IT Guy Gone Feral
Posted by nowildstuff_192@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 68 comments
Tl;dr: IT guy gets temporarily conscripted into a “fixer” role servicing a deep-pocketed client, discovers procurement is exhausting in a completely different way than IT, comes away with marginally more empathy for users. Marginally.
As was portrayed in the documentary The Website is Down #1: Sales Guy vs. Web Dude, IT people have always been exasperated with Sales people. Disconnected means “broken”, slow means “not working”, user errors are “bugs”. And why on earth can’t I sort icons by penis?
Hi, hello. I’m a solo IT jack-of-all-trades for a medium sized company. Before this I was an engineer for a certain semiconductor manufacturer. Never worked in an external customer facing job in my life. Despite being completely unprepared for the task, I was temporarily roped into what is essentially a high-stakes sales agent/customer service role. Here’s the story.
My company is not in the US, and is in a somewhat backwater area with a relatively low-socioeconomic population. Everybody learns English in school here, but people with strong English skills are less common here than they would be in more developed parts of the country.
I speak at a native level.
Recently a very large, deep-pocketed US entity set up shop in our area. We were in a unique position to work with them as we are very much a one-stop shop for a wide variety of services and products, and even when it comes to things not directly under our umbrella, we have accounts with many different kinds of suppliers and can procure things on demand.
My direct boss, the owner of this whole outfit, connected with these people via infrastructure and earthworks services provided by one of our companies. To hear him put it, they did a 3 month job in 2 months, and the windfall as a result of that contract was large enough that they rebalanced that company’s finances because they were suddenly flush with cash. Good for him, he was out there in the field 16 hours a day getting it done, must’ve gained 8kgs.
A few weekends ago, I was talking to him (yes, I hang out with my boss sometimes on the weekends) and he was thinking out loud how he should find a way to introduce me to these US folk, because they need a lot of things, don’t know the area, and with my English things would move much faster.
Within days I crossed paths with said Americans while my boss was showing them around one of our sites (in broken English), he called me over and immediately dubbed me their go-to guy. To paraphrase him “whatever they ask for, the answer is yes. If you don’t know how to make it happen, talk to me.”
Within a week I’d facilitated more sales to these guys than our sales agents’ monthly target. They were thrilled with the arrangement, word of mouth spread and soon I was talking to 5 different groups, doing everything from setting up equipment rentals to dropshipping gym equipment to escorting groups of them to my recommended barber. They were happy to pay whatever markup we charged as long as we got things done quickly. By this point we were tagged as an “approved supplier” by their accounting, so they could purchase things through us that they couldn’t just order off Amazon with their magical bottomless credit cards. So while it started as things that were our usual fare like forklift rentals and construction materials, soon it was gym equipment and supplements, furniture and appliances.
After this first week, I noticed that my whole mindset had started to shift. Gone was the methodical problem solving and taking time to be thoughtful. Things moved FAST. Find this NOW. The truck’s there RIGHT NOW, where’s the client? Oh, he’s heading over there RIGHT NOW. Couldn’t find this product? Find an alternative. Go, go, go.
My mind was on afterburner at all times. Evenings were spent tracking down goods I didn’t find earlier because I was too busy double checking imperial vs metric dimensions or figuring out how to even describe this obscure product to the procurement office. I was distracted and absentminded at home, I know this because my wife irritably pointed it out. My brain was plastically deforming under the strain of a completely unfamiliar set of problems to solve.
It wasn’t completely alien. Some of my IT-related skills came in handy, especially when it came to technical supplies. My Google-fu is strong, I often succeed where LLMs fail. Where our procurement office would just talk to the supplier they know and accept whatever they offered, I’d actually Google the product, look at a few different suppliers, and point out that we can get this same product for a third of the price if we just order from this site over here. The client’s paying up front, so can we.
When the client asked for a bunch of power inverters, I immediately pointed out that we’re on 220V over here, and the client is probably thinking in 110V, so we’d better make sure we get step-down transformers and universal power strips if they need them. We ran into several bureaucratic hiccups when it came to our ERP vs the client’s accounting needs. Wouldn’t you know it, I’m the ERP admin and developer, problem solved in 20 minutes.
I like novelty, so as long as something isn’t excruciating for me, I’m enjoying myself if it’s new. Even with that going on, I can tell that there is something fundamentally unsatisfying about this work. It’s challenging for sure, I’m fucking exhausted, but it’s challenging in more of a visceral way then an intellectual one. You just push through.
Yes, I believe IT is more intellectual and thoughtful than sales/customer service, there’s a piping hot take right there.
