What does it take to fly those small FedEx planes? Is it as competitive as being an airline pilot?
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Hi all. So I’m starting to set myself up for a career switch in in 5-10 years (so my mid - late 30s). I’ve always wanted to be a pilot but it would have been a tough move financially up until this point (without going into massive debt, of course). That said, this has started to change as of late and a PPL (and further ratings) are more and more in reach financially. Especially if I can eventually leverage them for a future career change.
I realize that if I go through with this plan, I’ll likely be too old to fly in the airlines (or at least not competitive). That said, I’ve always wondered who is flying those small FedEx Cessnas and what that career might be like. Are those roles as competitive as airline roles? Or will I still have an incredibly uphill battle as a late 30s career changer.
I’ll add that I want to become a pilot for fun / personal fulfillment purposes anyway, so I plan to pursue a license regardless of whether a career in aviation is realistic. Just trying to see if there’s even an avenue for turning it into a living with the timeline I’m imagining.
Thanks in advance for any insight.
prex10@reddit
Why would becoming a pilot in your kid to late 30s prevent you from being an airline pilot?
FedEx doesn't fly the small Caravans. Contractors do. Like a regional. Are they competitive to get hired at? No.
You'll be doing this;
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butterpig@reddit
Unfortunately, yes they are competitive now. I can’t even get a reply. Coming up on 2000tt
DankVectorz@reddit
They fly into/out of EWR daily. That can get exciting.
vanillanuttapped@reddit
When I flew them we would joke we were the fastest airplane inside the marker.
DankVectorz@reddit
Honestly that’s the hardest part of training for the Caravans here. People assume you gotta go in tight and leave a lot of space behind but it’s actually opposite fuse you catch the guy ahead inside the marker
Goop290@reddit
And one is 175 and va is 125-148. "150 or greater to finka" followed by "traffic ahead reported gains and losses of 15 to 20kts at 800ft"
MeatServo1@reddit
Not better in a BE99 at KSEA except you get two props to increase drag versus just the one.
XxVcVxX@reddit
the sea-geg run is long gone sadly. i could beat a e175 to 3 miles if they really wanted me to
Goop290@reddit
Think they do geg to bli now
New-Address-785@reddit
lol ISN... you must have been at corp air when they had 1900s🤣🤣
prex10@reddit
It's only been XWA for like 7 years...
spacedropper@reddit
I live an hour from FAR so that seems like a dream first turbine job to me lol.
RepresentativeOfnone@reddit
Seems like you know stuff is your ex company hiring?
prex10@reddit
I never worked there
H4ppenSt4nce@reddit
Is your ex company hiring?
UnfortunateSnort12@reddit
Most of my ex companies no longer exist…. :(
bhalter80@reddit
Don't forget PWM -> PQI and especially around the holidays PVD -> ACK
rigonavarro@reddit
Wiggins is that you!?
bhalter80@reddit
Nah I just know a guy
zman12804@reddit
Every day! Must be a boring route
bhalter80@reddit
One of my partners in the Baron works for CSA flying FedEx boxes he loves doing it
Extension_Device_926@reddit
Adhd
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
Wut
Extension_Device_926@reddit
Depression
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
Huh
Extension_Device_926@reddit
Hope you med fly doc or faa doesn't revoke your license for medicine issues. Seen it.
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
Hmm
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
I just want you to know this is maybe the funniest exchange I've seen on this sub in years
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
Yay
notagreatpilot@reddit
WHAT DID HE SAY?!?
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
It was just nonsense but the mods removed my fun :/
Extension_Device_926@reddit
Mental health issues Cancer Etc
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
Bruh
Extension_Device_926@reddit
Fuck me daddy
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
Yep
Extension_Device_926@reddit
Pm me. Im bottom usually
CloudBreakerZivs@reddit
Uh
huertamatt@reddit
Mid-late 30’s is not too late to start at the airlines. I’ve seen guys start at a regional at 60 years old. Mid to late 30’s is nothing. Don’t sell yourself short, if it’s something you really want to do.
Pristine-Ad983@reddit
There is a YouTube channel called Just Plane Silly. The host Brian became an airline pilot last year at 45.
JBalloonist@reddit
Yep and I’m pretty sure the Fly with the Trent guy is older than Brian.
Old_Man_in_Basic@reddit
Unfortunately Trent lost his First Class. I've been following him and waiting to hear how he's doing with his treatment.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Trent_Dyrsmid/
JBalloonist@reddit
Yeah I saw that. I think he posted an update a while back that he’s done with treatments and working on getting it back. But I don’t watch his channel often since I’m not (currently) the target audience.
zerotosixty3_5@reddit
31 just starting my journey as a Naval Aviator. You’re never too old. Keep going until someone tells you otherwise.
