Most difficult part of aviation/becoming a pilot
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Besides the money, what in your experience has been the most difficult part of the journey? I plan on starting flight training this summer and want to be a commercial pilot at some point.
Several-Sprinkles-10@reddit
The times things don’t work out, gotta have a little cry and then get back up or carrying on with tears in time eyes.
also the comparison with your peers and how they are ahead of you or doing better etc. you can also be the best if you put your foot down and work.
I learnt it the hard way. I took a gap year, worked 2 jobs, volunteered at 2 places and did a short course. I thought I had the work ethic. I do have it but my discipline wasn’t there which caused the fails and being behind.
Also the money. The fear of spends hundreds thousands and not making it at the end.
JewofTVC1986@reddit
The grind
Atheizt@reddit
The constant delays. “We’ll have you done by the end of April”…
“Let’s push for end of July”.
kyleth3pil0t@reddit
Timing of your eligibility for hiring at the airlines
Primary-Jette-3704@reddit
I don’t know if it’s just me, but starting was the hardest part. Once I made up my mind that I really wanted it, everything seemed to fall into place.
GrthWindNFire@reddit
Having a trash flight and getting back in the saddle the next day with the same instructor.
fallingfaster345@reddit
Honestly, sometimes you need to advocate for yourself and that can be challenging if you’ve never had to do it before, or for several other reasons.
There are a lot of predatory flight schools out there that will happily take your money and then not set you up for success.
There are a lot of CFI/student mismatches and you might need to demand a new instructor/fire an instructor.
You might feel pressured to cancel or to not cancel a flight lesson.
You might run into a number of other hypothetical situations that require you advocating for yourself… and sometimes that can be hard AF, especially when you’re up against a flight school.
iLOVEr3dit@reddit
Private pilot is the hardest part. Pretty much my entire time training for private pilot I was frustrated/felt like my stick and rudder skills were inadequate. Over time I got better and every once in a while I had a nice buttery landing that made me realize I didn't totally suck.
After private pilot, you have all the fundamentals and it becomes way easier
PlaneShenaniganz@reddit
Tripping over the never-ending barrage of panties and bras being thrown my way
AdImpressive9014@reddit
It is the amount of information being thrown at you.
There are times where I really questioned my career path. However, despite all of that, I powered through and I do not regret it.
Affectionate_Aspect4@reddit
It's definitely the damn money aspect. I get jealous all the time seeing kids who go to aviation colleges for professional pilot bachelor's, while also having the money handed over for flight training. Dudes at 23 ready for the regionals, parents putting up serious cash so the kid can go instruct anywhere needed, and fly for any cheap 135, while also still living comfortably.
Example, we make right at 200k/yr combined income at 30, and after 70k/yr in housinh expenses, taxes, etc it leaves around 60k to mess with, and that's no vacations, or extra spending. Even at our income I couldn't afford an aviation college lmao, we'd have to keep the income and live in an RV with $1000 lot rent, and that's hilarious. Sure, loans exist, but there's no way I'll do that to my family with the market, and how low all the pay is until the regionals. The markets r Tough, it's mostly a wealthy family industry, technically similar to doctor's. If you don't come from wealth, you'll be "old" finally getting to do it, like mid 30s, and you'll have a kid as your captain, almost guaranteed haha. There's plenty of non traditional pilots, just like non traditional medical school applicants who are 30s graduating at 40, etc, but you have to really think about it. Who is an airline really going to hire? A pedigree kid, with everything laid out for him, families money involved to guarantee success, mid 20s? Or someone who had to get a first career, to afford it, and is now mid to late 30s? Which person's more profitable to the company? Some will argue the kid will definitely leave to a major, while the older applicant might stay long term, but youth definitely gets an edge.
I'd say after money, check ride failures are the BIG ONE. You really don't want any. 2 is very bad, and 3 could end a major airline hopefuls career entirely. Take your tests only when you're confident and fully ready.