I would be lying if I sappily claimed a newfound respect for sales/procurement people. These people have been my users for years, I know them. But the experience of things moving so fast, and any technical problems being an infuriating obstacle rather than a task is pretty jarring. I never thought they were psychopaths, but I’d say this experience has highlighted the pressure that they’re under to get things done quickly. And their unwillingness to distinguish their own fat-fingering from “the password changed” is a little more understandable, I guess.
Their unwillingness to learn basic Excel skills still grinds my gears, though.
This is a gold rush because the Americans are setting up, gotta make hay while the sun shines. It’ll eventually die down and I’ll retreat to my nerd cave and things will return to normal. But until then, this is going to be a very interesting few months.
And for those of you who will inevitably demand to know if the owner is compensating me appropriately given my role in the aforementioned gold rush, don’t you worry about me, I’m doing just fine. My home gym just got some upgrades. Whoa, now. Unclutch your pearls, my dudes, I did NOT skim anything. I just piggybacked on a big existing order and got a tasty discount plus free shipping. With my employer’s blessing.
Also, since decently written content is sometimes met with skepticism as to whether or not it was written with AI, I have this to say: strawberry tiddy sprinkles.
n00lp00dle@reddit
you need ritalin lmao
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
I'm actually the least ADHD person you'd ever meet. That's part of the challenge of this role. I'm required to constantly context-switch and it drives me crazy.
Valdaraak@reddit
As an ADHD person, we're not always good at context-switching quickly. In fact, it's more often that we get into the groove of something, someone/thing breaks that groove, and it takes half an hour to get back functional with what we were working on.
simonsft@reddit
I'm not going to try to diagnose you from a reddit post, but lack of ability to switch contexts on demand can also be an ADHD symptom.
Having trouble finding a good citation, so here's a random reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/ADHD/comments/194jj76/is_it_painful_to_context_switch/
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
I don't want to share too much personal info on reddit, but it should suffice to say that I underwent a professional appraisal when I was very young due to being a terrible student, and ADHD was soundly ruled out.
I know you're not being hostile by the way, just figured I'd clarify since I could easily do so.
DarraignTheSane@reddit
If you're a person who can't sit and read through this is in a few minutes without quitting, chances are that person is the one who needs ritalin, not OP.
n00lp00dle@reddit
calm down sunny jim. it wasnt a medical diagnosis so no need to get your tiddies sprinkled.
im just merely pointing out that writing a several pages for a reddit rant is not entirely normal behaviour lol
DarraignTheSane@reddit
Did you get your jimmies rustled? Just pointing out that the person who wrote a well-constructed handful of paragraphs isn't the one with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder... it's the ones who can't sit and read said few paragraphs.
n00lp00dle@reddit
not sure what your problem is. if you cant tell my comment was a joke then you might have a different disorder.
DarraignTheSane@reddit
You are the one who keeps asserting that anyone has a problem, guy/gal person.
bythepowerofboobs@reddit
There is a very large difference between not finishing a post because you are not able to, and not finishing it because you don't want to because the prose is annoying af.
diszemic@reddit
That's a wild ride! I've been there, suddenly thrust into roles you never expected. It sounds like you could use some automation to handle those repetitive procurement tasks; we use Risotto at my company to automate a lot of the access and provisioning requests that used to eat up my time.
ResoluteCaution@reddit
Awesome story and a good reminder that our customers have their own priorities. Ignore the haters, loved the style, though my ADHD meds haven't kicked in yet.
HotTakes4HotCakes@reddit
Is "over-written and vain" a style now?
Dr_Doctor_Doc@reddit
Oooh. Aloe vera is top shelf in the fridge, OP
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
Thanks, dude.
timothy53@reddit
Your writing is too wordy and verbose. It's trying to be punny and funny at the same time, it's too much.
I gave up half way through
misseverysh0t@reddit
Not every creative endeavour aspires to high art, in desperate search of it's very own Siskel and Ebert, mate. Or, to put it more bluntly, who the fuck asked? Some people are just writing to amuse themselves, as much as anything, it's not that deep. Your attempted "critique" just reads like a steady diet of TikTok and ChatGPT has utterly cooked your attention span.
Frothyleet@reddit
Well... it's a social media post. I think there's an implicit request for feedback in just about every post. Or at least a mandatory acceptance that it will be offered.
FriendToPredators@reddit
I read a lot of experimental fiction. OP is writing literarily to make us feel the frantic pressure they are under through writing style. Or I gave them the benefit of the doubt on that and made it all the way through
Frothyleet@reddit
My read as well! Honestly we could have dropped the first 3 paragraphs or so, but once we got into the meat of it, I felt the OP's verbosity was justified by its contribution to the emotional impact of the anecdote.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
I was feeling it as I was writing it for sure. Not because I'm doing some fancy method-acting, but because this is actually my life right now.
