than the average Dutch country
Eihe3939@reddit
Not on Reddit
Troutmandoo@reddit
I travel a lot and dream of travelling more. I could see myself settling down and retiring in Europe somewhere, but I’m never going to have the money for that.
GhostsInTheAttic@reddit
I personally dream of living in Denmark, Norway, or Finland. I'll take whichever one will take me.
Notdustinonreddit@reddit
I think it’s kind of seen as grand adventure, not economic success. But yeah- it’s not uncommon.
majikane@reddit
I didn’t use to but I sure do now.
Even-Fun8917@reddit
My mom dreams of living in New Zealand with her husband and I sometimes wish I was living in London or The Netherlands. Absolutely it happens
Sylent09@reddit
In short, yes. But even more so in recent years for obvious reasons. If I had the ability I'd relocate my entire family to Canada, UK, honestly pretty much anywhere in Western or Central Europe. Basically anywhere with good public transportation and universal healthcare (or at least reasonably priced healthcare). A good education system for my son would be a huge plus. I currently live in red state hell (suburbs in Tennessee). So just being around people that don't say idiotic things like "the KKK is a charity organization, and has never been based on hate" or "I'm a Christian and I love all God's people... but Muslims, gays, and trans ain't people"... both are actual quotes i have heard within the last 6 months. So being around people who actually think and have more than 2 brain cells would be a refreshing change of pace.
rockettaco37@reddit
I'd say a lot dream of traveling. Maybe not so much settling
FolsgaardSE@reddit
Germany, Ireland, South Korea are my top 3
Do people still want to move here? Seems a century to late for that "American Dream".
goodbye_rubytuesday@reddit
(Mixed, 35F) I'm perfectly happy where I am in the urban South. Travel for work and leisure is a reality I deal with to make other people happy but I don't like how it disrupts my routine and, living in such a diverse area, travel honestly doesn't add much to my life.
If I had to leave the country for a longer stretch, I'd hope to go somewhere in Latin America - as an ethnically ambiguous person I feel so much more at ease in the Americas than I do anywhere else and don't handle the cold well.
rm45acp@reddit
Sure I dream of traveling internationally, but I think you'll find on average there are less people in the USA that are as committed to international travel compared to other, smaller countries. I could get on a plane and fly to a rainforest, a desert,an arctic tundra, a swampland, any number of humongous metropolitan cities or quaint small towns without ever leaving the country or getting a passport.
I have no interest in settling abroad
jvc1011@reddit
Sure. I have friends who just retired to France after a lifetime of dreaming of it. My parents live abroad and are looking to retire in a third country (not the US or their current country).
I have a cousin who lives half-time in Costa Rica and a brother who lives half-time in Nicaragua.
People do it all the time.
APigInANixonMask@reddit
Despite everything going on and the bleak future going forward, I still love living in the US. The only other country I could ever see myself living in is Canada.
Wild_Ad8493@reddit
i had to dip to spain cuz shii be too expensive now in the us lol
spain fire tho
CriticalReturn3507@reddit
I enjoy traveling. At the same time I do enjoy the privilege of being from the United States, and wish to stay.
mcaffrey@reddit
The USA has a lot of flaws, but economically there aren’t other places with as much opportunity.
So if your “dreams” involve anything about getting more money than you currently have, then the U.S. is probably where you want to go.
Politically we’re a garbage fire right now, and if you are a minority or trans you’re going to face some prejudice, but even with those obstacles the U.S. still has a lot of options for you because our country is just so damn large and its relatively easy to relocate within the country if you need to try something else. Much easier than emigrating somewhere that will let you work and buy property (lots of places are super restrictive about foreigners doing that).
Most people who emigrate already have family and/or citizenship in another country, or are wealthy enough that economic opportunity is not what drives them.
ThePainStalker@reddit
It’s not just the money or even the income taxes as well, it’s the investment climate and taxation. Believe me, Americans would have a heart attack if they saw how Ireland taxes investments (38% tax on unrealised ETF gains with NO loss offsetting!, no tax advantaged investment savings account option, extremely poor savings deposit rates that are taxed at 33% too, 33% CGT on stocks with almost no tax free exemption). That alone would push anyone ambitious away from here, not a chance of anyone becoming financially independent here without being born in a rich family. Hell, there’s much of a chance anyone could even save for retirement here with all these barbaric taxes.
sacrelicio@reddit
You can have close to the same standard of living and politics as the EU or Canada just by moving to a blue state.
Apprehensive_Deer087@reddit
I’d argue far better in some states
Horzzo@reddit
I lived in Europe while in the military and I always wanted to live in Germany again.
Apprehensive_Fall233@reddit
I love to travel abroad and dream of retiring in another country, the US just makes it tricky as we still have to pay taxes if we don’t live/work in the states and can’t give up our citizenship without paying penalties. This makes it hard for sure. Also most of us will require Social Security and Medicaid and that makes living abroad tricky
eyelikturtles@reddit
Traveling? Absolutely. I’ve been able to visit a handful of countries on work trips and have loved it (mostly- Saudi Arabia is really hot in July haha). But I wouldn’t want to move anywhere else permanently.
missninazenik@reddit
Absolutely I dream about getting out of here.
Federal-Ad-6597@reddit
Yes. I have friends who have done it.
blurrysasquatch@reddit
Traveling sure, but I could never settle anywhere except the US. I don't think I would fit in anywhere else, sure it might be fun for awhile but eventually I would need to come back to the states.
TheBimpo@reddit
We are a very big country. I am certain that there are some people that do this. Is it a common occurrence, where an individual would know many people who wish to live abroad? No. I don’t really know anybody who’s planning to leave the country. As it turns out, it’s extremely difficult and very expensive.
Final-Elderberry9162@reddit
We’re looking into moving to the UK right now. There are a lot of hurdles, but we’re putting out feelers.
Whole_Tomatillo7186@reddit
Where you looking at? Regions, cities
Final-Elderberry9162@reddit
It depends on employment offers.
Educational-Big-6609@reddit
Plenty do, most do not. It’s a big country.
Ok_Orchid1004@reddit
I don’t dream of travel or relocation to any other countries. I do like to travel internationally but there is also plenty to see and do in America.
shammy_dammy@reddit
Yes.
This-Reindeer6063@reddit
I would like to visit other countries. But it's not like an all consuming dream. Some have reasons for the culture, some for landmarks, some because my family was from there at some point years before.
Premium333@reddit
Yes. Many do every version from short vacations all the way to permanent relocation.
I don't dream of moving permanently, but I do dream of being able to travel again.
Its been decades.
Digital_Punk@reddit
I dream of moving to Scotland all the time. New Zealand, Ireland, and Iceland as well.
IconoclastExplosive@reddit
I'd love to travel abroad. Hell I'd love to travel domestically. I'd never live anywhere else, I don't know that anywhere else would put up with me
Saltwater_Heart@reddit
I would like to travel but I would never live outside of the US.
No_Patience_6801@reddit
Not anymore.
Major-Assumption539@reddit
I enjoy traveling and seeing the world and hell I might be willing to live in another country for a year or two but really America is my home. I was born on this soil and I intend to die here too.
TravelingPeter@reddit
I dream of retiring abroad but my wife won’t go if there’s a language barrier.
Crazynoob159Shutdown@reddit
I’ve travelled internationally but it doesn’t particularly interest me
I much prefer it here in America and would certainly never live anywhere else
mdw2379@reddit
I think every American I have ever met has wanted to travel abroad but for most it is just so expensive. I will say over the past decade or so I have seen a huge rise in people wanting to live abroad as well.
boodyclap@reddit
Ive been thinking of teaching English in china and or Vietnam for a while now, in the process of getting my tefl certificate and hopefully living abroad for at least a year if not longer
DGlen@reddit
Traveling, yes. Settling not as much.
Weilerbach@reddit
Of course some do. There are many, many Americans who live outside the US. Western Europe is a popular destination (but there are many others)
SippsMccree@reddit
Personally i'll always live in the US. Visiting other places would be fun but I wouldnt want to live elsewhere tbh
oldfartjr@reddit
Usually not unless they’re super close to family who still live in “the old country”.
Or they’re a celebrity that isn’t getting enough publicity
The12th_secret_spice@reddit
Settling, none. Despite current news, there’s a lot of benefits being an American citizen.
Traveling, definitely. I wouldn’t mind staying in another country for a few months at a time. One day, when the budget allows, I’ll do it
Nightcalm@reddit
No not really, I might visit for a month or so but my home is here in the US.
VellaBellaa@reddit
I did, then I moved abroad, settled down, and started a family. I don’t see myself moving back to the US unless it would be to take care of my aging parents
Sensitive-Chemical83@reddit
Yes. But they're frequently the ones who haven't ever actually travelled extensively.
As an American, I don't think America is the best country in the world to live in. BUT it's still near the top. And I've clawed out a reasonable middle class life for myself here.
I could move to another country that I think is better like Norway or Switzerland or something like that. (Personally I think Switzerland might be the best country in the world to live in.) But that comes with the fun of not speaking the language and resultantly being significantly less competitive in the job market. Which means significant decrease in my earning potential. Which means I'm likely going to be "one of the poors" if I try to set up a new life in a "better" country.
And I'd rather be middle class at home than a poor in a foreign land.
Lemon-Leaf-10@reddit
Sometimes I wonder about moving to a different part of the US. We don’t need to move to a different country to go to a completely new environment.
Eubank31@reddit
I don't think it's common but I definitely do
I'm realistic though, other places wouldn't really be "home" to me and I know they'd miss a lot of things I take for granted. But I also prefer a lot of the infrastructure and public investment decisions that other countries have made
JackYoMeme@reddit
Some of us, especially over these last 10 years.
-Houston@reddit
Yes but specifically for retirement, not working age. Mostly for adventure, I do like my current life in the US so it’s not out of anything negative.
kessykris@reddit
Yeah Norway because my grandma is from there is on the top of my list. Def have others though!
hawffield@reddit
I wouldn’t mind traveling to different places. My fiancée and I have talked about international trips we want to take when we are a little more established. We, however, wouldn’t want to live internationally. We’ve both done it for a few years and it really helps highlight where our values lie.
RevolutionaryDog8372@reddit
Until recently America ruled and had lots of choices of where to live.
Quirky_Commission_56@reddit
Mexico or Canada. I’ve been to both. And they both have universal healthcare. I’d need to seriously brush up on my Spanish though, because it’s too frigging cold in Canada for me.
Independent-Wolf-832@reddit
I’d like to travel to other countries but no desire to move out of the U.S. I wasn’t aware Americans were moving to Japan. A lot of my older colleagues are planning on moving to Mexico in retirement.
xSparkShark@reddit
I think it would be really cool to live somewhere else for a period, but my friends and family are here in the US. Plus I’m unlikely to find similar economic opportunity elsewhere, so not much practical point.
I do travel abroad relatively frequently, I think most Americans gravitate towards Europe for sightseeing and the Caribbean for chill on the beach type vacations.
cwcam86@reddit
I wouldn't mind checking out Canada.
ramblinjd@reddit
My wife and I dream of becoming professors where we can either take our summers abroad or maybe do rotations at a European university.
I don't think either of us wants to cut ties with the US completely (mostly because of our friends and family but also the access to beautiful places like Hawaii and Southern California and South Florida and stuff), but we do want to be meaningfully integrated into Europe as well.
LeafyWolf@reddit
I'm working on moving to the EU at some point...for a couple of years at least. Being train travel away from amazing cultural centers throughout Europe is my primary drive. That and the pace of living there has gotten more attractive as I've gotten older.
