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ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
God of War.
For me, Kratos’ story ended with God of War III.
The 2018 game and Ragnarök try to turn him into this “rugged ex-warrior dad on a redemption journey,” but Kratos already redeemed himself at the end of GoW3. He didn’t need a soft sequel to find peace.
They should’ve just made a new character under the God of War name instead of forcing this redemption arc onto a character who already had an amazing character arc.
laec300191@reddit
I only played GoW 1 and 2 for PS2, never player 3 but can you briefly explain how Kratos redeemed himself?
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
I’ll try.
Whats cool is that Kratos’ redemption in God of War 3 isn’t about being forgiven, but him breaking the cycle of vengeance he’s been trapped in since GoW1 after destroying Olympus and seeing what it’s left behind.
The power of “Hope” comes from Pandora’s Box, which Kratos unknowingly absorbed in GoW1, while Athena later returns and tries to take this power from him, revealing she had been manipulating events and now wants that power for herself.
Instead of giving it to her or continuing the same pattern of control and destruction, Kratos says “my vengeance… Ends now” and proceeds to fucking kills himself and releases Hope back to humanity. Leading to Athena, the true antagonist, crashing out.
So redemption lies in his final act being something other than revenge, giving the world a chance to move forward.
laec300191@reddit
Man that's cool, too bad the game is only available on Play Station.
ThisTooWasAChoice@reddit
Praying they’re putting the GoW remakes on Steam. Unlikely however.
laec300191@reddit
Everything is possible man. I mean look at the Metal Gear Solid franchise, The Last of Us franchise, and Uncharted.
Ibrahim77X@reddit
I feel bad for people who can’t enjoy the story of the new games. Oh well
Skyllam@reddit
Same for me. Too much changes. The gameplay (Kratos feels like a gorila now, slow and boring), the soft personality, the babysitter dynamic... I hated to see Kratos like this. Played both nordic games but I'll never play them again. The only good part was the Mimir's stories.
ShanghaiPiovrone@reddit
2018 was still good, Ragrarok went full Disney
AdmiralTassles@reddit
I fell in love with Fallout when I played Fallout 3 as a kid. Even more so when I played New Vegas a few years later. I learned to appreciate it even more when I went back and played 1 & 2. I was so hyped when Fallout 4 was confirmed, but it just didn't hit the same when I actually played it. Now it's hard to imagine Bethesda not fucking up the next entry, which may not even come for another 10+ years, if ever.
auralterror@reddit
Why was 4 so cheeks? I loved 3 and its DLCs and was so amped for 4 and that hype made me think I liked it for a while after release. But after not having beat it in multiple tries over 60hrs I realized I had rose tinted shades on. Everything about that game is just so goofy (power armor walk animations make you feel like a fucking clown) and it's boring as fuck to shoot guns that are just wooden 2x4's with rusted pipes taped to them. None of the tech weapons even had cool designs.
Din_Plug@reddit
It's because Fallout 4 gutted the player's ability to speak with NPCs in a meaningful way. Most NPCs had THREE dialog options and a "ok bye" option. Compare that to any other fallout were you had an absurd number of things to say to normal NPCs. And in those limited dialog options everything was so railroaded, you had Yes!, Yes 😕, Yes😡, No (yes.)
Fallout 4's gunplay feels bad too, because they went all in on customisable guns they only put like 7-8 guns in the game and let the players build them out how they wanted unlike 3 and NV that had 2x to 3x the amount of guns. This also has the effect of making basically every enemy be running around with basically the exact same equipment.
auralterror@reddit
Yeah you're right about all of that. I almost memory holed that dogshit ass bullshit stupid motherfucking dialog system out of my brain. They didn't even tell you what the choices were, just a one word vague summary. You'd pick the choice "disgust" and the character would say "that's mildly intriguing." Type shit. What??? Fuuuuuck
HolySmokes2@reddit
it comes down the the voiced protagonist. it is such a waste; it adds almost nothing. you have to do so much voice work. they even added both male and female so you had to do all the voice work twice. imagine if you had stuck with the old system and focused two thirds of wasted effort on NPC voice lines instead. it makes me angry just thinking about what a waste this is.
Darkm1tch69@reddit
I also wasn’t a big fan of the voiced protagonist. A lot of what made 3 and NV special was the imagination of it.
The voice actor did a fine job, but that’s not how I would have thought my character sounded. Also, weird inflections.
edbods@reddit
the meme was
also the guns. the whole legendary system was just implemented stupidly. i miss the unique weapons in FO3 and NV. Yeah some of them might've had over the top effects that legendaries had, but at least most of them had unique models or some sort of backstory to their designs.
SatanVapesOn666W@reddit
That is the exact reason I say FO4 has shit gunplay. Its not good play if all the guns instantly take me out of the word because they were design by some ADHD teen obsessed with WW1(they really missed the atomic age mark with most designs), Legendry's just being a normal with a perk you can get anyway just kills the point of collecting named guns, my favorite part of Fo3 and FNV. the only unique one being December's Child. then the rest of the customization wasn't a tree, it was just a line of improvements, ends up in all guns being either AP, fullauto or full auto AP and feeling the same with no variety. the regression of Gunplay from New vegas is insane, cant even reload individual rounds into a revolver, gotta put ALL 6 in again.
Din_Plug@reddit
Oh definitely the unique weapons were bad. In my play through of Fo4 I found an assault rifle with the "time stop" legendary effect and basically won the game right there. My build was already super OP because of how many skills I had for semi auto guns. (Not even grinding exp just normal gameplay.) That, combined with a rifle built for maximized single shot damage, firing as fast as I could click, and two seconds of bullet time meant I was able to vaporize everything in the wasteland before they even had a chance to aim or move six inches. I wasn't even trying to break the game by meta slaving or using a special build, this just happened.
edbods@reddit
see retarded effects like time stop just take me right out of the game. and the lack of ammo types as well was just more fuel for the dumpster fire.
i did have a lot of fun basically playing the sims though. especially with the sim settlements mods
Din_Plug@reddit
Oh I forgot how many guns have absolutely insane default ammo types like the full-size combat rifle using .45 acp, the semi auto pipe gun using a RIMMED .38 special, and the pipe revolver using rimless. 45 acp. To fix this you better have a high gunsmith skill or be super lucky with a drop. And how could I forget the stupid .50 bmg pipe gun with a 2mm thick barrel and the .50 bmg left handed Remington 700.
edbods@reddit
it wasn't just that - I miss having the hollow point, armour piercing, jacketed hollow point, jacketed soft point, max charge, over charge etc.
at least for JSP and other more exotic bullet subtypes, it actually helped me learn how they behave in real life with their damage and damage threshold multipliers. .223 rounds which dealt 20% less damage, but also 20% less wear and tear, and through that I learnt that in real life .223 rounds have lower pressures than 5.56mm, and from that, I learnt that not all guns chambered for .223 can handle 5.56mm. Probably never going to use it in real life, but it was just a fun educational rabbit hole.
halloni@reddit
Yeah finding unique weapons in NV was so fun and rewarding. I ended up stashing a lot of them but its still fun to see special variants
edbods@reddit
the survivalist's rifle was probably my #1 weapon, followed by the gobi campaign scout rifle. contreras was rolling in caps with how much 12.7mm and .308 ammo types i was buying off him.
talking about that, holy fuck i miss ammo types. why the fuck did fallout 4 not include ammo types?!
Din_Plug@reddit
And don't forget, all of the dialog and your "choices" are effecting a story who's main villain faction is a group of super smart people who are doing the most idiotic crap they could be possibly doing at any given moment despite the game constantly telling you that they are actually geniuses. Like, every stupid Institute problem can be solved by thinking about it for 15 seconds.
theleetfox@reddit
Its a hard one, because 3 is held as a better story than 4, but 3's villains are just as asstarded. The Enclave were previously elitists assholes that were cleansing the wastes of all current life to purify America. In 3 it's just a bunch of assholes in a bunker fucking around with poisoning water, and if you blow up their base, their dogshit antagonist escapes so you can have a lame exchange at the end of the game. Frank Horrigan might have been sort of bland in terms of conplexity but at least he was fucken cool
Comrade_Bender@reddit
The side quests were a huge problem for me. When they came out with Skyrim they changed how they handled anything side quest related. Instead of having fully fleshed out missions, it was just one of three repetitive things you could choose from.
Champigne@reddit
Yeah idk what they were thinking with the dialogue system. Completely took me out of the game. Such an integral part of their previous titles just gutted.
MobiusNaked@reddit
But the settlement building was fantastic
PDRA@reddit
It's because all the Fallout games before had worlds with many settlements with their own unique questlines and NPCs. Even in the wasteland of Fallout3 there's plenty of little towns and outposts to make the world feel lived in.
Fallout4 has only 4 actual settlements with dedicated NPCs and non-radient quests. Every other settlement you have to build yourself with the same soulless cookie cutter NPCs that have no unique character. Not to mention the song selection just has random songs with buzzwords in them instead of music designed to curate a vibe, live in NV.
oby100@reddit
After watching a couple of those video essays, it seems Todd has gutted the creator structure of Bethesda and become a micromanager. In good games, the structure was loose and individuals could work on their own ideas to a large degree and then Todd would work to marry a lot of unique ideas into a coherent experience. This would include simplifying a lot of the ideas.
But now, Todd simplifies the ideas before any creatives get to work it out. It’s become so bad that Todd looks at core Fallout mechanics and decides to oversimplify it or remove it completely.
