Anon remembers 7 years ago
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Posted by _Planet_Mars_@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 107 comments
starberryslay@reddit
"you don't like intended game mechanic that's baked and built into the game at its core? just don't use it - simple!"
Berkuts_Lance_Plus@reddit
This reminds me of when the Pokémon developers were asked whether it was possible to turn the EXP Share off. Their answer was "just remove all Pokémon except the one you want to get EXP from your party",
CoffeeWorldly9915@reddit
You probably mean the EXP ALL from gen 1. The EXP Share is a held item that popped up in gen 2 as soon as held items became a thing. And you can in fact solo the League with a lv 100 Mewtwo with seismic toss, psychic, and thunderbolt. Assuming you in fact wanted to use it. Otherwise there's a PC entry with the player's name for that.
Berkuts_Lance_Plus@reddit
I mean the EXP Share from the newer games that works like the EXP All from Gen 1, but on steroids. Instead of the battling Pokémon getting 50% of the experience and sharing the remaining 50% with the rest of the party, the battling Pokémon gets 100% of the experience, and the rest of the party gets 50% of the experience.
PomegranateHot9916@reddit
there you go misrepresenting the context to fit your narrative.
this was about a gun in a single player shooting game.
as in one gun out of a whole bunch. a gun you're not required to use for anything.
and you call that a baked mechanic at the games core?
ridiculous.
you also control the games that you play.
so if a mechanic is required and you don't like it, maybe you're not the target audience. but there are a bunch of other games for you still.
starberryslay@reddit
there you go misunderstanding/missing the context to look like a dumbass.
The "ruining gaming discourse forever" wasn't about doom, it was about people misusing that tweet with other games where the spoken mechanics were actually baked in.
it is ridiculous because I didn't say that lmfao
This is true, and people should stop being overly negative, but people overuse this to dismiss criticism.
I've UN'd quite a few doom games so don't go lecturing me on shit that u misread in my comment.
OCD-but-dumb@reddit
In this case it was just an ice weapon which I think I never once used
mipsisdifficult@reddit
Yeah, exactly. It's one thing for WOKE AND GAY PRONOUNS(tm) since that wouldn't normally be a core game mechanic, but not using a core mechanic is an active disadvantage. It's like sprint in Halo. You can't not use sprint in modern Halo since you actively put yourself at a disadvantage by not using it. And of course, sprint as a whole effects the entire game so it's not just a matter of "I don't like how it feels to use," it's a matter of the game as a whole. Words are hard, but I hope people get what I mean.
starberryslay@reddit
sprint in halo was exactly what I was thinking about when I wrote this lol
Pieman117@reddit
Reminds me of when console modding came out for fallout 4, and I saw mods that remove fast travel to make the game more 'immersive'
Like, why download a mod for that? You could just not fast travel and achieve the same result
NeroStudios2@reddit
I dont remember 7 years ago
AdolfJesusMasterChie@reddit
Winter7296@reddit
7 years... Doom Eternal trailers were 7 years ago...
neoqueto@reddit
The ice bomb is so good though, on Nightmare you have to constantly rotate between it and the grenade, it'll save your ass many times and you'll learn to love it
Gravemind93@reddit
Yeah nothing is more fun than approaching every single encounter with the exact same circular process.
Definitely never got old.
DinkleDonkerAAA@reddit
You. Control. The. Buttons. You. Press.
Auditor-G80GZT@reddit
We don't control the buttons the developer adds and brute-forces a requirement to press.
duplicatedouble@reddit
brainlet take
Auditor-G80GZT@reddit
You control the buttons you press.
You don't control the buttons the developer wants to push you into pressing.
How is that remotely "brainlet" or did you actually flub reading that hard
duplicatedouble@reddit
just dont use it. idk how you flubbed reading the other comments that hard
Auditor-G80GZT@reddit
"just don't use it" doesn't actually address the qualm being brought up, in that "it" is introduced and expected in the loop.
"You control the buttons you press" has done irreparable damage to discourse because actual brainlets think it's a "gotcha" while it doesn't actually address the core of the issue.
duplicatedouble@reddit
why dont you make the game then. go become a game developer and change it. dont whine.
Auditor-G80GZT@reddit
Holy shit it's the "make your own" meme in the wild
ultimateshadowarrior@reddit
Have you ever played the game?
It's not a requirement, it's an option. An option that works better in some situations, but people were playing it before this option was added.
