Why do you think the petition to suspend the EU-Israel association agreement is lagging in EU Balkan countries?

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WorldlinessRadiant77@reddit

One pro-Palestinian protest in Bulgaria had more police officers than participants. People legitimately don’t care about Palestine or just support Israel.

On the political level, Israel is an ally of Bulgaria and one that helps us a lot. Except a Bulgarian veto on the topic.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

This is why we should have never accepted countries that contribute nothing to the EU like Bulgaria

Honestly the only thing I like about your country is it's history and women. Otherwise it is just a waste of my EU funds - haven't been and while I would be interested in visiting one day, we now have to deal with the poverty in here and the lack of education.

This is why the EU will never truly be solidary. Too many selfish members.

In any case Bulgaria and others will do what Germany says. Who are still owned by the Jews so it wouldn't matter

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Vesko85@reddit

Go on, tell me what your country contributes. You haven’t even said where you’re from. My money also goes into Europe, so take it a bit easy with those statements.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

I'm Spanish / British - which explains why I don't see why countries like Hungary or Bulgaria, no offence, have anything to offer to me. Literally nothing. Just funds taken from to be given to some corrupt politician that will do whatever Putin, Erdogan or Bibi tells him to do (depending on who owns him at the time)

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WorldlinessRadiant77@reddit

So you contribute shilling for whatever leftist or Islamist is fashionable atm?

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

I want Islam out of my country as much as I want Jews and Zionists out. I don't need some clown like Bibi saying what my president can or cannot do and threatening Spain or any other European country

In fact, plenty of Bulgarians could go back to Bulgaria. I don't see any Spanish mafias in Sofia stealing from locals. But come to Madrid, Barcelona or any other big city and see what some of your fellow Bulgarians do

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SadDiver9124@reddit

braindead Spaniard

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Vesko85@reddit

How is the government of Spain any different? It refuses to contribute funds to NATO but expects others to protect it. What does Spain do for Bulgaria? Not to mention the United Kingdom, which complained for 15 years about Romanians and Bulgarians while having millions of Pakistanis and Indians. The future of the EU is precisely Eastern Europe, because the West is declining, and the people living there are not only doing absolutely nothing, but are also encouraging their own decline. Liberalism should have limits, and you have crossed them. Honestly, from your perspective Bulgaria contributes nothing, but lately the EU hasn’t really brought much to Bulgaria either—apart from conditions, pressure, and very high prices for food and fuel.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

NATO isn't the EU, and still Spain had a 30B military budget budget in 2025 which is in raw numbers larger than all Balkan budgets combined

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Vesko85@reddit

Why are you looking at absolute numbers? Spain is larger than the Balkans combined. What matters is the percentage—Spain is the only one that refused to contribute 5%. And NATO is tied to the EU, because it provides military and defense protection, which is no less important than economic security.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

Well in a war what matters are absolute figures. How does an army of 10k soldiers and a budget of 1B add anything in a war vs Russia? Spain produces a lot of our own military equipment. If you pay jacked up prices to America for weaponry it does not mean you are better off. Or you invest more. You just spend more to pay a premium

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Vesko85@reddit

Bulgaria is one of the largest producers of weapons for the infantry, which is why it’s no coincidence that it is among the countries with the highest percentages of arms exports to Ukraine. We are also about to start producing drones. I find it very strange how you compare large countries with small ones—then let’s compare Spain with China.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

Spain has good relations with china. We don't have beef with Russia (in fact the soviets were the only ones who helped - well who stole our gold in exchange) when Hitler and Mussolini helped Franco and the whole world stayed quiet. In fact, the US and Israel are our biggest problems since they arm morroco who is our only real threat.

And yeah, Bulgaria does plenty of good things, when did I deny that? I am just stating that Bulgaria needs the EU more than we need them, and therefore, they should play by the rules set by the EU. You take your freedom for granted, but if Russia invaded you tomorrow , your only help is NATO and the EU. Spain is in a peninsula, they could bomb us but invading our country isn't easy. Who would come? Russia? China?

So I'm sorry that I have to hear from Bulgarians how they love israel but then expect western Europe to help them if turkey or Russia get frisky. And let's be honest, there is a solid chance NATO ends and you have serious risk.

And I would have no problem helping Bulgaria. But I have a big problem that you can't accept that Israel is poison to the world. And that they 'helped' more than others means nothing to me because their help always comes at a cost.