SquareGrade448@reddit
I’m a PPL student now nearing checkride and for me, it’s constantly being weathered out and having planes pulled/down/squawked for maintenance. The combination of both of those have made training take twice as long as I thought.
Comprehensive-Try430@reddit
Thinking it’s too early to network even as a student pilot
Efficient-Recipe-875@reddit
Keeping all the women that throw themselves at you at arm’s length
Gold-Weather_69@reddit
Timing…
Acceptable-Oven-7145@reddit
Timing when and how much water exactly to drink so that I don’t end up having to pee on a long dual cross country in a Cessna
devonwillis21@reddit
This but having to decide if the caffeine from a coffee is more important than the potential stomach issues mid flight.
johnisom@reddit
I’ve found it’s best to fly thirsty, if it’s in the morning. It’s much safer to be slightly dehydrated than having a bladder emergency at 10,500.
Bunslow@reddit
to be fair, it's still far better to have a bladder emergency at 10500 than 500
Zathral@reddit
Hits hard having just done an unplanned 5 hour glider flight with no pee bags
Strict-Confusion-570@reddit
My friend lost that game and pissed out the door during the landing roll with his instructor.
Prestocito@reddit
solo xc shamed to admit I lost that game. Made it to the ground then I coudlnt hold no longer
Sea_Evidence_7780@reddit
I think I tied the game? I pulled the mixture, opened the door and pissed right on the ground
Strict-Confusion-570@reddit
There’s old pilots and there’s bold pilots and they are both pissing themselves.
JustAnotherDude1990@reddit
Money.
I considered being born to rich parents too late in life.
Money really is the answer. If you are trying to ignore that one, you probably have the recipe for success already if it isnt a concern.
CobWebsRoy@reddit
Money is not the problem. No money is the problem. 😂
JustAnotherDude1990@reddit
Touché.
Commercial_Ice7190@reddit
Meteo
Kandranos@reddit
If your timing is off, the 250 hours to 1500 hour stretch is potentially either one of the easiest parts or the absolute hardest. Start networking and making friends IMMEDIATELY. In bad hiring events, it's who you know and that includes airlines not just corporate.
Rush_1_1@reddit
It turns out that the easiest way to prevent a drought is for me to schedule a flight lesson.
That's the hardest part.
old_flying_fart@reddit
Aside from the money, the hardest part was figuring out how to pay for it. The next hardest part was scraping the funds together.
After that it was easy.
Seriously - I worked far harder to get the money to pay for flight training than I did in flight training.
GolfElectrical1919@reddit
For me it was remembering all the random and boring rules that obviously are really important. Especially MET, its a huge topic and there is always more to understand
johnisom@reddit
Instrument rating was very difficult.
jtyson1991@reddit
For me PPL (especially landings) was harder, what was hardest for IR for you?
DustyMcKnuckles@reddit
For me, it was retaining and internalizing what I was studying and sticking the flight profiles on the first try. I used the GI bill to go part 141 and pay rent, so 18 credit hours a semester on top of fast paced flight training... having to rewrite over previous life knowledge and know-how was not easy.
After instrument I had to pause cuz life got in the way... its been 4 years since then, so when I can get back into it, there will be a bit more to tackle before I can continue endorsement collecting.
I would definitely recommend making sure youve got a strong support system! Both mental and physical.
HSVMalooGTS@reddit
Gathering money
Squawk_0877@reddit
Two things were hardest for me, navigation and radio comms navigation took four attempts before I finally passed, but I got 100% on that fourth try. Radio was just pain I looked for any kind of training course and couldn't find one that actually helped, so I ended up learning it on the fly, and every new airport seemed to have slightly different local phrasing, so you're basically re-memorizing every time. If anyone here has found a radio training resource that actually worked for them, I'd genuinely like to hear it
B_McGuire@reddit
The dissonance between working as a pilot and not making the money most expect pilots to make, for the first half a decade.
Adventurous_Bus13@reddit
Studying for instrument. It was very interesting at first, but it got old really qiuck for me.
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
The first 10 hours.
