[Ammo] 12 Gauge – Federal LE12700 9 Pellet Flite Control 00 Buckshot – 250 Rounds $0.84 Per Round
Posted by HealerAgro@reddit | gundeals | View on Reddit | 51 comments
I know velocity recently bad with the wolf 762x39. They have been good to me in the past, no tax, free shipping to ND. This seems like a good price for these.
Rooster-illusion11@reddit
I hadn't heard about their issues others have had. Personally I've never ran into those issues. This is a great price for the faster 9 pellet. Thanks for posting OP
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
The best price by far on Ammoseek and you get downvoted. 1325 FPS muzzle velocity versus 1145 FPS for the 8 pellet LE133 version that some others prefer that also costs more.
Banner at website states "Due to high order volume expect shipping delays." so buyers should now expect delay.
Entry-Level-Cowboy@reddit
8 pellet groups WAY tighter. I have both
Mahlegos@reddit
Same. If your gas gun has a hard time cycling the lower velocity 8 pellet or you just HAVE to have 9 pellet, this is good stuff. But imo the 8 is better.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
No arguments from me on your points but one difference is this is 9pellet version is 20 CPR cheaper than the 8 pellet version as of today on Ammoseek. I know some prefer the higher velocity of this round and some have barrels that may not have a serious issue with the 1 flier round that others have issues with. I am glad we have options and can buy which ever we prefer. I bought the 8 pellet version a few years ago myself and have not used this version so cannot provide my own comparison and appreciate the feedback from others.
Entry-Level-Cowboy@reddit
I think they have a low recoil and a higher fps 8 pellet too. Just to add to the confusion
Rooster-illusion11@reddit
It's ok. I have plenty of fake Internet points 😁 I was just relaying my experiences. My shotgun patterns both about the same and I enjoy the increased velocity with an extra round in the shell. To each their own
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I just read your reply to a posting a year ago when these shells were 98 CPR. Given the current price at other sellers and prior posted prices at Gundeals this looks like a good deal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/1jrypub/ammo_federal_premium_12_gauge_tactical_law/
Specific-Ad5238@reddit
They don't deserve any business from this sub.
CountFauxlof@reddit
why is that?
Specific-Ad5238@reddit
They like to post ammo, then say they are "out of stock," only to relist the same ammo for a higher price.
MenaFWM@reddit
Never had that problem and I’ve ordered a bunch from them. Isn’t that just supply and demand?
IllSkyHelix111@reddit
more like "bait and switch"
MenaFWM@reddit
Except that’s not what’s happening
IllSkyHelix111@reddit
if you have some greater insight into their business procedures, i welcome your elucidation
MenaFWM@reddit
Except you don’t have any insight into their business procedures, just long-winded paragraphs that don’t say anything. The easiest explanation is that they oversell their inventory at a certain price point, cancel orders they can’t fulfill like any other vendor would. Then give you the option if you still want it to buy at what might be a different price point. Trying to shoehorn your opinion into something doesn’t actually change the definition of those terms.
IllSkyHelix111@reddit
i'll try to keep this shorter then.
i think you and i are in agreement about the facts.
where we differ is the assumptions of what occurred behind the scenes, which probably neither of us will ever know.
for the sake of polite discussion, let's go with your interpretation.
regardless of if it was an intentional bait&switch or a accidental oversell, for the buyer the end result is the same:
even if i were fully 100% on-board with your interpretation, it's still not good for the customer and reflects poorly on the business.
in a open competitive marketplace, why should we continue patronizing this business when they, at best, suck at retail inventory management?
tl;dr: why simp for these fuckups? plenty other places sell ammo and get this right.
MenaFWM@reddit
Except there’s a huge difference between the two. I’m saying they oversell a product and cancel orders they can’t fulfill at a price point. You’re blatantly accusing them of fraud.
Sure overselling and cancelling orders looks bad but it happens to every company. I’ve never had it happen with them but have had it happen even with big box stores like Academy, Cabelas/BPS. It happens. On the flipside you’re accusing them as using fraud as their main business model, while several people in the comments have stated they’ve never had a problem with them. Also, in no fraud scheme is a refund one of the options.
IllSkyHelix111@reddit
the deleted comment i was going to reply to was this:
my response was going to be this:
i admit it is not a perfect match of the description but if you read the article perhaps you'll find, as i do, that the practice is similar enough to warrant the colloquial shorthand description of "bait and switch". it is in the spirit of a bait and switch.
the primary difference from the explanation in the wikipedia article and the instances with Velocity Ammo Sales is that Velocity actually SELLS you a product A at price X (the bait), the transaction is completed, then later on you receive a cancellation notice. if you still want to buy product A it is now available at price X+Y (the switch).
we can torture the fishing metaphor further but i don't feel there is much to gain from doing so.
myelf, if i'm being generous and open-minded, i have to wonder what they think they're gaining through this practice. they could have just taken the money and shipped the fucking ammo, and taken their small margin. instead they appear to get greedy, cancel a sale and try to REDO the same sale with a larger margin, which probably works on some people but imo the risk is too great and the /r/gundeals community is too price-sensitive and high-information for that to be broadly successful. instead of the margins they have instead achieved significant ill-will, as we can see in this and other threads. it is this aspect that suggests most strongly that it is incompetence rather than greed that drives this practice.
regarding Velocity Ammo's reputation, if you roll back further there are still the elephants-never-forget folks remaining upset about their alleged price-gouging during covid and the Lake City debacle.
all in all, it makes for enough baggage that i think a significant portion of shoppers here would rather take their travelers' cheques to a competing resort.