Success went to his head and he really thought his mind was what made fallout so good. I honestly think New Vegas’ success and cult following pisses Todd off and he’s always been on the hunt to prove it’s really him that made 3D fallout so successful.
FuckRedditIsLame@reddit
That was the point where the terrible tech just became unbearable. The base building felt forced, the whole 'helping settlers' bit was tiresome, the fucking factory bit at the start of the game is miserable, and all in all it just felt shallow compared to what other games in its league were offering.
Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit
4 was fine except the main character is annoying and the main story plot winds up having zero stakes and is dumb. Also a lot of nerds are going to get up in my shit for saying this but 3 was better than NV which felt like a slapped together mod. 3 had really memorable moments and NV had shit like stinky pete lost his varmint rifle go find 3 bolts so he can make a new one.
DethNik@reddit
I found Fallout 4 to be much more fun when I started treating it like I treat Skyrim. Never cared to much for the main quest. What I *did* like to do, is roleplay as a person surviving in the irradiated wastes. It got so much better once I was focusing more on the aspects of the game that are enjoyable, like exploration, discovery, investigation. Even the building and crafting became more enjoyable because the slapdash style really fits the whole "we are surviving as best we can" motif. Survival mode made it even better for me. I recognize that I'm in the minority though.
Proglamer@reddit
After starting (decades ago) with FO1 and, after doing maybe 10 runs of FNV, I did 4 FO4 runs - and never finished (!) the main story on either one. I always have some fun with all the 3 factions and lose interest in following up when the main quest tree starts to collapse toward the end. Great game for random mindless exploration, though.
DethNik@reddit
It's all about the RP with Bethesda games. Except for Starfield. That's all about menus.
Proglamer@reddit
Even that Fallout MMO is at least one order better than Slopfield
mischling2543@reddit
Controversial opinion but Fallout 4 is better than New Vegas.
ChasingGhosts182@reddit
Bro literally had this exact convo with a friend yesterday…fallout 4 was pretty shit- even though at the time I thought it was good? I remember finishing it and thinking ‘well that wasn’t anywhere near as fun as Fallout 3/NV’.
Fallout 3/NV forever. I hope Bethesda can realise this and not fuck up the next fallout entry- if there ever is one.
Eggmasstree@reddit
Fallout 4 was the one very few exceptions where I stayed awake for hours waiting for release date on stream with people. It was quite a fun experience. The stream before it, not the game.
But I always knew it was gonna be really bad after seeing the god awful "skill tree"
Captain_Chorm@reddit
Damn this comment hit home. I remember checking every few months to see what new info I could find on FO4, but when it finally released, it lacked that addicting element.
Then the next title in the series was an MMORPG, which are decent games in their own right, but not FO at all.
Same company did the same thing with Skyrim. Had a GOAT game launch (for its time) and then decided to MMORPG it as well 🫠
DopamineDarling121@reddit
I started with 3 after playing and loving Skyrim as a kid. the whole time I was just imagining how amazing Skyrim with guns would be and I have never been more disappointed with a video game in my life. it put me off the whole franchise until I pirated fallout 4 in hs. I put over 2k hours in that game without ever going to diamond city. went back and played new vegas and had fun but the gunplay is too dated if you after with 4. I thought 76 was going to be amazing but was heavily put off by the multiplayer so never tried it. I've heard it's turned around now and is pretty good but I just can't imagine having fun with a multiplayer game
MobiusNaked@reddit
I noticed you didn’t even mention 76. I understand.
jus10beare@reddit
I'm afraid Bethesda will never get it right again
Jozoz@reddit
The worst part is how there are millions of people who happily consume the slop. Fallout will never go back to what it was. It will forever be like the tv show and FO4.
Zer0thehero89@reddit
I honestly never enjoyed 4 the way the enjoyed 3 or new Vegas. It’s not bad but it never felt like fallout to me.
Dankie002@reddit
prince of persia. Not only did the last one suck, they never released any new versions
HardcoreRemover1337@reddit
You mean 2008 or The forgotten sands?
Dankie002@reddit
actually both were trash. POP peaked with 2 thrones.
Adept_Elk285@reddit
Halo was painful after Reach
TropeSlope@reddit
4 - worst gameplay in the entire series, multi-player died off within a month of release, compared to previous titles which had thriving multi-player communities years after release.
5 - best halo gameplay maybe ever, took lots of inspiration from other modern shooters at the time but implemented the ideas in a way that was still distinctly Halo and never felt like a copy. I'm thinking specifically of the thrusters and how Titanfall and CoD had all this crazy wall running and sliding and other movement tech, Halo managed to implement these ideas in a very thematic way that felt modern but still differentiated from all the other shooters on the market.
Also, had the worst campaign story ever.
Infinite - discarded everything great about Halo 5 and Halo 3 and Reach gameplay. Basically completely reset back to Halo 1 with some super lackluster equipment that isn't anywhere near as fun as anything found in Halo 3. Story was lukewarm at BEST, completely safe and uninteresting, just like the multi-player.
Boy I sure do love when game studios prioritize the fuck out of balance and competitive gameplay. Isn't it just so exciting and fun when a company is obsessed with balance and fairness to the point where they forget that games are meant to be fun and wacky adventures? God I just love it so much when my games are bland and flavorless and perfectly symmetrical and even in every way.
oby100@reddit
Halo 5 sucked ass
sdrakedrake@reddit
Yea I have no idea what he talking about. 5 wanted to be call of duty so bad
BrazilianTerror@reddit
I played Halo 4 for a good few years, the multiplayer was most certainly not dead
TropeSlope@reddit
Yeah nah. Halo 4 had the quickest and most dramatic player drop off of any halo title to date. A few thousand players were left after 6 months, compared to Halo 3 which was still pulling 800k players years after its release. Maybe that doesn't meet your definition of dead in an absolute sense, but it does for me.
vtx3000@reddit
I agree with most of what you said. I’ve always told people 4 had a decent story but the gameplay was ass, 5 actually had amazing gameplay and multiplayer but the campaign was awful. The only thing I’d slightly disagree with is I think Infinite had a really good starting point and I was genuinely excited to see more of it but the post launch support was basically nonexistent so I never got back into it after beating the campaign.
TropeSlope@reddit
I can't agree with this take. Maybe in a vacuum infinite could be considered good, but not in the context of releasing after halo 5. To go from the previous title with intense frenetic gameplay, tons of weapons and vehicles and variants, and massive, albeit samey, maps.... Then the next title has like 8 weapons, no variants, and some weird scrappy lightning weapons no one asked for, 4 or 5 vehicles all made out of tissue paper, and maps the size of a shoebox, with gameplay as glacially slow as Halo 1... It just wasn't it.
I played the multi-player beta that was available before release for like 5 matches before I completely lost interest. Tried it again once it released a few times, never played more than a combined 50-100 games in infinite and was so demoralized I didn't even try the campaign for months, which was also just super boring and uninteresting and left no impression whatsoever.
Infinite might actually be their worst title yet. At least 4 has sexy cortana dying and unique infection stuff, even if it did have the ugliest battle rifle to ever see combat.
OleBoyBuckets@reddit
Will always agree on the opinion of 5’s gameplay. Aside from Titan fall 2 it had the smoothest multiplayer I’ve gotten the chance to play
itspinkynukka@reddit
Just slap halo 3 on ps5 I'm playing the shit out of it
doctor_big_burrito@reddit
343 really went with the serious epic-ness of the story and forgot that the halo games are about fun and positivity and not grim sad bastard bullshit.
Cut scenes of you walking into a room full of sad defeated looking Marines and hearing them say "oh my God it's you! You guys... I think we have a chance..." went out the window.
Instead they gave us Cortana being a bad guy and the chief being a sad loser.
Fun_Union9542@reddit
Canonically halo is a horror game. Based on the novels.
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
I'd argue that the games are too. Halo 1 tells the story of humans escaping an unstoppable alien coalition, crash landing on an ultra high tech, beyond the capabilities of anyone else ring world, being told there's a weapon on board of it, coming up against a zombifying species and being told that the weapon is the ring world and to fire the weapon kills everything indiscriminately because that's the only way to stop the zombie outbreak.
You're between a rock, a hard place, an anvil and a pneumatic press. Also listen to Halo 2 Heavy Price Paid and tell me it's a light-hearted romp.
The gameplay is designed to be extremely fun though, that is 100% accurate. It was truly glorious.
nabbersauce@reddit
Recently replayed the campaign of halo 1 and it still slaps so hard
ElMuchoDingDong@reddit
The Master Chief Collection is an awesome way to relive some of that glory.
nabbersauce@reddit
A friend and I just did the first co-op campaign and then started the second one. And hoooly there is some Iraq war propaganda.
Fun_Union9542@reddit
I agree indeed
Treat_Street1993@reddit
Those novels really derailed shit. Way too much plot about the UNSC being evil and Cortana going crazy.
Fun_Union9542@reddit
…but it’s tru?
0oozymandias@reddit
"..not grim sad bastard bullshit."
Dude didn't play CE, or Halo 2...or Halo 3, ODST, Reach.. Halo WAS grim sad bastard bullshit and we LOVED it
ninja2126@reddit
Yeah I don’t think we played the same halo games, covenant killed billions by glassing planets. Not really fun and positive of them.
