What would it take to get one of the stored F-14 Tomcats flying again?
Posted by whywouldthisnotbea@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 271 comments
I had heard years ago that they cut the wing spars to prevent them from being used against us. Looking back on it, I doubt that would truly be the reason. Like someone is going to sneak in and Tom Cruise one out of the Boneyard. Are these in fact still intact? If so, surely the materials needed are not made of as much unobtanium as say the SR-71. Also, even if the spars are cut, cant we extrude more and rebuild the wing? You would basically need to anyways to restore it to airworthy condition. Or is it purely a fact that the government won't sell an airframe to anyone bold enough to try?
TheDrMonocle@reddit
Money. Lots of fucking money.
Money to first bribe the government to even let you have one. Pretty sure there are very strict rules about them due to Iran using them. (or... at least they used to) Then money to actually buy it. Then money to hire people to work on it. Money for parts. Then money for a shop to custom make the parts they destroyed to make them permanently unairworthy. Then money to prove those parts are as good as the original parts. Money to then get the FAA to certify it for flight...
Honestly the more I think about it, it'll probably be cheaper to just design a brand new copycat of one.
flyguy60000@reddit
So…..fighters are not like airliners in the sense that the FAA has nothing to do with their certification. They are more like an experimental homebuilt. There is no airworthiness certificate.
Also, iirc, the US got wind that the Iranians were scouring the globe looking for parts to keep their F-14s flying. (To the point that they even found one crashed somewhere in the Southern part of the US and were recovering whatever parts they could.) The US response was to find and destroy any remaining parts - dooming the remaining airframes to non flyable museum pieces. Unfortunately….
TheDrMonocle@reddit
Fair point but isn't there still some process involved in certifying the aircraft? I worked on a C-27 someone was pulling from the boneyard for a museum while I was in A&P school. I swear they had to get a ferry permit so figured there must be some process involving the FAA to fly it.
All my experience in maintenance was a brief stint at an airline before I became a controller. So while I've covered this stuff before i dont have a practical knowledge in edge cases like this
flyguy60000@reddit
Yes, you would need a ferry permit - permission to move the aircraft - from the FAA. That only means the plane is in safe enough condition to be flown and in a limited fashion, usually as a one time thing. When military aircraft are manufactured they do not receive an airworthiness certificate from the FAA; in many cases they could not meet FAA requirements for airworthiness because of their design. This is not a requirement of the military, however.
SilentSpr@reddit
Even if someone does have the money it would be like trying to land on the moon again with the same Apollo tech. You don’t have the same technical know how to replicate the mission anymore. Are the R&D docs still around? The technicians who used to work on it maybe long retired. The old machine shop to make parts isn’t there anymore. It’s just not worth doing at this point
baughbl@reddit
Grumman was very vertically integrated, most of their machine shop equipment was sold after the big merger. Plenty of fun stories on sending legacy Grumman employees to now suppliers to tell them how to use the machines we sold them many years ago
Ams4r@reddit
That’s a lot of billions you'll need there
Zh25_5680@reddit
When the U.S. govt says they are too expensive to maintain when they were operating them… take that as guidance for how much it would cost to get flying again
These aren’t WWII warbirds that have pulleys for controls and basic motors for flight. The amount of parts and pieces you would have to source, remake, and certify to remotely think about being allowed to fly it would be insane
JelyFisch@reddit
Slap and experimental sticker on her and call it a day!
Tracerz2Much@reddit
Good luck getting insurance lmao
French792@reddit
Just need to certify the ejection seat.
boredatwork8866@reddit
Where we are going we won’t need insurance
Capnmarvel76@reddit
The ground?
Fluffy-Trouble5955@reddit
'All the way to the scene of the crash'
OrganizationPutrid68@reddit
Smoking hole in aforementioned ground.
FestivusFan@reddit
🇨🇳
LemmyKilmisterRogers@reddit
So through the ground?
MakeChipsNotMeth@reddit
Engine failure caused by abnormal hillside ingestion
Taki_Minase@reddit
A one way trip to hell and beyond
zackks@reddit
No need to collect insurance if you're a smoking hole in the ground.
tractorcrusher@reddit
Thank God for The General
veryfastslowguy@reddit
Call Maverick
europorn@reddit
His ego is writing checks his body can't cash!
Dick_Caught_In_Fan_@reddit
Insurance isn't your problem if you don't survive the crash.
teleterminal@reddit
What do you need insurance for?
