Please help stop California AB 1557
Posted by dariansdad@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 85 comments
This bill will limit ebikes (class 1 & 2) to 250 watts and 16 mph. While it seems logical on the surface, it will actually do nothing to improve safety. It will hamstring the development of vehicle-alternative transportation for otherwise law-abiding riders.
I submitted my comments directly at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCommentsClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260SB1167 . Please do the same.
More info here.
SFBikeMom@reddit
This bill does nothing to address e-motos, which are the high-powered devices that can go far over the limits for legal e-bikes. SB 1167 is the bill to support, which cracks down on e-motos being mislabeled as e-bikes, and forces them to be sold as motor vehicles, which they are.
Explainer from Streets For All (which opposes AB 1557 and supports SB 1167) here https://www.streetsforall.org/blog/2026-california-ebike-legislation
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
That's part of the point of opposition. 1667 is poorly written and will punish and penalize law-abiding riders while the ALREADY ILLEGAL e-motos scoff at the laws.
stinkston@reddit
250 watts seems reasonable to me. Most humans and certainly most humans on an ebike couldn't hold that much power for more than a few minutes. If you want to ride a motorcycle get a license, registration and insurance just like we do with gas motors. I am genuinely puzzled why people think that the rules should be different because the motor burns electrons instead of gas.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
I don't think you understand what 250 watts actually represents.
stinkston@reddit
My bikes have power meters. Pretty sure I know what it takes for a human to hold 250 watts. I also know what it takes to hold 750 watts and the vast majority of humans couldn't hold that much power for more than a few seconds.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
It's okay that you're wrong.
stinkston@reddit
This is what a human who can't make 250 would say.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
WTF are you on about? "Making" 250? Does that mean pedaling a 130# bike at 16MPH? I can do that (for a short time); I'm old and have arthritic knees.
Completely off topic, I have a 750W motor with a 60AH battery. I do 28MPH wide open and can go 100 miles on a charge. This bike will remain legal under the new rules. Most people, your words, not mine, can't afford or don't need a bike like mine.
Back to the point, we don't need this law. It has SOOOOO many unintended, ham-handed consequences that will be used to criminalize otherwise law-abiding riders and will stunt the industry. Methinks you might be one of the authors of this bill (or one like it). The whole point of this post was to get opposition to yet another law that will do virtually nothing to increase safety and remove illegal bikes and their operators from the road.
Razrgrrl@reddit
Also how about if they want “common sense” and Euro solutions? Let’s get REALLY Euro. Paris has some 500 streets closed to cars. I’d happily ride 10-15mph max in a car free SF with EU levels of bike infrastructure.
Until then, someone should invite these legislators to ride an acoustic bike up a 9-12% grade.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
Well, first off, there is no such thing as "common sense". It is a term that is widely used to attempt to argue against a person's intelligence or reasoning but I digress.
Secondly, you have understood my point. Legislators know nothing and can hardly be taught. It's just "law this and law that" with no accountability or recourse.
jekkies-@reddit
OP is misleading or intentionally lying.
the link provided is NOT for AB 1557, the link they are trying to get u to oppose is legislation to crack down on E-MOTOs that are only legal thru loopholes, things like 50mph surrons, things that don't have pedals, or only have pedals to sidestep current laws.
iregreteverything15@reddit
Thank you for clarifying. This is a lot of worrying and hand wringing by this sub and that YouTube video OP posted over nothing. Even if AB 1557 passes and you want more power and speed than 250w and 16 mph, then just buy a class 3. It is still 750 W and 28 mph. This is a big nothing burger.
BeSiegead@reddit
Why would it make sense to make California's Class 1 and Class 2 standards different than the 'norm' across most of the nation and industry?
iregreteverything15@reddit
Why assume that the rest of the U.S. won't follow suit? California is the biggest market in the country and often sets the trends. In addition, why not bring California and U.S. more in line with Europe? Having more uniform standards will bring down costs, rather than having multiple markets with multiple regulation sets to account for.
BeSiegead@reddit
And, thus have lower value e-bike capacity.
The EU limits are too low
And, the U.S. market is fragmented enough already
iregreteverything15@reddit
I don't know what to tell you other than, "That's just like your opinion, man."
The same advocacy groups who helped draft the original U.S. Class system now want to revise it. They feel that the current system had some unintended consequences that need to be resolved.
heskey30@reddit
Class 3 in CA allows over 750w peak - the limit is 750w continuous. This is actually a huge nerf to class 3s as well.
Switching class 1 and 2 to european standards also seems like a big handout to the legacy bike companies.