BUTTHOLE_EXPEDITIONS@reddit
I’m not defending 343 because after halo 4 everything they have done has been horrible. Halo infinite was almost good but feels like it was missing a whole other half of a game.
But… halo has always been grim. You start halo 1 running away. A coalition of aliens that has the ability to overpower your planetary defenses in minutes and glass your planet from orbit, who then accidentally unleash intelligent space zombies that gain all the knowledge of what they consume.
Night_Byte@reddit
No Halo game has ever had a happy ending.
AngelBryan@reddit
You have it backwards. The original ones were grim and the new ones are over the top and stupid.
Relwof66@reddit
I really enjoy infinite. 4 and 5 I can do without
CalvinYHobbes@reddit
I must be the only person that loved Halo Infinite. I only ever played the campaign but it was fantastic.
WetAndLoose@reddit
I think the problem is clearly 343 being filled with nepo hires and incompetent staff who have had 14+ years to churn out a good original game, and the closest they ever got was Halo 4. I just don’t understand how an IP that was breaking records for the best selling entertainment product in history was left in the hands of seemingly useless people for so long. Just from a business perspective, it’s a horrific offense, and as a fan it hurts even more.
Why was MCC broken for literal years? Why did they retcon forerunners to no longer be humans (technically this happened pre-Halo 4)? Why did Halo 5’s marketing have nothing to do with the story? Why did they kill Cortana offscreen twice? Why did they turn Cortana evil then instantly solve the conflict before the next game? Why did they abandon Infinite? Why do they still to this day make random lore books required reading to understand what is happening? Why are they remaking Halo CE for arguably the third time?
It would actually be easier if it was just gacha game slop or some shit because then I could just ignore the franchise completely. Saying it’s a shell of its former self is a gigantic understatement.
oby100@reddit
Because making a great story is difficult. When you treat the exercise as do profit only, you’ll run into the issues of wanting to cater to many different groups: hardcore fans, casual fans, fans that left years ago, and brand new fans.
There’s a million strategies to grab all three. Dramatic story beats is one, like Cortana going evil, but no one is actually willing to punt the secondary protagonist so it gets reset. The general strategy to capture most demos is to appear novel and fresh on the surface while still being easy to pickup and wholly familiar to anyone that’s played a past game.
That’s why you end up with a game that mostly feels half good and half terrible to lots of people. Ideally, this works out as you can ignore the half you don’t like. Not always designed in a way where this is realistic though.
Moogly2021@reddit
For me it was after H2/H3 I still hold that 2 was peak. It was where we got to see the other side of the story it was mind blowing spawning as a non-human character. Halo 3 was mega hype but I didnt really play it anywhere near as much as Halo 2.
guanomeo@reddit
4 had a good soundtrack though
AngelBryan@reddit
Most forgettable after Halo 5.
AngelBryan@reddit
Most forgettable after Hamo 5.
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
The whiplash from Reach to 4 hurts so much. Granted Halo 3 was better than Reach, but boy Halo 4 was such a slip and then 5 was truly dragging the carcass through the streets
SinceBecausePickles@reddit
so sad. Going from reach to halo 4 was bewildering as a teenager lol. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Halo 5 then was even worse (although i revisited the multiplayer years later and it’s super fun). MCC was unplayable for literal years.
halo infinite is a fucked up mess too, but i actually thought it had a really solid foundation gameplay wise. if it wasn’t marred in god awful decisions, horrible campaign set in a single biome, a shitty live service model, and then abandoned, it could have been a glimmer of hope for future halo games. And MCC (after getting fixed) has 100x more players than infinite does just proving how good a job bungie did.
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Shalashaska87B@reddit
Assassin's Creed.
Everything after the ones which took place in Italy are one worse than the other.
TurbistoMasturbisto@reddit
Origins was great though and Odyssey wasn’t to bad as well. In my opinion they were great games, but bad assassins creed games.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Black Flag is a terrible AC game but man it's a great game.
NoxiousVaporwave@reddit
Best pirate game. Worst assassin’s creed game.
Moholbi@reddit
Found the one who didn't let go and deluded himself.
TurbistoMasturbisto@reddit
Imagine enjoying a game an being called delusional for it. Maybe if you weren’t so salty you would find a bit more enjoyment in things. They’re obviously not the best games out there but they really weren’t that bad.
Capnmarvel76@reddit
It's a matter of taste. There's no accounting for it. Some people like things that are subjectively not very good. How else would you explain most Top 40 pop music over the last quarter century (hell, ever)? Myself, I happen to quite enjoy Coors Banquet Beer, which is commonly thought of as mass-market trash.
I don't begrudge people enjoying stuff that's not critically acclaimed. If, however, someone liked AC: Odyssey, but didn't like any of the early AC games, that would make me question their judgement.
Ibrahim77X@reddit
It disqualifies them from assessing the series as a whole imo
Moholbi@reddit
"Nooooo you didn't enjoy something below average you must be salty"
Just wow
TurbistoMasturbisto@reddit
Wow you completely missed my point. I didn’t call you salty because you didn’t enjoy the game. I called you that because the moment you disagree with someone your first response is to insult them. That’s being quite salty in my opinion.
CroatInAKilt@reddit
I do agree with you, but i also have a visceral reaction when someone tells me they enjoy obvious slop. Thing is, the slop enjoyers are the reason our favourite franchises are going downhill.
TurbistoMasturbisto@reddit
I also get your point, and the games i mentioned are definitely far from being top tier games, but calling them slop is grossly exaggerated.
Moholbi@reddit
If slop had a place in dictionary, these games would be beside it as the top examples.
CroatInAKilt@reddit
Slop is in the eye of the beholder
bbristowe@reddit
Bro played Hunt: Showdown. He’s a straight up masochist.
auralterror@reddit
Na black flag was good as fuck
SimonHalfSoul@reddit
Black Flag was great, but not really an assassin's creed game
Papriker@reddit
I think it’s nice they actually changed aspects of the game. You were still able to play stealth but had other options and in my opinion it brought a fresh wind into the franchise. If they didn’t change anything throughout the years people would have complained as well.
Ibrahim77X@reddit
We can safely ignore those people. Play to your series strengths. I’m playing your series because of the experience yours offers over all others. You can improve without changing the core gameplay.
infinitelabyrinth@reddit
To this day, somehow the best pirate game ever made. When that shouldn’t even be the focus.. tapped market
ABHOR_pod@reddit
Best pirate game ever made is Sid Meier’s Pirates, Black Flag is the best pirate game of the last 20 years. Sea of Thieves is the best pirate game of the past 10 years.
Sm9ck@reddit
I've got 20 or so hours in the Windrose EA and I'm enjoying it so far. Needs a bit more time in the oven in regards to combat balance and fluidity, both on land and in naval battles.
Base building is great and the survival crafting aspect is probably one of the more saturated with quality of life features I've come across for a base game without mods.
What I'm missing is some more piraty stuff to get up to than boarding and sinking ships. Like kidnapping captains and claiming ransom, raiding coastal settlements, actually stealing and fencing ships you board and the like.
The Open World Survival Craft is all there and very well done, it basically just takes what has worked from other OWSC games and iterates on it. To me the whole pirate fantasy thing is not really all there yet, but it is showing a lot of promise.
With some time in the oven it might eclipse Black Flag and if there are plans for a more fleshed out colony and trading management it might even give Pirates! a run for its money. Never played SoT but this is the most immersive pirate game I've played since Black Flag.
PikaPonderosa@reddit
Took the words straight from my brain.
KungFuFightingOwlMan@reddit
And the bits that are assassin's creed (tailing missions, hiding in crowds, the assassin story) are the worst bits of the game
akulowaty@reddit
At least there’s a mod that skips all the office bullshit fillers.
Sgt_major_dodgy@reddit
They were literally the fucking worst, like I don't give a fuck about templars or whatever the fucking weird god thing is.
Let me just fuck up Man O' Wars and kill bounty hunters.
Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit
Deluded, it's a mostly shittier version of PIrates the Legend of Black Kat
TurbistoMasturbisto@reddit
Or you know, different people enjoy different games?
Mr_REVolUTE@reddit
So different in fact, that they shouldn't have the AssCreed name attached
TurbistoMasturbisto@reddit
I agree on that part, hence why i called them bad assassins creed games.
ngakang@reddit
How dare you
auralterror@reddit
I don't believe you
hotfiremixtape98@reddit
Is.... Is brotherhood protected??
Moholbi@reddit
Of course the absolute peak of the series is protected my brother.
Ralph_Squid@reddit
Black flag is cracked and there hasn’t been a pirate game even close to
HidenTsubameGaeshi@reddit
Black flag is great, but it's barely an AC game(which is probably why it's so good)
OO_Ben@reddit
Agreed. I loved Black Flag. The Assassin stuff was kind shoehorned in, but it is a phenomenal pirate game
MisterBobAFeet@reddit
Exactly what I was going to say. It's a great pirate game, but a shitty AC game. If I'm remembering correctly, doesn't Edward only become an assassin at the end of the game?
Klangaxx@reddit
I loved Origins and Odyssey. Valhalla sucked ass, and I haven't enjoyed the next two either
Bleakjavelinqqwerty@reddit
Yeah none of my friends or myself managed to finish Valhalla. Loved origins and Odyssey
FlatulentSon@reddit
What's so bad abiut Valhalla? I've never played it.