And yes, European countries have been very shit and that's part of the reason they don't help. If you ask me I would also get rid of Belgium and Netherlands from the EU. Other two thorns on my side

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

Why would anyone offer you anything, Marxist colonial devil

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HeeHeeLord@reddit

Your dumbass country is the reason israel can do as they please. So keep being a good goy and keep paying into the system

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Stealthfighter21@reddit

But the funny thing is that no one cares what you think 🫠

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WorldlinessRadiant77@reddit

You know, ignoring your disturbing rant with an anti-Semitic moneyshot in the end, I have to admire your audacity.

I don’t know which country you are from, but unless it’s Germany I promise you Israel has done more to help the average Bulgarian than [insert country]. For one they trained our first responders, firefighters and trauma surgeons. Israel was also a massive help in keeping the Arabs out when the EU was busy shaking its finger at police brutality (also take a rapid guess who is adopting the methods we developed).

So you are asking us to betray a friend and an ally for what exactly? A bunch of terrorists?

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

Ermmmm Europe does more than just that. Thanks to Europe you don't have to worry about your security, economic prosperity, and safety vs Russia or turkey. Bulgaria without NATO or EU is literally nothing, again, no offence. And if you truly feel like Israel is a better ally than Europe, then get the fuck out of the EU already. We don't want you, like we don't want Hungary. We don't want terrorist lovers and never ending corruption. We don't need countries who aren't even 3% of the gdp, and I don't accept these satallite states deciding for the big boys

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79mn105ss105a104@reddit

"I don't accept these satallite states deciding for the big boys"

Guess who the big boy is in Israel - Palestine conflict, according to your own logic

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

Yeah because Germans are still living under the shadow of their WWII crimes. And America is pretty much Israel. But their strength comes from the allies, not from their 5M population. As long as countries like Hungary, Bulgaria and Germany continue as they are it will go on. But I guess that will be the end of the EU

In any case we are fine in Spain and the UK, I doubt any imperial turkey or Russia will come after us like they would after you.

Like I said, you need us more than we need you. Call me whatever you want , I speak facts. Spain may be useless in many ways within the EU, but we still have 50M population, the fourth largest economy and historical connections to South America. We live in a peninsula. We can survive

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Vesko85@reddit

The only thing is that before the EU, you were an extremely poor country—much worse off than the Balkan ones. Yes, you would survive as a state, but not economically.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

Check the growth rate of Spain pre and post EU. Also check Spain's debt before and after.

Spain was only poor when the US embargoed us. We had one of the fastest growth rates in Europe without any lease program that countries like France and Germany had access to

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Vesko85@reddit

You may not want these countries, but without them you are completely unprotected against Russia. In a war, with these states in Russia’s sphere, you would fall within weeks. And this argument about percentages and GDP is quite a ridiculous talking point. Bulgaria has 6.5 million people—how big do you expect its GDP to be? And what about Turkey? It is one of our biggest partners—what exactly are you protecting us from when it comes to them?

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

I am in Spain, we are the furthest away from Russia. Russia is eastern Europe's problem, we have other ones . In fact during both WWs we were just fine in Spain. And I'm pretty sure we would be just fine again . I don't see why I need to be dragged to a war to support countries who suck up to Israel, who commit the same crimes as Russia. Tbh Lithuania, Poland, greece, etc... all these countries that love sucking up to Israel can be taken by Russia.

Since you support Israel doing it I guess it's ok if Russia does it too. I wouldn't feel bad

So actually, the EU and NATO helps more countries like you than Spain. Why does Spain have to invest 5% when we aren't under direct threat?

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Vesko85@reddit

So who is being selfish now? You’re contradicting yourself in what you’re writing. The same way Palestine is not a problem for the Balkans—why should they damage their good relations with Israel?

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

Because their invasion of Lebanon has caused 1M+ displacements? Do you know where they will come? To Europe. So I see a big problem that affects all EU members here.

And because the EU doesn't want this. And your benefits from the EU outweigh those from having any type of relationship with Zionists

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Vesko85@reddit

Migrants don’t stay here, nor do they go to Spain, so I don’t see what concerns you. They go to Germany and Scandinavia. As for Jews in present-day Israel, a large part of them come from the Balkans, so there’s no way to make the Balkans turn against them. The ties between the countries in the region and these people go back centuries. Additionally, with the exception of Bulgaria—which saved its Jews during World War II—the other countries did not, and they feel a certain sense of guilt about that.

