Responsibility for aging parents and strained relationships
Posted by Responsible_Claim_91@reddit | GenX | View on Reddit | 37 comments
Seeking advice from my wise peer group.
My (48F) aging parents 72 (mom) and 71 (dad) live approximately 8 hours away. I retired from the military a few years ago and have no intentions on moving back to my home state.
Significant family issues, neglect, strained relationships. My brother (46) no longer talks to my parents because of their terrible marriage, my father's affair 20 years ago, and many shitty things from our childhood.
My mom and I are close and talk often. Our relationship has had some bumps along the way and I have filled the parentified daughter role for a good chunk of my life, which has been fairly awful in its own right. I have accepted certain family issues as both of my parents faced significant abuse in their childhood and likely should have never had children.
I know in my heart that I will do what is needed if and when my mother falls ill as she ages.
I'm struggling with the issue of supporting my father. He was angry, critical, rarely home, had a 7 year affair on my mother. His behavior is indicative of a man who is not very remorseful or aware of how his actions have affected our family and each of us. I hear from him via text on my birthday (sometimes) and also on Christmas to say thanks for gifts I send him. He makes no effort to stay in touch, or maintain a relationship with me. I can only surmise he didn't like being our father, having a family, or thought us being in his life made his awful, but he might never admit it. He is self-deprecating and self-absorbed about himself any time we have talked.
He still neglects my mother and is dismissive, disrespectful and treats her fairly poorly. She will never leave him.
I have been heartbroken over his behavior (and how he treats my mother as well) and lack of care essentially my whole life, but now feel guilt that I resent him so much and don't want to take care of him. I have tried separating his relationship with my mother from how I feel, but I can't look past him mistreating her. She wasnt perfect, but was kind and loyal to him.
Not sure how to navigate this and I havent found the answers in therapy. I'm no longer willing to accept the excuse "he did the best he could" because having children and a family requires more than paying a mortgage and utilities (my mother worked full time and did essentially all home/family/child rearing).
I'm of the opinion that when you know better, you do better.
I have a giant hole in my heart filled with guilt, love, resentment and just don't know what to do with this mess.
Happy to take advice you wise folks have relied on in your lives to navigate this. Please be kind as this is a giant wound for me.
TrickQuiet9630@reddit
i have similar feelings towards my father, a verbally and physically abusive, narcissistic alcoholic. i grew up in fear of his unpredictable rages, bruises, abrasions and broken bones were a staple of my youth. and like yours, i know my father was repeating the messed up parenting he'd received from his dad.
i moved out one week after my 18th birthday, but i sent cards and gifts for every holiday and called a couple times per month, because that's what family does. but after mom moved out, it became really clear that i was the only one making an effort.
and like you, decided 'that when you know better, you do better.' instead of repeating his behavior, i did a 180. the best thing he ever gave me was an example of how not to be act. and then i realized i was trying to earn his respect because i bought into the myth that parents automatically have unconditional love for their kids, and if he wasn't giving me that, there must be something wrong with me. some parents are mike and carol brady, and some are harry and zinnia wormwood, just luck of the draw.
after seeing him as just some guy, i was able to admit i didn't even like him. he's the blowhard at the bar you don't even make eye contact with. i stopped reaching out 12 years ago, we haven't spoken since, and i couldn't be more at peace.
your situation is a little more complicated as you parents are still together. but from your postings, your parents seem to be living independently. your father has already told you he doesn't want to discuss the matter, respect that. but start looking into home health care programs in their area. medicare will provide it in some instances when medically necessary, but check with their state's medical insurance. if you're lucky, they live under a more generous plan.
check with local charitable groups, senior centers or churches, there are some who will provide transportation to and from appointments, some that still deliver food. contact social services to find out what other programs are available. if you start doing the groundwork now, it may relieve some of the stress and anxiety.
and if there is a local senior center, encourage your mom to get involved in some way. or if she's religious, gently nudge her to become an active member at a church, temple,, etc. or volunteer at the library or an animal shelter. maybe by expanding her social circle, she'll become a little more independent of her husband .
aloha mālama pono (with kindness and compassion, take care of yourself)
Even-Net7997@reddit
Going through similar - it’s hard. I (58f) love my parents, but my parents always did whatever they wanted and what was best for them not the five kids. They will take anything and everything the kids are willing to give, to the point of cratering our lives if we let it happen. I was always the most responsible, so I have to pace myself and set limits now that they need a lot of help. I’m also former military and have a deep sense of duty, so I allow myself to do things I don’t have to do or probably shouldn’t do, to honor my own sense of honor. We all have to be able to live with ourselves, right?