Longjumping-Prize857@reddit
As an American from California I would say yes. I've actually been to like 2 foreign countries in my life but I've always wanted to go to more. I know you said that Japan is excluded but that is one place where I've always wanted to go. I actually had a friend who went there years ago and liked it. I've also wanted to go to different parts of Europe. Supposedly I'll be going there soon but hopefully our plans don't change.
Sammakko660@reddit
Oh there are so many places both in the US and overseas that I want to be a tourist in.
There are probably more than a few houses/pet sitting sites where people can go places and live in someone's house for several weeks. My mother has had good luck with this.
But still on my wish list: Australia, New Zealand, China would be interesting, but I think that I would want to do a tour due to language.
Living. If I could Sweden, wouldn't mind living in Germany again and Scotland
Equivalent-Pin-4759@reddit
L'ho dal mio primo viaggio in Italia.
voltairesalias@reddit
Every single election yields a lot of people who threaten to move to Canada. Almost none of them actually do.
I agree with other responders on this topic, Canada gets a very idealized vision particularly among American Liberals. Canada is often seen as a kinder, gentler, more Liberal version of the US I think in their eyes. But really - Canada also has a lot of Conservatives, the cost of living tends to be a lot higher, and the job opportunities less plentiful. When real life presents itself after the fantasy of political idealism, AND when a lot of folks realize you actually have to follow an immigration process to migrate to Canada, I think most back away.
Left-Consequence-976@reddit
Yes to traveling abroad. Dreamed of it for ages, then have finally been in a place financially to actually do it last 3-4 years.
I’ve looked into the possibility of living in Czechia, Romania, Austria, and Germany, but don’t have a way to meet the residency requirements.
Jcamp9000@reddit
Scotland but I’ve now visited. I went for two weeks and that was not long enough. It’s the most beautiful country I’ve ever seen.
Additional_Low8050@reddit
I’m never leaving Texas, but I go to Mexico at least once a month. It’s like a theme park to us! My sister gets her husbands medication over there as it’s less than $100 & it’s over $1000 here with insurance!
pit_of_despair666@reddit
Yes. I would love to live in Ireland especially. I went there in the 2000's and it was like being in a fairy tale. I hope I get the chance to visit Europe again. I would also like to travel to British Columbia and New Zealand.
yokoyokogirl@reddit
I did. I wanted to be like Anthony Bourdain and travel the world, eating my way through it. But I ended up in Japan 😆
B_O_A_H@reddit
Settling? Likely not, but I’d love to take an extended stay western Europe, spend a month in most countries or so, see what the cultures are like. I’d like to do a “reverse pilgrimage”, where I leave the states to visit the earliest traceable places my ancestors lived before coming stateside. I’ve found several places thanks to Ancestry.
TheDude-Esquire@reddit
For those that can afford travel, the us is usually a great place to live.
Nofanta@reddit
Dream is a word we would use to describe something unrealistic. An American can travel anywhere pretty easily and those that are interested do.
Fluid_Anywhere_7015@reddit
Yep. If I win the lottery it's off to somewhere in rural Ireland for me - maybe somewhere in Connemara or Cork. Dublin, while fun as hell, has a definitely younger vibe - and at this point in life I'm all about fecking off and being left the hell alone. I also, some say masochistically, don't mind the weather. I like to be surprised by it.
Realistically, we're thinking of selling off the paid-off house, and moving somewhere even more rural that where we live right now. The wife and I are both not great big fans of the rest of humanity.
GurProfessional9534@reddit
Personally, no. I’m happiest within a 3 ft radius of my computer.
yuukosbooty@reddit
I have countries that I’d kind of like to go to sometime. Besides Japan some of the ones on my bucket list are India, Australia, Ireland and Thailand. They just seem cool. I’d also like to visit Rome again now that I’m actually Catholic and not an agnostic teenager on a singing tour
Endy0816@reddit
Traveling yes.
Thinking of retiring outside the US, but who knows what life will look like in a couple decades.
gmanose@reddit
I’m gonna stick my neck out and say not really.
Novel_Willingness721@reddit
My parents spent the better part of 30 years traveling the world. They’ve put feet on every continent including Antarctica. They have a map with pushpins in their office indicating what countries they’ve visited.
Personally I’ve only touched 3 continents other than North America: Europe, Asia and Africa.
I want to do more.
General_Security177@reddit
I would live in Australia if I had to choose. It’s the only country I could see myself settle in (excluding the US) out of all the countries I’ve been too.
Jacob_Soda@reddit
Usually no, but I saw a news segment on CBS Sunday Morning News many retirees are considering moving abroad. My parents included.
I would live abroad if the salary is good and I can market my skills.
Bulocoo@reddit
I was raised in Australia for 10 years. 5 of my 6 siblings went back and settled. My career was US based and my kid is here.
I considered going back in retirement but actually the USA isn't bad if you don't have to work and can live where you want.
My wife is Colombian. I we could live a lot cheaper there but America is so damned advanced. We split our time and have a condo there. She spends like 9 months there and I spend like 4.
humanofearth-notai@reddit
Yes, but travel and making foreign friends can really help you appreciate your own home.
I always loved the idea of living in Belgium. The taxes seemed reasonable for the services... Until my body talked about their supplementary health insurance because the government one wasn't good enough.
I also used to fantasize about Canada until my Canadian friends hit me with the cost of living reality.
cryptoengineer@reddit
I grew up as an expat - lived in 5 European countries over 14 years, visited over 30.
It was fun. I'm now retired. I do travel, and I'd like to add the South Seas, NZ and AUS to my list, as well as Japan, but the only thing that would make me move is if Trumpland goes full fascist and cancels elections.
WeezaY5000@reddit
I have lived in 6 other countries and my quality of life and happiness was better in all of them...except for my actual job...
I am burnt out of k-12 international teaching.
If/once I am able to do to figure out whay to do to get an income that will allow me back overseas, I will do it in a heartbeat.
typetiming@reddit
i would buy a house that i go to temporarily in south africa but i would def still live in the us
FarFarAway7337@reddit
Yes. I'm well-traveled and have lived abroad. .
Communal-Lipstick@reddit
Just like other countries , some do and some don't.
McFlyyouBojo@reddit
Yeah absolutely. As a kid I used to look at the pictures in a National Geographic magazine and imagine what life would be like living in those places. I love cold weather and I wish that I lived in some northern European town. Although im sure they probably wouldnt want me to move there so I'll settle with watching 15 hour long videos of a train traveling across snow covered towns and around mountains and whatnot while looking at the architecture and alien landscapes and dream about what its like.
I mean, sure, America is America and all, but also, America is, you know, America.
count_the_7th@reddit
Dream of travelling, yes. Dream of settling, hell no. America isn't a perfect country, but after traveling through Europe and SEA I can't imagine permanently living anywhere else. Where else can I freely collect guns and standby things, criticize whoever I want without fear of getting thrown in jail, and tell the feds to get the fuck off my property until they have a warrant? Nowhere else I've been, I can tell you that.
kinnikinnick321@reddit
Not quite sure about the question, millions of Americans have traveled abroad and have a passion for it. The US also has many who've become expats elsewhere due to their career.
Odd-Bullfrog7763@reddit
I plan on retiring in Mexico. The cost of living, climate, culture.
vanillablue_@reddit
No, I don’t think so, not on a broad scale. Remember, most Americans don’t even speak a second language… it would be too challenging for most of us to expatriate IMO.
Traditional_Trust418@reddit
If our country turns into a horror show like The Handmaid's Tale I'm fleeing to Canada or Switzerland. I have a little bit of Canadian ancestry on my dad's side and some extended family that live in Switzerland so hopefully one of them will take me in and grant me some form of citizenship.
They're both gay friendly as far as countries go and beautiful. But I'd only move if it gets way worse
Smooth_Monkey69420@reddit
I’d love to travel, but I don’t think I’d ever move permanently out of the USA
Saltpork545@reddit
I want to travel to the Eibar region of Spain, Chernobyl(outside of wartime), and specific Balkan countries. A cruise ping ponging on the Adriatic sea is a bucket list thing for me. I don't have a ton of interest in Italy, but Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia I am interested in. I would also like to visit Czechia.
That's all of the international travel I'm interested in at this point in my life.
DivineMatrixTraveler@reddit
I'm an American who lived in Germany for 6.25 years and Spain for 3.5 years. I recently moved back to the States for work and would love to move back to either country again or somewhere else in Europe in the future. Public healthcare, public transportation, and 30 vacation days per year are so amazing and I'm really missing them.
SaltyEngineer45@reddit
I’m sure some do. Traveling abroad is fun. I wouldn’t consider settling in another country though.
Vegetable_Trash9074@reddit
I was lucky enough to live abroad for a few years, but that is rare in the US. I would love to live abroad, but family ties keep me here. In my experience, Americans who live abroad are either rich expats, or poorer older people who need to stretch their retirement income so they move to a cheaper country. And then annoy the locals. :)
Lady-Kat1969@reddit
I’ve been dreaming of moving for literally decades. Canada, Ireland, and Scotland are at the top of my list, but despite my lack of foreign language skills, I wouldn’t mind living in Sweden, Norway, Finland, France, or Italy. For those last two, I’d prefer somewhere in the mountains where they get snow in the winter. Although I wouldn’t turn down a chateau in the Loire Valley if someone gave me one!
bitterlittlecas@reddit
I would love to move to the uk!
Tricky421@reddit
Sometimes I do. A more peaceful country would be nice.
imuniqueaf@reddit
Do 300 million people all feel the same way about something?
Duque_de_Osuna@reddit
When I was in college and for a while after I really wanted to settle in Europe. Specifically Spain. But it never happened. I am trying to get Italian citizenship now so that I can retire to lower cost of living area if either Spain or Italy and have all the benefits of citizenship.
goat-of-mendes@reddit
I’ve been to a few places I’d consider living. Singapore and Greece are the top two. There are many places I’d like to travel in the world, but my current reality won’t permit that.
Roadhouse699@reddit
Truthfully, I think I'm too stubborn to live in any other country.
BlatantDisregard42@reddit
I do, my wife does not. Or rather, she will never move that far away from her family no matter how much she would like to live abroad. Her parents have visited us a combined total of 3 times in the 13 or so years since we move out of state, so I don’t really think it matters if we’re a 3-hour flight or a 13-hour flight away. But I’m probably not going to win that argument.
Penis-Dance@reddit
Yes, I would like to move out of the USA.
TankDestroyerSarg@reddit
A lot of us dream of visiting, maybe even permanently moving to, another country. For many, it's going to the home country or somewhere famously beautiful (like Italy), and for others it's about learning or doing something you normally wouldn't/couldn't in some far off exotic place.
hopper_froggo@reddit
I feel like moving to a european country with cheaper healthcare is a common fantasy amongst some Americans, ie Ireland, Spain, Italy.
Frequent-Froyo-5483@reddit
I love traveling and definitely dream of all of the places I want to visit. However, home is home, and I don’t want to live anywhere else. My state (Alaska) is a dream vacation destination for a lot of people. I lived in England, France, and several US states as a child, but Alaska is home.
guppie-beth@reddit
Many Americans dream of moving abroad when they are already fairly successful or to retire. Not many Americans think of moving overseas to “make it” as young adults.
Necro138@reddit
I dream of owning a European castle, standing on the ramparts, and telling door-to-door salesmen, "We already got one. It's verrrry nice"
akunis@reddit
Honestly, I’d take anywhere that will take me.
gard3nwitch@reddit
Sure. Lots of Americans have romantic dreams of living somewhere faraway and exotic. Or of living somewhere where there's more of a social safety net.