So, accept things as they are. The truth is that the Israel–Palestine issue is not really on the agenda here, and it’s discussed very little.

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

Your problem is that you did not experience a country where people gave their life so that their properties are not confiscated by the state.

Your collectivistic attitude is a stain on the graves of millions of heroes in those countries, where people know the value of freedom, instead of just demanding free money from other people's pockets and standing in the line like a comformist loser.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

You don't know where I lived, so wrong. And what you are saying has nothing to do with siding with Israel vs what most of the EU wants. If you want to be in the EU, then play by the EU rules. If you don't like it, then leave, your people can value their freedom outside of the EU right

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

I anwsered to your claims about those countries that don't contribute according to you. Not about Israel.

I bring you a parallel from history:

If you want to be liberated by the Soviet Union, then play for the 45 years by their rules.

Does that sound like a proper thing to ask? I don't think so.

What you are saying is all about the imperial ambitions of the former colonialist states.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

The soviets forced the union, but nobody forced anyone to be in the EU. The UK left, so can other countries. To me it is simple: the UN has already spoken out against Israel. Bibi is a war criminal. You can agree or disagree, but those are facts.

Any EU country that doesn't believe in the rule of law should leave the EU, whether that is Germany or Bulgaria.

I am pro EU, but I am done with having satallite states of the US decide what the EU should do (and yes Germany is another American/Israeli vassal, which has been clear on Merz response since trump started provoking the EU since day one)

The EU makes EU countries relevant in the world stage. Germany benefits the most. But if they don't like it I am happy with a western EU which includes Roman speaking countries. France, Portugal, Italy, Spain. I would be happy with this union, the rest GL

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

If they agree to the original rules, that don't mean they agree to being vassals of other countries.

This seems like infiltration to take those countries without war. (Needless to say how many wars did Czechia, Poland, Hungary had against Germany throughout history)

I tell you with full pride: I would be already in the US just had some issues with my paperwork. I ABSOLUTELY support that the USA would have more cultural influence on V4 countries than if Western Europe would. Western Europeans should keep to the original rules of EU, not create new ones to choke and vasallize other countries that reluctantly let down their guards after a tumultous history with each other.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

I've lived in the US. I'm happy in western Europe. It can't compare.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"If you don't like it, then leave, your people can value their freedom outside of the EU right"

But then they'd miss out on the precious EU funds. I remember the days when the EU pumped billions into Greece just so they can get their shit fixed. Judging by the complaints of the people, it contributed to nothing. Just more resources wasted.

I completely agree with you that countries who can't stand on their own feet should not be accepted into the EU.

If I were to live in Turkey, obviously I wouldn't care, but since I was born in an EU member state and work here, I too have to pay for these larping countries, who, as you correctly pointed out, are US and Israel's bootlickers

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Vesko85@reddit

European funds are no longer as large, and you keep repeating that point like parrots without considering what the EU takes from these smaller countries. Greece went through a severe crisis and people were literally struggling, so take it a bit easier with those childish, populist statements.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"Greece went through a severe crisis and people were literally struggling"

Oh I'm aware of that. Which is more funny considering the funds Greece has received. I'm not judging how they handled the situation, I'm judging the amount of money they received without moving much.

The money is gone regardless, but at least they could've fixed their situation for the better, you know

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

I mean the Greeks are even worse than Bulgaria, but I won't get started with them. They are still living off ancient Greece and talking how great their civilization is. But they are a thron in the EU.

I like greek but I'm tired of them too being Israels slave.

Zionism is worse than the islam flooding Europe. All these refugees come from wars started by the US and Israel. So I have a right to be done with countries who support them. And any European who hates immigrants but then supports Israel or the US is a clown

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WorldlinessRadiant77@reddit

Let me guess, you are also some sort of communist?

Mercifully, people like you don’t call the shots, even though your President is a disgrace anyway.

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Prometheus_1094@reddit

Nope I'm a big fan of the right, Surprisingly I can be a right supporter and still be very anti Israel. In fact, one of the few things I can agree with communist is of my dislike for the US and Israel.

My president is shit yes, but we are still not licking the toes of Bibi and trump like some Balkan leaders love to do

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Dry-Pool3497@reddit

While I support a two state solution, I don’t care that much about the plight of the Palestinians, simply because they really soured my view on them by refusing to recognize Kosovo, and saying stuff like that they deserve it more than Kosovo. And then there is the incident of them sending an invitation to Milošević in the fall of 1999 for the back then upcoming Christmas event in Bethlehem, even though Milošević was already indicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo.

