Ran Ollama + Qwen2.5-Coder as my daily coding agent. Honest performance gap vs Claude/Copilot.
Posted by LateAbbreviations902@reddit | LocalLLaMA | View on Reddit | 11 comments
Got tired of $20/mo for Copilot and sending my client's proprietary code to Anthropic/OpenAI. Spent 3 months running a fully local stack. Sharing the real numbers because every "local LLM" thread I find is either pure hype or pure doom.
My setup:
- Ollama on Mac Studio M2 Max, 64GB RAM
- Qwen2.5-Coder-32B-Instruct (Q4_K_M quant, \~19GB)
- Continue..dev extension in VS Code
- Open WebUI for longer chat sessions
What works surprisingly well:
- Inline autocomplete: Indistinguishable from Copilot for 80% of use cases. 200-400ms latency on M2 Max, faster than Copilot cloud roundtrips on a flaky wifi.
- Single-file refactors: Renaming variables, extracting functions, adding types — works fine.
- Documentation generation: JSDoc, docstrings, README sections — genuinely good.
- Test generation: Unit tests from function signatures. Maybe 90% of Claude's quality.
- Boilerplate: API handlers, form components, schema migrations — no meaningful quality gap.
Where the wheels come off:
- Multi-file reasoning: You ask, "add this feature across these 5 files," and Qwen loses the plot after file 2. Claude 4.6 handles this effortlessly. This is the biggest gap.
- Debugging unfamiliar code: Explaining what a 500-line function does is fine. Figuring out WHY it's broken is where frontier models pull way ahead.
- Architecture decisions: "Should I use X or Y pattern here?" — local models give textbook answers. Claude gives contextual judgment based on the actual codebase.
- Long context: Qwen nominally supports 128K, but quality degrades past \~30K. Claude stays sharp to 500K+.
- Tool use/agent workflows: Forget it. Local models can't reliably chain 10+ tool calls without derailing.
Hardware reality check:
- 16GB RAM: You're running 7B models. Qualitatively worse than GPT-3.5. Don't bother with coding.
- 32GB RAM: 13-14B models. Roughly GPT-4-level for simple tasks. Usable for basic autocomplete.
- 64GB RAM (me): 32B models. The sweet spot. Qwen2.5-Coder-32B is genuinely good.
- 128GB+ RAM or H100: You can run 70B+ models, but at that point, the cloud API is probably cheaper for your use case.
Cost math:
Mac Studio M2 Max 64GB = \~$3,000 one-time. Amortized over 3 years, that's $83/mo.
Copilot Pro = $10/mo. Claude Code Max = $20/mo.
So if you ONLY need coding assistance, cloud wins on pure cost. Self-hosting wins if:
- You do on-prem work / air-gapped codebases
- You have client NDA constraints
- You already have the hardware (gaming rig with 4090, etc.)
- You value privacy > latency/quality marginal gains
What I actually use in 2026:
- Local Qwen for inline autocomplete (80% of my coding)
- Claude 4.6 for multi-file refactors, debugging, and architecture (20%, big impact)
The "local vs cloud" framing is wrong. It's complementary, not competitive. Local for speed/privacy on repetitive tasks, cloud for the hard reasoning work that justifies the marginal cost.
Ok-Measurement-1575@reddit
Reddit should start fining Ollama directly for the guerilla slop tbh.
Few_Water_1457@reddit
100%
AceHighness@reddit
what if it is a human that just wants his post to be a good readable version of his braindump ? why is it 'always a bot', if all you know for 'sure' (?) is that the text is LLM generated ?
NNN_Throwaway2@reddit
Because not only is it clearly generated by a bot, but the content is slop as well.
Also, using Qwen 2.5 is a massive red flag by itself.
egomarker@reddit
Like mentioning qwen2.5 isn't enough
ABLPHA@reddit
Bot or living under a rock. Call it
Few_Water_1457@reddit
Bot
mrinterweb@reddit
bot for sure. See the long form post with consistent styling. Bold labeled bullets. Is not human. Is bot
MaxKruse96@reddit
bot
FlamaVadim@reddit
So many tired bots are nowadays...
snowieslilpikachu69@reddit
qwen... 2.5?