Decisions paralysis. 9070xt vs 5070ti
Posted by Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 170 comments
In my country, the best price for these cards are 5070ti 1350 AUD ≈ 945 USD
9070xr 900 AUD ≈ 630 USD
I literally cannot decide and could probably use some help.
I'm pairing either with a 7800x3d
I would like to raytrace and upscale on some games, like resident evil requiem.
I run 1440p 360fps monitor.
please help me guys I've been in an ADHD fixation tunnel for hours.
I could splurge the extra money but I do like to get value.
how much worse is the raytracing plus upscale for the 9070xt?
AK_R@reddit
I got the Sapphire Nitro+ with Crimson Desert and a 1000W PSU (that I will probably sell because I have a better one already) for $799 total. This is considered to be one of the very best versions of this card if not the best overall (probably either the Nitro+ or XFX Mercury then maybe PowerColor Red Devil).
The lowest 5070 Ti was like $1000 and ran all the way up to +$1,600.
Just in case you assumed I'm exaggerating:
https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-rog-strix-rtx5070ti-o16g-gaming-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16gb-video-cards-triple-fans/p/1FT-000Y-00C88
There is just no way I'm spending that much more for similar performance. FSR4 is really impressive and blows away FSR3. And frame generation seems to actually work well now on AMD cards. It wasn't great in the early days of release, but now it's fantastic for single player games. I have been having a very positive experience with the 9070 XT so far.
jaberwockie@reddit
I was in the same situation and went 5070ti. The funny thing is im in a low income country and this was a huge amount of money. I could have saved a good chunk and gone 9070xt but I still didnt.
This was my reasoning. I cannot afford to think like a rich person from the west who can just buy every other gen as seems the norm. Instead, my objective is to get the best I can get when I am buying something so that it will last me a while.
If I went 9070xt, I would be happy for a while until its 2 years down the line and the games that I want to play still lack FSR4 or good frame gen. Meanwhile, there is more than enough evidence that nvidia supports a ton of more games.
Optiscaler is all well and good but even now it doesnt work on vulkan games for instance.
I have my 5070ti and the experience I am having with frame gen makes me happy because I know I made the right decision.
Always go with your gut regardless of what redditors tell you though. My previous PC was a 3070 and a 12400f. It was a good combo and I initially wanted to use it with a 1080p monitor because my objective was longevity. Yet, I got convinced by redditors on this sub who said "3070 is wasted on a 1080p monitor. You need a 1440p monitor or it's a waste"
So many people had this same opinion that I went against my gut and upgraded my monitor. Was such a shitty decision. Sure, it was a little nicer, but I had a 21.5 inch 1080p monitor before. So it was virtualy the exact same PPI when I went to 27 inch 1440p monitor. No difference in clarity just a bigger screen size and a 25% performance loss.
If I had not listened to redditors on this sub, I would still be on my 3070 at 1080p and perfectly happy. Trust your gut. Right now, it seems to be pointing toward nvidia, so go for it.
If you're rich enough that this doesn't matter to you then why care? just flip a coin and choose since you can afford to upgrade 2 generations from now.
RX-XR@reddit
I have both 5080 and 9070XT. Except for PT the AMD card can play pretty much anything I throw at it in native 4K. So for now the upscaling doesn’t really matter much. But once the cards are succeeded by newer generations then it will become a factor, but by that time FSR support will be there in one way or another, for now optiscaler doesn’t support Vulcan but it will not stay that way forever. So there is literally no reason to go with nvidia if you are only concerned about gaming and money is a significant factor. Once new cards are released the drop in value of the overpriced nvidia cards will be much greater than AMD ones. Meaning that by selling your old cart to upgrade you will lose much more money with nvidia. Also, considering that MFG and PT require a lot of memory, your 16gb nvidia card may become obsolete sooner than you think. Especially when leaks are saying nvidia plans to increase the vram for the next generation, and PC games are known for their shitty optimization.
BDB-ISR-@reddit
I picked the 5070ti over the 9070xt, because it was only 10% more, I wouldn't do that if it were 50% more. You get similar performance, as long as you're not using RT. If you are using RT, well, it can be as much as 50% weaker, but in more games it's around 20-30% less performance. Kinda depends if you want RT or not, imho not worth 300 usd.
s0ul_2077@reddit
Go amd, you’ll regret not going nvidia but you remember you saved 315$.
DonkeyLord113@reddit
I got the 5070. It was already a huge upgrade from what I previously had (amd rx6600) and I wanted to experience decent ray tracing. Cant say I regret it. They're both more than enough for pretty much every game.
IllRadish8765@reddit
Just buy the 5070Ti. The 9070XT is the right choice but you already seem biased towards Nvidia. Just buut the card you won't regret owning later.
Relevant_Ring_5055@reddit
First i downvoted you because 9070 XT is way More raw Power / value but then i red further and totally agreed. OP is fixated having NVIDIA card so he should just buy it and play 30% tax on it, no need for having strangers tell you that it's The good move
pablodamex9@reddit
Had both prefer the 5070ti by far frame gen and dlss exists
Bentok@reddit
Right? What does a few raw frames more mean, when the upscaler is blurry, for example.