Then adding instrument flight (the rating) into it.
Once you get those worked out, it's pretty easy. There's just an absolutely massive brain load going on all the time until things start clicking and you don't have to work hard to think about what you're doing anymore.
Spirit_of_No_Face@reddit
This! Pushing through the initial prolonged feeling of inadequacy and “I’m never gonna get this” before soloing.
Brave_Recognition798@reddit
It doesn’t always work though
bigbadcrusher@reddit
Yep, I’ve had it 3 times so far: once in Private, once in Instrument, once in Commercial. Every time you realize how far you truly have to go, it gets demoralizing for a moment
HornetsnHomebrew@reddit
If you want to find that feeling again, come back to GA after having taken a 20-year break from it. Made worse if at that time you are working as a “professional pilot.”
bigbadcrusher@reddit
Funny enough, guy I’m gonna be safety-piloting for while I work on CFI in the near future is an Army dude who hasn’t flown anything in 2 years and wanting to get to airlines soon. He’s going through that right now, going from flying a C-12 to a 172
Ok_Bar4002@reddit
Can confirm. When you go from always being on a flight plan to suddenly needing to read a VFR sectional… actually the easiest way I describe it to friends that don’t know it, is comparing it to when I went from working as an engineer to tutoring a kid in middle school math. Like I know I know it but I don’t remember anything of that stuff.
Recent-Day3062@reddit
What do they test you on in commercial that isn’t covered in the other two?
bigbadcrusher@reddit
Chandelles, 8’s on Pylons, PO 180, stricter standards on landings. Just more to process really
Thomas-Ligotti97@reddit
I always feel it when I realize just HOW MUCH I need to study…. Then I start studying and go like ‘damn this isn’t as much as it seems’
Ok-Entrepreneur-2924@reddit
Getting a first flying job
Brave_Recognition798@reddit
This is why I left
luketw2@reddit
Finding a job lmao
Brave_Recognition798@reddit
This! The market is dead and who knows how long you’d slave away to get something liveable, at least in Canada
NoConcentrate9116@reddit
Accepting that it’s about the long game if you’re making it a career. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.
There is no get rich quick, pass go and collect $200 type scheme here. It’s a long road with a lot of effort that you have to be able to consistently maintain. Just when you’ve accomplished one milestone, there’s a new one to hit. The grind starts over. The paying of dues resets. First airline job? Congrats, you’re at the bottom of the seniority list on reserve. Finally an FO with a good schedule and get picked up for captain upgrade. Congrats, you’re the most junior captain now on reserve. Move up to mainline, congrats, you’re the junior FO on reserve again, etc etc.
Aviation is a great career field but the “golden ticket” or “unicorn” type jobs are so rare that you need to plan for it to take quite a while to get to your destination job. Burnout is real and it hits people hard in this industry.
Brave_Recognition798@reddit
The constant fuck you at every single step is what got me to quit :/
SavingsPirate4495@reddit
STUDY. STUDY. STUDY.
And then STUDY some more!!!
The competition is going to be EXTREMELY tight in the coming years as age 65 retirements start to wind down and HR departments can start getting more selective.
ANY failure in your General Aviation education and training will carry forward to ALL Regional carriers with whom you interview. There will be THOUSANDS with ZERO failures and they will go to the front of the hiring line ahead of those that have failures...even one. Don't be the guy/girl with failures!!
The good news is once you break into the Part 121 Airline world, those GA failures will mean so much less when you interview for your final spot at your major carrier.
But guess what? NOW you have to make sure that you have ZERO failures at your Regional carrier. No repeated training cycles in initial training. No UNSAT recurrent training events. No incidents on your record, etc., etc.
And keep a CLEAN attendance record!! Yeah...we get sick and shouldn't fly. Just make sure you're sick when you bang sick and don't use sick bank as a "sickation". Once you're VERY senior in your Base/Equipment/Seat at your major carrier, THEN you can start giving yourself some scheduling flexibility.
