What can you all teach me about this aircraft/photo I inherited?
Posted by Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 33 comments
Posted by Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 33 comments
True-Industry-4057@reddit
This is G-ALSD, a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser named "Cassiopeia". It was in service with BOAC from 1949-58, but I wasn't able to find anything on whether it was scrapped afterwards or sold on.
Kanyiko@reddit
It went to Transocean Airlines (TALOA) as N85Q in 1958, being re-registered as N403Q in 1959. However, at the time the Boeing 377s came in, TALOA was already in a downward financial spiral, and the airline ended up filing for bankrupcy in July of 1960. Its fleet of 377s (10 in total) ended up being auctioned to Airline Equipment Co. in September of 1960, and they ended up in the Mohave desert, where N403Q ended up providing spares for the Super Guppy programme.
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit (OP)
Is it the same frame as the Super Guppy!? I didn't notice the resemblance!
Kanyiko@reddit
The Super Guppy took the basic Boeing 377 Stratocruiser or its military counterpart, the C-97; cut the aircraft in half behind the wing to add in 16 2/3 foot of fuselage, then added the expanded lobe upper fuselage. Depending on the variant, the Guppies either had a swing-tail (Pregnant Guppy and Mini Guppy), while the later Super Guppy had a swing nose instead. The Pregnant and Mini Guppy retained the Stratocruiser's radial engines; the later Super Guppies replaced them by Allison 501 turboprop engines.
Sparky_the_Asian@reddit
I believe the Mini-Guppy is actually the last existing airframe of the 377 Stratocruiser; The engines have the Stratocruiser-style spinners, which the C-97/KC-97 lacked.
Kanyiko@reddit
Two at the very least.
- s/n 15937 (Pan Am N1037V) was modified into Mini Guppy N422AU, now on display at the Tillamook Air Museum.
- s/n 15938 (Pan Am N1038V) was modified into Super Guppy N940NA (using parts of YC-97J 52-2693), now on display at Pima.
Additionally, the tail section of s/n 15924 (Pan Am N1024V; converted into the Pregnant Guppy prototype) was used to build the fourth Airbus Super Guppy, F-GEAI, which ultimately became NASA's Super Guppy N941NA.
And then there's the murky question of the Israeli Air Force's Stratocruisers. Pan Am Stratocruisers N1025V, N1030V, N90946, N90947 and N90948 were all acquired by the Israeli Air Force, and bar N1030V which was scrapped in March of 1974, records are unclear/non-existent as to how they were disposed after their IDF-AF service.
Sparky_the_Asian@reddit
Technically only some parts were taken from N1038V. That guppy was built upon a YC-97J, 52-2693
Kanyiko@reddit
Ah, yes, the wording on my original source is a bit unclear. Re-reading it, I see that N940NA was built around the front fuselage, wings and engine nacelles of 52-2693, with parts of N1038V, N406Q and N408Q used to make the extended tail.
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit (OP)
This is exactly the type of fun facts I was looking for!
Ditka85@reddit
Damn dude, that's some in-depth information. Nice job!
16thmission@reddit
Thank you for the fantastic explanation. Could not have been better.
EngineersAnon@reddit
I believe it used to fly MIA-SVO in the sixties...
Snobben90@reddit
It had the same wings as the B29
tuddrussell2@reddit
Boeing C-97G - Pima Air & Space Another version at Pima Air and Space.
shiftyjku@reddit
Those were very cool airplanes although not the most aerodynamic-looking. There was a cocktail bar on the lower deck, accessible by a spiral staircase (at least on Pan Am).
cpav8r@reddit
I’m part of a group that owns a C-97; whenever I give tours I love telling people about that when I lift the aft hatch. We just use it for tools and spares.
a_scientific_force@reddit
Boeing tried to design a dildo for elephants. Instead, this is what they came up with.
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Roger_Freedman_Phys@reddit
Chapter Six of Ian Fleming’s 1956 novel Diamonds Are Forever describes James Bond’s experience aboard a BOAC Stratocruiser from London to New York, including the intermediate stop at Shannon in Ireland. (Fleming himself was a frequent passenger on these.)
willits1725@reddit
The PnAm versions had Pullman style bunks for first class passengers, where carry on luggage is now stored..There was a rolling stairway that the flight attendants moved along the aisle to allow entry..
Kanyiko@reddit
G-ALSD was a Boeing 337-10-28 Stratocruiser with an interesting history.
Originally it had been ordered by the Svensk Interkontinental Lufttrafik Aktiebolag (SILA), a Swedish airline aimed at international traffic. SILA was the second airline to order the 377, and signed for four aircraft in February of 1946. As such, 15946 would have been the fourth of SILA's four Stratocruisers, with the registration SE-BDR reserved for it.