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Snoo-90678@reddit

Simp mentality, kosovan nationalist believe american will always come to there rescue. Reality is modern America and European politics is all about money and political interests (more so then beofre), and if its convenient for the elites to sell off parts of Kosovo (or all of kosovo) for serbian mining rights; they will.

The fact that we went through a genocide not to long ago and we still back israel because'palestine don't recognise use' or 'Arafat supported serbia' is quite pathetic. Ive seen grown ass albanian men laughing at kids and women being shot and killed.

This doesnt make kosovo safe it sets a dangerous precedent. Kosovo still cant form a proper government and serbia has standing army near the boarder and vucic has nothing to lose. Mind you vucic has good relations with israel and israeli arms dealers. But its ok 'palestine dont recognise us 😭'

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Dry-Pool3497@reddit

So you’re saying Kosovo should recognize Palestine, while Palestine doesn’t recognize Kosovo back? How does that even make sense?

And I didn’t say anything about the US or Europeans in my comment, what gives you the right to put words in my mouth I never said?

The only whiny simp here is you, who cries a river over my comment. Grow up.

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Snoo-90678@reddit

No gives a fuck about recognition. Its been a stalemate for a decade, if u think it still counts, mate you cry me a river. Im here on holiday in spain with my kosovan passport, no1 gives a shit. Im gona go watch muriqi later on today, what is his goals not recognised here. No1 said kosovo should recognise palestine, that's politics. But it doesnt mean kids, women, elderly are being killed by 10's of thousands, if not more. Same organisation that said there was a massacre in Kosovo. 🇪🇸🇮🇹🇨🇭🇫🇷 all are taking a nuteral approach to Israel, why cant kosovo. Everyone in the balkans already starting to feel the pinch higher fuel, food and energy and young people are leaving the counties like me and you bro. U can say iran and Palestine aren't related but they're are, by Israel. That's what i mean it sets a bad precedent, they're already talking about turkey being the next big enemy. Where does it stop?

I don't believe in stereotypes but theres a reason why they call it balkanisation.

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Adept-One-4632@reddit

I think its because the people here don't care about what is happening in Palestine.

Think is, the people of this region have a perspective on foreign affairs that more, in a tehnical term, "insular". If it doesn't affect them directly, then it doesn't matter.

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dim-mak-ufo@reddit

thing is, most eastern europeans are orthodoxes that believe their religion has a special connection with israel

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Adept-One-4632@reddit

Not in the way you may think. See, the Orthodox Church views the Biblical Israel not as a nation but as the wider community composed of followers of Christ.

This stema from the fact that, when you are baptised, you are considered part of the 12 tribes of Israel, hence a part of the nation.

When it comes to the actualy Nation of Israel, the only christian group that actively supports it are the so-called Christian Zionists (i.e. Neo-Protestants from America). The Eastern Orthodox churches do not hold an official stance on Israel, except the Patriarch of Jerusalem who reguraly criticises the state for its trestment of Palestinian Christians.

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Indubitabil12@reddit

Dude, Russia is prepping for general mobilisation.

We got bigger problems.

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Madatefute@reddit

Its because we hate muslims and we know communism is ruin. Israel is anti muslims and anti socialism. Its perfect!

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EvergreenOaks@reddit (OP)

Israel is arguably more socialist than any other country in the area.

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Madatefute@reddit

Israel works hard to win because they have to. The EU is like a lazy student who wants everyone to share their snacks but never brings any. Israel knows that to be strong, you must create and build. The EU just makes rules and takes money from people who work. In a real world, being smart and fast is better than waiting for the state to help. Success comes from doing, not from talking or regulating

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79mn105ss105a104@reddit

Not many people give a fuck what happens in Palestine, I have yet to hear someone bring it up. Corruption, economy is what people care about , the war in Ukraine and the one in Iran

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Turnip-for-the-books@reddit

Do Romanian people not understand that their fuel prices being through the roof and the behaviour of Israel are connected?

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79mn105ss105a104@reddit

Easily solvable by signing a petition

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BeeUnfair4086@reddit

But it's the same cause. If you cared for the palestinian cause you would solve multiple issues at once. The issue is always USA + Israel.

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

I really have had enough of this Palestine crap.

About a year ago I walked the McDonald's in Copenhagen, and they put a whole bottle of fake blood on the ground, and screamed to the megaphone in the middle of McDonald's. They also carried toy babies made to look like burned and exploded babies.