EroticPotato69@reddit
Lots of filler content, map too big and empty, and you're a "good guy" Viking, who goes on raids where they don't even kill civilians. It whitewashes Viking history. It's bizarre overall. Also, in the Ireland expansion, a bunch of the "Irish" characters have Scottish accents? That kind of highlights the sheer lazy ahistorical bullshit the game is riddled with.
FlatulentSon@reddit
Oof. Sounds like i wouldn't like it. Have you played Odyssey?
TurbistoMasturbisto@reddit
To much empty content. The first 20 hours are fun but it goes on for way to long and becomes insanely repetitive.
DrevlikYT@reddit
and now there's too much bloated side content since all the patches.
NullHypothesisCicada@reddit
Black flag is peak AC
Atsusaki@reddit
Black flag was a great game but the AC parts of the game, particularly tailing, were easily the worst parts of it.
NotABot420number2@reddit
I fucking loved the tailing i dont get why people hate it so much
ice_dragon69@reddit
I loved Odyssey, one of my all time favorites.
Vichu0_0-V2@reddit
My op AC revelations top tier and brotherhood was very good as well
arnoldit@reddit
I enjoyed Valhalla more that Odyssey tbh.
Mirage and Shadow though, what a disappointment
malipreme@reddit
Ngl loved unity
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Shit's a tragedy.
Some_Crazy_Weeaboo@reddit
Ngl I felt like it went downhill after Origin. The kenway trilogies were hella good imo, but I’m bias since Connor is my fav assassin lol
HardcoreRemover1337@reddit
True. Brotherhood was peak, the rest was flawed but stil descent. Can't bring myself to play anything past Unity
lLoveLamp@reddit
I'm well into Valhalla and I've had my fill after 40 hrs. This game is fun but way too long.
VehaMeursault@reddit
Black Flag was peak AC gameplay, but in terms of story and historically interesting gameplay, nothing comes even close to the ACII trilogy.
I replayed ACII recently, and if you can forgive the outdated graphics, it still holds up extremely well. Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic game.
Johwya@reddit
Ezio trilogy is goated and the only other good one is black flag
TheSigma3@reddit
I'm really enjoying Shadows, but it's not "assassin's creed" any more, it's just a ninja game
PM_NUDES_4_DOG_PICS@reddit
Nah man, Black Flag went hard AF.
That said, everything after that was definitely ass.
s67and@reddit
Black flag is 3 games in a trench coat. A good pirate game an ok AC game and a complaint letter from the devs to the executives about having to include all 3. In a better world it wouldn't have been an AC game or spawned a new franchise focused on boats. Yet here we are still dragging the corpse of AC around.
yecapixtlan@reddit
I'm still mad Skull and Bones failed.
IllUpvoteEverything@reddit
I was big mad about it. They just had to copy AC4 and add some more ship customization and the ability to switch to better ships. They had to putt the ball in from the inches and those midwits pulled out a driver.
CremousDelight@reddit
The part where your character "logsoff" from the animus and starts walking around the office breaks the game flow in such an awful and forced way, I've always hated it.
KingintheNorthXV@reddit
Odyssey was good AF
42Ubiquitous@reddit
Nothing after the first few are AC games. Odyssey might as well be a different franchise.
splinterguitar69@reddit
Every assassins creed game is the exact same thing. You just keep parkouring ring around different maps doing the same things until you see a different story cutscene
Fucking yawn
BUTTHOLE_EXPEDITIONS@reddit
I have played since the beginning and odyssey is the second best they have ever made right behind ac2. Valhalla is the worst. Black flag is overhyped and not that good.
OleBoyBuckets@reddit
I think origins was cool. Odyssey expanded upon that idea and made it better. But vikinging one was odyssey 1.5 and reskinned. Then shadows was basically 1.75 double reskinned.
Neither were bad but if you played them all consecutively they got boring. But if you recommended a one of those to somebody who’s never played them they’d most likely enjoy the out of the game
captain_lampshade@reddit
Eh, I mostly agree but AC3 and Unity earned their flowers for me.
NeverSayMyName@reddit
Is AC shadows considered a bad game in the community? I honestly liked it (except the fact that it forces you to make missions as a specific character)
ConnorOfAstora@reddit
The first couple games were fantastic but there's definitely been a slow decline where Ubi have just stopped caring about the actual game and just want to increase profits by cranking them out lazily as fast as they can.
They don't give a shit about making good games, if they did then Odyssey would've never seen the light of day, they just want to make money.
Origins and Valhalla are still good and I think Mirage looks good (have it but haven't played it) but that's the cutoff point for me. I'm not buying any future AC game unless it's on sale for less than £10 or they actually start trying to make the game good.
42Ubiquitous@reddit
100%. Brotherhood was my favorite. There were a couples after I enjoyed, but they were earlier games. What they've done to the franchise is fucking infuriating.
FlatulentSon@reddit
Black Flag was perfect. Except the Abstergo parts ofcourse.
zachm1866@reddit
I'd personally say through Black Flag was good.
KingintheNorthXV@reddit
Black flag is one of the best games of all time
PutinBoomedMe@reddit
Valhalla was good, but really repetitive after awhile
Okub1@reddit
Only good things I about Valhalla was that it had a pretty world, and one or two actually good quests..
textposts_only@reddit
Valhalla's story and world building was so bad.
Saturday morning cartoon vikings who conquer Britain with the power of friendship yay
Colonel_Cumpants@reddit
That's all of the AC games after the first one, maybe two, in the series.
Mama_Mega@reddit
Assassin's Creed's narrative heart died with Desmond. The heart of the gameplay died with Syndicate. What we have from there is a completely unrelated ARPG wearing the skin of a beloved open-world stealth series. The Webtoon Forgotten Temple ended earlier this year, and that was the last piece of the IP I'll ever touch.
BruceofSteel@reddit
Halo
UnCuddlyNinja@reddit
I miss call of duty. The cod4 days were long and goated. MW2 was an experience, one man army and models prenerf were wyld.
jackrackan07@reddit
Far Cry. 6 so forgettable.
Plus-Cherry8175@reddit
is this sub just front page reddit now
rayz0101@reddit
Has been since covid and everyone was pushed online.
Plus-Cherry8175@reddit
Yeah, I guess so. I've been very online since dial-up, it's been strange seeing more of my peers and people my children's age (30's-40's) online. And more less-than-nerdy young people. Not sure if it's good or bad, I suppose it doesn't affect (effect? fuck me) me either way
ukulelepollywog@reddit
it’s affect, you got it <3
Plus-Cherry8175@reddit
Thank you! <3
lukisdelicious@reddit
I sometimes realize this when spending too much time on social media and just get depressed
Summer4Chan@reddit
Covids affect on the internet was like when Summer Reddit “never ended” when smartphones / Reddit apps became ubiquitous and everyone had one by the mid 2010’s
evermuzik@reddit
they dont think it be, but it do
StormR7@reddit
Plus-Cherry8175@reddit
accurate I fear. There was at least a time when the tone and typing style wasn't quite so hideously front page reddit, though. Or I imagined it.
WithTheWintersMight@reddit
Just go to actual 4chan
Plus-Cherry8175@reddit
I'd prefer seeing a semblance of independent thought on any and all social media i happen to be using
also no I am too lazy.
yourboi322@reddit
So you stay on reddit for the independent think?
Plus-Cherry8175@reddit
No, I was explaining why I commented--it's annoying that this sub is turning into front page reddit. Reddit overall does not have much independent thought, lol. The most individualist social media is probably Tumblr or possibly Instagram. Or maybe Youtube.
hatchbacks@reddit
Reddit at least has differing opinions, 4chan is just autists trying to be as edgy as possible.
lionalhutz@reddit
*all of reddit is just the front page of reddit now
-MangoDown@reddit
OP Pokémon died about 15 years ago
acetrainerhaley@reddit
DS era was peak and then everything after that felt like the series had turned into a zombified corpse.
Ok-Night-8519@reddit
i cannot comprehend that people still buy pokemon games and think theyre good, like a really really large population of people, adults even, the entire slopification of nintendo really, animal crossing new horizons, pikmin 4, mario wonder, the new tracks added to mario kart 8 genuine shit slop games that normies eat up, they genuinely cannot see the difference, ive tried talking about it, they just dont see it
Diascizor@reddit
Games are supposed to be fun. The games are still fun. Really not that hard to see. Slop is a nothing word now.
Ok-Night-8519@reddit
you are exactly the type of person i am talking about in my comment
Diascizor@reddit
Cool. Don't care.
-MangoDown@reddit
Right! Some of the most entertaining pokemon games were not made by gamefreak. Those bums are happy with the bare min.
Compare that to like MYSTERY DUNGEON or Colosseum
sexyagentdingdong@reddit
mine was cod, after blops2. I played blops3 with my brother but I stopped playing for years and only went back amd tried blops cold war. I was right to quit.
aquaslasher69@reddit
Destiny
Soviet117@reddit
Halo
AntiSocial_Vigilante@reddit
Need for speed, though that was a while ago.
laec300191@reddit
That is largely true, but Heat was alright, pretty fun game, and very good race tracks.
Drunk_Krampus@reddit
Literally every single one. I can't think of any franchise that didn't get worse.
JamesBond096@reddit
Civilization
Kenway@reddit
Civ 4 was peak civ.