NectarinePersonal974@reddit
As someone who has lived abroad for 3 years now, I love this question.
Many Americans dream of a Euro vacation, "I have to visit Europe at least once in my life" and now increasingly the other continents as well, but for most Anericans that's it.
For some Americans, they will complain about the US and idolise XYZ, but in the end they 1. Generally do not know the language 2. There family, friends, and life are in the US, and so the thought ends there.
A very very small subsect of the population will actually look into the practicality of living abroad, and even fewer will take any action towards it.
At the end of the day, the Americans who have the ability to move are generally the ones who have the most to lose by moving (salary and career progression) and so very few people actually ever actually emigrate.
An observation I have had while living abroad and meeting people from all over the world is that nearly everyone has an opinion on whether or not they would live in the USA (even if the opinion is a responding no) whereas few Americans have ever even considered living anywhere else but the USA.
rdubmu@reddit
I would love to live in Japan
mcalesy@reddit
Only lately…
LA_Nail_Clippers@reddit
When I was younger, I dreamed of traveling all over Europe to visit the places where history was. I'm from California, so something over 150 years is really old! Traveling to the east coast, you might come across something that's 250 to 300 years old!
But in Europe? 1000 years old is possible.
Now that I am older, I have been able to do some of that traveling, and want to do it more, but I also have dreams of leaving what this country has become in the last ~25 years. My wife and I are barely reaching the quality of life of our parents generation's mid 30s in our mid 40s, and I fear my kids' lives will be even more of a struggle to obtain the basics of a career, stable housing, enough access to income/healthcare/food/infrastructure to feel safe and have an enjoyable life.
As for where to move to? I have no idea. We have some extended family in Canada, and some good friends who emigrated to the UK about a decade ago. Both places have draws for us, but also would have their own set of issues. In particular, in the last decade it seems like a lot of the UK's institutions have started a similar slide as US ones have.
Frankly if I were rich enough, I'd just travel a lot, living in places 3-6 months at a time and exploring. Hard to decide where to settle when I haven't seen enough.
mouses555@reddit
I’ve lived and worked in Ireland for a while (US company so was sent over there for months at a time)
I could def live there part of the time but settling there I’m not quite sure.
squidthief@reddit
I would like to live in a safe city one day. How cool would it be to travel at night as a tiny woman and not be afraid of crazy homeless people on the subway? Can’t do that in NYC though. I’d have to go to Seoul.
jakizely@reddit
I think one of the great things about the US is just how diverse it is. You can travel to another part of the US and it's almost like visiting another country, but you don't have to worry about a visa, currency, or language. I think the biggest difference is probably Hawaii, but that's because it's so disconnected from the mainland. A second would be any super rural area, like West Virginia or Wyoming. Even in parts of Virginia, it sometimes felt like people were speaking a different language with how thick the accents could get.
Frenchitwist@reddit
No not widely.
Not to sound arrogant, but ain’t nothing out there like the American dream, cause if there was, my American ass would know about it
EllieIsDone@reddit
Always have. But the urge to move out is becoming stronger everyday. And
JeffurryS@reddit
Before we met my partner had lived in France twice and I lived in the UK for 2-1/2 years. We're glad we did it but we ended up liking the countries just a little bit less than we had before we had turned our fantasies into reality. We're glad we did it when we were younger, but we're happy to live in New York now.
DesperateDon244@reddit
Yes, because America is getting increasingly shitty.
bird_boy8@reddit
The US is really large, so often we can move to another state to get what we're desiring and missing in our current one. I dreamt of moving to Europe (Netherlands mostly) as a teenager, but I ended up just moving to a very blue state. It's not exactly the same but the barrier to doing so was very low and I've gotten most of what I was hoping for a someone who felt unsafe as a minority where I grew up. There's enough difference between states here, politically, economically, and environmentally that most will just do that. I can't imagine as a disabled person with barely any money that it would be easy for me to get a citizenship and home in a nice country that easily, but I just needed a plane ticket and some roommates to do it here.
I would love to travel, though, if that was ever an option for me financially. I would love to visit the countryside of Ireland where my family came from. In terms of beautiful landscapes, though, the United States has so many... It'd be a huge task to visit them all, so there's also little incentive to travel abroad when all I need is a car, tent, and money for gas and campsite reservations in order to see most of it.
Misterarthuragain@reddit
Sure. I'd love to live in Switzerland.
Foreign_Worry5820@reddit
I dream about it, but I don't think I would ever do it. This is my home. My friends and family are here. I don't think I could ever leave... but I think about it constantly.
Any_Ad_3968@reddit
Im from Maryland lived in Georgia and Florida. Yes I always dreamed of leaving the states. The quality of life isn’t what I needed. I moved to Brazil and loved it for a time but I didn’t like their brand of government bureaucracy. Starting over in Europe soon
raspberryswirl2021@reddit
Not sure anyone dreams of here anymore…
yualwaysleaveanote@reddit
I wouldn’t say “dream,” but I often wondered growing up what it would be like to study abroad or travel extensively. Now that I am older, my spouse and I are giving that to my daughter by living in the EU for a portion of her childhood. We will weigh our options whether or not to return to the US.
beastwood6@reddit
Some do and for some the answer changes as time goes on. Younger people will have a greater thirst and logistical independence to work or travel abroad. It's hard to move your whole family to Italy or something
onlyreason4u@reddit
I travel internationally. I always enjoy myself but after about 2-3 weeks I'm ready to come home. The variety of choices we have with foid and everything, the general friendliness, ice water for free everywhere, the minor conveniences we have, the fact that we have landscaping and not fields of weeds, the housing and extra space and privacy that goes with it, A/C, sleeping in my own bed... it all sort of adds up.
I have no desire to live overseas at the moment. My life is here. I'd ultimately take a huge pay cut leaving and it could be extremely expensive and a hassle. That said Trump is damaging the country in ways that have me seriously planning out exit plans if it comes to it and I no longer see a future. My kids have dual US/EU citizenship via my wife so as minors I could piggyback off them. I may have a route to claiming Canadian citizenship for myself/kids.
Spirited_Season2332@reddit
Traveling? Yea. I want to hit up Europe one day but it's hard to find anyone else interested in Europe lol
WellityWellityWelity@reddit
Who dreams of moving to America. I think it's probably only people who have family members living there.
Seripham@reddit
My dream has been and is to visit a different city across the world for a few weeks at a time, based on interest and ease of communication for me and my family. This puts English speaking or largely English fluent areas above others.
As for moving, I don't think my wife would want to be anywhere where English is the dominant language. She has said Ireland is possible for her.
I however am a big linguistics guy and even if it was hard wouldn't mind learning a new language if I had to.
And while you did exclude it, Japan is near the top of my list 😂
Revolutionary_Tale_1@reddit
Current US resident, but it is my hope/dream to travel to central or south America and spend the remainder of my days there.
nittanyyinzer@reddit
Travel has never been more desirable, popular, or accessible as it is today. A large portion of Americans have that desire. Settling abroad though? Probably less than 1%.
ssinff@reddit
Do and am. Got a job overseas, moving this summer.
getElephantById@reddit
I used to dream about living in other countries, but the reality is that my life is here. My family, my friends. All my stuff. It's fine to visit, but I'm pretty happy where I am right now.
To be honest, most of the people I hear who talk about moving to another country are doing it to make a statement. Essentially, it's: I dislike some element of contemporary life (usually politics) a great deal. To me it usually sounds like a kid threatening to run away from home to teach his parents a lesson ("they'll be so sad when I'm gone!"). Relatively few people go through with it, but some do, and I wish them luck and happiness.
Pizastre@reddit
yes to both
largos7289@reddit
Travel yes, settling i don't think so. It would be too much of a culture shock. We would constantly be, well that's not how we do it in the US. Plus we realize we would be really annoying to deal with about that LOL.
jc8495@reddit
I’d like to travel but this is home. I studied abroad in college and while I loved it, there are differences there that made me really miss home.
Big one: why is there no cold water in Europe? Restaurants give you like one shot glass of room temp water and it just does not work for me. I need a huge glass of ice water with all my meals. I can tolerate it for a vacation but the rest of my life? No way
earmares@reddit
Traveling? Yes. Lots of places. Usually somewhere tropical and sandy.
Settling? Absolutely not.
BHobson13@reddit
Right now there are a lot of Americans wishing they were anywhere but the US. I personally would love to live in either Canada or Scotland.
NoMSaboutit@reddit
Absolutely! Many portions of that dream may be out of reach for many Americans, but there are places known to have American retirees, like Malta and Portugal. It costs a very large sum of money.
ShadowOfTheBean@reddit
My wife is from Peru and we have always talked about moving there for 2 years before our kids became teenagers.
We want them to know that part of their heritage, plus maybe I'll finally learn Spanish and a Peruvian passport can make traveling to some countries easier/possible.
The plan has never been to settle there permanently. Perhaps retire there, purely for financial reasons though.
Work2Tuff@reddit
I have traveled abroad at least once a year since like 2020 except for the year my mom died in 2022. I’m always has happy to get back on American soil once I’m done. I don’t dream of living anywhere else really. I’m black American so there’s literally no other place on earth that can compare to home as problematic as home is.
lucifersperfectangel@reddit
I wouldnt mind living in another country. But at the same time, my family is very close, and I would really miss being able to see them when ever.
So Alternatively, I'd love to be able to travel to countries for a few months at a time, so I can still be near my family for most of the year.
But I do get to travel relatively often. Like right now, I'm in France!
A lot of countries get romantized in books and movies, especially European ones. So it's not uncommon for people to want to want to visit them!
bcuket@reddit
yes i want to settle down in ireland, but due to the housing crisis happening there, i don't think that is possible for me...
ColumbiaWahoo@reddit
Short term travel? Yes. Moving abroad? No.
Appropriate_Copy8285@reddit
I never cared to travel abroad, nor live abroad....but here i am living and traveling abroad.
Team503@reddit
I do live abroad. Most Americans dream of traveling, almost none of us dream of moving.
SonUnforseenByFrodo@reddit
I wouldnt mind traveling abroad more but I still haven't seen all of the major sites in the USA yet. If I did travel, I would still come back and settle in the here. I have t been anywhere that was better yet. But I am curious to see more.
Proud-Delivery-621@reddit
I know lots of people (myself included) that dream of travelling and settling down somewhere else, but it's nearly always a different state, not a new country.
Upbeat-Banana-5530@reddit
I'd like to visit Poland, The UK, Germany, Canada, and maybe China if Sino-American relations ever calm down. I wouldn't live anywhere other than the US, though, there's just too many things here that I like that are hard to find anywhere else.
UnicornScientist803@reddit
I’ve done some traveling abroad and there are several countries I would love to live in. I’m currently planning to move to Germany (my boyfriend lives there), but I would also love to live in New Zealand, Ireland, or Scotland.
Shop-S-Marts@reddit
I've done alot of traveling, we still go for vacation, but no other country rivals the US for long term living
CosyBeluga@reddit
Some do. I do not
Pernicious_Possum@reddit
Why is Japan excluded? My wife and I plan on retiring in Europe. Haven’t decided which country yet. Southern France is currently in the lead
thesleepiest1one@reddit
I have been dreaming of leaving this shithole country for as long as I can remember. It’s extremely expensive, and I have conditions that essentially guarantee that I will never be approved for citizenship in many other countries, though.
min_mus@reddit
Many do, yes.
jaethegreatone@reddit
I know a lot of people who do. I traveled, settled into a different country for a few years. Loved the experience.