Mahlegos@reddit
To be generous and open minded, the “positive” explanation of what is happening is they are overselling their stock and then having to cancel the order and allow someone to reorder off a new shipment they got at a higher price. Happens sometimes. Obviously the better move would be to eat the difference off your mess up and honor the purchase at the cheaper price. But sometimes a business can’t absorb that, especially on multiple orders and if the price jumps a bunch. Forgivable for a good retailer if it happens very rarely imo. But the real long term solution is having a better count of your inventory and cut purchases off when your limit is hit and you go OOS. Super easy today with online ordering, you just need an accurate count of your stock and the sales system can keep a live count of what is sold vs what you have on hand. The problem here and what pushes it into profiteering/bait and switch/whatever is that Velocity keep doing this instead where they “oversell”, cancel orders, and re-list at higher prices instead of fixing it after the first go round. That loses them the benefit of the doubt.
AristoNYC@reddit
Bait and switch is if they sold you something and delivered something different.
onlybanana@reddit
So confidently wrong.
AristoNYC@reddit
Yes I am. Haha
ImportanceLogical648@reddit
Enough ppl are on your side, I believe you, but I hadn't heard of this before today. Can you elaborate pls specifically; ammo, fake price, relisted price?
aio-nrh@reddit
Velocity? Mind filling me in, I don't have the details 👀
Specific-Ad5238@reddit
They like to post ammo, then say they are "out of stock," only to relist the same ammo for a higher price.
SgtHop@reddit
After cancelling the orders, of course.
Mattchete3326@reddit
Wildehorse has it @ sub 70 cpr w/ free shipping. Screw velocity
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Is this the ammo you are referring to? I see no where there or on other website that claim it is using the Flite Control wad. How do we know it is the same as this posted Flite Control round?
https://wildhorseammunition.com/product/federal-12-gauge-2-3-4-00-buckshot-9-pellets/
We would have to buy 500 shells to get it for 66 CPR.
250 shells would be 74 CPR.
https://www.luckygunner.com/12-gauge-2-3-4-9-pellets-00-buck-federal-250-rounds
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1029633962?pid=140895
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1029633962?pid=895139
Mattchete3326@reddit
Ok, I should have been more detailed. It may not be the exact same federal, but lots of sellers other than velocity have 12ga 9 pellet 00 buck cheaper.
I'm done supporting velocity
TheDanimal14@reddit
Lol comparing price to a different shell
brianstheman@reddit
Lol next he'll bring up how much cheaper the Storm Exposed rounds were
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DetroitJason@reddit
Just read how they acted over a price screw up. They should be blasted for lying to customers
weJtiddeR@reddit
Agreed. They'll never get another penny from me.
Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore had some shotgun ammo i wanted awhile back, normally sells for 25 to 30 dollars per box of 10rds. They had it listed for 7 bucks. I ordered 20 boxes. They said they were actually out of stock and the price was a mistake, BUT they were going to check with their third party sellers and find what they could.
In the end they sent me all 200rds, and I got the federal rebate going on, 5 dollars off per box. So I got 200rds for the same price as 20 or 30rds. That's how a business honors their price and takes care of their customers. Whatever they lose, they'll more than make up over the longterm due to good CS.
Fuck Velocity, it's your mistake as a business, you honor it. I used to spend quite a bit with them, but I'll never buy again. They can burn in hell
jay_kay25@reddit
Fuck Velocity
pantsopticon88@reddit
Agreed.
AE and bucking horse now
AccomplishedAge3975@reddit
Shit, AE too? I’m just figuring out after not needing ammo in a long while that velocity is a no-go
BobBBobbington@reddit
Hope next week's sale from Bucking Horse is good, the last few were laughable
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I bought a lot from them in 2022 and not much since then. Back then free shipping started at $75.
_thefutureisdead_@reddit
Dealer should be banned
TheDanimal14@reddit
This sub is butthurt over the 7.62x39 a few weeks back and the winter storm Fern delay in January, but I've had 11 orders from Velocity in the last year and had 0 issues at all. Great prices on rotational, occasional items like these and always delivered. YMMV but this is still a deal on these shells and you know it.
Grouchy_Hubert_da3rd@reddit
They need to be blacklisted
zeroheading@reddit
Clicked the link, wouldn't even load the page without in putting an email address. No thanks.
MenaFWM@reddit
There’s an X at the top right corner on the email popup to bypass
zeroheading@reddit
Wouldn't let me on mobile. I clicked it and it said "required for age verification" as if an email is valid age verification lol.
hitemlow@reddit
I just use the sales email address of the sites that pull that shit. Enjoy getting your own spam.
sales@velocityammosales.com for instance
super-pooper-@reddit
Modern problems require modern solutions lmao. Big brain play there
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