Qwik_Sand@reddit
League of Legends. Ok I know it’s always been shit but I’ve been clean for about 2 years now since they removed Skarner from the game who I spent a great amount of time in highschool playing
rob-delaney@reddit
skarner is still in the game tho. unless you mean that they reworked him which i’d probably argue he’s better post rework tbh
Qwik_Sand@reddit
I mained him for 10 years and can say for certain that the Skarner rework is one of the worst and most unfaithful reworks ever made. They amplified what made him boring and removed everything that made him fun. He’s a slow, clunky, stat check champion with only one build path whereas Old Skarner had the most diverse build options of pretty much any champion. The reason why people thought he was boring then is because they built him the same way the rework forces you now which is a full tank, slow and boring slugfest.
The Skarner rework was a homework assignment for riot and they just wanted to get him out of the way as fast as possible so they could make more Ahri skins
rob-delaney@reddit
ok yeah my opinion is irrelevant then lol. i always thought pre rework he was pretty one dimensional and just an ult bot but i also rarely played him so i can't say for sure.
VortexFalcon50@reddit
Battlefield
8bitstargazer@reddit
Pokemon.
I thought for a couple years i just grew out of it. But after playing some romhacks made by some very small dev teams its shown me that gamefreak simply does not care.
happinesiswarmgun@reddit
Agree for first part, but after playing some romhacks recently, the gameplay loop kinda sucks. Tried several, figured out I want more story from RPG, not just linear progression with turn-based combat breaks.
rivent2@reddit
Black & White 2 would be the obvious drop off point. In an ideal world they'd still be releasing a 2D game once per platform because the 3D stuff is just lazy. Once saw a mock up of Red & Blue in an Octopath Traveler style on here. I'd be all over that.
hatchbacks@reddit
Been replaying the GBA/GBC roms lately. They just don’t hit the same as an adult knowing that stuff like level curve/Pokémon availability could’ve been handled a lot better.
obeesitee@reddit
destiny
Single-Bad-5951@reddit
Minecraft, they're slowly getting rid of all of the areas that made it feel like an eerie survival game where the world had mostly been abandoned. I don't mind some new features in some places, but anything they add is to make it more kid friendly
guanomeo@reddit
ah yes the minecraft franchise
Ibrahim77X@reddit
Uh yeah it is a franchise
guanomeo@reddit
in a definitional sense yeah but i don’t think people really consider it a game franchise, it’s one massively successful game and then a bunch of spinoffs nobody has ever played
Ibrahim77X@reddit
I’m not even sure that’s true but it doesn’t matter because the popularity of its spinoffs doesn’t determine its status as a franchise
Nexecs@reddit
It's a kids game bro.
Ibrahim77X@reddit
Nah there’s definitely been a shift. It was always a game kids could play but it wasn’t a “kiddie” game
KURDISHMINOR@reddit
modpacks exist
jackchrist@reddit
CoD
2019 was a brief revival before it went to shit again
MyOtherCarIsEpona@reddit
The Yakuza 3 remake is making me worried about the future of that series.
Energymonstar@reddit
Magic the gathering
_GHOSTE_@reddit
Halo, 40k, star wars. The list goes on at this point
Ibrahim77X@reddit
Pikmin
Seli19@reddit
Far Cry, doesn’t feel the same since Far Cry 6 came out
maracusdesu@reddit
Final fantasy
DeathRattles@reddit
Battlefield
BeachPalmTree_@reddit
Everything after 1 was just completely downhill. 1 was fun and enjoyable to an extent with a beautiful atmosphere but nothing beats BF2, BC2, BF, and BF4.
Hell, even Hardline I had a lot of fun.
rooSip@reddit
Peaked at BF4, since then it was a somewhat mixed ride downhill. I have some cope for the coming BF6 update but i think its time to let go sadly.
Chinhoyi@reddit
If say peaked in BF1, no? That game had love in it
Tyrant-Star@reddit
BF1 was the beginning of the end for me. It lost a lot of stuff that made battlefield feel like battlefield. I particularly wasnt a fan of the system where you spawned in tanks and planes rather than had the ability to find them on the map. It meant that A) people camped them and as a noob you didnt get much chance to practice with them B) by camping them less people were actually ptfo.
Chinhoyi@reddit
i would sit there and spam the heavy bomber button and hog it for the 15 kills, die repeat
rooSip@reddit
Eeeh i much prefer 4 but maybe thats my preference for modern settings. 1 definitely still felt like a good Bf, and hat lots of cool new features when it comes to movement and gameplay. I remember having lots of fun with the shotgun shells in the tanks in open beta that shit was buuusted. But many will also argue 3 was the peak, and id say all of those are valid depending on preferences and what they started with. I also had fun in 2042 and 6 but they don't feel the same, i get tired of em much quicker and they got more and more noob friendly, ruining the experience for me. We don't talk about 5 it doesn't exist.
Chinhoyi@reddit
agreed, 1 has some justifiable criticism, 5 was the beginning of the real end
rad0909@reddit
Bf1 is timeless, beautiful atmosphere. I’d say even BF V has aged well even though it was never finished. Bf2042 and bf 6 are soulless imitations of the work of a previous generation. Those guys have moved on…to Arc Raiders.
Chinhoyi@reddit
I'd accept a bit of hate on BF1 changing up the class formula and the bullet spread but BF5 was slop from the jump. It was smooth gameplay but it was so goofy and gay
idzova@reddit
BF3
CrestonSpiers@reddit
BF6 isn’t bad. But it is a bit unimaginative
randymercury@reddit
Movement and gunplay in 6 feel identical to CoD. The franchise has lost all of its character, nothing like the old games.
MrRobko@reddit
I don't know what you're talking about. It feels just like BF3 did with some more movement options.
stank58@reddit
The new one is pretty good tbf
laaaabe@reddit
The new one wants to be MW 2019 so badly. Just doesn't feel like Battlefield.
IDrinkSulfuricAcid@reddit
BF5 was good, but it was definitely where I knew the ''good old days'' were over
Slingbr@reddit
To me the peak was bad company 2.
Wrongun25@reddit
RIP Benny Harvey
DeathRattles@reddit
Miss ya big man
Papa_Franklin@reddit
Shifted from being a game to being a product
madhaunter@reddit
Man I was so sad when I realized the best days were definitely over
The_Man8705@reddit
Unsurprisingly CoD. Anything past Mw2019 is just uninspired garbage designed to sell skins for MP
philmarcracken@reddit
its long dead now but tribes after 2. vengeance, ass end, midair. All shite
they're making midair 2 now and its also going to be shite if they use unreal engine again
Kenhamef@reddit
Pokemon, Assassin’s Creed, Mario Kart, Borderlands, DOOM… I could go on
please_gimme_a_name@reddit
World of Warcraft...
kojimbob@reddit
Warcraft was better before 'World of' got slapped onto it
Lirtirra@reddit
Was it really though?
Warcraft 3 RoC and Frozen Throne are still in my top 5 games of all time, the campaign and story is goated, and honestly so ahead of its time imo. But custom games is where it is at!
WoW Vanilla was such an adventure, i feel like it left just as great an impression in me.
Gwynnbeidd@reddit
Vanilla, TBC and WotLK. After that... yea. There were beight spots every now and again - Pandaria, the first parts of Legion too - but it got worse and worse until even I could no longer bear it in Shadowlands.
lemongarlic_@reddit
i don't get how people think wrath is good while also saying most everything after it is bad. wrath is like the genesis of modern WoW, the game became considerably more homogenized and streamlined in this expansion. it was even the first expansion to majorly change up the visual design of the game
Glad_Release5410@reddit
This, vanilla to wrath was GOAT, pandas gets an honorary mention
Nestramutat-@reddit
I think Pandaria as an expansion was up there with the greats.
WoD also had really good content, but just... Not enough of it.
Disagree about Legion though. The pure RNG of Legiondaries on launch was enough that I quit that expansion. Tried coming back for BFA and hated everything about it.
theleetfox@reddit
I legitimately remember playing a DotA game in frozen throne with a friend who said it was great and i said something alone the lines of "this fucking sucks, why do you enjoy this? Can you imagine if they made actual games like this? They'd crash and burn so hard". 15 year old me is lucky he didn't bet on this
CHUNKY_BLOODY_QUEEFS@reddit
I'd argue it's better than ever.
Turbulent-Ad-647@reddit
Storywise ehhhh idk. Gameplay ill give hard agree
FMC_Speed@reddit
Mass Effect
I was a huge fan of the original trilogy and was excited about Andromeda, the way they made DA Failguard means BioWare that made ME and Jade Empire is long dead and is now mostly purple haired lesbians
MrCgoodin@reddit
Thissssss
FMC_Speed@reddit
I’ve moved on since then, I’d like to keep my memories pure
Rydagod1@reddit
Every Bethesda game. 😢
zhaeed@reddit
Are you ready for the next Elder Slop? This time with no dialogue at all, but you can play it online!!!
yukifujita@reddit
You can only play it online
StriderTX@reddit
It might be elder scrolls if 6 isn’t at least as good as Skyrim
Some_Crazy_Weeaboo@reddit
Yakuza/like a dragon.
Pirate yakuza was aight, but kiwami 3 is a whole cluster fuck and with the way they are treating their past games, it’s fucked. If Sega/ RGG are willing to fuck up the future games to accommodate the dude who SA two hostess, then what else are they capable of.
Btw, even if you ignore the dude, the remake sucks ass and still jeopardize the future remake and sequels.