Flyingredditburner44@reddit
I swear the younger generation thinks you pretty much die when you reach 30.
VanBurenBoy16@reddit
If you get married at 30 it does. 😂
f1racer328@reddit
Maybe if you have a shitty partner
cptnpiccard@reddit
You don't die when you reach 30, it just feels like you're dead.
JSTootell@reddit
I physically peaked at about 40. And the downhill side is pretty gentle so far.
Still breaking bones mountain biking in my 40's. I'm not dead yet!
m4a785m@reddit
Probably social media and the stupid influencers that make them believe you’re supposed to own a home and a GT3 by 21
mfsp2025@reddit
There’s always that 27 year old on the 777 at United who posts stuff making kids think that’s the normal route lol
dogpoopfruitloops@reddit
Start your career with one simple trick: your dad works in the chief pilot's office, simple!
4Sammich@reddit
And get hired during the biggest, easiest hiring wave ever seen in aviation.
Occams_ElectricRazor@reddit
I'm about to turn 40 and I agree with the younger generation.
Candid-Inflation-129@reddit
Same!
LateralThinkerer@reddit
I've gone around twice (and then some) and I'm not sure they're wrong.
srbmfodder@reddit
I wonder if people are dead ending at jobs/careers. I started in IT and pretty much hit my peak late 30s. Career was ramping up, I was learning non stop, and kept finding better jobs. I leveled out over my 30s and there weren't really any places to go for me without a really long drive (hour) commute.
I did the career change, but I was a National Guard pilot with a bunch of helicopter hours and could hold an RATP after I did a couple hundred hours in airplanes.
As much as I want to tell people to "go for it," with how saturated the market is right now, it won't be worth it to everyone.
Dazzling-Penalty-751@reddit
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andrewrbat@reddit
Flying smaller planes would be considered an entry level job. Contractors such as mountain air cargo operate them on behalf of FedEx. These would be considered stepping stone jobs on the way to a major cargo airline, like ups or FedEx, or a passenger airline.
Galactic_Dolphin@reddit
Just to clarify on this, the FedEx feeders are a stepping stone, but not the last stop before going to any major cargo or passenger airline. I’d expect to go to a regional airline first before getting to the majors.
Goop290@reddit
This is kinda correct. You can definitely make it a career. Home every night solid 5 day a week schedule. But it doesnt make you very valuable to airlines or big 121 ops until you have either 500 twin time or go to the atr 121 and get 1000 Pic. Whick can take like 7 years
Galactic_Dolphin@reddit
Yeah I should’ve said if they’re being used as a stepping stone, I wouldn’t expect to go from a caravan to a legacy. They seem like a solid career long option if it fits into the QoL that one is after.
andrewrbat@reddit
There was an MAC atr captain in my legacy newhire class but i agree its probably not as easy to go straight to a major from there these days.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
So what does it require? Commercial? Or ATP?
Goop290@reddit
Looks up 135 ifr requirements. Its a regular like all the others. Ive heard they prefer hiring cfis, or people that fly ifr vs pipeline or 135vfr
andrewrbat@reddit
Mountain air cargo’s website has all this info. They require a commercial for either seat in the the 208 and 408. Atr fo requires a commercial. Atr ca requires atp.
Canikfan434@reddit
Labcorp has a fleet of PC-12s they use to transport specimens & such; LifeSouth operates Caravans (maybe other types too?) Just a heads up that there are options out there I hadn’t realized existed until I’d heard them on the frequency. Kept hearing a “Skylab” callsign- turned out to be Labcorp. A month or so ago heard a LifeSouth (blood donation org) Caravan coming into HSV ahead of a line of storms with about a 240kt ground speed. Even the controllers commented they’d “never seen a Caravan do 240 before!”😂
Goop290@reddit
There was some sort of pet transport caravan i cannot remember the call of too!
Accomplished_Good792@reddit
Labcorp has to have at least 1 opening after their RWY incursion at SDF
Diver_Driver@reddit
Dude I started flying in my mid 30s and am about to start flying the 777 at a legacy. You have plenty of time left.
airlineuser@reddit
Thanks for this. 33 and just got my comm-Multi feeling like I’m “behind” lol
Accomplished_Good792@reddit
Same. 35 and about to take my IFR checkride and I'm 93% sure I'm the oldest at my part 61 flight school...including students and instructors lol
Able_Engine_9515@reddit
I'm 42 with barely 30hrs logged and regionals have my #. I think you'll be fine
tdrizzy_@reddit
Cross post this in r/fedexers
Lanky-Rabbit8694@reddit
Those jobs are a pretty sweet way to build time to get to another job or just have a life. I did AirNet for a few years made a decent living compared to the rj jobs at the time. Night cargo isn’t for most people but it will make you a great ifr pilot.
pylotsven@reddit
The younger generation doesn’t know what it’s like to fly for the regionals for 15 years before getting to a major (all while enduring 2 bankruptcies and a merger)…and a starting pay of $19/hour.
flyingforfun3@reddit
There’s pilots in training now that don’t realize they will be at a regional their whole career. It happens.