SeKT_NOR@reddit
Id rather not use upscalers/taa at all
Bentok@reddit
DLAA or even DLSS Quality look better than native though
SeKT_NOR@reddit
nothing looks better than no taa with downscaling
Degru@reddit
DLSS Quality only looks better than native compared to TAA, because TAA sucks. Games that have DLSS typically only have some form of TAA as the non proprietary option.
Bentok@reddit
It was also very demanding and not very reliable.
Good on you for ignoring it, but DLAA is the best modern choice.
Degru@reddit
How was it not reliable?
DLAA is also really demanding for that matter. But I do agree visually it does seem to be the best of the current crop of temporal AA implementations.
Bentok@reddit
It doesn't always work on all edges.
TumorInMyBrain@reddit
Fsr4 is pretty close to dlss 4 and 4.5 though. The only problem is AMD lacks support for most games which you have to use optiscaler to put fsr4 into games
TrueLurkStrong-Free@reddit
DLSS 3? Maybe, but I definitely wouldn't put it near DLSS 4, let alone 4.5. XeSS is much cleaner and looks better in my opinion.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
What a piece of condescending slop. What about me genuinely asking a question suggested I'm fixated on Nvidia. The actually helpful comments helped me choose AMD.
SeKT_NOR@reddit
Amd is way better on linux if you into that, Nvidia seem to have weird issues here and there sometimes, but for windows nvidia was less stuttery for me but that was 2 years ago, not going back to windows on main pc
BoxOfBlades@reddit
Owners of AMD GPUs get really defensive about not being able to get the superior product and make everything about dollars per frame to try and feel better.
Ill_Specific_6144@reddit
Yeah there is such a weird fanboyism for amd here on reddit. Like the CPU's are excellent, but gpus are really behind. Even market share wise they are severely behind. Yet on reddit they praise them.
Recent_Run_9603@reddit
You better not look at the sales ratio this year
Relevant_Ring_5055@reddit
That won't Be of interest to me, im most often buying for myself, not for others.
Imagine If there would Be product thats basically exactly same exept it's 33% cheaper, only to not buy it because other people are buying The More expensive item :D
Recent_Run_9603@reddit
What I'm saying is that in Europe, AMD cards are now purchased 30% more often than Nvidia ones. You can literally buy a 9070 xt for the 5060 Ti price. Hardware unboxed recently talked about this.
If the guy I was answering to was so concerned about market share, he'd probably be just as concerned about the number of cards purchased this year. lol
Relevant_Ring_5055@reddit
Ah, My Bad for misunderstanding. But yeah, NVIDIA doesn't have any Monopoly here :v
Relevant_Ring_5055@reddit
Sorry, i have this weird fetish towards whoever makes The GPU with best Price/performance ratio, i don't really care at all whose name is on it :)
Ill_Specific_6144@reddit
Amd only looks good on paper on low-mid models. Higher level models are just plain worse.
Relevant_Ring_5055@reddit
I base My opinions on that matter with reviews, youtube comparasion-videos, hardware tests and Price tags. So if all reviews, hardware tests and prices points towards one thing, i usually go for it
More_Outside7127@reddit
At these prices it’s a 50% tax
Dorennor@reddit
5070ti is 1:1 raw power to 9070XT with some fluctuations depending on games, just to correct your point.
EzraTheMage@reddit
Raw power/ value
I'm assuming that meant performance per dollar.
Yes, they are both essential the same when it comes to raster performance
Relevant_Ring_5055@reddit
Yes, you red that correctly, i specifically talked about value as in FPS per dollar, not pure Power those cards produce
arcusford@reddit
I think generally FPS per dollar decreases as you go up and personally id pay the extra 50-100 bucks for 50-100 bucks worth of extra performance
ThunderKats351@reddit
Yep I have a 5070ti maybe cost me more at the same performance but I'm an old geek and like Nvidia more.
Fredasa@reddit
That's not really fair to OP, at all. You're reframing his valid concerns over the 9070XT's understood shortcomings as bias.
ElectricGhostMan@reddit
"guys help me choose between thing that does x and thing that does y. p.s. I really care about x and hear that thing 2 that does y is worse at x." what else is anyone supposed to get from the post?
Fredasa@reddit
The word "bias" carries connotations of unfairness or distorted judgment. One doesn't toss the word around without specifically meaning the target of their observation is exhibiting such. "Preference" is the word you use when you don't mean "bias."
Crinkez@reddit
Nvidia is the only one with Cuda cores and has better features over all. I was always Radeon until my most recent purchase. Having gone Nvidia once I'll never go back to Radeon.
AnApexBread@reddit
Technically you're correct but AMD added STREAM cores to the RDNA4 architecture. So the 9070 series can handle Ray Tracing at ultra. It can't really park tracing through.
So your 30% price increase really only gets Path Tracing
Crinkez@reddit
Might be useful for gaming, but adoption for machine learning and brute force Cuda work will take a while.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
I am not biased. There is just a sea of crap about each card that's got me indecisive. My original plan, before over analysis, was AMD.
Redm1st@reddit
Raytracing wise AMD somewhat caught up. DLSS and path tracing, Nvidia is better. Although I’m pretty sure those two cards can handle anything 1440p without upscaling features on raw power alone right now
Miilloooo@reddit
It depends on what FPS you’re targeting. I have a 5080 and I use upscaling and frame gen in every graphically intensive game I play because I like to have 200+ fps. Frame gen is magic when you start with 100ish base fps.
StunningPush8421@reddit
No they def need upscaling even at 1440p.