Stegosaurus69@reddit
Convert them to YF-14 lol
CounterSimple3771@reddit
YF-14+1
Critical_Loss8342@reddit
Completely agree. I worked on these birds when I joined the Navy almost 30 years ago. They were nearing the end of their usefulness then. Finding replacement parts to keep them running was a big issue because the companies that built them had already moved on to more advanced technologies and had stopped supporting them. There might be enough swappable parts to get a few rolling for a limited time, one or two missions, but nothing worth the effort of putting them back into service.
KosmolineLicker@reddit
Also, when does the government ever say something is too expensive? It must be a money pit by that metric.
unreqistered@reddit
“to expensive to maintain” is just an excuse to piss away money on something more expensive to maintain, like the F-35
Raptorwolf98@reddit
No, there is a pretty well-defined and easily-observed “bathtub” curve of mean time to failure over the lifespan of an airframe. Maintenance costs skyrocket after the programmed lifespan because our defense sustainment fundamentally does not work.
When all goes to plan, we buy a new platform and enough spare parts upfront (to be produced throughout the programmed lifespan) to use a jet for 20-30 years. 10-15 years before that, we are supposed to be looking at developing a replacement. Congress invariably balks at the cost and forces service life extensions down our throats, which ironically make our legacy platforms far more expensive to fly than any modern one.
Looking at the F-15E vs the F-35A for cost per flight hour (which factors in maintenance, parts, fuel, and other operating costs), the F-15E costs about $10K more (~$27K vs ~$18K). Most of this cost comes down to the DoD essentially having to duplicate much of the old supply chain which no longer exists for the Strike Eagle, and that aircraft is only about 40 years old.
Once past the programmed lifespan, a lot of the more niche components will no longer be procurable because the manufacturer either went under with no other customers or moved on to something else. We then have to invest an inordinate amount of time, technical expertise, and money into reverse-engineering our own parts and finding an alternate contractor (who can now essentially dictate their terms since we need the part) or building it in-house.
In the meantime, field units struggle with plummeting MC rates as parts become scarcer and jets break more often. When it gets really bad, we start seeing new breaks in systems or structures that were designed to last the entire service life, so there is minimal, if any, sustainment capability.
TL,DR: It’s far more economical to replace platforms every 2-3 decades than to string them along for 4-6 because we “can’t afford” to replace them.
OmarRIP@reddit
The only there is doing a lot of lifting.
unreqistered@reddit
the f-35 is currently equal to the f-35 in cost per flight hour
Eastern_Labrat@reddit
A couple billion $ (?).
JDepinet@reddit
The argument has always been to prevent Iran from gaining access to spare parts they destroyed the dies.
b_vitamin@reddit
Mav and Goose could get it running.
security-six@reddit
Also, ground and air crews would need to be trained and activated
Wiseassgamgee@reddit
Yeah, but it would be cool if a historic aircraft organization, like the CAF, could gather the veterans/expertise and funding to get just one flyable again.
Standard-Outcome9881@reddit
Maintaining a jet aircraft is much more expensive than propeller aircraft.
Zh25_5680@reddit
Backseat rides for…..
$20 million 😃
AllAboutTheBJam@reddit
Cheaper than seeing the titanic?
unreqistered@reddit
safer to
pr1ap15m@reddit
Don’t tell the billionaires
Christopger@reddit
Corporate retreats
ExtraSuperfluous@reddit
They’re selling rides to space for 6 figures. 🤷♂️
SaltRequirement3650@reddit
Did they not also cut the wing spars on these?
The_Ashamed_Boys@reddit
IMO no reason to cut the wing spars on the ones stored here. Only makes sense to cut them on the ones that went to museums where they don't have the security that an active military base has.
WillTheyKickMeAgain@reddit
Then why leave them in the boneyard and not scrap them?
RodediahK@reddit
Because the effort to scrap a mess of 1970s composites, heavy metals and paint is going to be a nightmare.
Known-Associate8369@reddit
How much does it cost to let them rot in the boneyard, vs pulling them from the boneyard, destroying them and verifying that they have been destroyed and no parts have been … diverted to foreign buyers?
WillTheyKickMeAgain@reddit
I don’t know. Someone should figure that out.
Raptorwolf98@reddit
Storage is almost always cheaper than destruction and disposal, especially when it comes to aircraft.
Known-Associate8369@reddit
The point is, no one does anything unless theres a budget to do it.
And the cost of leaving them to rot in the boneyards is near enough to zero that it will take a lot to make someone spending money on it.
So theres no budget to destroy them, and no argument to get the budget because theres no risk of them where they currently are.
Same reason you dump stuff in your attic, shed or that corner of your garden rather than have it hauled away - it costs, either in money or time and effort to actually get rid of it, but sticking it somewhere you dont think about is much much easier.