Its disgusting how these established corporations can buy legislation when they are getting killed on both price and quality of product on the open market.
iregreteverything15@reddit
Meh. 750W continuous is fine. And I'm not shedding any tears for any company. This 'scrappy young upstart' has always been a false narrative. Not getting fooled by that again. It makes me think the outrage about this bill might be manufactured by them.
heskey30@reddit
I'm not shedding tears for a company either - what? I'm mad because the bikes will be slower and more expensive.
John-AtWork@reddit
OP wan't wrong. From the bill:
iregreteverything15@reddit
Yeah, I understand that. But Class 3 still exists in the bill. It is still 750w and 28 mph just as it currently is. If people want that speed and power, then just buy a class 3. Again, big nothing burger.
John-AtWork@reddit
No, you are wrong. Read the bill.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
Edit: I screwed up the link for the comment section. I fixed it now.
jekkies-@reddit
thank you for fixing it. i opposed AB 1557, but very much support SB 1667
oldfrancis@reddit
Thx
Ur-in-a-tor@reddit
Lowering speeds do not increase safety? That sounds a bit wild?
BeSiegead@reddit
Where is the California legislation to:
* Have 20 mph speed limits on most (side) streets, 30 mph on non-divided streets, no more than 35 mph on non-highway roads in urban areas?
* restrict automobile engine / power capacity and management systems so that vehicles (ICE / EV) do not have the capacity to exceed speed limits?
Yes, all things being equal, lower speed does increase safety but not all things are equal and there are many factors in play. For many e-bike / bike riders, the ability to ride with / roughly at the speed of auto traffic, rather than significantly less than the speed limit, certainly increases our (sense of) safety.
Proxy345@reddit
16mph is like riding a baby tricycle in the very vast streets of California lmao.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
Correct, it will not. I can still cream into the back of a pedestrian on a footpath at 10mph. Or I can safely travel around 25mph. Speed does not entirely determine rider safety and responsibility.
gladfelter@reddit
I hope that I misunderstood you. There is no fucking way that you should be passing pedestrians going 25mph on a typical multi use path. At the very least, you're scaring the shit out of at least some of them.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
Granted the paths at my college are gloriously wide, I can still do it and just give people like 6+ feet of room.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
I never go that fast when pedestrians are around, and purposely slow down in crossing areas for kind of obvious reasons. I never said around pedestrians lol.
But if there’s a big open flat and no one around I’ll just kinda peddle a little bit in 4th gear and the motor just coasts me along at 25.
subhuman_indep_777@reddit
If you are riding on a road with cars going 30-40 or more, then no, lowering max speed does not increase safety.
Ur-in-a-tor@reddit
There's two sides to that story: yes it is safer to be able to pedal with the traffic flow, however at the same time it is safer if cars get to pass the pedalist faster, i.e. if the cyclist rides slower.
My ebike, 250W max motor speed 25 km/h, runs out of its 11 gears at around 45 km/h - so it can go with the car traffic to some extent. The trick is to avoid morbidly obese ebikes and to go with the most lightweight one can find.
DonnPT@reddit
Safer to keep up with the traffic when it's slowed by congestion. If the road is wide open and cars are actually at or above the speed limit, no.
thelastspike@reddit
You are clearly unfamiliar with California speed limits.
Johoski@reddit
I'd like to see the data.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
There isn't any. Watch the video.
Duct_TapeOrWD40@reddit
I rode both Pedelec Ebike, moped, and motorbikes. As soon as you can keep up with the traffic more and more the amount of interactions, generally overtakes (including dangerous overtakes) decrease drastically.
Regarding riders like me, there is one extra factor. I have car and motorbike licence too, so i'm trained for and familiar even with 60+ mph cruising. This is obvoiously not true for a 13 year old but ther is a sollution for this as well. In Europe 14 year olds can get their training and licence to 28 mph 4000 watt mopeds which are safer in a 20 or 30 mph zone than a Class I or Class II ebike.
Professional_Flan466@reddit
The lower the bike speed limit, the more people will use cars for the journey instead of an ebike. Cars are much much more dangerous for other road users than bikes and so limiting speed will decease road safety.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
On top of this I have an REI Membership, and every ebike they have that I’ve seen in store and online, but also my own all do at least 18-20mph. AT LEAST.
Honestly if this garbage passes, no one should listen to it. Pretend like it’s not there, and make this nonsense into a paper park.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
On this note I’m curious to see if this will even pass, especially given that retailers like REI and Amazon make so much money off of this.
