Abrupt turn mid-Pacific
Posted by Orwells_Roses@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 127 comments
I just finished a long flight across the Pacific, and halfway through we appear to have made a maneuver that doesn’t make sense to me. I took a picture of the flight map, and I’m wondering if it was just a glitch with the tracking software, or if there is some reason this would happen mid flight.
CassiCatto@reddit
Weather or turbulence based evasion wiggle?
Known-Associate8369@reddit
Or they were asked to increase spacing to the aircraft ahead of them, or slow down their arrival at the airport by a few minutes.
Stoney3K@reddit
Wouldn't they just get instructed to step climb to overtake in that case?
Known-Associate8369@reddit
Might be further traffic ahead in those slots.
Allaplgy@reddit
Interesting. I literally had this same question yesterday. I was in central Oregon and saw two contrails in a similar pattern a few miles apart, so called up a flight tracker. Both were flights from CA to Washington, doing a slight east, then big westward arc. It was right over some of the Cascade peaks, so maybe avoiding turbulence from the warming mountains? Or delay into SEA? Other flights going different directions over the same area hadn't deviated, so I'm gonna guess the latter is more likely.
ham_fx@reddit
Central Oregon (Redmond Airport) can have miserable turbulence so it might have just been avoidance.
Allaplgy@reddit
I believe that too. It was pretty much directly over the Three Sisters on a warm day following a cold, snowy spell. Seems like a recipe for unsettled air.
Orwells_Roses@reddit (OP)
This seems like a reasonable explanation.
CassiCatto@reddit
Makes sense, thankies 😽
Suspicious-Visit8634@reddit
Whole new meaning of air dropping
qtpss@reddit
The odd thing is, doing a wiggle without the obligatory waggle. 🤔
JazznBlues_lover@reddit
Here ya go.
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mayankistaken@reddit
Bro just performed a clearing turn for his power off stall
rendezvousnz@reddit
It appears to be a weather deviation. The FR24 track shows some smaller (less obvious) ones prior to Kiribati too.
Stewietheurge500@reddit
Pilot here, there’s been an unusual notam for “falling rocket debris from the Russian federation” off the coast of California this week that’s over the California to Hawaii tracks, causing some reroutes. Could be the reason for your route change. I’ve flown the tracks several times this week and got a reroute myself when it popped up.
multic94@reddit
Im not doubting you, I actually believe you because you as a pilot are privy to information that I am not. But upon further research I couldnt find anything at all about rocket debris from Russia falling off the coast of california. Very interesting. Again, I dont doubt you. But its interesting that information like that isnt being reported on. Par for the course with this administration.
bigcitydreaming@reddit
You don't need to be a pilot to be privvy, it's easily searchable on Google.
Here is the hazard notice in question:
NAVAREA XII 241/26. NORTH PACIFIC. 1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS 2100Z TO 1600Z DAILY 13 THRU 29 APR IN AREAS BOUND BY: A. 33-06.05N 128-42.07W, 32-50.48N 127-12.41W, 28-19.72N 128-15.70W, 28-36.02N 129-37.43W. B. 38-46.76N 172-48.64W, 38-15.70N 170-15.70W, 31-07.28N 172-31.87W, 31-32.10N 174-48.60W. 2. CANCEL THIS MSG 301700Z APR 26.
Pappa_Bjorn@reddit
Recently they’ve been doing a bunch of launches for a domestic Russian replacement to starlink since Elon blocked it and they became really reliant on it in the war. They’re also doing some reroutes for a possible future station and have started to revive their space based icbm countermeasures and satellite killers since the US is doing this with their ”space force” right now.
Since it’s mid-pacific it’s likely just routine de-orbited re-entry leftovers which happens all the time and thus wouldn’t be in the news at all.
Quouar@reddit
That said, this is an Air New Zealand plane 5 hours out from its destination, so I'd guess it's well south of both California and Hawaii. Would that still be close enough to be impacted by space debris?
JohnHazardWandering@reddit
The ocean between Chile and New Zealand is a frequent target when deorbiting satellites and other debris because there's nobody there.
Perhaps it was related or perhaps it was a different, but this happened in the area were it's most common to happen.
Orwells_Roses@reddit (OP)
That seems… sub-optimal.
Chronigan2@reddit
More sub-orbital...
katet_of_19@reddit
More like sub-... no, I think those 2 cover it
davesauce96@reddit
Well, submarine once the debris hits the water, I would imagine.
kosmonavt-alyosha@reddit
There are more planes in the sea than there are submarines in the sky!