RT and PT are super intensive even at 1080p they would need a bit of upscaling and the 9070 xt even with upscaling can't max out 1440p I am using one right now
lamp7777@reddit
Look up videos on youtube if path tracing is something you want. 9070 XT cannot run RE9 and many other current and likely upcoming games with proper path tracing and ray reconstruction.
5070 Ti is very capable of running all current path tracing games that I know maxed out at high fps with upscaling and frame generation on a 1440p monitor. I have played most of them.
elaphros@reddit
I got the 9070xt and I'm running around Crimson Desert with everything on Ultra and textures on cinematic, if that helps. Doesn't like borderless window mode though.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
What an actual piss take. What about my question suggested bias you absolute lizard? I went AMD after reading some of the actually helpful stuff.
Right-Fly4649@reddit
my 9070 xt and friend's one too had issues such as micro stutters we don't know if its just our graphics card or shitty drivers but i found out about about shader compilation that is probably the problem we going throught even tho is really unoticeable of a micro stutter still is pretty bad to spend 700+ dollars for a card to have such issue which my old 1660 never had... i just know that both card compile shaders in game differently for some reason i googled it and i guess so its real
Bodan_icus@reddit
5070 TI definetly if you fancy ray tracing, you can also path trace easily with it at 1440p. 9070 XT cannot path trace and ray trace that good.
Difficult_Physics704@reddit
I just traded my 4060 for a 9070xt and the 9070xt ABSOLUTELY SLAPS the 4060 in the mouth. Its a damn nice card..
Pitiful_Tea_4769@reddit
I have a 9070xt and the difference for me to a 5070ti was 383 USD.
The 9070xt is a beast of a card and I specifically cared more for raw raster/dollar because of the games I play BUT:
IMO, if you can splurge and it won't hit you hard financially (you can comfortably afford it), a 5070ti is justified for your peace of mind alone as well as the fact that FSR5 is unlikely to come to RDNA4, which is a shame. (By the fact FSR4 is supported only in RDNA4 cards and not RDNA3 even though it has been proven that RDNA3 can run FSR4).
AMD has been just shooting themselves in the foot alot and I say that despite having an AMD+AMD system.
In the end, just buy whatever you will have the least regrets over. I would, in my position still go for the 9070xt (because it freed massive budget to go for binned hynix A-Die RAM), but it's really up to you.
What's important is the total system outcome for your use case.
Old-Awareness2848@reddit
Idk i returned my 9070xt and and went the other way around and its been way better for me at least. Adrenaline constantly resetting my settings and other things got annoying real quick to me especially when neither is cheap. Also do you just game ? Idk i feel like nvidia crushes the min you wanna do things outside of that.
vyrix_sentinelofsol@reddit
For the reset of your settings, did you have other software that does similar installed? I ran into an issue where it would prioritise my msi afterburner settings rather than adrenaline, that would reset my settings too. Maybe that’s what it was? Since I uninstalled ab it hasn’t reset once
Old-Awareness2848@reddit
Nope just adrenaline
vyrix_sentinelofsol@reddit
Interesting, mine kinda fixed itself when I uninstalled conflicting softwares
Old-Awareness2848@reddit
Yea im not sure wasnt crashing or anything
manor2003@reddit
For that price gap easily 9070xt
realWulfLives@reddit
9070xt is a no brainer. Get the XFX mercury card.
MrFartyBottom@reddit
It's really not worth $400 extra dollarydoos for the 5070ti. You will get better raytracing support but fuck raytracing, it is an FPS thief that is just not worth it.
vyrix_sentinelofsol@reddit
This is exactly my take on raytracing, I hate it. I never wanted games to be hyper realistic I wanted a fun/good performing experience
Silly_Word8688@reddit
its pretty bad and the 5070ti is eh from what ive seen
vyrix_sentinelofsol@reddit
In what way is the 9070xt bad exactly? I’m curious
vyrix_sentinelofsol@reddit
9070xt is just as good if not better at pure rasterisation, if you care about raytracing ofc the 5070ti is stronger there but imo it’s negligible and atleast for me personally the lost fps isn’t worth for a few better reflections. So far I’ve not found a game I can’t run on ultra at atleast 100+FPS
travelintel@reddit
5070TI no regrets
False_Anteater4203@reddit
Hey, also had an adhd spiral situation and bought a pc, was deciding between a 5070ti and 9070xt as well.
Just get the 9070xt bro. Its fucking awesome and way cheaper. Ignoring the marginal improvements from the 5070, the 9070 is solid. I also bought it to play re9 and it runs it on high at >120fps with ultra raytracing. It works great bro.
XFantomApe@reddit
Meilleur rapport performance/prix pour la 9070 Mais si tu veux du raytracing prend la 5070ti
GroceryLonely8731@reddit
5070ti is clearly the better card but it’s not even the money difference rather the price, no one should pay 900+ for a card named 70ti that’s a straight up scam.
cidtheratboy@reddit
I don't know what all these other guys are saying, but I was in the same boat with this decision and went for the 9070xt...
Now in KDC2 there is red in the grass textures. I wish I'd have bought the 5070.
It worked out ok tho as I moved to Linux and it prefers AMD stuff.
