Bulgaria: Pro-Russian Radev set to win parliamentary vote
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questionnmark@reddit
Hey, perhaps a thought, maybe they can approve that 90 billion Euro loan to Ukraine as soon as possible, rather, rather than risking it being vetoed by a different country? Also as a bonus, maybe move to say a 90% consensus, rather than letting countries just veto things they don’t like?
imunfair@reddit
You're assuming they actually want to gift Ukraine another 90b Euros, it's more convenient for them if they can just hate on some country for "spoiling" their plans, look noble, and still keep the money for their own defense.
TomTomXD1234@reddit
I mean, they all voted to give the 90 billion apart from Hungary....I don't think anyone is trying not to give the 90 billion.
It is easy as an american to say what you say. It is entirely different for the EU countries that border russia and may be attacked next. The EU most definitely prefers to give the 90 billion to Ukraine (mostly frozen Russian assets), and actually cause physical damage to russia, than to "keep" it.
There is also the fact that the 90 billion isnt just sitting in some magic account that can be taken from at any time. Any EU country who would like the money for themselves would need to vote for it lol.
Socraman@reddit
Don't waste your time with this MAGAt in the future.
imunfair@reddit
That's the game - Hungary was playing the bad guy on everything. It's like dogs that are really rowdy and loud when there's a gate preventing anything from actually happening.
We'll see if it goes through, they'd be stupid to do it but I won't be surprised if they do, they've shot themselves in the foot many times before. But there's an equal chance that someone else steps up to be "the bad guy", as has happened with other Ukraine issues like them wanting to join NATO.
TomTomXD1234@reddit
Change in Ukrainian leadership was one of the main reasons they didn't become part of NATO in the early 2000s.
Of course, after 2014 NATO membership was a bit hard to achieve with Russia actively attacking the country.
Even the most pro-NATO countries knew that Ukraine joining NATO while in conflict was never going to happen as the risk of NATO going to war with Russia was too great. The risk of WW3 far outweighs the benefits of Ukraine joining NATO.
imunfair@reddit
I'm not talking about a decade ago, I'm talking about in the last four years. No one actually wants Ukraine in NATO, aside from maybe some idiotic baltic states that are inconsequential to the decision.
The ones making the decisions in the EU aren't die hard Ukraine supporters, they're stringing Ukraine along indefinitely. At times they've even said it isn't going to happen, but Zelensky has trouble hearing any message that he doesn't like, so he continues to play the gullible good boy in hopes that he can turn the No into a Yes with enough cajoling.
TomTomXD1234@reddit
Of course NATO membership isn't going to happen now lol. Everyone knows that.
Ukraine joining NATO would theoretically trigger WW3. Even Zelensky knows that.
Receiving billions in military funding while killing hundreds of thousands of Russians with cheap drones is the next best thing - hence the need for the 90 billion.
What alternative is there for Ukraine in your opinion? Submit to Russian aggression. I doubt you, as an American, would think submitting to Russia is the right call lol
imunfair@reddit
That's why he wants it, and has turned down NATO-lite agreements that don't give him article 5 rights. But I was talking about ever - even if Ukraine could survive the war they're not going to be allowed into NATO after its over.
You would be wrong. They should have surrendered at the start of the war, but Zelensky's ego wouldn't allow it, so he decided to fight an unwinnable war that would kill 400k+ and counting Ukrainian men and even after the slim hope of a successful summer offensive failed he continued to snub negotiations.
I honestly don't know how Ukrainians haven't rioted in the streets by now, government is supposed to be by the people for the people, not some feudal system where people get sent to their death against their will to prolong the tenure of a useless government.
Practical-Pea-1205@reddit
What makes you think Russia would have stopped the war if Zelensky had agreed to a deal in 2022? Russia was supposed to withdraw all troups according the deal that was signed with Georgia in 2008. But eighteen years later that still hasn't.
imunfair@reddit
The gaffe the guy in the Duma made when they were first discussing Donbas - at the time the item on the table was securing independence for them and he said something about integrating them into Russia, and Putin reprimanded him. Basically he gave away the game on what the goal was at the time.
Then once they actually invaded the goal had shifted to 4 oblasts, which we know because they ran faux referendums on them similar to their Crimea operation. None of this has been secret or sly. You can argue that the peace wouldn't have been permanent - and sure maybe they would have come back to attack in another 8 years, but a leader with any sort of intelligence and foresight would have realized they had no option but to play nice and hope that Russia left them alone as Russia has done with Georgia. Unfortunately Zelensky is rather lacking in the attributes required to be a leader.
TomTomXD1234@reddit
Its always easy for Americans to say "should just surrender".
That is the equivalent of Mexico taking over texas and you just accepting it. They have a historical right to it after all.
imunfair@reddit
It's more akin to if Texas seceded and then 30 years later the US decided they were going to reintegrate Texas, by force if necessary. They speak the same language, they haven't been their own country for very long, and in reality not much would change if Ukraine was reintegrated, certainly not worth 400k dead Ukrainians especially when that was the most predictable outcome ever if you know anything about history and Russian warfare. Zelensky was dumb for getting himself into that situation when he had half a dozen offramps to avoid being where he is now.
PartySr@reddit
This government won't survive that long anyway, and I doubt that Bulgaria will go against EU, even with a pro Russia government. This is not their first Pro Russia government after all.
TheSamuil@reddit
Bulgarian here. I didn't vote for Radev as his stance on the adoption of the euro wasn't one I could agree with. Back when he was president, he was advocating for a referendum whether we should adopt it or not. This is just not how the Treaties work. Otherwise, I don't disapprove of him. The average Bulgarian has getting rid of GERB (Citizens for European Development of Bulgaria, Borisov's party, the corrupt guys who have been in power for most of the 2010s) and DPS (Movement for Rights and Freedoms, Peevski's party, the masters of buying the votes of ethnic minorities).
In spite of my voting for Continue the Change, I'd like to complain how the Bulgarian subreddits were overran by anti-Radev bots of theirs. I understand it as the two parties compete for the same voters, folks who hate Peevski and Borisov, but it was annoying nonetheless. I almost considered voting for Radev out of spite.
As for Radev being pro-Russia, I'd point out that he is a NATO general. Nevertheless, I can easily understand how Continue the Change being more strongly anti-Russia would be a big turn-off for many a Bulgarian. I mean, Ukraine joining the EU would be bad for the Union by virtue of the impact they'd have on the Common Agricultural Policy
Da_reason_Macron_won@reddit
So what is the context? Is this Pro-Russia (actually Pro-Russia) or "Pro-Russia" (just not actively antagonizing them)?
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mladokopele@reddit
Pro-russia, as he was "introduced" into Bulgarian politics in 2015 by an ex kgb general. Radev himself has never openly criticized Russia, avoided referring to the war in Ukraine as a war, and casually sides with far right propaganda every now and then like when he tried to support a (constitutionally illegal) referendum against our adoption of the Euro and entering the Euro zone..
There's a lot more but I'll stop here, here's some sources:
(Bulgarian)https://www.mediapool.bg/rumen-radev---ot-choveka-na-reshetnikov-do-alternativa-na-borisov-i-geshev-video-news327442.html
(English)https://en.corruptionbg.eu/the-Radev-doctrine/
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