BeSiegead@reddit
Does REI really make "so much money" off E-bikes? Certainly not losing money but unsure about that "so much" (writing as one whose family did buy three from REI -- and where the handling of free maintenance on just one probably blew way past any profit margin on all three).
NOTE: REI purchase: nearest bike maintenance team w/experience with ebikes; two of the bikes were E1s (1.1 and 1.2) at the 50% off price; for third bike, did shop around at LBS with the only one with a bike / support that created pause a 15+ mile distance & 90 minutes in traffic vs 2.5 & 10 to the REI. For our situation, while REI is premium price and large retailer, relationship with the bike team is like a small store's team.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
They definitely make a decent amount or they wouldn’t carry and service the amount of them I’ve seen. It’s like half their bikes lol.
BeSiegead@reddit
No, it does not “seem logical on the surface”. This is poor legislation written by people who do not ebike and who are not considering actual implications
Razrgrrl@reddit
Right? They put something in about how only the top athletes could match those speeds. I guess I'm basically an olympian every time I go down a big hill.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
If you don't know anything about anything, AKA legislators, reducing speed seems to be the answer. Those of us who actually ride know different.
Razrgrrl@reddit
I love how they're like, "this is common sense because Europe.." Ummmmmm ok how about give us bike infrastructure like the EU and address the housing crisis so we no longer have supercommuters? I guess also shrink the dang state? Or put things closer together? I mean, you can drive for 8-10 hours starting in California and still be in California at the end. Maaaybe we have a whole other context and "what they do in Europe" is not really commonsense because it's a whole other ballgame?
And dont get me started on how FUCKING annoyed I am that they're coming after the folks already following the GD laws! Instead of dealing with overpowered E-motos that are not street legal, are way too fast and often ridden by dangerously clueless nimrods pulling shenanigans like riding 4-5 abreast or doing fucking wheelies.
No, instead they're like "hey what about these day glo yellow jacket mofos doing turn signals with their arms? They seem like the real problem here." And TBH the entire moral panic about freaking E-bikes is goofy. In the last month alone in my city, half a dozen pedestrians got mowed down by cars. I think there were 3 deaths in the last 2 weeks alone. But I guess we don't talk about that? JFC.
Gizmorum@reddit
as a CA resident wtf is with limiting class 1 and 2 bicycles instead of handling the real issue
jekkies-@reddit
ironically, the link that OP included actually IS trying to handle the real issue. the post's title is opposing AB 1557, but the link they want u to click and oppose is for SB 1667, a completely different bill that aims to crack down on E-MOTOs being sold as e-bikes, y'know, the real issue.
often_wears_pants@reddit
I think you mean SB 1167
Gizmorum@reddit
Thank you
Not2plan@reddit
First time paying attention to our legislature?
theoriginalchrise@reddit
Um. I am frequently on trails with folks going \~25 mph on regular bikes.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
Are you complaining or bragging?
theoriginalchrise@reddit
Sorry, comprehension is not your strong suit. I hope Darian gets his intelligence from his mother.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
Intelligent people answer direct questions. I guess you're not one.
theoriginalchrise@reddit
Intelligent people were helmets. You aren't one of them. [)
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
You must be MAGA. You have zero evidence to accuse me of that yet that's where you take your argument. I won't bother to prove you wrong as you are not very shrewd.
g11berg@reddit
FYI CalBike is against AB 1557. And also 1942 2346 and 956
oldfrancis@reddit
Stop lying.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
Who pissed in your corn flakes?
oldfrancis@reddit
You're providing misleading information. Look at you, stirring up shit.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
You're entitled to your opinion just like your butthole. They both stink.
John-AtWork@reddit
From bill AB 1557:
John-AtWork@reddit
Find your California Representative: https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/
Let them know you are against this bill.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
I could be wrong but I believe making a general comment to the author of the bill allows everyone who votes on it to see the comments.
John-AtWork@reddit
Good info, thanks.
welshTerrier2@reddit
The guy in the video argued that you would be safer getting hit from behind by a car going 30 or 35 if your bike could go 28 mph instead of just 16. For that very specific example, he is correct.
But the premise of his argument, i.e. that a 28 mph bike, let's say on the road, is safer is not correct. More speed leads to more serious injuries.
A fairly small percentage of car-bike crashes are caused by overtaking cars. Some estimates suggest the percentage is around 10 to 15 percent. Other reasons, though, mostly include intersection crashes, bad road surfaces like potholes, wet painted lines, railroad tracks, and other causes.