Loose-Safety6975@reddit
dipende tutto dal budget, hai la possibilita di spendere 300-400AUD in piu? fallo, non ne gai la possibilita ho spenderesti di piu rispetto a quanto pensavi? non farlo. inoltre in 1440p sono identiche le differenze sono di 3-5fps che dipende dal titolo mentre in raytracing la 5070tu é circa il 15% piu veloce che risulterebbe il circa 10 fps con una base di 120fps
ndaonreddit@reddit
if you don't care about the burning connection situation get the nvidia, 5070ti is a better choice overall (do not get a gigabyte variant because of the thermal shit putty)
Technical_Weekend943@reddit
Thease kids. With all the data out here. Not knowing who to choose hahaha
Desperate-Ad-1979@reddit
Go the 5070ti mate. I recently did a 9060xt build, ended up not being satisfied and was stuck with the same decision of whether to go a 9070xt or a 5070ti. Went with Nvidia I’m very happy I did in the end. Nothing against AMD but Nvidia is just straight up. Also paired with a 7800x3d, it’s an elite build
LittleWarPiggy@reddit
I kinda agree with some of the other commenters OP. I don’t think anyone’s opinion under this post is gonna help with your decision paralysis.
You already have all of the info. In terms of better value for money the 9070 XT is the answer here. But you say you have the money to spend, who are we to tell you to spend significantly more on slightly better performance.
On the off chance it does impact you, for that price difference the 9070 XT is absolutely the way to go
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
I actually wanted facts more than opinions. Some people have made me way more comfortable with the AMD pick. I was already more tempted with it anyway. I was just a little worried the 9070xt wouldn't age as well. I don't like to upgrade.
Terakahn@reddit
Factually if you don't know which one you want then both are the same.
No card is immune to time.
LittleWarPiggy@reddit
“Some people have made me more comfortable with the AMD pick” What? Do your research then to make sure? You’ll only find more people on Reddit giving you their thoughts on GPU vs the other? That sentence alone says that you want more opinions than facts.
The facts are 5070 Ti has better ray tracing and upscaling. It also has also more supported games for that upscaling. But as it stands it’s 315$ more expensive. IMO that’s not worth it as a value proposition. But if you have the money and don’t care about value proposition, then like do what you want.
FYI Hardware Unboxed is an Aussie based tech-media outlet and they’ve done several videos on this EXACT topic so the info is out there. I mean every tech-media outlet has done a video on this topic.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
Thankyou for directing my to something useful bro. 🤓
Smurftheurf@reddit
Google.com
PandaBearJelly@reddit
All just add to this a touch as someone who somewhat recently switched from Nvidia to a 9070xt. The biggest thing you're going to notice is the lack of native support for FSR if you enjoy a lot of indie titles or AAA older than a year or so. Thankfully Optiscsler works pretty well to resolve that, but it is an extra step that we shouldn't need to go through.
The quality of FSR 4+ isn't practically much different from DLSS. If you pixel peep there are differences, but if actually just play your games it's pretty interchangeable. It's just not very widely available natively.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
"FYI Hardware Unboxed is an Aussie based tech-media outlet and they’ve done several videos on this EXACT topic"
So being wrong about your bias accusations inspired you to produce something useful! Brilliant! 🤓
MarxistMan13@reddit
Don't ask forums for facts. Watch reviews and benchmarks. You're on the wrong website to get the info you want.
minos-and-v1-kissing@reddit
It should age about as well.
The main differences between the cards are the price and path tracing. AMD has caught up more recently in terms of ray tracing, but path tracing is where Nvidia still dominates.
Is better path tracing worth $300 to you? Sure as hell ain’t to me.
gakule@reddit
If it helps, I agonized over this same decision. In the end I just realized that "future proofing" or "aging well" is sort of a red herring and recognized that I'm going to want to upgrade in 3-5 years either way so I just went more burget friendly. Invest the extra you'd spend to fund your next card buy 🙂
ButterscotchTop194@reddit
Go check out reviews with benchmarks then. Those have all the facts you need. You won't find answers here.
eOAnsari@reddit
9070XT just because you won't ever have to worry about a burnt connector and a possible dead GPU.
itsonlyshorts@reddit
I'm also Aussie. Got the 9070XT because it's just simply better and cheaper. (Sapphire Nitro+)
If games you want to play have FSR 4 support then it's a no brainer 9070XT.
If the main games you play don't have official FSR 4 support, then go with NVIDIA.
Expedition 33 has FSR 4 support which runs beautifully at 1440P for me on mixed ultra/high. 280-300 FPS virtually all the time.
Opening_Evidence6360@reddit
I went from a 5080 to a 9070 XT to a 5070.
If the 5080 didn’t have stability issues I wouldn’t have kept it, but in hindsight I wish I got the 5070 TI.
The 5070 has been amazing with DLSS @ 4K/1440p, but the 12gb of ram is borderline an issue with certain games at high settings.
LennelCW@reddit
If you value upscaling and other fluff like Frame Gen, not even a contest. I had a Sapphire 9070 XT Nitro+. Raster was good, FSR was okay but it has the halo/shimmering look especially with frame gen on. RT gives a big hit on fps. I genuinely thought it was a great card until a tried a 5070 Ti. Everything is just crispier without the artifacts that I had on the 9070 XT.