Antitenant@reddit
I wouldn't say I dreamed of it, like from childhood, but I was fortunate enough to live in Australia for a number of years. If the situation in the world had been different, I would've been happy to stay there longer.
More generally, places like Italy and Greece are often dream destinations for travel, not for opportunities but for the culture and environment.
_itssamna@reddit
I'm an immigrant who has lived in America for over 10 years. I travel a lot abroad, but when I start thinking about moving somewhere, I realize how much I will miss the place I live now.
NNL1988@reddit
No. We mostly dream of traveling/vacationing but rarely move abroad. There's a lot of downsides to the USA -- mostly related to government and bureaucracy -- Apart from that it is an incredible place to live. If anything we just move states to seek a different climate and lifestyle if we are looking for a change.
BoBoBearDev@reddit
As first gen immigrant, I think they are fantasizing it because they never grew up in other countries, so, they have to idea how difficult it is. I am not talking about learning the language and adapting local cultures. The money earned to pay rent/mortgages is much more disproportional in my home country.
For example, I grew up in an education system where we study calculus in high school as mandatory classes, not optional. In the meanwhile Americans debating on how math is racist.
I was failing math in my home country because it is too fast and the exams weren't even in the same difficulties. Just algebra 1 vs algebra 1, my home country would test some insanely difficult questions or so many questions I have to get the answer much sooner. I got easy A in USA in comparison.
I welcome Americans to go try it out. But I bet they just gonna be English teachers.
RedRedBettie@reddit
I definitely want to spend some extended time in other countries, like a month or two here or there. But I'd always want to come home
Adorable-Growth-6551@reddit
Yes, but why are we excluding Japan? Personally i wish i could just eat my way up from the southern tip of Africa up to well originally Japan, but we can stop in China i guess.
spicyredacted@reddit
I have a cousin who really wants to move out of the country to an Asian country to teach English. He talks about it all the time. I personally don't want to leave the US bc immigration is hard no matter where you go.
swa_daddy@reddit
Why not Japan?
Kaurifish@reddit
No, am Californian.
katarh@reddit
The only friends I have who sincerely dream of moving to another country are disabled or chronically ill people who long for a functional healthcare system. Unfortunately, their very disabilities often preclude the option of moving, since they wouldn't quality for a working visa in another country if they can't work!
At one point, my husband and I did give some more serious consideration to moving to Denmark where our skills would be valued enough to qualify us for a work visa, and we could eventually gain permanent residency or even citizenship if we learned the language and found proper jobs. Then we aged out of that program and Denmark changed its work permit laws and we were not qualified by virtue of being yuppies any more.
These days we instead dream of moving to Vermont, not another country.
InsertNovelAnswer@reddit
I travel once a year or every other. Not for months but for at least 7 days. I have a goal to spend at least 24 hrs in every State and continent.
I'm in my early 40s and have visited 3 continents (Nkrth America, Europe and Asia) and 36 states (for at least 24 hours). I've been to 8 countries. This summer I will travel to 4 more countries (Lithuania,Latvia,Estonia and Finland) on a 10 day trip.
Bcatfan08@reddit
Traveling, yes. Settling, no.
duke_awapuhi@reddit
Traveling abroad yes. Settling abroad no. I’m not leaving my country
Carolina_Hurricane@reddit
America is much like New York. New York is GREAT if you’re very wealthy. And complete shit if you’re not.
Many places in America has no culture small towns are overrun with fast food chains and Walmarts. The small businesses that offered a hometown feel (culture) have long left.
To answer your question yes, most of us Americans that can afford it love to travel somewhere else. I live to travel outside the US - every vacation is my opportunity to experience something special.
Reduak@reddit
Growing up, my daughter would sometimes fantasize about living in Paris, but it was more of a passing fancy rather than a legit "dream"
Roam1985@reddit
Traveling? Yes, but not all Americans are monoliths and many will say they want to explore all of the US first.
Settling? No. “American Exceptionalism” would not allow for a large cross section of citizens to speak of living elsewhere like it could possibly be better without social consquence.
yozaner1324@reddit
I absolutely want to travel the world and I'd really like to live abroad at least temporarily. I'm very interested by a lot of western Europe, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand.
Malibu_Equestrian@reddit
In general? Yes, I’m sure many Americans do.
Personally? No.
Born in raised in Los Angeles + travelled. As an American there’s no place I’d rather be. I have no illusions the grass is greener and I love coming home after a trip. Life is great here, despite what people say online.
Enorats@reddit
I mean, I think it'd be neat to see a real castle some day.
Other than that, no, not really. I'm good where I'm at.
Also, why are we excluding Japan?
Suppafly@reddit
Why excluding Japan? Because of weebs or what?
The0wl0ne@reddit
I’d love to travel and see other places, probably wouldn’t want to settle anywhere else though. As may problems as we have, I am still an American through and through, I don’t think I could get by anywhere else, so I’d rather work on improving my home than leaving it.
Dapper_dreams87@reddit
Prior to the last election I certainly wanted to travel to specific places, yes but I never really considered moving out of the country until well.. Everything has happened, happened. Now I am in the process of getting candianship by decent. We have spent a lot of time weighing the pros and cons of different countries
MaximumPlant@reddit
Traveling yes, settling no.
I lived in Ireland for a few months and while I would do it again I could never stay.
Moving to another region of the US is on the same level. I would consider somewhere else in New England.
Anywhere else and I'd be a stranger forever.
KingOfTheFraggles@reddit
I've always dreamed of settling in a country like Sweden or Denmark where religion is more of an afterthought with little to no authority.
Biterbutterbutt@reddit
I think it’s much more common for Americans to dream/aspire to live in another state. Generally that’s California or New York (or Florida if you’re old).
_fenwoods@reddit
For me? Yes, often. I would love to live abroad, but at this point in my life I think it’s no longer in the cards. My brother did when we were young, and I got to visit him several times.
PatientTheory9260@reddit
Lovw to travel, and dream about where I'll travel to next. Do dream about being able to take a job overseas in like western Europe and and living there for a few years doing that.
Don't think I could ever permanently settle outside the US though.
sacrelicio@reddit
A lot of liberal Americans threaten to move whenever a Republican wins the presidency but they seldom do. Especially since other developed countries won't accept that as a reason for migration.
phantomsteel@reddit
I'd like to buy a truck in Australia and drive around camping for 6 months to a year then sell it before coming back.
CG20370417@reddit
I grew up all over the US: PNW, Chicagoland, Bos-Wash corridor, Texas, CA, Florida, Ohio, Arizona...
In my 20s I got to live outside the US in Europe for a bit through work.
I would 100% do it again, I would 100% not do it without independent (retirement) wealth or a corporate expense account.
I make enough to live a comfortable life in the US and to travel to the places in the world I want to be every couple of years (or well, I could, before I had a kid). To have a similar lifestyle, from a material sense, in Europe, I would need to be an order of magnitude more successful in my career.
I can afford a house, a kid, my wife to stay home (I mean she will go back to work when our kids aren't babies), two cars...my colleagues in Europe? At best they are in a duplex, if not then a proper flat and its like seemingly 1500sqft at best. Theyve got 1 car and outside of going to restaurants to eat never seem to have discretionary spending money.
nevercursd@reddit
I'm constantly dreaming of traveling abroad.
In a perfect world, I'd get (juris sanguinis) Italian citizenship and move to Italy.
But I also fantasize about living in conflict-free Beirut, which is obviously never going to happen.
FROG123076@reddit
I would love to move back to Europe. I would love to live in the English County side.
darwinsidiotcousin@reddit
I dream of traveling to plenty of places and try to get to those countries as often as I can manage.
Right now I wouldn't be in a rush to move to another country, mostly just because my wife and I already live across the country from our families and it's hard to find time to see them. But if I was retired or worked fully remote there are a number of countries where I think about living
Stunning-Pick-9504@reddit
I use to want to retire in the Philippines until I took a month long trip there. I’ll retire in the US.
1sinfutureking@reddit
A lot of Americans dream of traveling. Some Americans dream of emigrating, but it’s usually more along the lines of wishing they could retire to somewhere in Europe.
Derwin0@reddit
All the weebs dream of it, imagining Japan is like the Anime they watch.
StarryEyedSparkle@reddit
I think there are cultural aspects to consider too since we’re a melting pot. I’m American-born with parents who immigrated to the US as war refugees nearly a decade before I was born. I took my first airplane trip when I was six months old and traveled a lot with my family growing up, and I watched family travel a lot to their origin country to visit family that stayed behind.
I myself ended up with a spouse who has traveled more than me and lived abroad for 8 years. My entire in-laws family travel abroad at least once a year in their respective families.
I used to find those who didn’t want to travel internationally as surprising in my American experience. But I did find that I was atypical for the amount of travel I had done that was just for fun and not associated with being a military kid nor missionary kid.
Quartia@reddit
I've always wanted to move to a third-world country because I expect that it's a lot easier to have a fulfilling life. I know I am in the tiny minority in this.
Disastrous_Ant5657@reddit
It's not so much a dream as that there are other countries where people generally get a better deal. Universal Healthcare and all that
Chickstan33@reddit
I would love to live in France. It's such a beautiful country, and I enjoyed the cuisine, culture, and people when I visited twice.
jordandavila88@reddit
I think I’m in the clear minority here, but I’ve lived outside of the US before, and after 10 years of being back in Texas I’m itching to move back abroad… most people I know here never plan on leaving the metro…
dover_oxide@reddit
I have in the past and still currently considering moving to Canada or New Zealand when I retire
SirTheRealist@reddit
I've done some traveling, and I want to do more, but I have no desire to live anywhere other than the US.
peabody_soul109@reddit
No
Itisthatbo1@reddit
I definitely don’t want to spend my entire life living in the same country, but the realistic part is that I don’t think it’ll ever happen, I’m not what you’d call a desirable person.
ne-ti@reddit
Not quite sure about living abroad, not per day uncommon but not very common. But traveling yes. I feel like people do get stuck in the trap of taking their life for granted and just fantasizing how better other places in the world are lol
The49GiantWarriors@reddit
A significant number of Americans would permanently move abroad if given the opportunity to do so. This is especially true of younger American women--40% say they would permanently leave the US.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/697382/record-numbers-younger-women-leave.aspx
Ok-Ad8998@reddit
Traveling, yes. Settling, no. I like the vibe in Canada and would consider settling there (for example), but I prefer warm climates.
Salty_Permit4437@reddit
I like to travel, but I’m not sure I would want to live elsewhere unless I didn’t have to earn income anymore. Earning potential here is still higher than most of the world for me.
adultdaycare81@reddit
Traveling to, absolutely. Retiring to, maybe.
But it’s more of aspiring to or dreaming of settling in one of the cities where things are moving fastest like NYC, San Fran
Traditional-Ad-8737@reddit
I feel you need to visit the subreddit AmerExit. Granted, I don’t know what percentage this constitutes of the American population. I’m on the edge myself. I have a job that would qualify as a needed job, and my European passport by descent will hopefully be approved. I’d love to move to a Scandinavian country or Germany but I have 2 kids and live in a purplish blue state; kids don’t want to move and like their (very good) school, I make a good salary here, my husband would be unemployed if we move, no one speaks a second language etc etc. So, I will wait to I retire. In the meantime, plot and scheme, save money, learn one/some languages, research… I’ve been finding that the grass is not always greener anyway. Every place has pluses and minus. Maybe in retirement I can live 3-6 month in each place that interests me to “feel it out”
bulletPoint@reddit
I immigrated to the US as a child. I always wanted to “get back out there” and worked towards that. After starting my professional career, I’ve lived in Asia, The middle east, and Europe. I lived one to two years in multiple cities in each. All for work.