In short, NEVER give the Chief Pilot a reason to call you into the office. NEVER!!!
Finally, once you make it "to the show" at your Regional carrier, DO NOT be in such a hurry to upgrade just so you can start logging PIC time. APPRECIATE what you have and LEARN from it! I flew with a couple of Captains at my major carrier that "fast-tracked" themselves into the left seat and it was CLEARLY evident they were lacking in decision-making skills. Good pilots...don't get me wrong...but I could tell they were just FRESH at being in the left seat and had not taken the time at their Regional carrier to gain that NECESSARY experience.
I was a Captain at my Regional for almost TWELVE years. Not by choice...just got caught on the wrong side of the hiring curves in the industry. My time in the left seat for so long, however, was INVALUABLE!!! Yeah...it would have been nice to get over to my major in half that time, but in the end, it was worth it. I learned a SH*T-TON before going over to my major carrier. And it showed!!!!!
NOTHING is a substitute for experience and wisdom. ESPECIALLY when you have 189 souls on board (B737 MAX9)!!!!!!
This is an industry where you are "under the thumb" and watched CONSTANTLY!!! Even AWAY from the cockpit!!
DON'T. DO. STUPID. SH*T!
I am now retired.
I survived.
I wouldn't trade my career for ANYTHING...I was TRULY blessed by God to have it!! 🙏🙏
Healthy-Sort-7293@reddit
Listening to other training pilots anxiety. It tends to taint what you find good, simple or even logical with "maybe I am going to struggle with this because they did" that extends all the way to the airlines. I watched a guy was out of training because of anxiety and we did not get to the sim training yet.
RandomEntity53@reddit
On the journey to PPL it was simply getting enough focused flight time. Took me a couple of years simply because of the “day job”/money/good weather triangle.
After that it’s shifting to a whole lot of memorization for instrument written. I’m content with my PPL HP. But youngsters should have little trouble.
LRJetCowboy@reddit
Those damn landings..:
VileInventor@reddit
Knowing how to be a PIC. It’s hard to say no to CFI’s, Chiefs and DPE’s. Know when it’s time to cut the chord, being a PIC is more than decisions while flying, it’s knowing when not to. Task saturation and external pressure cloud your judgement just as much as fatigue.
I think looking back those were the harder lessons, this was towards the end of my training and I had plenty of other learning experiences but, finally a day before my CFI ride I cancelled with the DPE because my flight school at the time wasn’t going to let me use a plane unless I did a checkout flight with them. The day before my ride I got this news. My CFI and I were rushing to find an advanced CFI to do the mock ride to appease my school and one had availability day of my checkride in the morning. In all the commotion of trying to get a plane, find a CFI and the pressure of my checkride I realized this isn’t how I’m gonna do this. So I told my CFI, i’m cancelling the checkride and the EoC tomorrow and we’re gonna do this right. Instead of her being upset she told me she was proud of me for knowing when to call it. Usually CFI’s get annoyed when things get cancelled, but she did the opposite and I think that’s honestly when my mentality flipped on the whole thing. DPE’s expect you to know what a PIC is when you’re a private pilot, CFI’s expect you to know before you solo but the reality is that everyone experiences what a PIC really is differently. Like most things in aviation, it’s more nuanced than its text book definition that you’ll give.
BagOfMoneyNoChange@reddit
No-Cell-8208@reddit
The divorces
borkbark1101@reddit
Every move in any direction feels like a gamble. Ratings, bids, jobs… gambling your money, life, time for some sort of projected return, at best. You know what they say about the house, too.
RevolutionaryRun7744@reddit
All workable issues except for the occasional person who puts you down or discourages you. When you start you don’t know what you don’t know and when a very experienced person comes along and destroys your confidence,,, oof, hard to get past that.
Of course, they come at it saying it’s because they care about your safety and you learn from failing or whatever stupid half assed excuse they use to continue bullying people.
Find a good supporting experienced person and don’t get discouraged.