So the issue is not just about cars hitting e-bikers from behind. With greater speeds, you get longer stopping distances. We all understand this. The highest rate of car-bike collisions occur in intersections. At lower speeds, a cyclist has a better chance of stopping or slowing before a crash occurs and a much better chance of making a sharp turn to avoid the crash. On wet roads or roads with sand or potholes or railroad tracks, more speed adds more danger and worse accident outcomes.
None of this is intended to argue that laws should ban faster two-wheeled vehicles. But it is intended to argue that with increased risk due to higher speeds, issues like licensing (and rider education), registration, insurance, age restrictions, helmet requirements, and where these e-vehicles may be ridden should be considered.
The delineation between e-bikes and e-motos seems like a very arbitrary distinction. Speed increases are not binary like that. It's not one or the other; there is a continuum of higher and higher speeds. In my view, one class, perhaps the only class, of e-bikes should have a "capactiy" that closely aligns with what an average rider could do on an average manual bike. Looked at in this manner, an e-bike is intended to give their riders "parity" with manual bikes but no more. That, then, would qualify it as a form of "bicycle". It acts like a bicycle in terms of its capabilities. Anything else is a "not bike" and should carry a different label.
Again, this isn't suggesting we ban other two-wheeled modes of transportation but rather that we regulate them differently. There have been almost endless debates about what those regulations should be and I don't see those debates ending anytime soon.
One thing is for sure ... we need far better data collection to help guide policy determinations. Whatever your views, we should demand the best obtainable information about safety so that policies and laws are not based on emotions or media hype. Every e-bike bill should always push for that.
E-bike policies in the US have been a colossal nightmare. I doubt anyone likes what is going on. With the public as polarized as it seems to be right now, it's hard to see how we're going to implement changes that will make e-bike riding safer while retaining a reasonable amount of individual freedoms ... and that's too bad.
dariansdad@reddit (OP)
I don't disagree with most of what you said. But I think limiting the top speed of e-bikes is the wrong direction. Separating e-bikes and emotos is a definite must in my opinion. I don't think any sane rational person considers a suron an e-bike.
I wish our government could start with enforcement of existing laws and see how that works. New laws without enforcement cost money and time and consternation.
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
16mph is insane, I can get a 2x8 speed that will fucking outrun that.
SadHighlight7044@reddit
Lol real. Heyo also fellow trans person :3
Pretty-Yam-2854@reddit
:3
PsychologicalTest523@reddit
I could do 15mph on my single speed bike when I was a kid
Worried_Document8668@reddit
US ebike laws are an absolute shitshow.
You guys need a clear federal framework and some kind of a controlling instance on what actually hits the markets
Persistent_Parkie@reddit
That will not happen. We are 50 fiefdoms in a trench coat masquerading as a country.
Solid_Science4514@reddit
The problem is that the people responsible for the regulations don’t know shit about e-bikes or the difference between e-bike and e-motos.
papertowelroll17@reddit
There is a thing called a constitution. A federal framework for ebike regulation of all things would definitely be against that lol.
DonnPT@reddit
I think the US might be better off with an anarchic mess now, and nail the regulatory model down after the dust settles somewhat. Based on established practical use of ebikes, not the current ferment.
ElectroNight@reddit
CA believes in control of all things physical because no human is allowed to exhibit or own accountability. Is never the operator, always the inanimate object that is at fault.
Exciting-Peak70@reddit
There is nothing logical about this bill.
lkstaack@reddit
Have you read the bill? It doesn't do any of what you said.
MrKamikazi@reddit
Right off the bat 16 mph is enough to oppose this. 20 mph is better being much closer to the reasonable top end of non-electric bikes.
However I'm not sure it is a big deal otherwise. It seems to be defining a class of e-bikes for general use. Recreation, errands on side streets and bike paths, maybe some commuting. A usage closer to a non-electric bike.
Is 250 nominal wats too low? Yes, just like 16 mph. But the idea of defining a recreational e-bike and a different category for e-mopeds isn't inherently a big problem.
jekkies-@reddit
did any of the commenters even read the proposed legislation in the link before condemning it?
holy shit guys, the OP is literally lying, nothing in the provided link mentions anything about restricting ebikes to 250 watts and 16mph, it specifically mentions keeping the existing legality of 750 watts and up to 20mph for class 1 and 2, and 28mph for class 3.
all its talking about is cracking down on things being mislabeled as bicycles, such as e-motos that don't have pedals, or only have pedals as a loophole and go 30+mph
Bobby_Strong556@reddit
Criminalize the behavior, not the hardware.