One thing that has eased my anxiety about all of this is getting concrete information about their care plans and last wishes – – all the necessary legal documents, directives, what care they’re entitled to, etc. It wasn’t easy. The sicker parent has been extremely grateful, while the healthier one tells everyone I am mean and abusive. Don’t care, I make my choices.
Also, I no longer read any of the social media slop about narcissism, toxic family members, lies, etc. Have you gone down that rabbit hole? It all happened a long time ago, cannot be fixed, and they will never change. Try to let the past go if you can. Whatever it takes – – a retreat with fires to burn things, therapy, Buddhism, you choose. I live for today and the future only. Good luck to you.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Your comment about sense of duty resonated with me. Aside from 25 years of service, I was raised with a lot of responsibility at a young age. I can't seem to shake the idea or belief that I must solve or fix this, or that its my burden to bear.
I do not have any social media presence other than here on Reddit and I keep far far away from the faux psychology tropes.
Reading all the posts tonight, I have realized a few things about what I need to focus on.
Your response made me shed a tear. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
GeoHog713@reddit
I think this is pretty straightforward.
If your dad falls I'll first, your mother will continue to be a caregiver and you help you mother bc you love your mother. Not for him.
If your mother needs care first, that SHOULD be your father's responsibility.
He'll skip that. You'll pick up the slack.
When he needs help later, don't feel bad for not taking care of a man that wouldn't take care of his wife.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
You said it all. You painted it out for me and thats the damn sad truth after 50+ years.
Last year he didn't ask about the result of her breast biopsy. He forgot.
Just like the times he forgot to answer his phone, or make an effort for her birthdays, or a million other slights.
GeoHog713@reddit
Most of us already know the answers to our questions. We still need someone else to say it
The cool thing about being an adult is you get to choose who you allow into your life.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Yes, guess I just needed to hear from complete strangers on their perspective to know if I was a complete asshole for wanting to walk away from supporting him.
Still a heartbreaking decision, but I have made effort over the years and he has not, for anyone in our family.
Sometimes advice is better when unbiased and this sub is a supportive crew of folks.
GeoHog713@reddit
For sure. It will still be hard
All of your feelings are valid - sad, angry, confused, etc, except guilt. You have nothing to feel guilty for. Also, horny. That would be weird. 😉
Just ask again, if you start doubting yourself. I don't like you enough to lie to you. /s
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
That's why reddit strangers on here are the best. They tell it as it is. Appreciate it.
happycj@reddit
Hate to be That Guy, but therapy. I’m a big hairy motorcycle riding dude, and have leveraged therapy three times in my life. Each time marks a turning point where I became happier, healthier, and more confident in who I am and my value to the world.
You know your dad and who he is. Cut that cord asap.
You already keep up with mom. Keep it up!
But now work on your internals and thoughts about all this, and find your peace with the way things are, so you can have the best time possible.
GeoHog713@reddit
Therapy is a useful tool.
Sometimes you need it for a bit. Sometimes you need it for a while.
Sometimes you gotta take your bike to the shop.
Thank you for being vocal.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Yes, I'm in therapy after a decade of just rough shit at the last decade of my career in military.
However, this is one area that I struggle with as the dutiful daughter that I haven't received anything profoundly helpful to kinda lift the burden on my heart so to speak.
All the advice here, including yours, has been helpful. My brain probably knows all of this somehow as its advice I'd give to someone else, but because of who I am and my desire to want to do the 'right' thing. I think I was in denial that it is what I need to do for my peace, my heart, my future and my sanity.
Thank you.
Hippie-chick-4ever@reddit
I took on the role of the care giver for both my parents. It is not easy, especially as your parents are still together and they live so far away. If they have money, it will be easier to transition them into a suitable facility. (From independent care to assisted living to memory care to hospice).
My vote for you is to protect your own life and your own self-worth. I let my father move back to our home state (and in with me) after a failed 2nd marriage and penniless from a gambling addiction. He died within 10 months but it was not easy.
My mother was a bi-polar, alcoholic, narcissist who should have gone to Hollywood (she loved acting and was beautiful). She developed messy house syndrome and I spend years cleaning out her house and wiping up her shit (literally).
I did the right thing for my soul. I honored both of my parents. But it was thankless and a lot of hard work. My sister is overseas, one brother AWOL, and one brother dead for 20 years.
If you can handle the financial strain and the inevitable heartache of delving into this, do it. But it is not for the faint of heart.
No one will judge you. Do you, that’s all the world can ask.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
You all are hitting nails directly on the head with your advice. I could handle some of the financial strain short term, but with impacts to my future and my quality of life.