Besides the fact that the closest settlement in Egypt is about 30 kilometers from Gaza, and the capital city of Jordan is about the same distance from West Bank. They all speak Arabic.

So my quazi neutral opinion on this topic is that those people that decide to live on a battlefield with babies, and let terrorist organizations plant rocket storages to resiedential buildings and next to orphanages, they are just agitators.

Even if Israel would want a five times bigger territory than it currently has, it doesn't have the population for it for at least decades.

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Vesko85@reddit

Don’t worry about it—supporters of Palestine are like a sect and a herd of sheep.

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DM_ME_SALAH_GIFS@reddit

Says the dude whose country just elected a Putin dickrider.

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WorldlinessRadiant77@reddit

The guy who said he supports further integration in the EU and NATO? Our local Putinoids are in mourning all day over social media.

I did not vote for Radev, nor do I support him, but he was damn quick to make his position clear.

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

Don’t worry about it—supporters of Palestine are like a sect and a herd of sheep.

Says the dude whose country just elected a Putin dickrider.

"Dumb meets stupid"- in all seriousness both of you are cult members who fail to see the forest for the trees.

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DM_ME_SALAH_GIFS@reddit

Everyone who disagrees with you must be a cult member. Got it.

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Vesko85@reddit

Haha, and what exactly do you know about Radev? Go on—make your case.

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DM_ME_SALAH_GIFS@reddit

Tusk is a liberal.

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Vesko85@reddit

He presents himself that way, but in many of his decisions regarding the EU, he is actually conservative.

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TostBrot44@reddit

I have never seen anybody shamelessly dehumanise other human beings for wanting to live where they live before

Faking the deaths of their infants for PR? Do you read what you write?

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

I don't dehumanize them.

Every human being is a child of God.

Parents are responsible for the wellbeing of their children.

These parents decide to find some political purposes more important than the life of those children.

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TostBrot44@reddit

You do, every dead children is just a marketing scheme according to you. They've been reduced to mere tools to gather pity and support from other countries. You blame parents for the death of their infants for what reason? For not wanting to abandon their homes? Not everyone in Gaza is able to flee, you do realise that right?

Have you ever talked to someone who fled from Palestine? Or is your knowledge limited by what you see online?

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

"You blame parents for the death of their infants for what reason? For not wanting to abandon their homes?"

Yes.

"Not everyone in Gaza is able to flee, you do realise that right?"

I don't believe that, and the conflict is at least decades old.

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TostBrot44@reddit

Have you ever thought about blaming Israel for killing people who are not willing to leave behind their homelands? You're just victim blaming on a whole another scale.

"I don't believe that, and the conflict is at least decades old."

Why don't you believe that? Gazans are trapped in the city by Israel, and countries like Egypt aren't willing to accept any refugees.

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

"Have you ever thought about blaming Israel for killing people who are not willing to leave behind their homelands?"

I don't have to. Israel is a war criminal country, and Palestine is not even a country. I believe in individualism, and as I said, that every person is a child of God. If the parent is not the one launching Isreali rockets on himself, but he is the one to bring the children to safety, even if it takes personal sacrifices in his own stubbornnes and pride.

"Gazans are trapped in the city by Israel"

Even it is the case sometimes, it was surely not the case every day since 2023 October.

"countries like Egypt aren't willing to accept any refugees"

And it is a good question why is that

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TostBrot44@reddit

"but he is the one to bring the children to safety"

Not everyone is able to, have you considered that? You act like walking out of Gaza and starting a new life in another country is as easy as a walk in the park. Even a Turkish person can't go to Germany and live there. There are so much paperwork that needs to be done, then they have to find a job to support their expenses in a new country.

You're assuming that something you never had to experience is easy and anyone who refuses to go through it, even disregarding the possibility that in some cases it's just impossible, is using the death of their own infants for PR purposes.

That's just vile, evil and honestly repulsive

"Even if it is the case sometimes, it was surely not the case every day since 2023 October, and surely not every day in the last decades."

You really believe that anybody in Gaza can just fly to the EU and start a new life, do you?

"And it is a good question why is that"

Because Egypt is a close ally to Israel, curses be upon them

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

I actually did move abroad to a country where I did not speak the language, to escape political persecution.

But I had the visa, if that makes such a difference.

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TostBrot44@reddit

Point still stands tho, you never experienced the Palestinian situation.