Plus with a $450 difference, and you are still considering the more expensive nvidia tells me that it's not a budget decision but a performance decision. Do yourself a favor and buy an nvidia. It's literally a set it and forget it card and you dont have to fight any drivers
Trick_Rice_6338@reddit
just wait for the next adhd tunnel where your debating between the 5070 ti and the 5080. thats where im at.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
I did that for a bit already. Then I realized I was $1000 AUD up from where I originally started.
Evebnumberone@reddit
Been very happy with my 9070xt. Can recommend. Absolutely zero issues.
Put away the difference and use it on an upgrade in a few years.
PowerfulAgent9939@reddit
5070 TI
Raunien@reddit
If ray tracing and upscaling is what you want, it's the 5070 hands down, assuming you are willing to pay the extra. For pure rendering performance, they're about the same.
Llew19@reddit
At this point you know the value card is the 9070xt.... but if you're set on nvidia and splurging, why not just go nuts and get a 5080? At least that way you know you're not compromising
Capital_Orchid1725@reddit
9070XT owner here who was considering 5070Ti, but ultimately due to fairly big price difference opted for AMD:
9070XT can go toe to toe with 5070Ti in both raster and ray traced content. Some games favor Nvidia, some AMD, but it's always neck and neck. Where 5070Ti clearly wins is path tracing. Not due to stronger performance, but better denoising. Ray Reconstruction is a must for good denoising there and AMD lacks that. Its Ray Regeneration is currently only in two games - CoD and Crimson Desert, and none of those are even path traced in the first place.
5070Ti claims decisive victory with Nvidia's suite. While FSR 4 is really good and in 4K it produces really great results, the lack of implementation in games means that you need to fiddle with Optiscaler a lot which can be a hassle.
changen@reddit
I bought a 9070xt, sidegraded to 4080Super for DLSS and then sidegraded back to 9070xt.
There is almost no real difference unless you want to play some games at maxed out ray tracing.
Save your money and the fixation for something else lol.
Fun-Engineering3451@reddit
The 9070 XT is the best choice in terms of performance, although you may observe worse results from ray tracing and scaling than you do in Nvidia’s DLSS , which let’s face it is important when it comes to games such as Resident Evil.
caffeine-182@reddit
Raster performance is essentially identical. 5070 ti has better RT/PT support. DLSS and FSR 4 are extremely close however DLSS is better supported.
Up to you if the difference is worth the $315 difference.
Tatsuya1221@reddit
I feel it must be stated that there is a way to get dlss support on amd hardware (or intel, but that's neither here nor there) through the use of dlss enabler tool, not gonna claim it's perfect since not every game works perfect with it but it must be stated when talking about dlss imo.
That said the amount of games that would actually require dlss to get 120+fps on a 9070xt at 1440p is probably a bigger hurdle than the dlss issue itself.
Bentok@reddit
I feel like you're not playing most modern games, 120+ without upscaler is a 5090 thing more often than not.
Tatsuya1221@reddit
I play enough of them, the ones that need upscaling on a 9070xt or a 5070ti at 1440p i find aren't common enough to not just use optiscaler or dlss enabler on a amd card, that said i will admit i do have a bit of a bias here as i fully switched to linux about a year ago so i haven't used a windows pc since.
Also the fact i almost never run games with ultra settings, even if i can get 144+, due to rarely seeing a difference and in the case of path tracing i actively avoid it.
Bentok@reddit
Give me examples please, because just off the top of my head, good looking newer games that I've played recently that are not near 120+ native:
Crimson Desert, MH Wilds, FF16, RDR2!, Jedi Survivor, Cyberpunk, Control.
And mind you, I'm not talking about balls to the walls Ultra Max RT everything, I usually put settings between high and ultra.
To say that it's not really common to find games that do not hit 120+ native is delusional, in my opinion. It's certainly not a "big hurdle", just play any modern, realistic looking game.
Tatsuya1221@reddit
I avoid most of the games you mentioned for one reason or another, probably the hardest game i've ran myself is clair obscure, though i have considered testing out cyberpunk again.
The biggest problem is what a person considers normal i guess, keep forgetting most people play FPS's when i'm still a old school 4x and rpg player lol.
Still i do stand by my point on the cards, but i will be willing to concede that you might have more reason to use upscaling than i initially believed (though i still would just use optiscaler instead of spending nearly 300$ more on a gpu at that point).
BoxOfBlades@reddit
I don't understand, you have the money for the superior product, so get that one. You won't be path tracing anything with an AMD card.
XXXperiencedTurbater@reddit
The way I look at it is this: spend more if you want to and don’t feel the need to justify it to yourself or anyone. That $300 more dollars you spend now is nothing in the big picture. If it makes any difference at all to your life a year from now you had way bigger shit happen that you should worry about.
It sucks that it’s a lot of money but I’d rather not have any regrets for a big purchase. And also - hindsight is NOT the same as regret. I know now that if I waited a week longer on my build I would’ve been able to get a 9800x3d. And now I prob would’ve splurged on 64gb ram. Those aren’t regrets, just better decisions I could have made w info I didn’t have.
So e.g. if the price drops on the one you didn’t buy next week I wouldn’t worry about that, thst’s just life
DeathSOA@reddit
5070ti was 300 more dollars at the time here in Canada so I went with the 9070xt..
It's a beast of a card.....you'll have zero regrets.