I would gladly accept the heartache for my mom, so I need to think of how that would look. I guess I need to decide if I can live with myself for choosing to not step in for my dad.
Thank you.
kcsews@reddit
Would your mom possibly move in with you? Long shot i know
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
No, she will stay with him and she has a lot of pets too. Very unlikely.
rahah2023@reddit
My parents tried hard to be wonderful and still made many mistakes but they did their best.
My husband’s parents were awful (alcoholics & abusive along with neglect)… but I finally realized his parents also did their best.
I don’t think anyone gets up in the morning trying to fail as a parent unless there is mental illness.
Once I realized the hell both his parents were raised in I could see they actually improved and tried… but they lacked skills, education & resources compared to my parents.
So in the end since my parents were very blessed I wonder which parents were actually the bad parents?
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
I struggle with this with my father. His father was abusive and absent and abandoned them very young to chase after a woman. Returned later and remained abusive. My father is broken inside and hadn't connected the dots with his upbringing and his own dysfunctional behavior. Was he evil and was I starved to death? No.
The fact still remains he was a poor husband and father and gave my brother and I a lifetime of shit to unravel..things I won't share here
Lesson I've read a thousand times over and has rang true: Face your demons or they raise your children.
Sunrise_Sunset1@reddit
I wonder if you slowly stop calling your father on his birthday and buying him gifts, or even calling to make this easier for you. Because you're feeling so much resentment towards him now and in the future when they really need help, this facade will make you feel more guilty- like he will think, "what? All of a sudden I am cut off?" You should also talk to your mom about her future care and what that will look like- does she have any assets or money in case she needs to move closer to a home around you? I wouldn't feel guilty about your father. People make their own beds. Its not your responsibility to take care of them just because they had you.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
I have read a lot of inputs in varied articles or posts about responsibility to care for our parents in elder years. Years ago, I always believed that it was just something we take on as they age. Now at my age, his behaviors have made me so profoundly sad and hurt in my life that I just can't imagine caring for him. Yet the idea of him struggling hurts too.
My mom and I have had a few talks, but lately I have realized we need to discuss this in more detail and have a plan. Thank you...your advice is helpful and a reminder on what I need to do.
Intrepid_Card8858@reddit
and by taking this poster's advice and letting them both know NOW what to expect from you LATER, you are giving them ample time to make other plans for your father.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Ugh, yes you are right. It's something I haven't verbalize yet. Years ago, I asked of their long term plans for sickness, emergencies, etc and basically was met with zero desire to discuss it and frustration from my dad. He's casual and arrogant about his health and takes a blind eye that 'shit' happens we need to prepare for.
Sunrise_Sunset1@reddit
Yeah I think that attitude is changing now because people are realizing that they dont by default have to accept crappy relationships. Im really into this because im also a parentified daughter and want to break this intergenerational chain.
Its great you're doing that reading and understanding what should and shouldnt be in your control!
Its also really laudable that you're trying to at least see your mom's perspective.
I have cut both my parents "off" throughout my life, but also invited them back in once we have talked through boundaries and what I expect. Going to have a baby soon and am thrilled that I can have a relatively non-toxic and controlled environment for my little one- it just took a while to get here. Not everything's perfect, though. My partner's mother is very toxic and almost impossible to talk to. That will be the next journey and the contact we have or don't have will be dependant on her ability to manage her emotions and not cause trouble.
Good luck- you're clearly a good person, but you deserve happiness and respect too.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much for your compassion.
I have started to look at my parents as children. They were abused and experienced a lot of "arrested development" themselves.
A lot of their generation did and thought it was just how things were. My mother tried to be a good mom and gave all she could to be a good to us. Despite me taking on more adult roles than any little girl should at 8 or 10 or 12, she was the only one in the home making a effort to mitigate the stress and fear.
I appreciate your perspective and it sounds like you've experienced much of the same yourself. I need to learn to accept that not all of this, and really most of it, is not my burden to bear.
rosesforthemonsters@reddit
I'm just going to share something I previously posted about this subject.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenX/comments/1khnhh7/comment/mr87kb6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
1043b@reddit
My situation was different in that my parents separated, divorced, and remarried.
That being said, i took on full responsibility for my mother and now my stepdad but have refused to even acknowledge my biofather and his aging issues at all.
My mother was not ideal, harmful in many respects, but she attempted to make amends before dementia set in and was in fact a good grandmother to my children before she died last year, after a long ride of serious illness requiring constant care.
My stepdad, has been a wonderful father to me, and grandfather as well.