Ok-Dark9901@reddit
Anything Bethesda makes is the one that stuck out for me but really most western studios are ideologically captured and it's cringe.
ii_throwayway_ii@reddit
I used to he a die hard Bethesda fan, the first game they released that I played was skyrim. They screwed it in like 2 games lmao
Comrade_Bender@reddit
Pre Skyrim Bethesda is goated. That game ruined them
ExtraordinaryAnimal@reddit
Fable probably
Fuzzietomato@reddit
Is the new fable they have cooking not looking good?
ExtraordinaryAnimal@reddit
It was supposedly going to come out this year but was pushed back because of GTAVI (I think). The main problem is there's not much to know about the new one and it was announced back around 2020 IIRC.
I just get the suspicion that it's not going to capture the same feeling as the previous games
MadcatFK1017@reddit
Fable 3 was great though
ExtraordinaryAnimal@reddit
I liked fable 3 too, but I don't think I'm alone in saying that it's where it started going downhill. Slightly unfair, since we really haven't had another Fable game since 3, if you don't count the Kinect one. Over 15 years since the last mainline Fable game.
zLampShade@reddit
I loved Fable 3.
When you could have those food stands or whatever and make money over time while you were offline.
I changed my xbox 360 time back 10 years. Then I'd save and logoff. Then sign back in after I plugged the internet back in and got the current time and date. I made millions that way. I miss those cheesy exoloits.
lamblamb65@reddit
No you’re right!
Objective_Yak_838@reddit
Sadly, this is probably true.
zLampShade@reddit
DayZ
Jawn_Wilkes_Booth@reddit
Borderlands 😢
Started so, so strong with the first two…
Mineralke@reddit
that's me and League of Legends but 5 years ago
I_Am_Okonkwo@reddit
I love basketball but I stopped with NBA 2k15. It became a microtransaction hellscape.
LexsportivaF1@reddit
Borderlands
Samsterdam@reddit
This is actually the game that ruined releases for me for all games. I was so hyped to play this when it came out and I remember the day that it launched you couldn't play multiplayer like couch multiplayer. I was super super salty about it.
CT0292@reddit
Came here for this
Fell in love with 1.
2 was absolutely perfect.
Pre sequel I really enjoyed.
3 was not so great but really had good gameplay.
4 has been dismal so far.
And it's so upsetting because they were so good.
East_Constant8520@reddit
First game was gold for local co-op. The second game was fun but replaying it is painful each time for the first 4 hours which really hurts it since many people like to play through with each character. I'd argue 2 is really overrated honestly. The third game's story and characterization was awful but I think it had a genuinely really fun gameplay loop that didn't really get tedious which allowed me multiple playthroughs (skipping all cutscenes and keeping character dialogue on mute). I haven't played 4 yet but I'm sure I will when the bundle with dlc is on sale. I can just hope it's better than 3.
canuckfan4419@reddit
Literally unable to play 4. If you’ve played it what’s so bad about it
___Khaos___@reddit
The story is really boring and the level design took a nose dive chasing the open world trend
Adm1nX@reddit
I feel like 4 did to 3 what the new Star Wars did to the prequels lol.
Lambdaleth@reddit
Had this same experience.
daemon-of-harrenhal@reddit
4 is just too tedious and gets old pretty fast. I didn't even finish one playthrough before giving up. I've played BL2 with several different characters, different playthroughs of TVHM and UVHM etc, the DLCs, everything. Even BL3 I managed to finish the story and start a new character. 4 is genuinely bored me to death. It being open world and having to travel ages between quests etc didn't help. And even really basic stuff like your filters resetting each time you open your inventory and nonsense like that made the game a chore to play. Honestly there's tons of reasons why this one wasn't great, but I cba to go into them all.
Mama_Mega@reddit
I'm willing to call 3 overhated by the people who hate it, but it left me with no desire to play 4. They've killed of too many established characters by this point. Nit enough to wipe the slate clean, but enough to make it clear that they want to do their own thing, instead of build on what came before.
canuckfan4419@reddit
3 will stand out as my favourite. I’m happy to know that I’m not missing out on 4
Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit
They hyped that game up like spore and fable. I remember reading game informer on the beach and they talked about how you have a custom character and custom mad max car. They all wound up being decent games but holy shit there was just a lot of lying to children to sell them
I_SHOT_A_PIG@reddit
Haven't played 4 but 3 was extremely fun, one of the best in terms of farming
UnplacatablePlate@reddit
Of the mainline games sure but Tales from the Borderlands is arguably better than 1 and 2 depending on what kind of games you like.
Objective_Yak_838@reddit
I was hoping 4 was good but i have never played it
Outrageous_Gas7842@reddit
As a day 1 player in 2014, Destiny was a tough one to let go of
Meinon101@reddit
I miss loading into a 6 man raid with my friends.
Top_Charity_2293@reddit
Man. Same here. Things won't ever be the same.
Luvcraft0606@reddit
Destiny was my first introduction to raids. I was really lucky with RNG and copped a gjallarhorn, ice breaker etc. Super early. Jumped on some LFG and was shepa'd by some great teammates. Damn, those were the days.
Soger91@reddit
I made so many friends pushing cheesing Atheon.
Destiny 2 started off ok. The expansions were good. Then it just hit a point where the story was going downhill, the gameplay was getting stale and we all asked "what are the plans for destiny 3?".
They killed their best game to give us Marathon. I'm sure their executives think it makes sense, and I sure hope it reflects on their quarterly financial reports.
YoMrPoPo@reddit
Tbf, Marathon is an amazing game. Arguably better than what D2 has put out over the last few years.
pututski@reddit
Dude I feel you do much. Destiny 2 never had the same spark as destiny 1 for me. And I felt cheated that I spent money on the deluxe edition only for it to go free.
btoxic@reddit
Me as well. I've gone through some Destiny dry spells of not playing.... But this time it feels different.
The story has concluded, and we can't replay it (because 90% of it is "Vaulted").
Spartan6056@reddit
I redownloaded D2 after not really playing it since Shadowkeep, and man it's in a sorry state. The portal system is atrocious, and the mtx are shoved in your face at every turn. The first nightfall I tried was bugged, and you couldn't progress past a certain section, making it unplayable. It was a bug Bungie knew about for months.
Slingbr@reddit
Same bro. Played until heresy, then I let it go. But I miss the good old times…… so many friends and memories.
Demonweed@reddit
Yeah, I still sometimes get flashbacks to moments of playing Destiny when I'm really vibing with some other action and/or puzzle game. Yet I stepped away before they rolled out those ice powers, and I knew I made the right call when the mothballed so much of that classic campaign content.
phen0menon@reddit
Im in the same boat, I'll miss the raids and dungeons and all my favourite characters but as Cayde said. "You're my favorite, don't ever forget that." I do think that nothing will fill the void destiny has left, not even destiny will anymore.
BenAfflecksBalls@reddit
Try division 2. It's been great for a long while but suffers a bit from lack of depth
Appalachisms@reddit
Halo
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StormR7@reddit
I used to love Overwatch. It was super fun finding out that my love for the game was not shared by the developers.
ThirdXavier@reddit
Mass Effect, basically BioWare as a whole. Dragon Age hurts less because we have Larian filling their shoes but there's nothing out there like Mass Effect and there might not ever be.
NostalgicGM@reddit
7 days to die
Geestirhyjal@reddit
Call of Duty
no_name65@reddit
Total War franchise. Everything new(outside Warhammer) after Empire was try too hard shit. Especially Thrones of Britannia and Three Kingdoms.
42Ubiquitous@reddit
They better not fuck up 40k, but I'm sure they will.
no_name65@reddit
It's already fucked up even before they start because Total War formula don't work on Wh40k.
They'd better be doing Napoleon II or ACW.
kojimbob@reddit
They're gonna put femstodes in, aren't they?
Potato1223@reddit
Elden ring
DM_Me_For_Haiku@reddit
Destiny:(
t_h_pickle@reddit
Mildly surprised I haven't found a comment about COD. But tbf, they've been shooting themselves in the foot for many years now...
Franklin-Tartaruga@reddit
Final Fantasy after 12
MisterGoo@reddit
You mean 10, surely.
FrozenMongoose@reddit
12 had a lot of new and interesting ideas for a FF game:
Hunts
Making anyone but a teen the main character. Studio decided against it unfortunately. Still, the playable character is not the main character of the story which is interesting.
A flexible class system where you can make any character any class
Gambits that made the NPC's act however you wanted them to.
Franklin-Tartaruga@reddit
My man!
elreduro@reddit
Call of duty
Limp_Skittle@reddit
RWBY
SealEnjoyer022@reddit
Destiny 2
:(
rodinj@reddit
Splinter Cell
Infamous-Set7370@reddit
Saints Row, long painful descent. It's been all downhill since SR2
syntetizer_this@reddit
The sims in a way , i still play the sims 1 and 2 but the base game of the 4th game sucks
marokyle87@reddit
Halo
noxillio@reddit
Call of Duty
901_vols@reddit
World of Warcraft
codyash310@reddit
R6
hawaii7811@reddit
Pokemon peaked at gen 1.
Change my mind.
Glad_Release5410@reddit
1 rules the roost, but 2 was pretty good
Nantafiria@reddit
Total War and Crusader Kings, regrettably.
pandaslapper33@reddit
Worst answer in this thread.
champaigneandcocaine@reddit
Paradox botched CK3 so hard its not even funny
They took the good parts of CK2 and disappeared them and then took the bad parts of CK2 and made it the core of CK3
Oaker_at@reddit
I have 1000hrs+ in both 2 and 3, can’t say that I agree. Bo tree h are pretty similar in its core imho.
