EV sales soar in main European markets as drivers shun expensive petrol
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stupidber@reddit
Expensive because they tax it and subsidize EVs
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Imagine if the fed pushed a petroleum-based policy and then started a war which disincentivized the use of petroleum worldwide. That’d be crazy.
MLPorsche@reddit
everything they do to force countries to keep the petrodollar is driving countries faster towards renewable energy
TedMich23@reddit
poor saps got sold on the diesel lie...thanks Germans!
mgobla@reddit
Currently there are huge incentives (for example biggest market germany up to €6k from state if you buy a new EV) that are limited time, lets see what happens to EV sales numbers as soon as the incentives end.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
Yes, but once you go EV, it’s hard to want to go back to gas. When they replace these vehicles, they will likely still with EVs.
mgobla@reddit
Right now many people are buying EVs without home charging, they will get annoyed by public charging
LaSalsiccione@reddit
You have to be a complete moron to buy an EV without home charging. Can’t believe so many people do it
Simon_787@reddit
Why? A lot of people who own cars will use to to go shopping, which is a great opportinuty to charge the car.
caschta@reddit
That's still a tale that's been repeated over and over. The european standard commuter doesn't drive 100miles per day. In Germany its 17km one way on average, meaning 34km a day when 5 days office per week (which is not so common among office workers). So you could easily go about 1,5-2weeks without charging, or, charging when doing groceries or whatever. Addtionally, in german cities there are many public chargers you can just plug-in over night once per week. So yeah, it's a little new at first, but if you save a significant amount of money people are willing to put up with it.
cat_prophecy@reddit
The average American commuter doesn't either. Most people are driving less than 20 miles a day. But for some reason having "only" 12 days worth of range on a single charge makes them anxious.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
Yet, a lot of those people like it.
Limesmack91@reddit
Agree, we had an ev as a company car for a few weeks without home charging, absolutely sucked. Public charging infrastructure is still crappy and unregulated. On the other hand, a large influx of people wanting to home charge is going to put a lot of strain on the electricity network for which it wasn't designed or upgraded yet (thanks again to short-sighted politics)
one_five_one@reddit
There are tons of used EVs in California with 10K-20K miles.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
This is more about people who have to buy a new luxury car every year or so and less about EVs.
Slowhands12@reddit
There are also tons of used ICE in Calfornia with 10k-20k miles.
Prior-Ambassador7737@reddit
Studies of the amount of people who regret buying EVs is very high
The-Egyptian_king@reddit
Show us the study
Prior-Ambassador7737@reddit
“A 2024 McKinsey & Company survey indicates that nearly 46% of U.S. electric vehicle (EV) owners are likely to switch back to gasoline-powered cars. Key reasons for this potential shift include inadequate public charging infrastructure (35%), high total cost of ownership (34%), and limitations in long-distance travel, making charging a significant stressor for many drivers”
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
These are clearly not Tesla owners.
i_marketing@reddit (OP)
This is a US study though. I think you should have mentioned the country the study was done in.
Experience with charger availability will vary widely from country to country. Just because people have bad experience with charger availability in the US, it doesn't mean it's like this for all countries around the world.
Remember, this is an article about EU. Some places in the EU have very good charger availability (but again, it can vary from country to country in the EU).
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Prior-Ambassador7737@reddit
A 2024 McKinsey & Company survey indicates that nearly 46% of U.S. electric vehicle (EV) owners are likely to switch back to gasoline-powered cars.
Internationally, the number is lower though. To be clear, I personally like EVs and see them as the future. Have a family member about to switch back to a hybrid because they are not technically savvy and stress about charging.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
Where are these people? I see none of them in my personal life and very few online where people even come to complain about things.
throw_me_away3478@reddit
The commenter said “studies”, you think they made it up? On the internet?
Prior-Ambassador7737@reddit
I sent one of the studies? It was a lot lower internationally though compared to the US, which is what I was familiar with
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bmatys@reddit
A lot of EV owners in Germany want to go back to petrol cars. Although the article is have is two years old.
https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7786/artykul/3436085,shift-away-from-electric-cars-drivers-return-to-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles
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Vik1ng@reddit
You only get the 6k if your household pre-tax income is below 45.000 €/year
dayvieee@reddit
That’s how it was in the US, EV sales increased the year(2023?) the credits were to expire. Funny enough the same EVs are now roughly the $6-9k off as MSRP, classic corporate greed.
BMW_M1KR@reddit
This is the only reason, if they had the same incentives on petrol cars there would be near 0 new EVs
kobrons@reddit
Considering the used EV market is currently very empty since the start of the Iran war, I'd say the incentives aren't the leading cause.
Especially since the Incentives started in january, are only for the first car, only for private sales (in a market with 60% business sales), and have somewhat low maximum of what the receipients are allowed to earn.
i_marketing@reddit (OP)
In the entire EU, it's more than 10%, with diesel being 30% more:
nomno1@reddit
I think that having EVs in Germany is a good thing but I do wonder about people that may take those EVs onto the autobahn and are expected to keep up with the flow of traffic on those roads.
Limesmack91@reddit
The autobahn isn't some mythical place where everyone drives 200kmh. You can do it in certain stretches sure, but hardly everyone does so. You can get by just fine at your standard 120
RagingAlkohoolik@reddit
If BYD puts ultra fast chargers down that can charge in 5 minutes im gonna get one finally
WitchHunterNL@reddit
Too much fast charging already kills your battery life, reducing your range
RafaelSeco@reddit
You're not.
You don't need that much charge for regular usage, so you'll want to charge slower to extend battery life. And save money, of course.
R32hunter@reddit
Yeah it's so cool right
I'd personally always hold my horses before jumping instantly to bleeding edge absolutely new tech Tho
Let's see if it takes a hit on longevity or not
RagingAlkohoolik@reddit
The long charge times have held me back but if this 5 minute charge is the real deal, its gonna be epic
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
That isn’t only happening in Europe, we sure it happening in whole world.
RunnerLuke357@reddit
I've yet to see it happen in the US. There are more EVs than there used to be, but not very many.
AmericanExcellence@reddit
all OP does is post articles that mistakenly try to tie an extremely recent and small increase in already-high gasoline prices to "increased ev demand". in every case, the increase is either illusory or the result of some other factor, which it would have to be, since causality doesn't work the way these articles want to claim it does.
PSfreak10001@reddit
Bro 50% increase sure ain‘t small
Aunvilgod@reddit
FIRST QUARTER. Barely enough to catch the impact of the war. Next quarter is gonna be wild.