I would always romanticize living and working abroad. Vacations in foreign countries create a notional environment understanding of life that is often divorced from reality.
When I moved abroad I quickly learned that there are upsides compared to living in the US, but those upsides only exist because of an American salary. Things and labor are “cheap” by comparison.
I have friends in the military, govt agencies, and public sector-adjacent jobs who have a rosier outlook but that’s because that type of work, role, and assignment keeps you even more insular from the reality there.
Having worked with businesses there, I don’t see the upsides for an unestablished local in those locations. I wouldn’t never be a corporate zen of Spain and achieve half the life I lead here, nor would I live as peacefully.
I wouldn’t want my kids to be raised there, the thought of my kids being anything other than “American” when living there or growing up there makes me nervous.
To be more specific: when I was living abroad, I couldn’t stand the work culture (highly insular, very hostile), I couldn’t stand rampant credentialism, I despised being treated as a wage slave. In many of these countries, high earners are seen as “owned by their bosses”. Maybe that’s true for low earners as well (that’s worse) and maybe that’s not the case with everyone everywhere - but that’s my experience.
I don’t romanticize living abroad anymore. Thank you for indulging my mini schpiel.
mckenzie_keith@reddit
Americans travel to all the corners of the world.
I have heard people talk about moving based on politics. Like "if so-and-so wins the election I am moving to Canada or New Zealand."
I have heard people talk about moving to a lower-cost-of-living country to work remote, or retire. Especially, for example, some Filipino-Americans may plan to retire in the Philippines.
otetrapodqueen@reddit
I've wanted to move to Europe since I was a little girl, but I probably never will lol
SmokinSkinWagon@reddit
I dream of living in many different countries in Europe someday, yes.
Duck_Diddler@reddit
Not so much anymore. I've been all around the world in my younger years. I've got a family and a house, so it's kinda hard.
Settling somewhere else? Never.
snowconez@reddit
I am an American who has lived abroad several times, but the convenience and call of home always seems to come calling to me eventually. I just get tired of tiny cultural things that build up over time and bother me about the place. Nowhere is perfect and I know its probably me being nitpicky! I am on my longest stint now, will be two years abroad in August, but I am about to change my location again. Still in Latin America, though.💙 I find that up until last year, my perfect trip length was about 2 months before I got tired and wanted my own bed and shower. I did a 6 month when I was 26 but never again lol! Now im a bit older and think i'll try to do maybe two or three 2-3 week trips per year now.
link2edition@reddit
I want to see Italy, maybe Japan. I would like to see some of the Museums in Russia too, but I don't know if politics will allow for it.
USA will always be home though.
musing_codger@reddit
I think about it when we travel, but more as a fun thought than something serious. I've known too many people who've done it to want to do it myself. It's socially difficult. My kids are unlikely to leave the US. There are lots of things I love when traveling, but there are more things I'd miss if I didn't live here.
On top of that, there are financial issues. If I live abroad, I've got to deal with the local tax system AND the US tax system because the US continues to tax you when you live abroad. And in theory, I could change citizenship, but the exit tax for giving up US citizenship is brutal.
ofBlufftonTown@reddit
There are quite a few places I would like to move to. I spent 25 years in SE Asia and am only medium on the states now that I’ve returned, partly because the food is so bad by comparison. I’d like to move to Ogygia off Ragusa in Sicily, or back to Rome where I’ve lived, or Paris or Nice, or London or maybe Edinburgh. I can visit the US if I want to. But I speak Italian and French, so it would be an easier move. I don’t want to move to Berlin even though it’s a great city in part because my German is meager, though it’d probably improve quickly.
athenank@reddit
In my circles, yes, but maybe that’s more prevalent among young women. Many of us young folks are disillusioned with the American Dream. Not that it’s particularly better in other countries but our social nets here are pretty nonexistent. If you have a special skill that’s in need, it’s probably best to find employment outside of the US. I’ve had coworkers move back to Europe because of the shit show happening here.
AlrightyAlready@reddit
Some of us think of leaving the USA just because of what is happening under the Trump regime.
Extension_Abroad6713@reddit
As a kid who grew up watching Rick Steves, History Channel, Discovery Channel, and Animal Planet, I’ve always wanted to travel abroad. Since high school I’ve wanted to move abroad (permanently) and still hope to do so. I’m ok giving up the possibility to make over six figures a year in exchange for more PTO, less worries over healthcare/insurance bankrupting me, and in general a slower/different pace of life. I’d love to live somewhere that I do not need a vehicle. Suburbia sucks
ryguymcsly@reddit
That's a tough one. If I could immigrate to a country with proper healthcare and worker protections tomorrow with my whole family I probably would, but we would be leaving a lot that we love to make that happen.
That said, I think a big part of the reason people dream of the US is cultural domination and a large number of people who've already immigrated. Friends of mine overseas often went to school here or knew someone who did. They all watch our movies. Hell, all the Arabs I know watch the NFL. It's a big beautiful country, and even poverty here is better than poverty in a lot of other places in the world.
If I'd known what Germany was like when I was 18, I'd probably be living in Berlin with an EU passport right now. I couldn't find out about that from friends and neighbors though, I don't know anyone who went to school there, I've seen maybe two movies made in Germany. I simply didn't know it was an option or that it was pretty good. Same goes for other places I've visited in my 40s like France, Ireland, Australia, etc.
Probably the closest to dreaming of immigration that any of my fellow US friends have is New Zealand, which a weirdly large amount (\~30% or so) talk about pretty regularly. Unfortunately one of our friends did move there and she hasn't had a great experience to put it mildly. Her house is gorgeous though.
DLS3141@reddit
I think about retiring somewhere else. I probably won’t be able to afford to live anywhere worth living in the US.
Proper-Bee-4180@reddit
Not sure anyone “dreams” of travelling or settling in the us anymore. Those days have gone
Standard_Nothing_268@reddit
Settling, maybe part time but we personally want to do some expat roles in places like China, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Korea, and others so we can experience living in places for more of an extended period rather than couple weeks vacation
socabella@reddit
I think most Americans dream of traveling. European destinations are popular (Paris, London, Italy), but traveling anywhere internationally is a treat.
Some older people think about retiring in Mexico, but I don’t think most Americans want to live outside the country forever. It’s a long trip home from almost anywhere.
Accomplished_Life571@reddit
I dream of moving to New Zealand-been there twice and I am in love!
ExtraTallBoy@reddit
I get to travel abroad for work a bunch often for a few weeks to months.
A few of the places I have been to I would happily visit again at my own expense. Even fewer among those that I'd ever consider living full time.
I also feel this way about much of the US though.
Secure-Ad8196@reddit
Yea I’d want to travel to other countries but I wouldn’t want to settle there
swosei12@reddit
I think part of disparity occurs for s couple of reasons.
The cultures of other countries are not so embedded in US culture during our formative years. After meeting various folks from different cultures, I was so surprised to learn than many of them grew up (or at least had access) to the same shows and movies that I grew up on like Family Matters, Full House, Saved by the Bell.
Many of us don’t travel as much internationally as folks from other places. For instance, summer vacations were your parents loading you and your siblings in the station wagon or minivan and driving 5+ hours to go somewhere. The 1st time I traveled extensively outside of the States was in college during my study abroad program. Prior to that, I never considered living outside of the States.
The US is huge. So for many, if you grew up on the West Coast, moving to the East seems like you are living in a completely different country even though it’s the same.
ChessieChesapeake@reddit
I love traveling and seeing the world, but the U.S. will always be home.
A_plus_USA@reddit
Yes, of course. They tend to be idolized dreams though, that focus on only the good and don't understand the realities of living there that can be neutral or bad.
I personally would love to move and settle in Portugal, just based on my one trip there, lol.
Pemminpro@reddit
No not really, I like visiting other countries but preferably wouldn't want to live permanently in any other them ive been to so far. He'll I've lived in other states and they haven't felt like home.
Icy-Whale-2253@reddit
My goal since I was 17 has been to retire abroad like Tina Turner did (and like her… hopefully a multimillionaire by then 💀)
I could see myself in a moulin in southern France
TechnicalBattle950@reddit
Some do but its probably in the minority.
Penguin_Scout@reddit
I would love to travel pretty much anywhere! And I frequently consider the pros/cons of moving to Ireland as my husband qualifies for citizenship by descent from his grandfather. The biggest reason I don’t move is it would uproot my children and leaving behind my parents would be tough.
Val-E-Girl@reddit
I love the travel part, but I'm always happy to be home in the US. I cannot imagine living anywhere else. Every country has their own problems.
ratchetcoutoure@reddit
Many Americans in general expressed interest to live in Canada and UK as top most destinations, since they both mainly speak the same language, and the culture are not that different, besides Japan. Other than that, what commonly heard includes Ireland, France, Switzerland, & Italy.
l12@reddit
A lot of Americans are anglophiles and dream of living in UK.
Altril2010@reddit
I love traveling and I have a huge list of places I still want to see. When I was younger without a spouse or kids I had fantasies of living places other than the US, but not now. My 13 year old is currently talking about future careers and is exploring options of which careers could provide travel benefits.
Lefaid@reddit
I would say that many of us dream, but very few of us follow through on it.
I think most Americans do dream of visiting major parts of the world. London and Paris are obvious. Some want to go to Mexico or the Carribbean for a vacation. The most ambitious will talk about traveling one day to Australia or Africa (rarely a specific country in Africa).
I think most people dream of visiting another country or continent. Americans aren't uniquely uninterested in that.
As for moving. When Americans are mad at the US, they might talk big game of moving to Canada, Spain, the UK, Ireland, Italy, or Scandinavia, but very few of us actually go through with that. Most Americans who move away from America do so because the military made them or they have family in the country they are moving to.
techster2014@reddit
I'm often tempted by the "we'll give you a house and land if you sink $30k into it to modernize it" places in the mountains of Italy. Just go become a goat farmer or some crap. But, aging parents, kids, and wife's aging parents keep me here, chugging away as a cog in the machine...
CantCreateUsernames@reddit
Yes, some Americans do, and for different reasons. But there is no one country that Americans across the board dream of moving to.
Some Americans, even if they were born or naturalized in the US, may want to immigrate back to a country where their family is from, especially if that country is familiar to them in some way (i.e., they have friends and family there), they speak the native language, and they are confident they can get a job there.
Some, usually wealthier Americans, want to go on adventures and experience something different, but they may plan to return to the US at some point in their lives. These are the type of folks who love to use the term "expat" instead of "immigrant."
I expect this last one to generate a lot of drama in this thread, but some Americans want to find a better quality of life outside the US. This is something that I find a large portion of naturally born Americans can't wrap their head around because American Exceptionalism is so ingrained in the American Psyche ("what is better than the US?!"). I am pretty well-traveled, have friends and family living abroad, and find that a large portion of naturally born Americans don't have a very limited frame of reference for life outside the US. One of my cousins moved from Nevada to Amsterdam for a higher quality of life, and now that he has been there for 5+ years, he has no intention of ever returning to the US to live full-time, even though his family is here.
yyrkoon1776@reddit
I do not. Other lands are unfit for Sons of Ma'at
Purplehopflower@reddit
I don’t just dream about it. I do it. We travel frequently. I have lived abroad twice, once as a student and once on a university teaching exchange. I plan to retire abroad. Everyone is different though.