AngstyMop@reddit
I would enjoy seeing a sky submarine.
tacocat_racecarlevel@reddit
The Planet Express ship from Futurama qualifies imo, when they go to Atlanta
Leelze@reddit
Source?
kosmonavt-alyosha@reddit
WeekendWarriorRC@reddit
Classified
Leelze@reddit
Fair enough.
Haldron-44@reddit
Well... We haven't left one up there yet 🤷♂️
kneebroplz@reddit
Wrong sub
Chronigan2@reddit
Hah!
ChinaCatProphet@reddit
Ill_Following_7022@reddit
De-Orbital.
seaburno@reddit
Becoming sub-marine
KennyGaming@reddit
Really not a big deal though. Routine stuff
Working-Ad2985@reddit
Seeing this as I board my flight from SFO to Kauai is scary
gefahr@reddit
One in a million shot
GooseDentures@reddit
Probably even less.
gefahr@reddit
One in a two million shot.
spacenglish@reddit
How close are these, like, do you have - a minute, 5 minutes to act? How well are these debris tracked/monitored, especially over the ocean?
GhostRunner01@reddit
These can be hours to weeks in advance. It depends on lots of factors but generally an estimated reentry time over an area (with significant safety margin) can be calculated way in advance. Occasionally there's less notice but the chance of an impact is still astronomically low. The Space Force does a good job of tracking and reporting debris
xdubyagx@reddit
Then comes Kosmos-482 within a zone somewhere between ~52° North and 52° South latitude. Then the re-entry time had hours of uncertainty that put the impact zone in a couple of continents.
Carribeantimberwolf@reddit
So space trash
Humble-Cantaloupe-73@reddit
NZ90 Narita . Auckland
Orwells_Roses@reddit (OP)
Close!
AKL-SFO
Humble-Cantaloupe-73@reddit
Weird then, coz the 16/4/2026 NZ90 did something similair
Elegant_Situation285@reddit
it's how they get the glober hoax to match up with the actual flat earth, further keeping us in the dark about the Truth.
/s
NexSacerdos@reddit
When was this because if this was two weeks ago I know exactly what this was.
Angry_Wookie@reddit
My flight on Thursday had two of these, I just assumed it was for spacing.
duggatron@reddit
Looks like you weren't cleared for Louisiana airspace /s
vicmichaels@reddit
SFO is on two runways due to construction, so there are lots of delay vectors on TransPacs. Did this yesterday coming in from Hawaii.
ebs757@reddit
This is 100% not delay vectors for SFO 🤦♂️
Ok-Farmer-7361@reddit
im nobody, but would you prefer to do delay loops in the air very very close to the coast at the end instead of ... over the middle of Pacific Ocean?
lbutler1234@reddit
I'm under the impression that they'll have a plane take an oblong route to line up with capacity/timeslots, but I assume that sort of thing is planned ahead of time and/or wouldn't result in an abrupt turn.
I think the other guy's "Russian shit is falling from space" theory is more plausible.
Paranoma@reddit
Yes you are right and this person is wrong.
Paranoma@reddit
Nope. You’re not getting delay vectors in Class II airspace.
Orwells_Roses@reddit (OP)
I wasn’t aware of delay vectors but it makes sense.
vicmichaels@reddit
They eliminated some side-by-side approaches after the crash at National, so capacity is really limited at SFO causing lots of inbound delay vectors
bleeper21@reddit
Meow
johnmatzek@reddit
Meow
lbutler1234@reddit
This comment thread is reserved for emergencies only
bleeper21@reddit
Woof
AdoringCHIN@reddit
sad meow
CreakingDoor@reddit
“Conn, Sonar, Crazy Ivan!”
Crackerpuppy@reddit
Give me one ping, Vasily….one ping only, please.
dashdriver@reddit
Somewhere deep….somewhere deep….
stranger_dngr@reddit
Which way did he turn?
dashdriver@reddit
To the starboard sir!!
GrayRoberts@reddit
"Russian skippers are known to turn unexpectedly to clear their baffles. They call the maneuver 'Crazy Ivan.'
_The_Bearded_Wonder_@reddit
Shum thingsh here don't react too well to bulletsh
dashdriver@reddit
Buckaroo
Specialist_Reality96@reddit
Your aircraft have dropped so many sonar buoys an man can walk from Greenland to Iceland to Scotland without getting his feet wet.
dashdriver@reddit
A god damn cook????
gh8xs8ee@reddit
Paganini was a composer.
dashdriver@reddit
Now shall we dispense with the bull?
