Following on from the BOAC Stratocruiser pic / question, here’s an advert.
Posted by Nun-Taken@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 34 comments
Posted by Nun-Taken@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 34 comments
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Those midcentury ads do hit different, don’t they?
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Why are you assuming that it’s real? It’s an unsourced image, reverse image search only shows recent results from Reddit, the magazine has mangled text like AI-generated images, the caption has improper grammar, the format is not typical for an ad, and the style is atypical for the time period.
stordoff@reddit
I can't find anything for the full image, but the interior images seem to have been used in magazines from 1944 (assuming this site is accurate): Western Flying, December 1944; Boeing Magazine, November 1944.
Similar-Half5257@reddit
It does not strike me as odd that those individual images would've been reused to make this collage. Seeing that they appeared in Boeing Magazine, presumably for the first time, it seems reasonable that Boeing would be happy to have them appear elsewhere.
As for the stylem Streamline/Deco was still very much in vogue in 1944. Nor is it necessarily and advertisement. I believe it is not an ad but a one or two page feature about a new airplane. Were it an ad, we'd see the name of the company doing the advertising, presumably Boeing.
There is nothing wrong with the grammar. It refers to the "Lancastrian" which was a passenger development of the Lancaster that never became very popular. That also strongly indicates that this appeared in a British publication. (Western Aviation was an American magazine.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Lancastrian
The plane in the picture is the XC-97, and it is used here because the 377 was still in development and had not yet been built.
As for the magazine: That means nothing. Any graphic artist putting together that collage could have done this by hand. Perhaps someone felt the magazine needed to look a bit more detailed.
stordoff@reddit
FWIW, I don't really have any reason to suspect it is AI - I was just trying to find a source one way or the other to address the concerns the other poster had, and this was the closest thing I could find. It at least shows the interior shots are accurate, even if the source of the overall composition is unknown.
Similar-Half5257@reddit
Sorry, I didn't mean to reply to you directly. Meant more for that other guy. You came as close as anyone to finding a source.
I doubt this is AI. If the OP is the only one to have scanned it, of course an image search is only gonna find it here.
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Thank you. That strongly suggests it's a modern collage.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
I don’t see anything particularly mangled-looking.
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Ok. Tell us the title of the magazine then.
SkyscraperNC@reddit
Synopsis
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
That’s what I see too—I don’t see anything mangled there.
flightist@reddit
It’s an ad for the Boeing 377 and the pictured aircraft isn’t a Boeing 377.
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Facts literally don't matter to these people. It's absolutely bizarre.
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Can you see now that it's been altered from the original drawing? The text is different in the original and there is no title on the bottom magazine in the original drawing. This looks exactly like AI upscaling and with editing.
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Another commenter found originals and we can see that the magazine stack has been altered in several ways from the original.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1spzqxw/comment/oh5uejd/
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That’s plausible. Can you provide any evidence that this unsourced image existed before a year ago on Reddit? It should be easy if it’s real.
Nun-Taken@reddit (OP)
No assumption going on. I scanned the original in 2020, posted it on Reddit then and thought I was being helpful by reposting it yesterday. The image is very much contemporary for its stated time as that’s the date of the source I personally scanned it from. You’ll find the picture from about 5 years ago if you look. Sorry you don’t like that.
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You are typical liar. We already found the source images. All of this content has already been digitized for a long time and if this was real it would be easy to verify it. It’s obviously not real, and it’s outright altered, and even the grammar is bad. This is something made with a computer, not through old printing techniques. Why are trying to mislead people? Why can’t you find something to do that’s actually honest? If you want to be a designer, then go do real design.
Nun-Taken@reddit (OP)
They certainly do. I posted a lot a couple of years ago, maybe I should do a reprise.
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
That guy is such a baby! He blocked me; I'm surprised you haven't blocked him. I look forword to when you can find the original.
It doesn't strike me as odd that those individual images would'be been reused to make this collage. Seeing that they appeared in Boeing Magazine, presumably for the first time, it seems reasonable that Boeing would be happy to have them appear elsewhere. The magazines could have just as easily been retouched by hand as they could today by AI.
floo82@reddit
This is AI slop. One of the funniest bits is that they must have prompted it to put a magazine style synopsis in the bottom corner - and it did on the right, but on the left it misunderstood and put an actual magazine titled "synopsis"
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
That means nothing. Any graphic artist putting together that collage could have done this by hand. Perhaps someone felt the magazine needed to look a bit more detailed.
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What is the actual source of this image? Reverse image search only shows it in unsourced Reddit posts.
Nun-Taken@reddit (OP)
The source is a 1940s article I scanned several years ago. It definitely isn’t AI and anyone who thinks it is is so wrong, sorry. I’m away from home right now but I’m happy to take a photo of the advert in its original context if I can find it. The Reddit connection anyone is finding will date from my original posting.
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Provide a real and verifiable citation like an adult. Some magic magazine from the 1940s that only you have is not a real thing. All of this was digitized by libraries and the public decades ago.
Nun-Taken@reddit (OP)
Sorry, you can believe all you like, try finding my original post from some years ago. It’s here, I posted it having scanned the image in June 2020. I can do no more. Maybe you should learn to trust people like an adult.
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So you refuse to provide a citation. You are a fraud.
Nun-Taken@reddit (OP)
I can’t I’m away. Here’s another pic I scanned back in 2020, tell me if that’s also a fraud
I’ve got better things to do with my time than be fraudulent on here.
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You are just continuing to play games like a typical bad liar.
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
You're a pest.
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You are blocked. Goodbye forever.
Pale_Change_666@reddit
In before someone comments " flying used to be so much better "
By-Eck@reddit
Interesting that the picture is a Boeing 367 C-97 Stratofreighter... US armed forces didn't use the 377, only the 367 (C97)... Presumably this is quite an early advert, before the first 377 had flown (8 Jul 1947).
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Pretty sure it’s fake.