DearKick@reddit
I know you said besides the money but, the money…
flynlionPS@reddit
$
Cathy_Pilot@reddit
Separation from family and friends. While you’re getting your ratings and later building time, in your time off from your day job you're at the airport. Then maybe you quit that day job for a 135 or if you’re lucky, 121. Either way you're junior and go where you have to. Crash pad living, commuting all that. Just when you get something approaching a normal life, call it every other weekend off, it’s on to a major and start again at the bottom.
Look, I love my job. I’m a captain at a legacy and it’s awesome. But took me YEARS to get there. PS, the military route is even worse in terms of separation for obvious reasons. There are no cheat codes in this game.
RichProgrammer9820@reddit
IMO it’s the coolest job out there and when you pass a ride you do feel like you’ve accomplished something many could not. When things go right it is the best thing out there apart from being able to be a formula 1/GTE race car driver.
Here’s a few downsides. You asked for it though some may think are hyperbolic. This does happen
The pilot mill aspect. Training is hard on your body working 6 days a week and the 7th is split between studying and catching up on chores. The stress of testing for the rest of your life gets people. I have seen students pass PPC IR COM then fail multi add on from stupid mistakes or can’t pass an oral and get kicked from programs.
Pilot mill CFIs get paid nothing and work their asses off and if you had 3 students in a row fail their check you’re fired. Happened to a guy I knew had 8 signoffs pass then 3 fail. He got fired and is now working refueling and applying elsewhere.
Management at these places are brutal too. Incentives are made to keep money flowing into the business. Students overworked may call out sick or fatigued. At a school near me if you call out it’s automatically $150 feet taken from your account unless you have a doc notice. So you have students coming in sick getting others sick FLYING sick but not telling anyone because they don’t want to pay the fee.
Instructors I heard it’s also a nightmare. 5-6 days 12hr shifts waking up at 2am for 4 days and on the 5-6th are scheduled till 2am. I have a report of a CFI documenting this where on his 6th day he got home at 1am and had to report to work at 6am the next day (filled out a report for diverting and had to stay late yet it wasn’t paid) so it’s not on the schedule. He called in fatigue the next morning and the management said that “he’s finding ways to get out of work” that person still came in to work the next day out of fear of being fired but cancelled the flight and only did sims/grounds. He later was threatened to be fired for saying no he cannot fly. Same thing happens to another CFI same school. Called in fatigue. Refused to drive to work and management said “that sounds like a you problem” he quit. there’s a reason why professional aviation has unions. Going the CFI grind it’s tough to get employed after going through the hell of checkrides. But many schools know you are desperate and are not unionized so they take advantage of you.
Professionally? Don’t expect to be home every night. Expect on your last leg of the week that there’s been delays or cancellations and now you’re stuck on the other-side of the country for 2 of your 3 days off. And you’re still required to report back the next week on the same day.
Anything in life can happen and if it affects getting a medical then your career is over. Someone rear-ended you at a light and now you have a concussion and eyesight is in question? You’re out for at least half a year and possible ineligible to get a new medical: basically your career can end in a second after all of that work you put in.
Family time is not happening unless you find a unicorn job or have good seniority. It’s why you hear about aviation employees: pilots and flight attendants get cheated on/are the cheaters more than many other professions.
Standby/on call - you can’t be more than a certain. Distance/time from your base or airport in case you’re called in. Sometimes it’s every day of the week sometimes it’s 5 days and no call but your phone can ring at any moment and you must be ready.
AccidentCommon208@reddit
Finding the first job.
DickManning@reddit
Honestly comparing yourself to others. I went to school with a lot of people who had their schooling paid for either by their parents or because they are a veteran. I had to work my way through school and because of that I watched a lot of people surpass me in progress. I also saw a lot of people start and never finish. I was determined to finish no matter how long it took me
Stocksonnablock@reddit
Patience.
PILOT9000@reddit
Getting your foot in the door at an airline or some other good career position.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Besides the money, what in your experience has been the most difficult part of the journey? I plan on starting flight training this summer and want to be a commercial pilot at some point.
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