Anonymous4mysake@reddit
Already seen half the world, id like to die where I was born.
hendy846@reddit
I dreamed of travelling.
I dreamed of living abroad.
I live abroad.
Huzzah!
Head-Requirement828@reddit
I don't dream of settling abroad, but I would love to visit a lot of countries.
Including Japan lol
Rosenate22@reddit
I travel to other countries but my home will always be in the U.S.
RedSolez@reddit
There are many countries I'd love to visit but not for longer than 2-3 weeks. That's when I hit my limit and want to go home. After visiting 27 other countries, there is no where I'd rather live than where I currently do in the US. Way too many creature comforts to give up, plus I can't do my profession full time outside of the US.
little_miss_rainbows@reddit
I have had a couple friends who just loved the idea of getting to live somewhere else for at least a little while. One wanted to live in Germany, the other tried Ireland out for a while but moved back mostly because her Venezuelan-American husband hated it. I feel like within America, there are a lot of options to satisfy people as far as different landscapes, places with good public transportation, different climates. I am not aware of anyone who moved for political reasons, but a friend of a friend moved to New Zealand and did say it was partly to avoid gun violence, but there were living in a part of the US known for gun violence, they could have just picked a different spot (around 50% of American homicides occur in 2% of the counties).
Ok_Organization_7350@reddit
NO. I am kind of repulsed by what I see going on in other countries, including countries in Europe. Sometimes if we feel annoyed or claustrophobic from living somewhere, then we can just just move to a different state within America.
Legitimate_Plate85@reddit
Most americans I know that want to start a family rather live in europe , and the ones closing to retirement rather live in Latin America
Vyce223@reddit
I could name off a laundry list of countries I'd love to visit and possibly settle in. Many in Europe like Germany, Denmark, Sweden, UK, France, Italy. Some more eastern, like yes Japan, South Korea, China, Australia, New Zealand. Then closer to home, Canada aint a lost cause eh?
Course a non-exhaustive list in any region really there's many more desirable places but I naturally have certain ones that I've always wanted to go to more on the top of my head. Others that would be one heck of an interesting trip!
Free-Sherbet2206@reddit
For travel, yes. For moving abroad, the only people I know that want to do that were not born in the US
ophaus@reddit
I don't, I abhor travelling.
Responsible-Care-388@reddit
Yes but usually after accumulating a good amount of wealth and more often than not going somewhere where your money goes farther. This is different than those who want to come to the US….usually with skills to make more money.
Many Americans enjoy Latin American countries, the Caribbean, warmer parts of Europe where their money goes farther (Portugal is very popular), or south east Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines). There are also a tiny subset of much wealthier Americans who move to France or Italy or a more expensive European country or even Dubai or Monaco/Switzerland.
Those who move to Japan/korea/China are usually younger and work in teaching or a very entry level position and are only there for as many years as they can get working contracts. Even if you have a lot of money it is very hard to become a citizen in East Asia without family/marriage connections and good language skills.
malibuklw@reddit
I feel like I could absolutely enjoy living in the Caribbean somewhere. My husband spent his teenage years in Bermuda and doesn’t agree
sholeyheeit@reddit
I have a Hong Kong American friend who's working to settle in Malaysia - food scene partially reminds them of pre-2010s HK - like most Malaysians, is more about food than alcohol - investment in high capacity public transit remains a priority across political administrations. The city they're aiming for, Johor Bahru, is building (what we'd call) a cross-strait subway to connect with Singapore's - is in a position where they could earn a Singaporean/comparable-to-US salary while living on Malaysian costs of living--a fraction of NYC's (where they live now)
im_in_hiding@reddit
Some, yes.
Others, no.
willtag70@reddit
I've had the dream to live in other countries for most of my life. I have traveled extensively around the world for both education, business and pleasure. Enough to realize some of the realities involved in actually moving. At this point, being older, the hurdles are large so very unlikely to happen, but I do have fantasies about it still.
Ok-Educator932@reddit
I’d love to retire in Italy but according to my cousins and other family there the economy isn’t the best so I wouldn’t want to work and live there but retirement sounds amazing
Newmillstream@reddit
Visiting and living are very different things.
I would like to visit most places, but internationally unless it was temporarily for work or study, I don't think I would want to live outside America by choice. Not because I don't think it would be a good experience: In many places my quality of life would improve. However, I have connections here I would be loath to leave.
Available_Reveal8068@reddit
I've dreamed of traveling or settling abroad in Japan.
MainelyKahnt@reddit
It's becoming more common. Many retirees are settling abroad for universal healthcare and lower cost of living in general. Their social security goes farther and takes medical expenses largely out of the equation. Additionally, recently a lot of young professionals who aren't entrepreneurs are moving abroad for the same reason as the retirees as well as safer communities to raise a family. But they're a much smaller segment of the population because you either need a good remote job you can work overseas or a high demand skill set/degree.
scottypotty79@reddit
I would love to live in Europe for a year, specifically France. In that year my wife and I would travel all over Europe and see all the things we want to see, but home is and always will be the USA. I’ve lived my 47 years of life in 3 western states, and as far as I’m concerned, the US west of the Mississippi is the most grand, beautiful, and publicly accessible region on the planet.
TCFNationalBank@reddit
The only one that is really commonplace is people mentioning wanting to relocate to Canada to escape our political climate, and it's not often serious.
cantseemeimblackice@reddit
Yeah, it’s not a great economic move usually, but it’s for people who value relative peace and a gentler society. At the state and city level the US can be great, but there is always the threat of how a deranged federal branch can affect you.
jfchops3@reddit
It's highly unlikely that someone who blames all their personal problems on the federal government has the capability to navigate emigration let alone any skills their desired country wants. So it's just internet yapping for most of them
Common_Cut_1491@reddit
More and more every day.
chinacatlady@reddit
I had not considered living abroad until midlife when it became so painfully obvious that my future was going to be more of the same for a very long time. My experiences were not good up until that time so a change seemed like a good idea and moving abroad sounded possible. I moved in 2018. First to Shanghai China. Then Barcelona Spain. And finally Sicily Italy. My partner is Spanish so we spend a lot of time there. He is an immigration attorney and I work in relocation so I’m biased but there are more and more Americans like me. People who hadn’t really considered if moving abroad was possible but had that dream deep down. Over the last few years the dream is moving into actual planning and feasibility research. Research and my professional experience is are both showing Americans are catching up to others.
turtlebox420@reddit
I cannot wait to get out of this piece of shit country
Riker_Omega_Three@reddit
I'm in my 40s and don't even have a passport
I'm fine where I am. Never felt the need to explore
People these days are all about "experiences"
Those experiences don't pay for your retirement
thegabster2000@reddit
I would like to live in Germany but im stubborn when it comes to learning new languages.
wendydarlingpan@reddit
Among my educated, liberal, upper middle class circle, a lot of people have been talking about moving abroad lately because of the direction our country has been heading. This is most true of people with identities that may put them at risk (gay parents with children worried about losing marriage protection, trans adults, families with a trans / gender diverse kid) but also women and parents of girls worried about a national abortion ban, etc…
I’ve also talked to one or two families who are pursuing citizenship in EU countries as a way to give their children more affordable options for university.
Among the rest of the population, folks sometimes dream of retiring to somewhere in Mexico, Central America or the Caribbean where their retirement funds can go a bit further. This tends to be people lower on the socioeconomic ladder. Well off enough to have a pension or decent retirement account, but going to be in a tight budget if they stay in the U.S.
It is a lot more common for people to migrate within the U.S. for career, lifestyle or opportunity. Many young people in particular have a goal of moving to NYC, or California, or whatever big city is appealing in their region (often seems to be Nashville or Dallas for young southerners)
Many Americans of European descent dream of visiting whatever country / countries their families originally came from. It’s becoming less common, I think, but for my parents’ generation seeing “where their people came from” was a big deal. They grew up with stories from grandparents or great grandparents who left home in Ireland, Italy, etc… never to return. So this was very emotional and important for them.
I think this is less of a thing for younger generations who are far removed from those original immigrants, and not as salient for more recent immigrants now that air travel makes returning home to visit after immigrating much less difficult.
_WillCAD_@reddit
Some do. Lots of Americans dream of visiting Europe, particularly Italy (for all the cool Roman architecture, the food, and the wine). A lot of retirees in my family have been to Spain a number of times, again for the wine.
Many Americans also dream of visiting The Holy Land (i.e. Israel, holy to Christians and Jews), or Greece (again for the ancient architecture and the food), or Egypt (because let's face it, Egypt has some of the most impressive ancient architecture in human history).
Americans also love to visit beautiful scenery, from deserts to seashores to forests to mountain vistas. And beautiful places can be found just about everywhere on Earth, so name a country, any country, and some Americans will have dreamt of visiting there.
All that being said, international travel is far less common with Americans than with people who live on other continents, simply because our country is so damn big, and contains such a wide variety of sights and attractions, that we often try to visit our own wonders first and don't bother with wonders in other parts of the world. Only a small percentage of Americans have passports, but many Americans have travelled thousands of km away from their homes on holiday (or as we say it, thousands of miles away on vacation). The farthest outside the US I've ever been is the Bahamas, which are one of our closest neighbors.
But I've often traveled 900 miles (1,450km) on vacation to Florida, both by car and by air; and multiple times I have been to Las Vegas, which is 2,100 miles (3,380km) in a straight line. I always fly to Vegas, it's much too far to drive. In 2019 I flew to Vegas and rented an RV (camper), and for about ten days drove a 1,300 mile (2,100km) loop through multiple states to visit state and national parks. All that, with no passport required, because it's all within the US.
BreakfastBeerz@reddit
I'd love to travel all over the world and see as much of it as I can. I have no desire to live anywhere else though.
Soigne87@reddit
I wouldn't say "dream". I think it's less serious than what many people dream of moving to the US.
We might be upset about certain aspects of our country but it's hard to ignore that we're a fairly privileged population.
WorkerAmbitious2072@reddit
Usually no
HobGrot@reddit
Traveling, yes. I used to have real bad wanderlust. Went backpacking in Europe in my 20s. I loved it, but prefer living in America.
Ellis4Life@reddit
Why go out for burgers when you have steak at home?
thebravekingamelia@reddit
Yes but it feels unattainable
imhereforthemeta@reddit
Id say it’s pretty common, especially left leaning Americans. Unfortunately, it’s shockingly hard for Americans to immigrate compared to how easy it’s traditionally been for people to immigrate to America
boulevardofdef@reddit
I've done an OK amount of international travel but would really like to do a lot more. Germany is No. 1 on my wishlist. Would also love to see Australia (I fear this is never going to happen with the hassle and expense of getting there).
As far as moving abroad, I sometimes fantasize about it like a lot of left-leaning people here, but the more I think about it, the less I can rationalize it.
Tyler_w_1226@reddit
Generally no, but there is a growing number of people who want to earn American dollars and live abroad somewhere with a lower cost of living like Latin America or SE Asia
Mocjo111@reddit
I use to than I read all the negative comments citizens from other countries make about tourists. Ya no thank you. I’ll stay where I am
tenehemia@reddit
Many do, yeah. My two sisters and I between us have lived in Japan, Taiwan, China, Germany, Turkey and Costa Rica, as well as several cities around the US. Our parents have lived within 60 miles of the cities they were born in for 80 years, so it wasn't even that we had an immediate example that led us to that kind thing.
Alritelesdothis@reddit
Yes, everywhere I travel to I ask myself “would I prefer to live here or the US?” Thus far the only place I’ve been that I think I might like to settle in is Ireland.