Before the aircraft were delivered, though, a lot happened. In August of 1946, SILA went into a partnership with Denmark's Det Danske Luftfartselskab A/S (DLL) and Norways Det Norske Luftfartselskab AS (DNL), with the three companies making up the Scandinavian Airlines System. SILA ended up giving one Stratocruiser each to DDL and DNL. In 1948, the Swedish airline company AB Aerotransport ended up joining SAS, and integrated its fleet into the airline.
Meanwhile, a series of accidents over the South Atlantic would forever change the fate of these four Scandinavian Stratocruisers. In January of 1948, British South American Airways (BSAA) Avro Tudor 'Star Tiger' (G-AHNP) disappeared enroute between the Azores and Bermuda. One year later, in January of 1949, BSAA Avro Tudor 'Star Ariel' (G-AGRE) disappeared between Bermuda and Jamaica. Neither aircraft were ever found - and the type was grounded, leaving BSAA without long-range aircraft. The airline was forced into a merger with BOAC, who suddenly required additional long-range aircraft for their new South American lines. Meanwhile, SAS was standardising its fleets, and soon BOAC and SAS came to an agreement: SAS would allow BOAC to take over their four orders for Stratocruisers, while SAS in turn took the occasion to standardise its long-range fleet on Douglas DC-6s. As such, the four Scandinavian Stratocruisers changed hands before they were even completed, becoming G-ALSA to G-ALSD - SAS' SE-BDR became BOAC's G-ALSD while still on the production line.
G-ALSD made its first flight on November 9th 1949 and was delivered to BOAC on December 16th 1949, where it was baptised as RMA Cassiopeia. She would spend the next nine years flying mainly trans-Atlantic services for BOAC. With the jet-age dawning at the end of the 1950s, BOAC negociated a trade with Boeing: it would hand back its 14 surviving Stratocruisers (G-ALSA was written off in a fatal accident at Prestwick on Christmas Day 1954) as a downpayment on its Boeing 707s.
Via a New York aircraft broker, the Oakland-based airline Transocean Airlines (TALOA) managed to acquire the ex-BOAC fleet of Stratocruisers. They were planning to use them on non-scheduled services between Oakland and Tokyo, and from New York to Oakland. G-ALSD arrived in Oakland on September 7th 1958 when she became TALOA's N85Q; however when TALOA had the aircraft re-registered in 1959 so they were in one neat continuing series (N401Q to N414Q) she became N403Q.
The Stratocruisers arrived with TALOA at a moment the airline was going through some financial turmoil; they hoped to solve it by purchasing Cubana's order for Boeing 707s and leasing the aircraft to Japan Air Lines; however reportedly Pan Am blocked this deal because they didn't want the competition, and without the lease from JAL, TALOA went under. They called in the receivers in July of 1960, and by September 1960 their Stratocruisers were auctioned off to an aircraft broker. N403Q ended up in the Mojave desert, where she was slowly reduced to spares as the Super Guppy program started a new life for the Stratocruisers; she was scrapped sometime around 1980.
Beechcraft77@reddit
That’s a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser. It’s a civil version of the C-97, itself derived from the B-29 bomber! This shows a picture of G-ALSD, a BOAC owned 377 named Cassiopeia. BOAC retired their 377s in 1959 after 10 years of use.
https://wahsonline.com/tag/boac/
Here’s a cool first hand account involving that very airplane!
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit (OP)
Neat! The rate at which we were developing new air frames before the jet era was pretty insane/cool.
AggravatingLeg2782@reddit
Here's a C97 I saw at Travis AFB a while back
By-Eck@reddit
That's a C-124 Globemaster II, not a C-97. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C-124_Globemaster_II
AggravatingLeg2782@reddit
Thanks for the correction
NF-104@reddit
B-29-derived wings, but thankfully with B-50’s P&W R-4360 engines (much less likely to catch fire).
In military form the C-97/KC-97.
And modified to be the Pregnant Guppy/Super Guppy, originally built to transport Apollo /Saturn V rocket parts.
Hoverlover-1634@reddit
The Boeing 377 became the USAF KC-97 tanker that preceded the KC-135. These tankers were key to refueling the B-52 to enable SAC to perform world wide nuclear strike during the Cold War.
Stay-At-Home-Jedi@reddit (OP)
Now that's a cool fact!
Stig-blur@reddit
It has a weak chin.
LateralThinkerer@reddit
Northwest livery
Agitated_Car_2444@reddit
The model:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_377_Stratocruiser
The airframe:
https://airframes.fandom.com/wiki/B377-15946
https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/110184-1950-s-archive-part-11-boac
Ok_Inspector9237@reddit
Going off the BOAC tail code G-ALSD ,its a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, from 1957 or thereabouts.
https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1004196