Auditor-G80GZT@reddit
Me when I forget that developers balance a game around using a thing
Gravemind93@reddit
Thank you
Lachybomb@reddit
Your response is exactly what anon is complaining about. Sure, you do literally control the buttons you press, but as the comment above you points out, the game design necessitates you to use the ice bomb to succeed in higher difficulties.
Responding with that quippy phrase ignores the nuance of the situation and shuts down discussion of how the implementation of the mechanic affects how fun the game is to play.
Anon is essentially saying that the popularity of social media "gotcha" responses like this have led gaming discourse towards bad-faith discussions where people simply try to "win" in the most aura-farming way possible, instead of thinking critically about the media they consume.
Gravemind93@reddit
You're. Missing. The. Point.
breakfasteveryday@reddit
lol dude they're just games
Play how you want to
neoqueto@reddit
Doom Eternal does have a certain routine but it's very varied and very fun.
echit2112@reddit
do you have the slightest idea of how many games you just described
NeroStudios2@reddit
You, dont have too? Lol you can, chose not to do that
Auditor-G80GZT@reddit
This is kind of the issue with "you control the buttons you press"
"You have to constantly rotate between it and the grenade"
meaning, you don't control the buttons you have to press.
Imaginary_Sugar_3138@reddit
me when Im forced to use rock against scissors to win >:(
Auditor-G80GZT@reddit
Me when I overdesign a game into being as solved as rock paper scissors
neoqueto@reddit
You have a choice, you can also get killed by a cacodemon
Elleden@reddit
Those were my favourite big demons, because all it took was one grenade from the shotgun's launcher and they were ready for a nice Glory Kill.
gorilla_raccoon@reddit
They were basically floating health packs after a certain point
OddCombination@reddit
Let's be real, the guy that asked about turning off the grenade will not be playing at that level.
RipDove@reddit
My ONLY critique of Doom Eternal, honest to god, is that the toggle for the ice grenade makes no fucking sense.
Press G to use it (I don't remember, I rebound the controls for comboing easier), but then it's like, pressing R to switch which Grenade.
If there's only 2 fucking grenades, then make G the Grenade, the R the Ice Grenade. I specifically wrote a script for my Keyboard where when I press R in Doom Eternal it actually does R>G>R to instantly fire the Ice Grenade.
devildaggers@reddit
I'm also a crackhead (250+ hours). Everything besides wasd is rebinded and I swap grenades with the scroll wheel, any direction, and fire with scroll click.
RipDove@reddit
Oh yeah, my mouse wheel up is the plasma, mouse wheel down is gatling, Q is for the autocannon, 1 is the shotgun, 2 is the super, 3 is the arbo, 4 is the rockets
So generally I'm mashing 1 > 2 > 1 > 2 for basic shotgun swapping; or 2 > 4 > 3 for higher hp enemies.
It's weird to me to play the game on the default controls
obetu5432@reddit
a freeze bomb? :O
that freezes enemies? :O
doom truly revolutionized the fps genre
KineticAmphibian@reddit
For a recent example of why this is not actually a proper argument;
Sprint has been added to Halo: CE Remake 2. Sprint has been a spot contentiousness for a long time, but being added to this game really is a bad idea that can't be glossed over by being turned off. Here's why.
If Sprint has been added to an otherwise faithful remake, then the developers do not understand the deliberate choice in movement speed that was chosen for the environment and adding a sprint function breaks the design of the game. Having Sprint available at all is bloat and can ruin a players experience.
if the game has been changed to accommodate sprint, then the entire experience has been altered to warrant the new movement speed, and so anyone who doesn't use it is slogging through a much bigger space and against much faster enemies.
There is no outcome in which sprint being added is a good idea, and simply giving the option to not use it does not provide an adequate fix for the problem. Improperly implemented bloat mechanics cannot be fixed by not pressing the button, because either the rest of the game is bent over backwards to accommodate bloat, or the addition of the bloat just breaks the game because it isn't balanced.
PomegranateHot9916@reddit
so? don't play the remake then
is there something wrong with the original? no right?
that game never needed a remake so the moment you saw it be announced you should have just laughed at the obvious nostalgia-bait cashgrab.
what you're mad about is that you got conned into buying something you didn't need.
it sucks, I agree. and it happens to all of us.
you're not making a strong point here, lot of "if"
but you still make the authoritative claim that it couldn't possibly be done with sprint. which is the kind of certainty that must make you wrong. there is always a way to do things well.
but you shouldn't expect them to do things well for a cashgrab product.