Elean0rZ@reddit
The boneyard has a long history of scrapping/dismantling decommissioned aircraft, though, presumably with all appropriate safeguards re: "diversion" and verification. Do you have reason to believe that there's something unique about the F-14's cost/benefit calculus in that regard?
Known-Associate8369@reddit
Given the fact that there has always been specific focus on the F-14s and spare parts for them (either direct or dual use) since 1979…. To the point where main spars for static display aircraft were cut etc….
Yes, its very obvious that up until now they have not been the same as other aircraft stored and disposed of at the boneyard, and more focus is out on them when they are disposed of.
The recent destruction of Irans Tomcat fleet over the past 6 weeks might now change that.
jackjohnjack2000@reddit
Leave it to the Iranians to make them flyable in no time. As a matter of fact, all F-14s were scuttled beyond the point of restoration exactly because of that.
Zero56416@reddit
“New Pilot, be patient” bumper sticker. There, solved /s
ComfortableBus7184@reddit
I thought they said "my other ride is a Raptor"
onefaraz@reddit
The Us Gov has a tendency to inflate costs, with all the cost plus accounting and super expensive supply chains. I bet you can reproduce this plane part for part for a fraction of the price.
Captain_Mazhar@reddit
All the plans and dies were destroyed though, so you’d have to reverse engineer the entire thing to be able to make spare parts again.
ddadopt@reddit
You can certainty inflate costs with cost accounting but you can't ignore 40-60 maintenance hours per flight hour.
Animeniackinda1@reddit
Iirc, the wing box alone is EXPENSIVE
aqaba_is_over_there@reddit
Fun fact. The F14 used the first microprocessor. It controlled the variable swept wings.
Until this fact was declassified, Intel was credited as having developed the first microprocessor.
Cautious-Buy5791@reddit
It’s a contentious topic. The Garret on the tomcat was a chipset while the intel was on a single piece of silicon. But I know the chipset on the f-14 is accepted now as the first microprocessor.
ProJoe@reddit
Yeah there are a lot of other factors behind that, namely the defense lobby wanting billions for the next Gen fighters.
IncognitoAlt11@reddit
That’s not even true. The F-35 is nearly 20ish thousand dollars cheaper per flight hour vs the F-14. The F-14D program would not have solved this issue. The F-14 was a dead end for the Navy and the Air Force was already killing itself over how expensive the F-111 was.
GraysonWhitter@reddit
Hi, I know nothing about any of this. When you say "F-35 is nearly 20ish thousand dollars cheaper per flight hour vs the F-14" does that mean that e.g. it cost 100k to fly an F-14 for an hour but costs 80k to fly an F-35 for an hour; OR, does it mean that the F-14 costs more per life flight hour (price+maintenance/hours of flight) than the F-35? Honest inquiry.
arbybruce@reddit
I’ve seen people say it required 30-60 hours of maintenance for each hour of flight time… back when the spare parts and expertise still existed
chestertoronto@reddit
Tom Cruise
hushpuppy12@reddit
Unless these are recent images which would prove me wrong here but there are no F14s remaining at the boneyard or storage sites in the US. All were pretty much destroyed.
Mysterious_Basil2818@reddit
As of March 2026, there are still 8 F-14s in the Boneyard. There’s also still a half dozen or so in the boneyard at China Lake.
alexos77lo@reddit
I mean that is in china, that doesn’t count
mkosmo@reddit
But what’s the state of the wing box?
ThaddeusJP@reddit
Knowing the United States government I would not be shocked if they could be put back into service, even as some sort of experimental test airplane, but it would cost a shit ton of money.
Remember they said they retired all the f-117s but they're still in the air
Really at the end of the day with enough money you can do anything. And the government has demonstrated time and again they have no problem burning cash for insane stuff
azrckcrwler@reddit
The F-14 is a bit different than the F-117. The reason we destroyed them rather than store them was to deny any chance (or at least, reduce the chance as much as possible) for spare parts to make their way to Iran after relations degraded. To my understanding at least.
Mysterious_Basil2818@reddit
I assume the AMARC ones have been destroyed since they’re museum hold airframes, but I would be curious to know how demilled the China Lake ones are.
champ2633@reddit
Theres one about 5 miles from me right now
dampforeskin@reddit
You're gonna need: F14AAD-1.pdf https://share.google/0CBLygQzROR78cKB4 A flashlight JP5, a couple barrels maybe
And keep the greasy side down.
HarryTruman@reddit
Go get one and report back.