If you do video rendering or things like that the 5070ti is better...but for gaming it's negligible.
thefuzzylogic@reddit
To my knowledge the AMD card has equivalent performance for gaming, unless the games you play have heavy ray tracing or you use AI upscaling (e.g. FSR or DLSS). The Nvidia card has significantly better compute performance (e.g. local AI inferencing, 3D modelling, content creation, etc).
So if you just plan to game on it at native resolution playing shooters or esports titles, then choose AMD all day long. If you use upscaling or RT, or you use the card for work in addition to gaming, then go with Nvidia.
HyruleanKnight37@reddit
5070Ti is:
- 5% faster on average in Raster
- 15-20% faster on average in RT
- Significantly (over 30%) faster in PT + RR is a necessity which 9070XT is yet to fulfill
- DLSS upscaling is better, but not by enough for the average person to care unless both are compared side by side. Even then, you're going to have to do series pixel-peeping. Watch HUB's comparison of DLSS4.5 vs FSR4.1
- Much wider DLSS support, but since the release of FSR4.x almost every new AAA games has had it so I don't think this is as big of a deal. Also, Optiscaler can fill in where FSR4.x support is lacking.
- DLSS FG 2x is far superior in terms of framepacing, but not everyone cares a bout FG, so your mileage may vary
- MFG 4x/6x isn't as good as some would lead you to believe- it's usable in extremely niche scenarios, and you have to use a gamepad to not feel the latency. Artifacting in cases where base framerate is below 60 fps (a la, PT in AAA eye-candy games) is very noticeable and imo not worth it.
Now you can decide if all that is worth the 50% price premium.
It's a hard no for me, because:
- PT isn't quite there yet, both in games and GPU performance. I've personally written it off until at least RTX 7000 series, dunno about what AMD's doing but precedence dictates they'll take longer.
- Since I've written PT off, RR isn't a big deal either.
- Upscaling is also not a necessity most of time because both of these cards are very capable of high framerates at native 1440p, even with RT. Maybe it'll be relevant after 5 years but I doubt FSR4.x or whatever AMD's got next will that far behind DLSS, especially considering the latter has nearly reached perfection and is now looking into whatever the f*** that DLSS5 showcase was.
I'm willing to pay maybe a 20-25% premium for all the nice extras, but I also recognize I won't be using them in most cases. By the time I will, neither of these two cards will be relevant at a capacity that makes up for what I'm paying today.
StrifeTribal@reddit
I was trying to make the same decision as you OP a couple of months ago.
I could have gotten the 5070 Ti, 5080 or the 9070 XT.
I went with the 9070 XT and I don't regret it one bit. It handles ray tracing a little worse than the 5070 Ti and FSR isn't as good as DLSS (Its not NEARLY as bad as its made out to be) and FSR4+FSR4.1 have made some really great improvements. I love the 1% lows, my averages, its a powerhouse. I have thrown every new game at it like Crimson Desert and Pragmata and it runs perfectly and beautifully.
You might lose out on path tracing. It's just... not worth it to turn on. But I'd also argue its not that great to turn on with a 5070 Ti.
My decision boiled down to this take and not everyone will agree with it: If I want software go for Nvidia. If I want hardware go with AMD.
In the end I think both are great cards and you can't go wrong.
AnApexBread@reddit
The 5070Ti is good, but not an extra $300 good just for Path Tracing
Ok_Virus_749@reddit
Will you ever sell the card in the future? Buy the 5070ti.
The extra money from the sale will make the current price difference make sense, as dlss and the other features are definitely worth more money but not as much as the current price difference.
Framed-Photo@reddit
That's a very hefty premium to pay for the 5070ti, and that's coming from a 5070ti owner. I had a 9070xt and it's definitely still a good card, even if I think the whole experience of using the 5070ti is significantly better than a lot of tech reviewers give it credit for.
It sounds to me like you're going to care a lot about the features Nvidia provides, and if that's the case then I think the time saved from not having to mess around with third party mods to get things working, along with Nvidia having higher quality features, is more than enough to justify a price gap tbh. You'll have to constantly be tinkering with things on AMD to get nice features like upscaling, but Nvidia you can usually just set your DLSS preference in the app and you're good to go.
minos-and-v1-kissing@reddit
If they were the same price, it’d be a tough call but I’d probably go for the 9070xt. With this price difference, it’s a no brainer.
Are you willing to pay 50% more for much less than 50% more performance?
zensentsu@reddit
If you like PT you have to choose nvidia. If you don't care for it, amd card is cheaper and probably the best money to performance ratio.
a_manofmanyinterests@reddit
I was facing this exact situation, but canada. I went with the 9070xt and honestly have 0 regrets. The 400$ I saved I was able to afford ram and a larger ssd
Warcraft_Fan@reddit
Do you need CUDA or other NVidia specific feature? If not, go with the cheaper one
forgotmapasswrd86@reddit
That's too big of a gap in price imo to be thinking so hard over this. Unless you're a hard-core team green, the 9070xt is the better choice with those prices.
Several_Sweet_4298@reddit
In my experience with the 9070 non XT, the ray tracing and the upscaling is great, and it's most likely even better with the 9070 XT. If I was you I wouldn't really spend that much money on the 5070 ti considering that something cheaper like the 9070 XT has the exact same performance in most of the stuff. It the main use is purely gaming then go with AMD (and if you do, make sure to make a clean driver installation).
OttawaDog@reddit
As someone that bought an RTX 4070 in previous generation mostly for DLSS, today I would get the Radeon 9070 over the NVidia card at that kind of price difference.