Nantafiria@reddit
What do you mean you like strategy games? Have some more power fantasy rpg costume nonsense.
EstablishmentAny5943@reddit
You like roleplaying right?
How about the same 15 events for each playtrough... no for each character within the same playthrough
TheInsanernator@reddit
Dragon Age
HG2321@reddit
It's always been an unpopular opinion of mine that Inquisition was a harbinger of things to come not only for the decline of the DA franchise but gaming as a whole
DreamsServedSoft@reddit
no lies detected. leliana was too hot to reveal so they put her behind a burka and the only romance options were ugly women. it was the writing on the wall for the woke war to come
xtraSleep@reddit
How it won game of the year, nobody knows. I don’t think I’ve even met anyone who’s beaten the game.
HG2321@reddit
Yup. Biggest snoozefest ever.
Had a friend who was a diehard defender of it because of how much he enjoyed the previous entries, he kept saying "you have to get out of the Hinterland" as if that wasn't awful game design.
It was much more satisfying than it should've been to hear him admit the reality after all those years
porrridge@reddit
As someone who has played DA:O+AW and DA2 many many times I never finished Inquisition.
Ndm09@reddit
"Game of the year guys, it has the biggest greatest openworldest hugest map ever".
I was 17 and in love with Dragon Age 2 due to being the only Xbox game I ever had, and even I couldn't stomach the endless expanses of procedurally generated desert, intervalled by the meaningless monster spawn, which you would disintegrate by spamming the bullshit magic sword that would regenerate your shield and make you immortal, and move on.
I think playing that game taught me that game reviews are mostly meaningless. Hype feeds hype, hate feeds hate and the majority of the game reviewing industry works like that.
Nobody_Super_Famous@reddit
Origins was the only true great Dragon Age game. I'm convinced they never planned to make it a series and only did so because EA saw how successful Origins was and wanted more money out of it.
iVar4sale@reddit
Baldurs Gate 3 is a better sequel to Dragon Age Origins than any Dragon Age games after Origins
AJohnsonOrange@reddit
Ironic, considering DA was a spiritual successor to BG1/2.
haneybird@reddit
You missed a game between. DA:O was just edgy Neverwinter Nights.
Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit
It's not close. Origins was the only good dragon age game and it was almost unbelievably good. The fact that every sort of starting race/class had its own intro is crazy and I can't think of another game that even tried.
slamriffs@reddit
Inquisition was awesome and nearly won game of the year lol
Syreet_Primacon@reddit
Many such cases
Cardifferous@reddit
Halo, COD
iihatephones@reddit
Literally any AAA franchise. Just pick one. I threw a dart at a 90s gaming mag and landed on Final Fantasy so that’s my answer.
___Khaos___@reddit
Cod since 2014
There is no other fps that comes close to how fucking good cod was during the golden run
laser50@reddit
Anything before the shit RPG changes.
Mastodon1371@reddit
World of Warcraft
Psychotrip@reddit
Bethesda RPGs.
World of Warcraft's story and lore.
countrybreakfast1@reddit
Madden/FIFA/2k
WorkerClass@reddit
I let go of pokemon in Gen 5. I went back for the Omega Ruby remake because gen 3 was my favorite, but I've been gone ever since.
Square_Day_5967@reddit
Borderlands
AsterFlauros@reddit
Borderlands. I’m tired of millennial writing and this was where I really started to notice how much it bothers me.
BlakkoutGT@reddit
This was me by the time black ops 2 came out
rorooic@reddit
Halo unfortunately
Quetzal_Pretzel@reddit
Battlefield... Downhill after 1
DeliveryWorldly7363@reddit
Heroes of might and magic, from the Legend that was 3 and the nice graphics of 5 to whatever the shit Is It now
eazy_12@reddit
Actually latest game ("Olden Era") which releases in 11 days is somewhat nice. It would not replace 3 or 5, but still has enough mechanics to play few scenarios.
At least demo gave me such impression, I write it with hope that they would add new stuff and balance it better for a release.
Gwynnbeidd@reddit
4 was decent too, for what it was and with what budget it was created.
But the rest? Yea... yea...
DeliveryWorldly7363@reddit
Yeah i liked It a lot, especially for the music, It also was my first game of the series
A_Dragon@reddit
Yep. I had to let go of pokemon a long time ago when I realized they really just didn’t give a shit about their fans.
I got into competitive pokemon around the diamond/black and white era and it literally took hundreds of hours to train up the right team and the majority of that time was spent grinding points to get the held items. When the next game came out and I tried to transfer over my team with their items I found out for some god forsaken reason they wouldn’t allow you to transfer over any items with the pokemon…so they seriously expect me to grind for hundreds of hours every time they release a new game!?
Moreover, every new game release was mostly just a reskinning of the same old shit with some cosmetic change that no one really asked for…like wtf, who the fuck cares about giant pokemon?! How about a fucking MMO or multiplayer open world game where I can play with my friends Nintendo!? It’s not like you don’t have the capabilities to make such a game. I even thought I’d give Arceus a try when it came out because it seemed like it might be a reasonable upgrade to the franchise but it really just ended up being the same old boring grind.
Then Palworld came out an actually gave fans what they wanted in a pokemon game so I moved on. Fuck Nintendo and the pokemon company, you had decades to get your shit together and instead you decided to be greedy and only make incremental changes so you could extend the life of your shitty franchise and make more money instead of actually giving a shit about your fans!
I hope Palworld decimates your litigious ass!!
DrDalenQuaice@reddit
I feel this way about star trek now
SpeedyLeone@reddit
Civilization
hatchetharrie@reddit
Game franchise
mdmister@reddit
It's time to let go of new games
TheRedBreadisDead@reddit
Pretty much most franchises that I grew up with in general just got worse.
Jitkay@reddit
Battlefield and cod...
MundaneAlchs@reddit
fallout 4 was so garbage i only beat the main quest after forcing myself to do it once and yet i tried for hours to fix the game with mods, but nothing can fix something that is inherently ass to the core
Dragons Dogma 2 only improved visuals and character movement but everything else is is worse than the first game. Hell i would go so far as to say not even the visuals are better they are just more "realistic."
Assassins Creed, I played 1-3, spent a shit ton of time in 2 and brotherhood and never got the chance to play revelations and stopped playing the series, i hear black flag is good but everything after that looks atrocious especially the newer ones that have forced rpg scaling and other bullshit.
Sniper Elite Nazi Zombie Army, the 1st and 2nd were amazing games, but starting with the 3rd whoever made it, think rebellion, got dlc and microtransaction happy. You couldnt even complete one of the games since you would get a message at the end of a level to buy the dlc. The first one was my first game on my own steam account, and I couldnt even run it because i only had a real shitty laptop at the time that i could get fo3 running on Games for Windows Live if i set the render distance super low.
Borderlands, I played the 1st multiple times and the 2nd i have over 500 hours on, got the 3rd and its writing is so bad and annoying i dropped it not even 2 hours in. They then released new dlc for 2 to bridge the gap between the games and it was the same shit as 3
Bioshock, loved rapture, the 1st is a classic and the 2nd game as a big daddy was fun as hell. I did not like infinite at all, and the bullshit infinite parallel dimension story was ass
Saints Row, I played a bit of 3 and loved the over the top gameplay of 4, so glad i never even looked at buying the reboot, watched oneyplays and the game is atrocious
Serious Sam 3, 4/Siberian Mayhem they just dont hit nearly as hard as the original 2 games did
Dark souls 3, the 1st is one of my favorite games ever made, the 2nd stupidly amazing as well, then everything changed with 3, it and most souls likes just became fast paced action slop, even ER is a bit like it but at least in ER there's so much more variety. The only other souls-like that has come out recently that I enjoyed was the lords of the fallen reboot, its combat is not as fast as ds3 and feels much more weightier. Heavy armor actually feels like heavy armor too.
The Surge, I really liked the 1st game and its story and the combat is at a perfect speed of not being annoyingly fast like ds3 while also feeling weighty. The 2nd game felt way worse all because they too sped up the combat and added directional block/parries to combat, you have to know now what direction an attack is coming from to either block or parry it and with how the combat is paced it just not feasible to even enjoy, i got like 2 or 3 hours in before dropping it.
guacalito@reddit
minesweeper
BoshSwag@reddit
You joke, but I've been playing a version called Dragon Sweeper and its super fun.
Afraid-Exit2125@reddit
I checked out , the soundtrack is fire
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Thezza-D@reddit
Huh? MS is still da goat my man
nuked24@reddit
The Iran expansion is pretty exciting though
Vitality_VZ@reddit
CoD and Halo.
SnooHedgehogs7790@reddit
Stray redditor got on 4chan apparently, you can tell from the backtones of cringe and lacking racist, zionist, or nazi middle tones and no slurs in the uptones.
Namnguyendoto@reddit
D4 bad
rivent2@reddit
Nintendo as a whole. There isn't a Switch exclusive that isn't shown up by a random Steam game at a fraction of the price.
bossrabbit@reddit
Far cry when 5 came out
RogueShogun@reddit
Once Battlefield jumped to consoles it was the start of the end.
NotABot420number2@reddit
r /AskReddit
BisexualTaco99@reddit
Team fortress 2.
RoxyMusicVEVO@reddit
Far Cry. Played the hell out of the third game growing up, then played 4 and loved that one too. (IMO FC4 is head and shoulders above the third game, and it's nowhere near as edgy. And there's a neat message about violent transfers of power.) The fifth one was pretty good as well. Everything that came after is an utter embarrassment to the series.