TheLongWalk_Home@reddit
The point of a remake isn't to fix a broken product, it's to put a fresh coat of paint on a game that lots of people already enjoy playing. Of course no one "needs" a remake, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to buy one and then being upset that the remake fundamentally changes the gameplay of the original.
YorkPorkWasTaken@reddit
"I haven't made a strong argument here... Better add the word 'bloat' a few times."
poptartscanspeak@reddit
linux users have been using this method for years
evilpeenevil@reddit
I use Arch btw
Absolutemehguy@reddit
bloatslop
Holiday_Road7111@reddit
nah but genuinely people sometimes just crash out over some completely optional stuff
New_Canuck_Smells@reddit
I wonder if achievements and completionism are behind some of it. If you want the platinum trophy, it's no longer that optional.
Holiday_Road7111@reddit
Definitely for some, but I think most people just really want or like to complain. I've seen people complain about shit like housing in wow, which is completely optional and you actively need to go out of your way to even interact with it. And in many MMO instances the platinum trophy thing is near impossible because they have a shitton of legacy achievements that just arent obtainable anymore
echit2112@reddit
i've seen people genuinely never willing to touch baldur's gate 3 because they saw the ultra-specific path you basically have to build up to for the entire game in which you get to fuck a guy whilst he is shapeshifted into a bear.
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
I remember when KCD2 came out and people were mad that you could click dialogue options with hearts next to them over the course of 50 hours to have a 30 seconds gay sex scene and how that ruined the game for them. My brother in christ you clicked the buttons
JessHorserage@reddit
Yeah, if anything is weird in KCD2, it's other stuff. The gay sex is actually based because you get to ignore women.
i-like-dogs-167@reddit
Wait I can have hot gay sex in KCD2? I am not playing this game correctly
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
https://i.redd.it/weo7gu3rz7wg1.gif
matijoss@reddit
Yeah, with hans capon
I still don't want to cheat on theresa, she's the only one for my henry
tossietuatoa@reddit
There is another.
A one night stand with >!Black Bartosch, combat instructor of Trosky castle!<
This one is even more obtuse, as it's only available during a specific part of the main quest, >! the banquet before Trosky attacks Nebakov !< , where you don't need to talk to the guy to progress the story. In fact, you're not even given the optional quest objective to talk to the guy unlike every other person who have some sort of quest specific tasks or activities for you.
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
I was literally looking for gay sex scenes while playing and completely missed it. The only reason I played the game was because of a 2 hour chud review calling the game woke and gay propaganda so I had to check it out (then ended up having a lot of fun so stuck with it to the end). Clearly I have to replay it
darklightmatter@reddit
I thought one of the quests offered training from him as a reward?
Ekkzzo@reddit
Ngl I hit all the heart options, because I thought they just sounded like the best response between friends. I did get offered gay sex, but just didn't pick the option lol.
With Theresa waiting for Henry at home I just think Hans should stay a best friend.
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
Ngl the ending coming an hour later after the gay sex was depressing as fuck so it's probably for the best
DickManning@reddit
I have also seen people mad that you can pray to get a buff while it is completely optional to get that perk
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
I will say praying to get a 12 (or 24?) hour temporary buff that God will let you survive one lethal hit is fucking hilarious though. I can at least see why people would be upset about that one. But I'm pretty sure you can still pray without the perk, it just doesn't give you any mechanical benefit, could be wrong it's been a year since I played it
crocodilepickle@reddit
Fuck i need to play this game. Kcd1 was beyond peak and kcd2 seems even better
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
I never played kcd1 and had a blast with 2. I think I spent the first 2 hours making potions and selling them and somehow had fun doing it. Crazy
ohSpite@reddit
It's better in literally every way they absolutely cooked. My GOTY last year by a mile
Saaka_Souffle@reddit
To be fair, the romances were a little messed up on release and every companion would be trying to fuck you almost directly after meeting.
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
Wyll and Gale aggressively giving sad puppy eyes when you reject them was sad. I literally didn't even have wyll in my party at any point in the game and he still wanted to "dance" with me then did the saddest cupid shuffle away after I declined because I was already, enticed, by Karlach
GandalfTheGay_69@reddit
Yes I distinctly remember Halsin (the bear guy) just wouldn't fucking stop trying to seduce my character, even after rejecting him. It got to a point where I just avoided him because it was uncomfortable.