FSR 4 is MUCH better than FSR 3, and close enough to DLSS now...
If you have any interest in Linux, definitely go AMD.
Breath-Present@reddit
How much worse?
Go watch CP2077 Path Tracing gameplay on these two cards. RE9 does not support Path Tracing on 9070XT officially. Can be tinkered. FSR4 is not natively supported by many games. Can be tinkered. The likelihood of getting new tech on 9070XT is low, seeing how FSR4 INT8 is still not officially support for its last gen 7900XTX flagship, while 2080 still get DLSS4.5.
Still, I find the price of 5070Ti too high. Possible to wait for sale?
Plini9901@reddit
The 2080 gets DLSS4 argument is kinda null since the performance impact on 20 and 30 cards for newer DLSS models is so high it defeats the purpose of upscaling.
Tatsuya1221@reddit
Path tracing on either card would be terrible to be fair, neither card really has the hardware for path tracing without DLSS/FSR and framegen.
When it comes to frame gen, it should be avoided over using path tracing imo, yes it's a great tech but it does effect latency far too much to justify it's use imo outside of a 5090 maybe.
KFC_Junior@reddit
nah our msrp is $1500 aud for a 5070ti its already way under lol
Breath-Present@reddit
Sorry to hear that. In my place, the price of cheapest 9070XT was quite close to the cheapest 5070Ti. It was before the NAND crisis though.
Pumciusz@reddit
9070xt played better in RE: Requiem, even with ray tracing. Neither of them can play with path tracing at 1440p without going hard on upscalling and/or frame generation, AMD just can't.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
That's definitely got me more comfortable with the AMD pick. Thankyou.
Perkelnik@reddit
Played through Requiem recently on my 9070xt @1440p with all bells and whistles, haven´t had any issues at all.
Tatsuya1221@reddit
So one major pro i haven't seen pointed out about the 9070xt is the fact that AMD has MUCH better linux support, so if your intending to mess with linux at all, i'd suggest the 9070xt.
Now this isn't to say nvidia's support on linux is unusable, but you do lose a good deal of performance on linux compared to windows, sometimes as high as 40% of a framedrop, while amd is on par and even surpasses it's windows counterpart in a few games.
PigSlam@reddit
The answer to this question is almost always "If you don't already know why it's worth spending more on Nvidia, go with AMD."
cizorbma88@reddit
Nvidia is bette r
harby13@reddit
If money is no object then sure 5070ti. But if those 300 bucks is a lot of cash for some other form of upgrade. For example peripherals, kb/mouse, speakers/headphones or even a new comfy chair, pixels alone ain't everything.
theskywalker74@reddit
Same price I’d choose 5070 TI. As soon as the 9070xt is cheaper by >$100 that’s the answer.
parcelsnotletters@reddit
I had a similar situation recently but between a 9060xt 16gb and a 5060ti 16gb. I went with the 9060xt and I have to say the ray tracing performance is excellent, at least as good as 40 series Nvidia cards.
Most-Philosopher6562@reddit
Look at the benchmarks. 5070ti is choppy on any framerate even when its higher fps than 9070xt look closely side by side u will know what i mean.
Amd gpu comminicates much better with the cpu. It happens on hardware level. Nvidia happening on software level, its all less in sync and more choppy. This was confirmed by hardware testers and is even more vidible on the latest 5000 series bc of the bad blackwell drivers.
KFC_Junior@reddit
"Look at the benchmarks. 5070ti is choppy on any framerate even when its higher fps than 9070xt look closely side by side u will know what i mean.
Amd gpu comminicates much better with the cpu. It happens on hardware level. Nvidia happening on software level, its all less in sync and more choppy. This was confirmed by hardware testers.
This alone is the biggest Argument for me even when i miss out on better upscaling better framegen and maybe better rt ist all useless when the game looks choppy.
Please look at benchmarks side by side and look at the floor or the character when the camera moves. The nvidia even 5070ti with double the fps looksmore choppy than a 9070."
what the actual fuck are you on about lmao, only way that statement holds true is if you have fg on for one and not the other
Most-Philosopher6562@reddit
I shouldnt waste my time with u but here u go: https://youtu.be/cNRfyXC9NNY go to 6:10 and there u have proof
KFC_Junior@reddit
yeah because some random channel on youtube is trustworthy. my own use has been perfectly fine, gamers nexus, HUB, LTT, TPU all have had zero issues. why the fuck would i believe that singular video
Most-Philosopher6562@reddit
U have no argument. I know u can see it now. I. checked at least 4 different sources on yt bc i thought someone is faking. It looks so apparent that nvidia runs choppy even compared to 9070 bemchmarks.
I dont wanna have argument with u. This my last reply gor the ppl who will ever stumbleupon this post. Just watch the benchmarks. Peace out.
KFC_Junior@reddit
link me a single big youtuber thats mentioned it. you do realise its incredibly fucking easy to fake those benchmark videos right???
Most-Philosopher6562@reddit
U watch benchmarks u dumbfck?
Valiadgr@reddit
I was in the same predicament a few months ago but it was easier for me because their difference was only 150 euros. In your case from a vfm standpoint 9070xt is so far ahead it's not even comparable. If 300 USD is not too much for you though, I would go with the 5070ti mostly due to the software gains. I hate Nvidia with a passion but unfortunately 5070ti would be a "better" card especially if you do not plan to upgrade again in the next 4-5 years.
raydialseeker@reddit
RT performance+ upscaling is pretty close. Path tracing on the other hand is a whole different thing.