No_Pollution2292@reddit
Not if they go to a regional with a flow like mq
latedescent@reddit
Flow has never been 100%
No_Pollution2292@reddit
No one has ever been denied a flow from what I heard.
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
You've heard wrong.
Plenty of airlines have had their flow agreements yanked over the years. I know twos separate guys who had "guaranteed" jobs with Northwest that never happened.
No_Pollution2292@reddit
Americans flow is contractual though after you serve one year as a captain. It’s not like aviators flow where United can constantly change the requirements
flyingforfun3@reddit
You know a downturn can happen and new worse contracts can be negotiated? Or if things are bad enough they just won’t do it? Nothing is ever guaranteed
latedescent@reddit
The flow crowd is full of smug folks who think they have a guaranteed job and nothing can go wrong. I’ve met more than one over the years.
Fancy_o_lucas@reddit
Tons of people deny the flow. Top of the CA seniority list and taking a 50% pay cut when you flow makes staying at MQ pretty attractive to certain people.
Bunslow@reddit
Sounds better than CFIing for ten years at $19/hr (which is worth a lot less than it used to be)
latedescent@reddit
Or single pilot cancelled checks for 8-9 legs a night in a clapped out baron for 22k
vanillanuttapped@reddit
I took that job and was making more than my friends flying RJs!
Best job I ever had (that I never want to do again).
latedescent@reddit
Same & same
kabekew@reddit
On the midnight shift
pylotsven@reddit
Amen - my wife had a friend that flew Barons around with cancelled checks around the Illinois area.
AdParticular3832@reddit
I got out of the Air Force in my 30s and joined an airline. It’s not too late.
PilotBurner44@reddit
I flew for one of those FedEx Feeders as a Caravan captain during COVID after being (indefinitely) furloughed from an airline.
It's not nearly as competitive as the 121 airlines, especially the majors. Our outfit had either young and new pilots looking to build time and move on, or old guys who aged out of the airlines or ones who couldn't cut it in a jet, so there is a lot of turn over as pilots move on or medical out.
It was a good gig for the time, but the repetition and lack of growth, movement, and pay made me not want to stay. Plus I knew what airline life was like.
Lots of goods. Home every night or nearly every night. Not a lot of delays usually, and a predictable and consistent schedule. Single pilot, so you aren't stuck in a box with a weirdo. Lots of free time at the outstations with a crew car and hotel. I went out and did stuff most days, be it hiking, surfing, mountain biking, etc. Relatively easy flying. The caravan is an insanely easy and forgiving airplane that is a jack of all trades. It really is a big 172. Routes are predictable and repetitive, so you're not constantly being challenged (can also be bad). Fedex did a great job of keeping the aircraft properly maintained.
Lots of bad. Early morning shows and flights. Lots of waiting around and standing outside watching freight being loaded onto your aircraft. Kinda sucks in the winter when it's cold, windy, raining, and dark. You might end up having to fuel and/or deice your own aircraft. Not much support from "dispatch", so you calculate your own weight and balance, fuel, route and weather, including filing alternates and deriving alternate minimums. Single pilot, so if/when shit hits the fan, there's no one to help you out, you get to be the rock star or the guppy. Caravan isn't exactly comfortable. It's not torture, but the seat leaves something to be desired. Unless you're changing bases within the company, your route choices are pretty limited, so you see the same thing over and over. My outfit had a handful of oldies that had their preferred routes, so oftentimes I was flying the same 2-3 routes despite their being 7. We had to arrive early and wait for FedEx to unload the big aircraft and sort the freight before loading ours. This meant hanging out every morning with the same pilots, waiting for freight. Sometimes it got old hearing the same stories, same arguments, same BS, especially from the old guys that couldn't make it at the airlines and had a chip on their shoulder. Because of the high turnover, they tend to always be understaffed, so more work than it should be. Not much room to grow or change, and pay, which isn't terrible, is pretty stagnant. Sometimes you'll fly fish or mushrooms or something else that smells awful. Those flights sucked. You'll get pushback from the company and/or especially the outstation FedEx drivers, who unload and load your aircraft, to push the limits and legalities. This can be especially difficult with the old pilots who don't care and let anything fly, so when you push back the drivers get pissy. Also, complacency is a real bitch at these places.
The being home every night and having a predictable schedule was nice, but the thought of doing the same exact thing 5 days a week for the next 40+ years of my life, and for what they were paying, didn't work for me. It was a good COVID gig, but I'm glad I moved on.