Darthjinju1901@reddit
I mean tbf, I'm sure plenty of people irl have faced that exact situation/scenario.
Fr4gtastic@reddit
And even then you could just say no.
kieran81@reddit
Anon is wrong 100%
There are plenty of people who genuinely get mad a feature they never have to interact with ever gets added.
I saw a guy get mad that a disability feature got added to a single player game.
AVeryFriendlyOldMan@reddit
Like guy, just don't use them if you don't like them
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
Is this the guy that made the LoU2 review where he just screams about woke and gay the entire time?
TheMumblyMumbler@reddit
He’s the one who went on like a 5 minute rant about Starfield having a they/them pronouns option when you make your character
Although I wouldn’t doubt he did that too
Bagoom___Lenin@reddit
Ah yeah that was what I was thinking of ty
NESs181@reddit
The tomodachi life direct made this abundantly clear
Anabiter@reddit
I remember complaining about how you can download and share Miis on the new Tomodachi life, and someone said my complaints were dumb because pronouns and sexual preferences are what are 'really ruining the game'
isimsiz6@reddit
If developers are spending development time on features that you don't like, they don't spend that time on features you do like.
kieran81@reddit
You're right, I kind of hate it when developers spend precious dev time making the game playable.
More devs should make a character fart audio-gallery, where you can look at their model and imagine them sitting on your face and unleashing stinkies in your face 😍
isimsiz6@reddit
So feature you don't want is making the game playable and feature you want is your fart fetish?
kieran81@reddit
Yeah baby 😏 I hate it when people can play my game.
TOOBADWALUIGITIME@reddit
These big mean developers should personally ask you about every feature they add so it doesn’t upset you
CleanMyBalls@reddit
Maybe they should spend it on putting porn in the game to make you like it
isimsiz6@reddit
U projecting?
OmNomSandvich@reddit
the virgin hard mode gamer vs the chad story mode, aim assist, wiki on second monitor video game enjoyer.
CancerNormieNews@reddit
Anon is right, nowadays if you ever complain about balance in a singleplayer game people will spam this shit and go "errrmmmm have you considered just not using?!?!?! It's a singleplayer game bro who cares about balance"
secondcondary@reddit
El contexto pleaso
Mr_P3@reddit
A game was hard and people got upset that the way you make it not hard is by pressing the right buttons
NowaVision@reddit
But what was the something?
VanityTheManatee@reddit
It was a freeze grenade. The game is very playable without it, but I don't really know why it was an issue to begin with.
Elleden@reddit
Wait seriously? I finished Doom Eternal for the first time like 4 days ago (Ultra Violence), and I didn't even know use the Freeze Grenades until I fully upgraded them in the Praetor suit (which was the last section I upgraded, mostly because I couldn't be bothered to swap between the two types of grenades so I spammed frag grenades until basically the last 80% of the game).
Blahajlover74@reddit
Pretty sure it was the chainsaw in doom eternal
Blahajlover74@reddit
Wait no I’m stupid it was the freeze bomb
InspiringMilk@reddit
Yeah the chainsaw is far from optional
NowaVision@reddit
Thanks.
chilliophillio@reddit
What the fuck. The reddit app auto translates now and thought you meant "The context is pleasing."
ifeelallthefeels@reddit
Wtf, I was hunting for the context
Yet another Helpful Feature that I have to pray they’ll let me turn off
oylesine2019@reddit
Lmao what is wrong with ice bombs in doom ?
darko_mrtvak@reddit
This also includes the "Pay Mick Gordon what he's owed" button and "don't be morons" button as well
patrlim1@reddit
Except when you disagree with a Design choice because it fundamentally breaks a game.
Take the Halo CE remake. They decided to add sprint. This is a problem because the game is meant to be a faithful remake, but sprint forces them to do one of two things;
Keep the maps the same, and obliterate pacing, or make the maps bigger, and force people to use sprint.
Sir_CrazyLegs@reddit
Does this include purchases?
Survival_R@reddit
Prob not since now money is involved
seeyagatorr@reddit
Gaming discourse was never good. Ever.
People want games to be art but they don't want it held to the same standards. I believe it's a pairing of emotions and personalities being tied so deeply in to someone's hobbies now and a vitriolic anti-intellectualism. Reddit being amongst the worst places for it as little bitches downvote anything that grazes their carefully constructed bubble.
Forget about anything professional. They've always been whores. Under-educated Patsy's whose critique amounts to a monkey's thumbs up or down, yet lacks even that honesty.