I have allocated my personal resources of time effort and energy according to their behaviors.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Your last statement is actually very helpful and maybe a viewpoint I should consider in this mess. Thank you.
1043b@reddit
Im glad. I do think the old reap what you sow is applicable. As is the whole don't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm.
Our parents had a turn and a time to try to be good to us, and you've clearly given him adult opportunities as well. You do not 'owe' more. In fact when it comes to that, he owed much more, still does and apparently hasn't even tried to deliver.
I believe efforts matter. If he were making a real effort you would know, and some people will just take everything around them.
You don't have to allow this out of guilt or feelings of what you should do, we are the generation breaking the bad patterns are we not? Or at least we're trying...
I've put all my effort into modeling for my kids, neices, nephews etc. in an effort to show them what's ok, to be free from obligations that don't make sense, while taking responsibility for those things that do.
I've also deliberately talked it through, especially and repeatedly with my own children. You don't have a duty to those who haven't done their duty by you in a relationship, whatever that relationship might be.
I wish you the best in sorting your dilemma and the years ahead
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Everything youve stated makes sense and I agree with wholeheartedly. It's as if my brain knows, but my heart can't accept it.
"You don't have a duty to those who haven't done their duty by you in a relationship, whatever that relationship might be."
That in itself is so true, yet I feel our generation is somehow expected to look past neglect and abuse of parents because of their upbringing.
Thank you. Maybe today I'm looking for advice to help my heart accept what my brain already knows. I try to do the "right" thing and be kind, but this issue has been a growing struggle for me.
1043b@reddit
I think maybe you're struggling because your heart is conditioned to give no matter the personal cost and your brain knows this isn't right.
As the eldest girl who was parentified myself, it took years of therapy for me to get to this point, and at times I still struggle.
I mentioned modeling it for others as that makes it easier on me. I don't want the younger folks I care about to ever be taken advantage of in their lives the way I have in mine.
My parents set me up to give too much to everyone all the time. You sound very similar. I urge you to know, it really is the right thing to save and protect yourself first and foremost. (Notwithstanding children, if you choose those, that's another game entirely)
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
You are so right about all of this. I was the eldest and conditioned to believe that their behaviors/emotions as my parents were mine to navigate and help manage. I had to constantly scan my environment and be on guard for behaviors, moods, how certain words were said, footsteps, and tones and then adjust my behavior accordingly to temper them and diffuse the angst or tension in the house.
You get it and you are right. I need to learn to accept it.
renegade7717@reddit
first off - that’s a lot to take on as ur burden but being in a similar situation with my folks since I went into the service over 35 yrs ago and never went home - I get it. Similar issues with my younger brother separating himself from our parents other than a phone call now and then.
I don’t have any true solution for u - I find myself just trying to be as supportive as I can for my Mom and spend a few weeks with them over the course of the year. We speak once or twice a week and I spend more time just listening bcuz they both really don’t want to hear about what I have going on anyway. And that’s ok.
Just do as much as u can and are willing to and focus on ur own happiness. I wish u the best. I find that there are a lot of others like us out there.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
I'm sorry you struggle with the same issues and youre right in controlling what I can and focusing on my own life.
I was disillusioned to think things would get better at this stage in my life and we would be closer.
Instead, I've become more aware of how things truly are and things have deteriorated instead. I guess I'm also grieving a relationship and memories that will never be made before he dies some day.
Thank you.
renegade7717@reddit
I’m sorry - ya it’s hard pill to swallow when ur in ur own head about it all - and it makes it feel like it’s all been a farce. But the reality is you loved and u cared and still do and how they respond at this point isn’t on u or your cross to bear. Still doesn’t make it easy. And like most things - time is the only real source of relief. I wish for u the the best as u navigate ur path. Cheers to u!
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Thank you. I love him very much even despite it all and I guess that's why its so hard to navigate. It's as if the guilt is competing with love. My anger and resentment have nowhere to go. I appreciate your compassion.
Ceralt@reddit
Taking on the care for your parents is hard even when relationships are good. My parents moved in. They were careful to respect our space and our time. Paid rent. They were good and considerate. But there is a lot of work involved in the care of course. Doctors appts alone are massively time consuming. Day to day can be so stressful. But if you don’t even like your dad (and with reason) you simply cannot move this man into your home. You already have resentment and that would only grow. It would be toxic for everyone in that house.
Responsible_Claim_91@reddit (OP)
Thank you, and yes - I think I would resent him even more. I feel guilty for even feeling that way as he is my father and I feel a sense of duty in this, but the resentment and hurt run very deep.