Efficient_Wheel_6333@reddit
For me, it depends on the country. I'd love to visit quite a few English-speaking countries, but I'd also like to visit countries like Italy. If Lebanon was a heck of a lot safer to visit than it currently is, I'd like to go, as my dad's siblings live there and I've only met one, who's been able to visit America. I have a lot of cousins on his side I've also not met for the same reason.
143019@reddit
Nowadays, yes. There are more Americans than ever dreaming of leaving.
He2oinMegazord@reddit
Personally, id love to have the finances to travel and or live abroad. My top pick for living abroad would be New Zealand because the climate is as close to perfection as i can think of
Live-Flower9917@reddit
Sigh YES.
Gorilla_man2@reddit
Yeah man. Denmark, or the Netherlands are at the top of my list. I never wanna pretend some new place and country will magically be perfect or solve all my problems but I can’t keep living in this capitalist shit hole. I don’t wanna have kids here with the literacy rate dropping. Sadly it’s just as difficult to immigrate and find a job in these places as it already is here.
dancexox@reddit
I always wanted to travel to other countries but I would never want to live anywhere else.
Emotional_Ad5714@reddit
I plan to retire abroad. I have narrowed it down to Costa Rica, Argentina, Ireland and Portugal. I should have it figured out in 20 years.
SenseNo635@reddit
I have no interest in living abroad.
Big_McLargehuge59@reddit
Yes. I’m traveling abroad at the moment, actually (🏴). Living abroad? Also yes…just not at the moment.
ChaniB@reddit
I dream of traveling all over, but I wouldn't want to live anywhere so far from my family. I would move to some parts of Canada if that was an option, but that's about it.
brinns_way@reddit
Yes. There are Americans who retire abroad.
GrimSpirit42@reddit
The only places I've dreamed of traveling and/or settling to is either the Mountains or the beaches of the US.
I have traveled outside the US. And probably will again.
But the Rockies are my favorite destination.
Shindogreen@reddit
The US is ass backwards in so many ways and as long as corporations are equal to people, it’s not going to change. Love Japan, but it would be very hard to assimilate…unless you have a Japanese partner. Italy is a little easier but as a whole it’s very nationalistic. I’ve seen behavior that has made me think twice. France is the ticket for me.
Actual-Run8476@reddit
I'd love to move to the Netherlands. I do dream about it. I hate being one accident away from being homeless or joining some religious group to survive. It haunts me.
notthegoatseguy@reddit
Over 70% of Americans have traveled outside of the US.
Settling? Not really. Most of us have no way to legally claim residency elsewhere, or don't want to put up with the burdens. You pay for it in either time or money, and often both
Waltz8@reddit
There's a lot of countries that'll gladly take the average American retiree.
notthegoatseguy@reddit
Retirees are a different category in that you often have to purchase private health insurance or pre-pay into the public plan. And there's kind of the implicit understanding that they really only want you during your relatively healthy and active years of retirement. They really don't want you during your declining health years, and many people end up returning home anyway to be close to friends and family.
Waltz8@reddit
Health insurance (even private plans) are significantly cheaper in other countries. For instance, you can get decent private plans for $50 per month in Kenya, and under $200 in Barbados.
Friendly_Side3258@reddit
I think traveling is fun, but I like living in the us! I like that we’re a mixing pot and have lots of different types of places like the tropics, desert, mountains etc…
According_Drawing_59@reddit
From Texas. I’ve been all over Europe, North America, and North Africa. I’d love to live in Andalusian Spain, Central Slovenia, Roma in Mexico City, Quebec City in the Summertime, or South of France. The U.S. isn’t cutting it for me, right now. I’d love to leave until it gets its political act together.
spicy_chick@reddit
Yes to traveling! We've got the short list of places that we really want to prioritize going to for our "big" trips mixed in with weekend and short trips to take within the US.
Always dreaming of moving somewhere outside the country. Then logistics and reality take over.
94grampaw@reddit
No, not really. I dont know anyone who's said they want to move out of the country and I dont either.
KrazySunshine@reddit
I’ve traveled to many European countries and was in England for four months and I’d move to London in a heartbeat. I’d also move to Vienna since my grandparents came from Austria
Comfortable-Race-547@reddit
The only place I'd want to live other than America is Poland. I'm awful with spoken languages though but I'm trying duo lingo.
MHW93@reddit
I never did in my younger years, but our current political situation is a DISASTER, and one that will likely affect our lives for the next generation even if we were to course-correct now. For that reason, I hear more and more poeple talking about moving abroad when they are able to retire. I am actively learning Spanish for this reason.
gofindyour@reddit
I would love to move to Canada or Mexico. But I know it's extremely unlikely that I would actually do it. It would be nice though
hollylettuce@reddit
Too many to count.
for people generally Italy, France, Greece, Iceland, the Bahamas, and the aforementioned Japan are extremely popular dream destinations for traveling. There's many many more I could list though.
MissFabulina@reddit
I want to move to Tuscany. I had always wanted to visit Tuscany. I finally did, and oh my word, I want to spend the rest of my life there. But then, I learned that Italians are not very open to making new friends as adults. And that expats that settle there typically note that this is one of the hardest parts of moving to Italy (that you will not be welcomed into other people's lives. That the Italians will be polite, but that there is a wall that you will not get past). And that made me realize that, unless I moved to where there was a large expat community, it would not be a good move for me. I would be incredibly lonely. So, I settle for visiting every couple of years.
Perhaps all my research is wrong and I am preventing myself from doing what will make me happy for no real reason. But I have found that explanation (reason for unhappiness) over and over in my research.
BTW, why do you exclude Japan from your question? Just curious as to why you don't want to hear about people's desire to travel to or move there.
blue_my_eye@reddit
I would love to travel abroad and often think about settling abroad as well. Idk if there's a country I wouldn't want to visit (safety concerns aside)
mewmeulin@reddit
i would love to travel someday, but my home is my home for better or for worse.
Competitive_Box6719@reddit
I would never settle anywhere else. This is the greatest country on earth
Mean-Bandicoot-2767@reddit
Retiring in Belize wouldn't hurt my feelings, but I have a sneaking hunch that as the youngest of 6 siblings, I'll need to stick around to help as they age.
DadPuncher69@reddit
Yes, but moving to another country permanently is easier said than done. I doubt it will ever happen for me.
StirlingS@reddit
I would like to travel outside the US.
I currently dream of moving to the UK, but that is specifically because my son is there and I would like to be near him. It's not realistic or practical for a number of reasons.
My husband and I have talked about retiring someplace tropical with sand and sea. That is possible and more practical, but I don't know how likely.
rohan_rat@reddit
All the people I know personally are retired, 65+. A few moved to Portugal, some to Spain.
msabeln@reddit
I used to travel all of the time for work, and I no longer find it enjoyable! I can’t imagine moving to some other country unless forced to.
ThingFuture9079@reddit
Yes. I dream of traveling to other countries but my bank account says no.
vasta2@reddit
I never did then 2016 happened then 2024 happened
PerfectPaint2624@reddit
Working on settling elsewhere now. I don’t think it’s super common. But I’ve always to wanted to gain citizenship elsewhere.
InfidelZombie@reddit
I lived in EU for almost a decade and will be returning there to retire. And are there actually Americans who would settle in Japan? Gotta be one of the last places I'd pick.
Fickle_Waltz_2211@reddit
Yes I personally dream of traveling the world but I would never relocate outside of the East Coast of the US. My entire family is here and I truly do love living where I am at.
Equivalent-Cicada165@reddit
Me? Traveling yes, emigrating, not really. My parents are immigrants and the pain of being away from family, of not being able to see them when they're sick, just generally not being close when you need them or they need you? I don't want that. Maybe when my parents die.
Living abroad short term, like a year or two to living in parents respective home countries and living by my aunts, uncles and cousins had always been a wish of mine in college. But it's not viable
But man, I really want to see ruins across Latin America. I've seen a handful, but mostly as a child when visiting family
harlemjd@reddit
Sure, but my parents are getting older and they like where they are.
Soy_Saucy84@reddit
I want to live in the Philippines
marvelguy1975@reddit
Nope. Not especially.
Slow_Air4569@reddit
I personally do. Would love to live in Scotland visited a bunch of times since my husband has friends and family there. And even before meeting him I always wanted to live abroad somewhere. I love traveling but I really want to get the chance to live in another country.
TrittipoM1@reddit
Seriously? For settling and not just a couple of months' casual stay?
Not much. Oh sure, I can imagine someday moving to a small village in France or the Czech or Slovak republics or Italy, or maybe the UK. I speak the languages well enough, and I like small towns (so long as I can occasionally get into a bigger city for good theatre, opera, symphonies, etc.). But I have cousins, siblings, kids, and grand-kids in the U.S., plus fifty years of friends, not all of whom could easily travel abroad every year.
Travelling is of course very different from settling. Travelling to some place for a month or two a year is totally fine, and needn't be a dream.
Run_with_scissors999@reddit
What’s the issue with Japan, OP? Japan is an amazing country!
_iusuallydont_@reddit
I’d live a few places for a few years, because I’ve done that before, but the only place I would permanently want to move to currently is Japan (because I used to live there).
Straight-Stick-2752@reddit
No.
America is the best.
ScarletSunder@reddit
I joke with a friend if I outlive my husband then her and I move to a cottage in England. Either we will run a b&b or become like rosemary and thyme/Miss Marple. Or both.
yellowdaisycoffee@reddit
Yes, they do.
I would love to travel, especially around Europe. I most want to visit the UK and Ireland, and I could see myself living in that area for a season of life.
It could not be forever though. The U.S. is home to me, through thick or thin, so this is where I'd prefer to stay on a permanent basis.
pikkdogs@reddit
Some may.
I have a classmate (only a class of 30) that immigrated to the UK. I have a friend who would have moved to Japan if he didn't fall in love before he was to leave. My wife's brother in law lives in China and has moved there permanently. So, it does happen.
Most people probably just want to visit.
Purple_Stranger_4502@reddit
I sometimes dream about living in South America when I retire.
Helo227@reddit
I dream of living free from crushing capitalism and a system designed to keep people struggling. But i’m not sure what country would fit that criteria in today’s world.
Yeah yeah, downvote me for not blindly loving the USA!
alexmjfoo@reddit
I think that’s the most patriotic thing I’ve read here man!
mooncrane@reddit
There was a period where a lot of Americans dreamed about living in the Nordic countries because of the healthcare and higher quality of life.
Snawer_brillant@reddit
California is where it’s at
Maronita2025@reddit
I have traveled to lots of places: Bermuda, Canada, Ireland, Italy, Kenya, and Lebanon.
I would like to visit England as I have yet to go there and am eligible for citizenship since my dad was born there!
I’ve thought I might want to live in Lebanon or Kenya. I already have a place I could stay in Lebanon but would need to find a place if I moved to Kenya.
ElevatorOrganic5644@reddit
No
tn00bz@reddit
My parents lived in England for 4 years while my dad was in the air force. I liked the idea of following in their footsteps. When I became a teacher I applied for jobs on US military bases in the UK, but ended up finding a great job here and never went.
I also visited Ireland last month and had a great time. My wife mentioned how she could easily live outside of Dublin. We have stable careers and a child, so it'll never happen. But if I were to leave the US, Ireland would be at the top of the list.