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

I don't have to. They can walk 30 kilometers to Egypt.

If Egypt doesn't let them, that is on them.

I don't believe in sitting in the dust and crying, then going to Western countries and playing death worship metal songs, Netanyahu skullhead, and toy babies depicting burned and exploded babies, all white shouting at and provoking people.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"I don't have to"

And that is why you can't comprehend the situation, at all. That's why you're comfortable in reducing the death of literal infants to mere marketing schemes.

You lack empathy and basic human decency.

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

It is the opposite.

I am saying that THEY ARE reducing the deaths of THEIR OWN infants to marketing purposes.

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TostBrot44@reddit

... Which is a direct result of you being unable to comprehend the situation. You're putting malice intent on people you have no empathy for, and then blame them for an image that you personally created in your sick brain.

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

Okay, then tell me why they cannot move out.

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TostBrot44@reddit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

EU's lack of wanting to accept new refugees even if they managed to get out plays also a big role

Just educate yourself beyond what you see on the internet. Go out, talk to people. That's how I met my friend in Uni who lived in the West Bank and managed to escape. The storys of his everyday life were astonishing and honestly very depressing. It's nowhere near what we, EU citizens, could possibly imagine or even comprehend.

Only an individual who lacks empathy and basic human decency could make comments like yours from the comfort of their gas heated homes.

I wish that you and your family would experience just a fraction of the horrors every Gazan goes through. Maybe then you would refrain from making such revolting comments in the future

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

I don't see the issue, why they couldn't exit to Egypt, and get Egyptian citizenship and move somewhere else.

"I wish that you and your family would experience just a fraction of the horrors every Gazan goes through. Maybe then you would refrain from making such revolting comments in the future"

Brother :D have you read my other comments? My grandpa's family basically became from millionaires to beggars, and he he almost died of hunger then cracked his spine due to malnutrition.

And I myself experienced fuel shortages and private property confiscation in my own lifetime. I was a political candidate, and participated in peaceful protests for freedom, and fled the country due to political persecution. Growing up I saw 2006 riots in TV, one of my family friends were murded during ethnic clashes, and one of my teacher committed suicide. I could go on for a long time, but I rather put these things in sad little box and live like a random person in the West.

I don't want to play the victim or go into even more details, but I think I am not the target of this criticism.

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TostBrot44@reddit

You don‘t see an issue because you can‘t comprehend the hurdles and obstacles the Gazans experience due to Israeli and Egyptian intervention

That wouldn‘t be an issue for anyone with basic human decency and a glimpse of empathy

Attributes that you lack, as we mentioned previously

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TostBrot44@reddit

"Would you feel a good parent by staying there being bombed, or by moving out and starting a new life? The second option seems better to me."

I mean here you're literally just advocating for forceful displacements. Ask yourself this: Who is responsible for the situation that requires you to abandon your homeland, everything you built up to this point? And who is responsible for the fact that seeking asylum in another country is the best option?

How would you feel if you were to be forced to leave your home and seek asylum in another country, who might just not want you. Judging by the climate in Europe, I don't think that anybody is thrilled to accept a new wave of refugee

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

Let me be a bit personal.

I am from Hungary.

I was a political candidate one time and experienced persecution for my views.

I decided it is not worth it waste my life. Besides the fact that I am in a religious minority that is very small there, so the realistic thing is that I find a wife in my religion who doesn't speak my native language.

So yeah, I absolutely believe that the parents should prioritize the safety and well-being of themselves and their children, instead of being crushed by geopolitical games that possibly never going to stop. And their culture is not so endangered, due to all of Israel's neighbors speak the same language as them.

Sure, Israel is a war criminal country. That doesn't reduce parents' responsibility from letting their children die, cry, and lose limbs, for geopolitical games.

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TostBrot44@reddit

I wish you would be able to talk to my friend who fled from the West Bank some years ago and the struggles he went through and the general situation in the West Bank.

You can multiple that by ten to get an estimated image of the situation in Gaza

I'm sure, if you had an ounce of humanity left in your soul, you'd change your views about parents deliberately leaving their children to die for PR purposes just because they can't force their way out of an active warzone

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

Well, I don't want to argue forever, but the fact that those people are outside of Gaza shows that it is possible to leave it.

And as I said, Egypt and Jordan could give visas to Palestinians.