Regional airlines will gladly hire someone in their 30s and 40s, and I imagine most majors would too. All this of course depends on the current status of the industry and airline hiring.
Currently regional life is great. The pay is fantastic and the quality of life has gotten a lot better than what it used to be pre-covid. That said, there's no guarantee it'll stay that way, this industry is always swinging one way or another. Being a lifer at a regional isn't a terrible life, but it can also be hard in the long run. I'd choose it over the FedEx feeder life personally. Oh yeah, when I was at the FedEx feeder they had the purple pathway program or whatever it was called that allowed the feeder pilots to flow to FedEx proper and fly jets for them. A grand total of 1 whole pilot made it when I left. Maybe more have now, but it definitely seems like a scam to get pilots in the door at the feeders.
Difficult-Put9586@reddit
FedEx pilots are airline pilots. FedEx operates its own airline within the United States.
twistenstein@reddit
30s are fine, and there are plenty of guys flying this gig for the joy of it. It sure isn't the paycheck, since it doesn't beat inflation. It does beat CFI pay, but you're going to need 1200TT at least, so no side-stepping CFIng or another job.
They're competitive now in the sense that every pilot job is competitive, not in that you need 3 moon landings.
New hires I spoke with were either internal recommendations, or had previous turbine time.
Ramrod489@reddit
Every military pilot that joins the airlines does so in their mid-thirties.
Several-Village5814@reddit
But military pilots can go straight to a legacy of major airline. He’ll he getting 1500 hours in his mid 30s and flying for a regional in his 40s.
Da_hoodest_hoodrat@reddit
Not a great comparison lol. Mil guys are flying as early as 21 years old out of the academy. On other hand we’re all in agreement 30s is not too late
PlaneShenaniganz@reddit
Here you go. Best of luck!
Affectionate_Aspect4@reddit
I know a pilot who instructed from 20 to 30, then became ATC controller, and retired. Then went on to fly those FedEx caravans. He did that until he couldn't anymore, and went back to instructing and he's 75.
Did vans make him rich? No, but he was a captain for a good while and got to fulfill a childhood dream, even after having a successful first career.
It's not about final step of a 787, it's about the path in-between.
Are there some rich ass kids who are 23 at a regional already, that you'll be competing with one day? Yes absolutely, and a lot of them. That doesn't mean you can't get in. If you want a sure route, you'll instruct until you can get into a 135, and you'll have your multi in hand. Then you'll fly for that 135 until you're able to apply to a regional, and then you'll fly at that regional for 5, 7, 10 years, hell you might do it until 65 because some are starting to pay captains $165-$200k and that's liveable, but anyway, if not then you'll get your major, legacy, or low cost carrier spot and you'll be happy.
To me? Shit, if I can get into a regional by 40, I'll be happy. I'm 30. I don't have rapid expectations and I'm not chasing a buck. I just want the career, and to fly shit I can't afford 😂
ChrisCanadian_@reddit
Just moved from the 208 to the 757 up here in Canada. My route was YVR to either YCD or YYJ. Super sweet job, flight time was about 15-25 mins and I was home by 11am. Truly an amazing quality of life job. I now fly the 757 out of YYZ for FedEx and it’s just as great, maybe 6 or 7 days a month of work.
flyingforfun3@reddit
I had a student make the switch in his 40s. He’s at a legacy now.
EliteEthos@reddit
Your ATP
bhalter80@reddit
You can do it with a CPL at 135 mins
Skyhawk_26@reddit
Have you had a discovery flight yet? If not, that would be the first place to start.
I knew a guy in the same position as you, similar age, and when he got up in a 172, he couldn't handle it and was air sick. Happened every time for him.
Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit
Your 30’s aren’t too late
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
12 years ago you needed 2,500TT (hard requirement) to fly for a fedex feeder. I don't think that will happen again but nothing is impossible.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
Hi all. So I’m starting to set myself up for a career switch in in 5-10 years (so my mid - late 30s). I’ve always wanted to be a pilot but it would have been a tough move financially up until this point (without going into massive debt, of course). That said, this has started to change as of late and a PPL (and further ratings) are more and more in reach financially. Especially if I can eventually leverage them for a future career change.
I realize that if I go through with this plan, I’ll likely be too old to fly in the airlines (or at least not competitive). That said, I’ve always wondered who is flying those small FedEx Cessnas and what that career might be like. Are those roles as competitive as airline roles? Or will I still have an incredibly uphill battle as a late 30s career changer.
I’ll add that I want to become a pilot for fun / personal fulfillment purposes anyway, so I plan to pursue a license regardless of whether a career in aviation is realistic. Just trying to see if there’s even an avenue for turning it into a living with the timeline I’m imagining.
Thanks in advance for any insight.
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