I really enjoy medieval history, so I like visiting Europe. But as far as lifestyle is concerned, im very much an American. I like my commute to work. I like suburbs. I like my home with a big yard that doesn't share walls with people. I like Target. Nothing wrong with european cities or towns. I enjoy visiting, but I don't think I'd ever want to live in that environment.
porkchopespresso@reddit
My goal is to retire to France. It’s not all that far away and it appears that it’s an attainable goal, assuming laws or rules don’t change by then. Or whatever else, a lot of things can change I guess but if nothing major is affected we can do it.
ddsiddall@reddit
Sometime around 2017 I got the itch to move to Europe.
It went away around 2020, but lately it's returned.
NS_8099@reddit
I’d love to travel to another continent someday but don’t dream of living anywhere outside the US.
powertoolsarefun@reddit
My family is expecting a financial windfall soon. We are considering moving to New Zealand.
Ok-Energy-9785@reddit
Sure
Choppy313@reddit
YES. Get me the fuck out of here.
RockShowSparky@reddit
i don’t.
TehTJ13@reddit
I want to live in Europe, particularly France or the UK, but they have plenty of people with my level of education so it’s almost impossible to find willing employers to sponsor me.
x_Caffeine_Kitten_x@reddit
I moved states and that was a big enough change for me (getting used to the new accents and slang is a chore, let alone a new language) I've traveled internationally, but would not want to stay for more than a few weeks. The US is home.
Actual-Run8476@reddit
I'd love to move to the Netherlands.
CLG-BluntBSE@reddit
I'd do just about anything to have a visa for just about anywhere else.
riovtafv@reddit
I wish I could have a tall ship that I could just sail around in for the rest of my life. It'll never happen, but I can dream until I drop dead at my desk and keep working for at least 10 years after my funeral to finish paying off student loans.
whipla5her@reddit
I enjoy travelling. I've not been to a huge number of places, but I've been to England a few times, Belgium, The Netherlands, Ethiopia, Canada, and am heading to Sicily in a few weeks. I really want to travel to China and Japan before i'm too old. But as far as relocating.. I can't see myself actually living in another country, especially a non english speaking country.
HonestLemon25@reddit
Most of us that dream of settling elsewhere dream of living in another state.
Urawinner1945@reddit
I dream of traveling, and would love to do so, maybe even working abroad for a while. Permanently moving abroad, would honestly depend on whether we stay on our current course, or whether we start working on improving our social programs, and finally get rid of for profit healthcare. I'd prefer to stay here, but everything is gonna be far too expensive, and I'd be dead or homeless already because of having had cancer, if not for my parents letting me live with them, and still being on their insurance.
IthurielSpear@reddit
Sure, a good many of us love to travel, I’ve been to 6 European countries and loved it.
Move there? Nope. That’s a whole lot of trouble, time, and money to even get approval to work.
Even with all of the problems in the US, it’s my home and I love our native habitats and national forests and state parks and our biodiversity.
Metal_Muse@reddit
Yes, I dream of retiring in Portugal or somewhere Mediterranean.
mmarkmc@reddit
I am nearing (fingers crossed) retirement age. I've been traveling more in recent years and fell in love with Basque Country and will definitely investigate the potential for living in Bilbao, San Sebastian, or one of the smaller towns like Getaria.
PriorSecurity9784@reddit
I think it’s pretty split. There is a group that was born in their little town, and never left, and never wants to go anywhere
and there a group that dreams of living in another country by the ocean or mountains. (It’s not that many, and it’s not uncommon for those dreams to shift with the arrival of grandkids, etc)
And there is a large group in between that aren’t particularly introspective, and are just trying to survive with a decent place with decent schools for their kids. They may have moved once or twice after college from their hometown for work, but now are pretty settled in their suburb.
DonktorDonkenstein@reddit
The answer is yes. A ton of Americans move abroad and don't return. I was lucky enough to live in Europe for a few brief years as a teen and spent much of my early adulthood dreaming of being rich and living the casual "ex-pat" life in Portugal or Spain. I might be something of a rarer example, but there are definitely Americans out there who fantasize about such things. It's a tough thing to follow up on, though, when practical matters are taken into consideration.
Intrepid_Table_8593@reddit
Traveling yeah. Settling, for the most part no unless they’re second gens wanting to go to their parents home country or the country you excluded.
alwaysboopthesnoot@reddit
Some of. We were expats for many years, in many countries, living and working and traveling abroad. We did it when the kids were younger.
It wasn’t without its problems. But it was an overall amazing and very interesting family experience.
Both_Painter_9186@reddit
I’m open to moving somewhere cheaper, pretty, with decent healthcare (Costa Rica, Portugal) when I retire. Other than that- no.
Oldpuzzlehead@reddit
I'm not a big traveler. I don't have a list of anywhere to visit.
Mysterious-Art8838@reddit
To travel but no it’s not common to want to move abroad
FreeStateOfPortland@reddit
I like to travel but I'm grateful and lucky to be able to do it. I do dream of being a "snow bird" between Oregon and Palm Springs in about 10 years or so.
Prestigious-Comb4280@reddit
Only if I can't afford to retire here. I love traveling especially to Europe. I might think about it but then some of the realities of living elsewhere set in and well who knows
trer24@reddit
I wouldn't mind being State-less. The idea of truly being on your own and not beholden to any country or culture. All countries have bad histories and suck in my opinion. Better to not belong to any one of them and carry their baggage.
bayala43@reddit
I would love to live somewhere old. I would love to move to Europe. I’d probably have to move to Spain because my only other language is Spanish, and it’s still kinda rough, but I grew up speaking with it because my dad didn’t speak English when I was little. But also the US is kinda just where I am. My family and friends are here, the air conditioning and plumbing is peak, and my career is here.
funktion666@reddit
Just traveling. Not settling. We don’t get much vacation time. So it would be nice to spend more than a week or 2 on vacation internationally.
However, when I do travel abroad, I can always picture myself living there for a few years. It’s a fun fantasy. But I have to be in the US, near my family and some of my friends (even if that means a road trip or flight away from them in the US, not necessarily in the same city).
ThatKaleidoscope3388@reddit
I don’t think you can make a monolithic statement like that. I will say that people in the US rarely feel the need to move for opportunity. Quality of life, personal reasons, or plain old curiosity are the primary motivations here.
the_real_JFK_killer@reddit
Dreaming of traveling is one of the most common dreams on the planet. Id be shocked to find any country where people didnt dream of traveling to other countries.
Stunning-Track8454@reddit
Yes, especially in recent years, the desire to live/move abroad has definitely grown in the US. I'm planning on moving to France in a few years, but that's more because of my job and my husband is an EU citizen, so the pathway isn't as difficult.
sigmapilot@reddit
my family (grandparents) came from korea so i am considering moving there. ideal match for me would be to remotely work for an american company and live in korea, second place would be work for an international company based in korea.
Upset-Win9519@reddit
Of course!!!! So many beautiful places out there. Plus every country has it's nice people anyone would want to meet. Humans are a naturally a curious bunch who like new experinces.
OlDirtyJesus@reddit
No, i’m down for a good time, not a long time.
Quirky-Invite7664@reddit
I’d enjoy living in different countries for a few months at a time. (It won’t happen, for too many reasons to go into. That’s ok.)
I wouldn’t want to permanently move away at this point in my life. I’m too old to adapt to a completely different way of life. My friends and family are here. I could have easily moved when I was younger, though. Maybe to a Scandanavian country.
Calm-Maintenance-878@reddit
I’ll speak for myself, travel yes but not settling. I’ve only had good experiences traveling to other countries, but, I enjoy coming home too🤷🏿 Last trip to Europe was 21 days…I think by day 19 I was ready to be back in my bed lol. It’s one thing to vacation compared to living somewhere. I alway travel with a visitor mentality…if that ever changes, I’d maybe be open to settling elsewhere. I don’t see that happening though but you never know.
Temporary-One7968@reddit
I want to retire in Costa Rica
LetsGoGators23@reddit
I plan to retire in Provence. I am in France as much as possible. I enjoy the pace and quality of life in the French countryside and the weather is perfection as well. I like old churches and good wine.
Automatic-Plate-8966@reddit
No but I was living abroad as a child so it was never really a “dream” it was more like the reality of my childhood and now my married life. There are certain counties that I would love to live in but I wouldn’t call it a dream.
damutecebu@reddit
I can't even see myself moving out of the American midwest much less out of the country.
PointNo6662@reddit
I would love to go back to Western Europe and travel more. I’ve also been several places in Central America. When I was in college, I highly considered living abroad for a year or two. However, I don’t want to permanently live anywhere outside the US.
vabeachkevin@reddit
For me, I’ve grown up in America and for my entire life starting from a very early age I’ve always had it endlessly beaten into my head that “America is the best, America is number 1, America is the best, nowhere is better than America” from the government, the media, and every adult I knew. It wasn’t until my 40s that I was able to escape from that propaganda and start to get curious about the world outside America.
Great_Chipmunk4357@reddit
A few Americans do move to other countries, but the number is nowhere near the number of people who move to the U.S. No, Americans in general don't dream of moving to another country.
TheOnlyJimEver@reddit
A lot of Americans dream of traveling abroad. Western Europe and East Asia are fairly common to hear people take an interest in. I would say wanting to live in another country, at least permanently, isn't all that common, though some do, of course.
OlDirtyJesus@reddit
no
Some-Complaint-7885@reddit
Yes, I plan on retiring to Greece. Never been there, or to Europe/overseas at all (I've only been to Central/S. America) but the weather, water/beaches, cost of living, food, and cat culture seems perfect to me. Mostly the cat culture.
CoffeeGoblynn@reddit
When I see how things are going with the government, I sometimes think about moving somewhere else. Truth is though, most countries (at least the ones I would want to go to) have stricter immigration restrictions that would require me to have an employer sponsorship or high enough education to accept me. Living in the US isn't really bad if you were born here and you don't live in a rough area, but I am worried for the future. I don't think I have any other good options if things get bad. :|
Waltz8@reddit
I've been to 30 countries. I plan to retire outside the US. It's very expensive here.
Leather_Rate_9785@reddit
I could see myself retiring abroad. My retirement would go a lot farther somewhere like Mexico. Plus, beach.
killingourbraincells@reddit
I've had day dreams about running away and opening a bakery in like, Denmark or Netherlands. It's just a fantasy. I like my life here in the US, and I'm too much of a hillbilly to forever live somewhere else other than the US.
SensibleBrownPants@reddit
Yes. All the time.
turquoise_amethyst@reddit
I’d love to travel and settle in other countries, but it’s only possible with money, a work visa or schooling (I don’t qualify for any of these)
nihilus_rex@reddit
I’ve travelled internationally, (including Japan) and while I like the places I’ve visited I don’t think I’d live in any of them.
Planning on going to Japan again in a couple years to see some old friends and hopefully Iceland sometime before that.
AtomSmasherrr@reddit
Well Japan is a big one so I guess that's why you're excluding it. Other common ones are mostly in Europe.
Outside of that it really depends on the person. It's an easy topic for small talk, you can ask, "if you could travel anywhere where would you go?" And it will teach you something about them, hopefully.
Wak3upHicks@reddit
I wouldn't mind going back to Germany. And I feel like I would love Norway both from the nature perspective and the talking to strangers is seen as weird perspective
mrsrobotic@reddit
I used to dream about it, then did it, then had my fill and moved back home. Like someone else here said, I dream of slow travel and longer trips but no longer about moving. This is home for me.
Cheap_Coffee@reddit
I do travel internationally.
I do not dream of living abroad.
DoscoJones@reddit
Yes.
river-running@reddit
I dream about traveling, but I don't want to live anywhere else long term.
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
I just like to travel bro.
It isn't this like massive emotional investment.
Typical-Amoeba-6726@reddit
No.