If that is truly the case that for example Israel is blocking the border crossing between Gaza and Egypt, then Egypt should just tell them to open a humanitarian corridor, defended by Egyptian soldiers that don't start combat, and all people leave Gaza in a few days.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"Well, I don't want to argue forever, but the fact that those people are outside of Gaza shows that it is possible to leave it."

Read again. They fled from the West Bank, not Gaza. Gaza =/= West Bank. But I guess that's too much for a brain that goes through several gymanstics just to label the death of infants as marketing schemes.

"And as I said, Egypt and Jordan could give visas to Palestinians"

They can, but they don't, and as a result, you blame parents for letting their infant children die for PR purposes?

"If you wish, look up Benes decrees."

What does this have to do with anything. I'm sorry for what your country/people had to go through, but that's just not my point. I'm criticising your inhumane way of reducing the death of real infants to mere marketing schemes. And having the audacity to blame people who aren't even responsible for their own misery.

"How about Free Hungary? From the Adriatic, to Carpathians, Hungary will be free. Free free Hungary."

Yes, free anyone who suffers from oppression. What's your point? You're running in circles

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

Are you saying that ever since for example the Six Day war 50 or 60 years ago, Gaza people never had an opportunity to leave? Or are they classified as stateless or something?

I can still bring up the example of many many thousands of Hungarian around 1956 ran through minefields and swam across the Danube to live in refugee camps in the West then build up a life. I am sure Palestinians can do it, even if modern laws are different.

Yes, I blame parents. If they truly have nothing, then they have nothing to lose. "Aki mer, az nyer" - "The brave person wins"

I bring up Benes decrees, because it happened in Europe, and it happened with my own country/nationality, and because it is not only the past, but they doubled down just 5(!) months ago to put into jail those that criticize it. All of this in the European Union. If there would be such a huge humanitarian desire in EU, then address Hungary's question, where a country formerly the size of Spain and having one of the strongest land forces on the planet was split into pieces, millions experienced war crimes and humanitarian crysis that last to this day, and if anyone mentions it they are labeled a bad person or Russian puppet, while a neighboring EU country can just double down in 2025 on these crimes against humanity.

And yes, I believe in individual responsibility, and I do believe that parents should find a way. Just as if lions or bears walk in your street, then you make sure your toddler child wouldn't walk around the lions or bears to be eaten.

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BeeUnfair4086@reddit

Another guy / bot even called those sheep. Insane times we living in. I really would like to meet Vesko85, to understand who those people are and what went wrong in their lives.

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

I really would like to meet Vesko85, to understand who those people are and what went wrong in their lives.

-Be among the IT breed which resembles walking Soyjack caricature all the way down to behaviour patterns & diet.

-Be vatgrown Neo-Liberal within a bubble so sterile & devoid or real people, that even the Sun would burn in envy.

-Be an Capital City undergraduate whom falls for predatory NGO's which deliberately aim to convert young adolescents into political cultists with the most BS radical ideologies meant to set them to fail on every single criteria in life, so that at the end they would have no other choice but to quadruple down on the radical direction of their BS ideology.

-Genuinely consider to quit living once BBC announces the results of the elections in America (You live in Berlin).

Congrats, you got Vesko85 and that Rainbow-haired Femcel whom preaches on TV that ALL relationships between [a man and a woman] are various degrees of none-consencual grape and the only solution is to sterilize all men.

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TostBrot44@reddit

I just wish that these people would talk to just ONE person who experienced these artrocities and get first hand insights about the situation there.

Or that they personally experience the horrors every Palestinian experiences. I'm sure that they would change their minds then

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DM_ME_SALAH_GIFS@reddit

/r/thathappened

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Hopeful_Addition7834@reddit

What will you give me if I link you the video I took with my own phone?

Western devil.

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BardhyliX@reddit

Because most Balkan ppl don't use the internet like that.

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SupermarketSad9865@reddit

Well, it's the whole Eastern Europe that is lagging behind. Only Poland managed to pass the threshold then it's Greece and Slovenia.

Baltic states, Slovakia, Hungary and Czechia all have way below 20 %, which is less than Bulgaria and Romania for example. So central Europe is doing even worse than the Balkans.

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TostBrot44@reddit

Because they lack empathy.

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Vesko85@reddit

Because a large part of the Jews in Israel come precisely from the Balkans, and because, in general, our region has good relations with Israel. A large portion of the population likes Jews and is indifferent toward Palestine. For many people, Palestinians are seen as Arabs, who are not particularly liked.

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