The second franchise I have in mind is Life Is Strange. I know, I know. The first game was an absolutely delightful experience, and it is my favorite time capsule to the early 2010s. Every other game in the series (save for 2, perhaps) felt like a simulacrum of a simulacrum of a simulacrum.
Themadass@reddit
PvZ
SoapSteel@reddit
Dragon Age
gamamoder@reddit
honestly theres so many pokemon rom hacks that i feel like if you want something you can usually find it
_Magn3t0@reddit
FIFA. What a fall.
surfintheinternetz@reddit
every game
fvckCrosshairs@reddit
Call of Duty easily … everything after Modern warfare 2 was just slop after slop
armett96@reddit
Fallout, elder scrolls, borderlands, assassins creed, monster hunter, call of duty, and dead island off the top of my head
lamblamb65@reddit
Halo.
Saiki47@reddit
The legend of heroes
Early-Journalist-14@reddit
First 2 hours of baldurs gate 3.
MapleSquid@reddit
Heroes of Might and Magic.
Vanished_I-X@reddit
destiny, fallout, pokémon, fire emblem, nfs.
Bolbi1337@reddit
World of Warcraft, I’m no longer the target audience and it feels like shit with.
I_SHOT_A_PIG@reddit
I absolutely miss Saints Row and it hurt me really bad when they absolutely buried the franchise with the reboot. Saints Row 2 and 3 will forever live in my heart.
Lastburn@reddit
KSP crashed and burned with KSP2
lewd-boy-o@reddit
Plants vs Zombies? Fallout? Any sports game?
AlxIp@reddit
They said "franchise". There's one PvZ and only one
systemmm34@reddit
no?
AlxIp@reddit
Reddit when you didn't write /s
42Ubiquitous@reddit
There's a much higher degree of autism in this sub than others too.
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
Is this one much worse than r greentext or are they much the same crowd? I assume everyone does what I do, and just sub to both, but I swear some of the interactions I have on… one of them, who knows which… feel like I’m on here at the wrong time of day.
Weaksoul@reddit
Life. Like actual life
KingTrimble@reddit
Ea skate 🥺
Chinhoyi@reddit
not enough people know or hate it enough but i'm with you dawg. shut sucks
Thrap360@reddit
destiny 2
bigtuna09@reddit
Call of Duty
Dry-Tension-6650@reddit
World of Warcraft.
Lemak0@reddit
Phantasy Star Online 2 ngs
MisterGoo@reddit
Final Fantasy
SeaOfS1n@reddit
I wouldn't say it has gone downhill since it's already at rock bottom, but yeah, Team Fortress 2.
Dub-MS@reddit
Path of Exile
_Infinity_Girl_@reddit
Dragon age. I refuse to acknowledge the last game as Canon because I hate it so much.
SeattleOligarch@reddit
I'm lucky that Morrowind has a great modding community. Fuck oblivion and Skyrim. ES3 was peak Bethesda.
UncleSam45@reddit
No game franchise has shown more commitment to shitting the bed than Halo.
pbaagui1@reddit
Call of Duty
Started playing it since the very first one. Stopped at Ghosts
fangpi2023@reddit
Big Red One was a fantastic game. The new ones are just EA-ified Fortnite wannabe slop.
BillyOnFire123@reddit
Trove
Mind you it was shit turning into a bigger shit but it was my shit
EatRocksAndBleed@reddit
Halo
Jozaru27@reddit
Yakuza for me
ConnorOfAstora@reddit
Prince of Persia, not due to the games dropping in quality but because Ubisoft have made it crystal clear that they don't give a single solitary fuck about the franchise but they also have zero intention of selling the IP to someone who will actually make use of it. It's better to just be pessimistic and assume the franchise is done rather than get my hopes up for a game that won't release unless Ubisoft have had a good fiscal year.
They were gonna make a remake but after half a decade, one restart from square one and two separate studios of leading us on they decided to abandon it. I forget the PR bullshit phrase they used but they basically said it wasn't up to their standards of quality. Ubisoft doesn't have any quality standards if they did then how the hell can they explain the shit stain that was AC Odyssey?
They're just lying through their teeth cause they don't want to admit that Shadows sold horribly and modern Assassin's Creed has gotten so bad that it isn't just ruining its own franchise anymore and has started to negatively impact others.
ichydrew@reddit
FIFA
MCPON_John-117@reddit
I prefer not to take part in this conversation.
Gyrossuppe@reddit
Just Cause. No more collectible stuff? Well, nah.
Makicheesay@reddit
Metal gear solid, although that’s an easy one with the departure of Kojima
stenebrosa@reddit
Not necessarily "going downhill" but if they stay the current course then I have to accept that Zelda isn't really for me anymore.
bruhtopium@reddit
I’m a big fallout fan. I do enjoy 4, s1 of the show, and 76, but compared to the originals and New Vegas it’s not even comparable. Just story telling, lore consistency, immersion, and tone just sweeps Bethesda out of the water. West Coast fallout is an ever evolving world that’s advancing rapidly. We see it go from tribes, warring factions, to full on nations going to war with each other. Bethesda while fun is a little too campy. The world doesn’t evolve, it avoids really serious topics that could be controversial when applied, the Brotherhood of Steel while my favorite faction in Fallout is currently the only one actually advancing lore wise and is over represented, leans too much into the goofiness that many including myself thought was immersion breaking in Fallout 2, very money hungry. It’s not the same. I love them both but at many points I have a hard to believing they are the same franchise.
campodelviolin@reddit
Rocksteady.
GLaDOS_Sympathizer@reddit
Blizzard used to be amazing, then it turned into a crapfest money grab.
Camulus@reddit
Destiny 100%
No other game has the je ne sais quoi that no Destiny 2 has. It feels good to tear trough a pack of mobs in D2. Don’t even get me started on the raids because they are so peak.
TraumaPerformer@reddit
Um, all of them?
Dragon age Mass effect Saints row Cod Resident evil Silent hill Assassins creed Gears of war
The only franchises I liked that didn’t go downhill went bust in their apex. The way it should be.
HoldMyDiction@reddit
Monster Hunter
xtraSleep@reddit
Probably Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Pokemon, Destiny, Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Mario Kart, Mario Party, most sports games, Mario and Luigi superstar saga series, Final Fantasy, Fire emblem, Civilization, Sims.
It’s hard for devs to not fuck up a brand.
Willyzyx@reddit
WoW
Gamepass90@reddit
Halo and Assassin's Creed are still amazing with each new game
Darkblade887@reddit
Pokemon, lack of a postgame is awful in S/V. No battle tower so once your mons hit a certain point you have to train new ones if you want a fair fight against NPCs
kojimbob@reddit
Dragon Age
doctorfeelgod@reddit
Bethesda
DogSerious1971@reddit
the easier question would be which one hasn't gone downhill
pm_me_old_maps@reddit
Fallout
CaseroRubical@reddit
Instagram ass post
obetu5432@reddit
doom after 2 (or 3 if i'm generous)
LaVaLauncher@reddit
Call of duty. Assassin's creed. Spyro.
Upper-Distribution94@reddit
Like many have already said it is Halo for me. I grew up a massive fan since buying a copy of Halo 1 but when 343 took over making them the series became trash. It's sad because I thought that would be the best game series forever.
xXHalalManXx@reddit
Luigi’s mansion. The first set the scene and it was pretty great, perfectly morbid but still somehow tame enough to rate it E, but then second made it too goofy and the third game was straight up ragebait the entire game
edbods@reddit
i didn't even know there were sequels lol
xXHalalManXx@reddit
They’re honestly not great. 2 keeps the mansion bit there but lacks the creepiness factor that the first had, where they made the mansion actually look somewhat like a real mansion might look instead of woo spooky mansion ooo!
ScoldedHanky@reddit
As a history Stan, Total War.
Markles102@reddit
Pokemon
Markles102@reddit
Nintendo
pugsington01@reddit
Total War
ContentPolicyKiller@reddit
Fallout
robot_gillyman@reddit
Total War
choikwa@reddit
Diablo
iVar4sale@reddit
Fallout
Ranjit-RedeemSarr@reddit
Tomb raider
Delicious-Mission787@reddit
final fantasy when XII came out
ofthehouses92@reddit
Kingdom hearts
Comfortable-Key8997@reddit
Not just games, but entire studios. Stopped buying EA a long time ago, Rockstar Games over their push to have to sign in w/ their servers all the times, Blizzard due to the water downtent and anti-consumer practices (Warcraft 3 reforged being just 1 example of many).
BenAfflecksBalls@reddit
All the sports games. I'm well aware I'm a minority in enjoying them in this audience but holy shit, you could not make them worse year over year even if that was your stated objective.
KenTanRandomYT@reddit
Fallout
docdidma@reddit
Nintendo
velvett_wink@reddit
It's Pokemon anyway, are you guys pre ordering the dual pack or just one version?
Sarojh-M@reddit
Destiny, believe it or not
Irjorjeh@reddit
Destiny
midgestickles98@reddit
Halo
_nathata@reddit
Battlefield
LEGAL_SKOOMA@reddit
halo. a lot of people say it fell off after reach, to me it ran off a cliff when 5 dropped.
FullTube@reddit
Last of Us, since part 2
Zombiesalad1337@reddit
counter strike.