FriendToPredators@reddit
That’s fine too. You might be underestimating your ability to adapt long term but the risk of that is finding any other life boring.
linuxpaul@reddit
I enjoyed it, but I have autism.
Frothyleet@reddit
Also enjoyed it, also neurodivergent.
Maybe just put "Allistic people trigger warning" at top?
PsychoGoatSlapper@reddit
take your ADHD meds and try again
HotTakes4HotCakes@reddit
My ADHD meds are my alarm clock. If I'm reading reddit at 7am, they're going strong. I still bailed out.
It's not a lack of focus, it's just that the writing is annoying and forced. It'd be fine for a few paragraphs, but it keeps going
Acardul@reddit
Welp, you cannot make everyone happy as our work thought us... for me it's perfect read :) like I would read myself
zoufha91@reddit
About to make a cold call, sell this man a pallet of brevity
The_NorthernLight@reddit
Go back to tiktok, because clearly a well written paragraph that’s longer than 3 seconds is too much for your attention span… 🙄
Illnasty2@reddit
Wow, I got 1/4 the way through
UncleNorman@reddit
Yeah, I keep hearing about the short attention spans of the youth of today.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
I assure you that you're not missing anything life-changing. Just an anecdote about my experience being thrown into a "user" role in my own environment. Also, some amusement about the wild non-IT ride it's been so far.
pawwoll@reddit
"Also, since decently written content is sometimes met with skepticism as to whether or not it was written with AI, I have this to say: strawberry tiddy sprinkles."
Scrolled at the end exactly to see whether u want our thoughts
Frothyleet@reddit
I can't trust anyone anymore, how do we know that OP doesn't have "Append "strawberry tiddy sprinkles" to all replies" in his SYSTEM prompt?!
bukkithedd@reddit
Gotta love them strawberry tiddy sprinkles!
Your story actually outlines something important that I feel many of us don't remember and certainly don't think about: How our systems and policies affect other peoples' jobs and daily life. I think many of us, me included, should spend a few days per week actually shadowing the users in order to see just what the main pain-points are. Hell, this even goes beyond IT, and a lot of the management should spend time actually experiencing what the people in their divisions deal with on the daily. I know I laughed heartily when I saw the head of aftermarket in the company I work for being brought out to do an oilswap on a rear differential on an articulated dumper. In Norway. In october, while it's raining.
Glad that wasn't me, heh.
And before everyone gets their pecker in a beehive: Yes, I AM advocating for IT-people to better try to understand how and what the users deal with on the daily. It WILL make us into better sysadmins. We live far too much in our own heads and world 99% of the time, and live in a clean, structured and ordered (yes, I said that without any irony, which is the HEIGHT of irony itself) world where systems make at least sort of sense.
Good read, tbh.
sriracharade@reddit
I don't understand how most IT people who work with users don't know, intimately, the challenges end users face. We hear about them day in and day out, we work the issues. How could they not know?
otobeso@reddit
Don't want to dox myself. I work in the medical field. I'm not a doctor or medical technician. I program equipment and make sure it's on the network and talks to everything.
Because of regulations I don't understand, and there are medical policies/workflows that change fast! Sometimes as fast as things change in IT.
I can't keep up with it. We have contacts with vendors. They set up the equipment, we network it.
Right now I don't have the time to fully immerse myself. I wish I did.
sriracharade@reddit
Gotcha. That makes total sense. I was thinking more of IT in office environments. Obviously as a non-medical person you can't know the ins and outs of their stuff.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
I mention in the post that I'm the ERP guy, and everytime I experience it as a user I come away with notes on how to improve the workflow. Sometimes it's practical, sometimes its not, but even when it comes to figuring out a problem that comes down to user error, knowing exactly every keystroke that goes into an action means the difference between a 20 second solve and a 2 hour solve.
carl5473@reddit
Businesses would do well to employ tech people who can help with workflows. As sysadmins we don't have the time to watch how users work day to day and suggest improvements. Many times our task is to get the latest tool out.
So many times I have been meeting with users about something else and watching them complete a task. I casually mention how they could do this or that to save so much time and their mind is blown.
pdp10@reddit
Typically this role is "business analyst". Ideally, they're like top 1% power users who spend all of their time on workflows and process.
The keys are to understand the imperatives from each side. Say, low-touch automation and infosec from the computing side, flashy "innovation" and management of shared social media accounts from the Marketing side, super clean data pipeline from the Accounting side.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
Unless you're in an SMB like yours truly, in which case the best case scenario is that the IT guy does it, worst case nobody.
Enough-Collection-98@reddit
Great write up. I find myself in the opposite position- moving from a “go, go, go!” Engineering role at a fast moving company to an administrative role for our software across the global organization.