Redsoxmac@reddit
Give ‘em hell, Harry!
Cruel2BEkind12@reddit
There's a preserved F-14 like the one in OPs pic in the boneyard that is in a special spot away from where the destroyed and scrapped ones were. Someone high up probably saw the value or history to keep one around in that condition. Maybe even as a training tool or control for how long their preservation processes can sit around.
Beechcraft77@reddit
There’s only one in that condition, I think there are three more in the AMARG inventory, but they are in rough shape with the wingbox cut open and exposed to the elements when I saw them in Feb.
rocbolt@reddit
Last time I flew over was in December, saw one on Celebrity Row and another by itself by the Orions, but couldn't see everything on our flightpath
Beechcraft77@reddit
Hmmm. Didn’t know about the one by the Orions, I’ll check my photos. But there were 3 by the last row of C-5s near the F-15s by Yuma st.
rocbolt@reddit
This was June of 2025, I think there is 4 in the row of miscellany between the F-15s and A-10s. I haven't seen that side more recently
P33L3D@reddit
Yeah I see them, 3 with the wings fully extended, and the last one fully swept, wicked picture!
Ok_Suggestion_6092@reddit
This is actually another two that have had their wings, canopies, radomes and no telling what else removed.
Disastrous-Wall-6943@reddit
The one by the Navy building?
I think that one was also made permanently unflyable.
Cruel2BEkind12@reddit
I don't think any plane thats been done up in the preservation process would be rendered unflyable. Seems like a waste of time.
Terminal_Phase@reddit
F-14s are an exception because once they were retired they were specifically ordered to be rendered unflyable and any potentially usable salvage/used parts destroyed.
All to prevent any spare parts from falling into Iran’s hands. Or Iran full on executing operations to obtain parts from retired or stored aircraft.
Any museum F-14s have been gutted and had the wing box cut open. Which is a death wish for the plane ever flying again.
stocksandblonds@reddit
Except Iran doesn't have any anymore! So, it's pointless to "prevent them from getting parts" when they don't have any!
Terminal_Phase@reddit
The F-14 was retired from U.S. service in 2006. Which is when that decision was made. Last I checked that was 20 years ago.
Are you dumb?
stocksandblonds@reddit
No. But, I have pictures of when I was a kid of my uncle holding me when I took a tour of the aircraft carrier he was on and vividly remember the tomcat that's in that picture. We have flying examples of all sorts of aircraft from WW2 and earlier but no Tomcats - an aircraft that inspired a generation. This is really simple: you tell the contractor to fix what they screwed up at their cost or they don't get any more military contracts.
This is a real piece of history that should be flying.
Raptorwolf98@reddit
It wasn’t a contractor making that call, it was a deliberate decision of Congress to deny potential resources to a foreign adversary. It would now require essentially reverse-engineering significant portions of the design for no strategic benefit. At best, you’d have a dead-end design resurrected for morale flights at extreme cost. That funding has to come from somewhere. What programs should we defund so we can have a flyable museum piece?
Moose135A@reddit
The contractor didn’t screw anything up; they did the work they were ordered to by the government.
HogmanDaIntrudr@reddit
You
Kanyiko@reddit
They still had back when this was done.
stocksandblonds@reddit
Well, make them fix them back up now that it doesn't matter! They are big part of history!
Raptorwolf98@reddit
“Historical value” is pretty low on the priority list for sustainment funding. Especially since it would require essentially reverse-engineering significant portions of the design.
Disastrous-Wall-6943@reddit
Bro, this was done 15 years ago...
Disastrous-Wall-6943@reddit
I don't know, I never got a good look at it when I was working there, just going by what my coworkers said.
I know there was a big push to have them all destroyed/ unusable for parts because Iran was using stored examples to keep their fleet flying.
Dragon6172@reddit
Ya. You'd have to get one of the gate guard or museum copies. Probably easier to buy one from Iran
lordtema@reddit
All museum ones have their wing spar cut to my knowledge.
fredly594632@reddit
That's generally true for any aircraft donated by the DoD to a museum.
Terrh@reddit
since when? I've never, evert seen one with a cut wing. Even the F14 I've seen in a museum did not have cut spars.
GuaranteeUnhappy3342@reddit
(New spar? Grumman still has the plans and jigs? Wait…no Grumman!
Maybe Iran can help???
Dragon6172@reddit
Yup. OP mentions that problem in the post.
Great_Specialist_267@reddit
The Iranian ones are now confetti.
Late-Mathematician55@reddit
A couple years from now it will be revealed that the Iranian fleet is intact, and the USAF blew up decoys
optionalregression@reddit
Cardboard ayatollahs and cardboard airforce.