Nar1117@reddit
Including one way the hell out at Pearl!
dashdriver@reddit
How do you get the men off of a nuclear submarine???
cmmatthews@reddit
Give me a ping, Vasili. One ping only.
dashdriver@reddit
You’ve lost another submarine?
Recent_Mirror@reddit
I would have liked to have seen Montana
DanIsACyclingFool@reddit
Actually, I think I will need two wives.
dashdriver@reddit
Jack boy!
Lancaster1983@reddit
Conn - Sonar Crazy Ivan!
s6cedar@reddit
Which way’s he turning, Jonesy?
nAssailant@reddit
To the starboard, sir!
jrdubbleu@reddit
Always turns to starboard at the bottom of the hour
dashdriver@reddit
Perhaps
Iridul@reddit
Must have been the bottom half of the hour
RandoorRandolfs@reddit
He needed a break
dashdriver@reddit
I would have liked to have seen Montana
pilotmw@reddit
Airline pilot here…
Not sure where you were or going…. That being said, there are PACOTS routes that airlines use to cross the Pacific. OCEANIC for the Atantic. WATRS for Western Atlantic. While on these routes, VHF radio doesn’t work so we use HF radio. There is also no radar coverage for most of the journey. So unlike when over the States where we can ask air traffic control for deviations around weather, we have to use something called SLOP (strategic lateral offset procedure). Basically we are allowed to offset the assigned track a certain set of miles as long as we rejoin the track by the last fix on the route. This enables aircraft to fly a route and make its own deviations without interfering with other aircraft while not in radar coverage. And if we deviate a certain distance, usually 5miles, we then have to climb or descend a few hundred feet (depending on direction of flight) to as ensure both vertical and lateral separation from aircraft on the same track. Based on that photo and you saying you were crossing the ocean, I’d bet your pilots were performing SLOP to avoid possible weather ahead.
You can read about it here. Probably better explained than what I typed out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lateral_offset_procedure
Original_Ratio@reddit
International date line
daredevil11@reddit
Swerving to miss a pothole.
1chicken2nuggets@reddit
Dodging an ibm or a drone?
lbutler1234@reddit
I did hear that a certain company have manufactured way too many computers in the 1980s.
ThrowAwayObvious4151@reddit
Apparently space junk. So you’re not totally off.
dreamniner@reddit
I mainly cross the Atlantic and have only done flights to Hawaii when I cross the pacific…but could it be the flight crew SLOPing?
LongjumpingActive497@reddit
I have spent hours of my life working traffic over the pacific (as air traffic controller). This is either a deviation requested by pilots or an offset issued by controllers. Deviations are usually requested to avoid weather. Offsets are assigned by controllers to provide lateral separation when other types of separation may not be available. This is quite rare so probably a deviation requested by the pilot to avoid weather.
Makas18@reddit
Hours isnt very long haha
doubletaxed88@reddit
If you are heading west he might have been looking for the jet stream
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ForkzUp@reddit
Clearly heading east.
doubletaxed88@reddit
He didn’t explain what direction he was going
ForkzUp@reddit
Look at the screenshot. The plane is moving left, i.e., east.
doubletaxed88@reddit
oh right sorry my bad, I got my west and east turned round LOL
XxYoungGunxX@reddit
The pilot prob forgot his passport again, no big deal /s
colin8651@reddit
Getting out of the way for US or other war ships.
No_Wish_99@reddit
It’s likely a terrible gps signal… possibly a route change to a different airway. I only have one question… but did you die?
HuronMountaineer@reddit
Those are two turns dumbass
Unique_Blacksmith_80@reddit
Stop being a smart-ass, dumbass.
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CalculatorClicker@reddit
That's enough Reddit for the day there bud.
gappletwit@reddit
We did something similar a week ago over the Bay of Bengal on route to CGK from IST.
Ayeele_@reddit
We did this over iraq.. but it was russians spoofing our gps.
trubol@reddit
Had to dodge Godzilla
iluvme99@reddit
Could it be a delay vector?
velosnow@reddit
No radar vectors oceanic and usually it's more of a reduction in mach speed than a turn over the tracks. Possibly a new clearance to a slightly changed route/track but not an ATC delay in the radar sense.
I'd wager this one was a weather deviation, but all the same nothing to worry about OP.
I-LOVE-TURTLES666@reddit
Just a wiggle
Heavy_Team7922@reddit
pull up the flight on a flight tracker app and see what happened
Zapatos-Grande@reddit
Possibly a weather deviation.
1776cookies@reddit
Yeah, I would think navigation - GPS or whatever getting a fix. Or perhaps "Fuck! There's that whale again!"
CassiCatto@reddit
😹