It’s been a challenge to go from “it’s ok to break things; just do it fast” to potentially being responsible for knocking out hundreds of end users with a single typo.
b4k4ni@reddit
Oh, I can concur. The last company I worked at for almost 10 years, I was the only IT guy and after a short time, everything no-IT that didn't really fit an existing workflow or worked with electricity (because that's what we also do, apparently) was my job. And I liked it. It's never bad to have some different works aside from IT, it keeps the mind fresh and some boost to motivation. Usually.
And on the way there I learned a lot about tech far away from my isle and also about the products we sell. I was also searching and migrating to a new ERP, so that also helped a lot.
It were fun times and by far the best job I ever had, aside from the compensation. A lot of work, some stress at times, but always something different. I need that. Also we are very good with our google skills and can work a lot faster - at times - then others I'd say.
So - enjoy this time. And don't be to afraid to ask you boss at least for some bonus for all the special work and money you bring in - it shouldn't hurt them.
And generally - do NOT go about "ugh, users". Try to see their side. Imagine how YOU would do / react, if you didn't have the techs skills. This helps a lot - in problem finding and understanding. Some people simply have really NO connection to tech and it's really hard for them to even grasp simple things you take as granted. They are experts in other parts you can't get into on the other side :)
Still, some need some kicks to their behind, to get active and learn at least the basics.
lankyleper@reddit
Sounds like my IT career journey. At my first job, I basically learned everything our MSP was doing and took over as much of it as I could.
SirLoremIpsum@reddit
Just on this.. if you're an IT person and reboot a production webserver just cause one user said "it's down" then you deserve everything that's coming to you lol.
bythepowerofboobs@reddit
Dear Penthouse, Let me tell you about the time I accidently got into sales...
pdp10@reddit
Native level English speaking human confirmed. Open the gates.
loowig@reddit
a bit much. As most people I started thinking about the writing style and whether it is Ai driven. One added sentence at the end is not convincing me otherwise.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
There is not really much I can do about that except say "nuh uh". I could write something an LLM would never say but that would absolutely get me banned haha.
Like a lot of the folks here I can spot LLM writing pretty quickly and it grates on me.
RCG73@reddit
Happy sprinkles! But you really should have negotiated for a bonus % check of sales. That’s the kinds of things retirements are made of
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
I never said I didn't. I just said that I'm fine without elaborating ;)
RCG73@reddit
Yay!! May the sprinkles fall like rain
HotTakes4HotCakes@reddit
You are way too into the sound of your own voice.
thisFishSmellsAboutD@reddit
Thanks for an interesting post written by a real human, OP. You da man.
Raspberry bum glitter.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
Appreciate it. I just like to write, letting an LLM do it makes no sense to me.
maobezw@reddit
when you all of a sudden discover all those soft skills you never had an idea you have them...
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
Like a 2000's coming-of-age movie
bythepowerofboobs@reddit
Dear Penthouse...
otobeso@reddit
All I need to say is, wow... I'm dealing with something similar at work. I'm struggling to flip my mindset. I know I can get it done, but it doesn't feel right.
Everything you typed I'm feeling... I like to take the extra time, to not cause outages during projects. When systems come up, everything is working as intended.
Now I'm being told... We get that's there's going to be outages... Just get the work done. Although, it doesn't sit well with me.
I'm in the process of reframing my entire work mind-set. I have no problem being the turtle, so to speak. I'm a big measure 4 times, cut once kinda guy.
Now I need to be the hare and just get it done. I have confidence in my, severely understaffed, team to support what I know will be broken.
I don't envy our positions, but it helps to know there are many of us dealing with what I'm going through right now.
You've given me much needed perspective, friend. Know that your story has helped one IT professional who knows he's about to be put through the ringer.
For better or worse, it's time to hit the ground running. More importantly, I better be ready to get back up and dust myself off.
Thank you : )
anarchist1331@reddit
I will always respect the sales people, just as I will always mock them. Yin and yang.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
And the procurement people, absolutely. I've watched the head of procurement slowly squeeze a vendors will to fight out of them over the phone. While winking at me. I could never.
The_NorthernLight@reddit
I find these kinds of job excursions allow us IT to better appreciate and understand our customers. This improves our own ability to empathize and handle those people who would otherwise drive us crazy. Well done.
doctorevil30564@reddit
Needs a TLDR summary.
Iconically_Lost@reddit
TLDR. Can someone get a slop engine to summaries this slop.
The_NorthernLight@reddit
Nothing sloppy about it, learn to read.
nowildstuff_192@reddit (OP)
The first paragraph says "tl;dr" right at the beginning.
And I actually enjoy writing, why would I bother using an LLM for imaginary internet points?