If you want path tracing go with the 5070ti. Otherwise if you're fine with ray tracing go for the 9070xt. FSR5 also looks significantly better than dlss5 imo
StJe1637@reddit
The only reason to buy nvidia is if you need better performance than the best amd card can provide and don't care about money.
Raytracing is a meme. Upscaling sucks and isn't needed for either card at 1440p. 360fps is also a meme, most you need is like \~160-200.
DanielPlainview943@reddit
Trying to decide between two competing products while making a smart financial decision has zero connection to 'ADHD'
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
You're lame. I get in a dopamine loop from researching. Ive been doing this for 5 hours straight.
Orallover1960@reddit
I have ADHD also. I get it.
Orallover1960@reddit
I have a 9800 x3d and a 9700 xt. I am kicking ass in Crimson Desert in 1440p. I suggest you go the 9070 xt route and use the saved money on a second ssd or some other part upgrade or an accessory. I used my savings to buy the $259 2 yr extended warranty.
Ok-liberal@reddit
At the price difference the 5070ti is a horrific value just get the 9070xt
mashdpotatogaming@reddit
If you want RT and better upscaling then yeah maybe get the 5070 ti. It's unfortunate but even though the 9070xt does better at both upscaling and RT, ray regeneration is still not good enough as a denoiser, there's a lot less support for FSR4 upscaling, and some games are released with a complete lack of path tracing on AMD cards.
If those things interest you, then the AMD card will disappoint. On top of that frame generation is better on the Nvidia cards, and while it's not the most important feature, if you wanna run RT and PT, and want the smoothness of 120+fps, it's the best way to have the "best of both worlds" right now.
I don't think that price ofr the 5070 ti is good but considering your preferences the 9070xt won't be enough for you.
Culture-Careful@reddit
If I don't use the GPU fir productivity purposes, I'd just go amd here.
Trungyaphets@reddit
while Nvidia DLSS 4 upscaling supports all RTX gpus, AMD artificially limited FSR4 to 9000 series only. That tells you how a 9070 xt could be left in the dust by AMD when new features come out.
gokufire@reddit
I feel that AMD was cornered in this gen to push this greed strategy. They decided to not launch the high end cards, for some reason that is beyond me, but I speculate that the market of high end cards doesn't worth that much anymore, given the cost of those units. Since they don't offer high cards in this gen, they needed to keep their current line up top GPU attractive, otherwise why one would purchase a 9070 XT instead of a 7900 XTX if both would receive support for FSR4?
Big-Salamander-2158@reddit
It’s not 450$ worse.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
That's what I needed to be told I think. Just wanted abit more detail. I don't want to spend 450$ just to avoid abit of buyers remorse.
North3rnLigh7s@reddit
You can apply this same logic to 5070ti vs 5080.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
I've been caught in that trap already.
North3rnLigh7s@reddit
9070xt is the better value, and it isn’t close. The performance difference between 5070ti and 5080 is greater and the price difference is comparable.
Big-Salamander-2158@reddit
I own both, and while I do prefer the 5070ti, I wouldn’t spend that much extra on it. The 5070to has better software, and dlss is implemented in way more games. I don’t do too much ray tracing, but it hasn’t broken performance on the 9070xt or made me wish it would’ve been a 5070ti.
Purely for gaming, they’re pretty even, I would not spend 50% more on the 5070ti. You’re not getting your moneys worth in performance or features.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
Going AMD. Thank you to everyone that didn't immediately condescend and accuse me of bias!
luna214032@reddit
All I’m saying is the sapphire nitro+ rx 9070 xt is 100% a solid choice! Whatever you do. Do NOT use the cable that comes with it. Just use the one you already have!
just_gonna_send_er@reddit
Personally I’d go AMD and spend the money on other fun shit.
Upscaling is no different.
Ray tracing is going to be better on 5070ti.
But watch some benchmark videos and decide that way. There are a zillion out there.
Here it is for your exact scenario. https://youtu.be/cNRfyXC9NNY?si=UvyiKVhmgSL8K2g0
prank_mark@reddit
Go for the 9070 XT. The 5070 Ti is level in raster, and maybe 10-15% better in RT. It's not worth anywhere close to 50% more than the 9070 XT.
Sorry_Philosophy_601@reddit (OP)
10 -15 percent on ray tracing for the money is abysmal. That's exactly the kind of thing I wanted to hear thankyou!
Ok-Use-8592@reddit
9070XT easily, that price gap is massive for a 8-10% FPS difference
Maaglin@reddit
Doesn't matter. Both are good. Buy whatever best fits your budget. Can't go wrong wtih either.
luccca_12@reddit
Bro, just choose the option that you feel you will regret the least. I was in your situation and I was procrastinating for several months.
PerP1Exe@reddit
I mean if you have the money get the 5070ti, while it won't be nearly as good value. Youre less likely to feel buyers regret
littleemp@reddit
9070 XT Upscaling is passable but assume that you will need to use Optiscaler to inject support in anything that isnt a high profile title (and even some high profile titles).
9070 XT Frame Gen still has broken frame pacing, so probably not a consideration.
Raytracing is usable on Radeon at this point.