TangoRed1@reddit
Lol a Warthunder Player who's a General said...
Fakour?! NOPE! With extreme prejudice.
under_psychoanalyzer@reddit
😭
fumar@reddit
Uhhh the Iranian ones are all rapidly disassembled.
Kjartanski@reddit
All thanks to a New york convicted rapist and a Philly colonizer
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designzguy@reddit
^Moron…..
Sixguns1977@reddit
There's one in every thread.
Terminal_Phase@reddit
Pretty sure all of Iran’s have been destroyed at this point
Dragon6172@reddit
More than likely
SexyWampa@reddit
There's a row of them at Davis Monthan in the boneyard.
champ2633@reddit
There's one right down the road from me next to the local airport in my small town!
YMBFKM@reddit
If all the F-14s were rendered unflyable 10+ years ago, was the one in Top Gun Maverick created by CGI? Leftover footage from the first Top Gun? Stock footage? Created in a model shop?
Martylouie@reddit
A miracle....
Particular_Reality19@reddit
eBay
Lubafteacup@reddit
Two serious questions: 1) Are there ANY flying?
2) What was the idea of the moveable wings?
adrey22@reddit
I bet my 11 year old could 3D print a working tomcat in two weeks.
ProfessionalOk4300@reddit
They cut the wing boxes on the Tomcats after they were retired, so they'd need to retool factories and reproduce the entire mechanism for each airframe.
It's not worth it, especially since it's easier to keep cranking out brand new fighters.
purdueaaron@reddit
Multiple acts of God and Congress to get the existing de-milled aircraft airborne again.
I’m an engineer at an Aerospace Defense Contractor and the costs to tool up a manufacturer to make new wing spars would be significant. It isn’t about making the thing, but making the “machine” that makes the thing. MAYBE if you were making a new spar for a one off replacement under all kinds of experimental certifications you MIGHT be able to get away with it for less than all the money.
RonPossible@reddit
Where I worked, we mostly quit making spar-like structure by tooling and assembly, and started just hogging the whole thing out of a solid billet of aluminum. At one point, we were making 747-200 upper deck floor beam replacements that way. However, we had the original mylar plans to start from. And the loads data.
Given the ability to 3D scan the old part with precision, I could make a good estimate on the load-bearing capabilities of the part. Since we're not worried about getting every ounce of weight, and not pulling 7.5g, I could probably show the replacement good to the FAA's satisfaction.
I'd volunteer to do the engineering just to see a Tomcat fly again. The big block of aluminum would be pricy, along with the machining, but cheaper than reproducing the original tooling.
PhilRubdiez@reddit
They used titanium
RonPossible@reddit
Expensive, but you can also also machine Ti. There's also 60 years of metallurgy, manufacturing, and structural analysis development between now and when it was designed, too.
It's all about flight limits. If you accept a lower gee limit, and don't plan on trapping on a carrier at max landing weight, you can probably get away with aluminum. It's not like you're going to be packing six Phoenixs anyway.
The choice of Ti might also be a fatigue thing, rather than strength.
Now, if NG would share the loads data, that'd be even better.
Kermit_the_hog@reddit
My understanding was the wing spar was made by sintering powdered metal under tremendous pressure into a part that could otherwise not be manufactured. I think you’d need to rebuild the specific manufacturing equipment to make another one.
barkingcat@reddit
It has also been 35 years since then. I wouldn't be surprised if the average modern industrial sintering / metal fab in China has the ability to reach the pressures and temperatures needed. That's like stuff used to make high-end bike parts these days.
Fabrication tech these days has advanced lightyears comparatively. The secret sauce of what percentages of each component would still be held secret, but it's not rocket science (to sinter stuff) these days. I bet there are even industrial metal 3d printer that can do it these days. I'm not refering to household printers, but the industrial ones being used to 3d print and sinter rocket engines today.
adamrac51395@reddit
The wing box is made out of Titanium that we managed to get out of the USSR with a lot of subterfuge. It is basically unobtainium. They did say that they cut the wing box to prevent spare parts getting g to Iran.
aerohk@reddit
The most viable way is a regime change in Iran. One that would allow US entities to purchase whatever parts they have left from their now destroyed F-14 fleet to rebuild an air-worthy sample.
Kevlaars@reddit
All the money in the world +$2
Cake-Over@reddit
When I was 12 I build a model of the F-14 in the first photo.
Bad_Karma19@reddit
Might be better off building a new one from a clean sheet design.
forkedquality@reddit
It doesn't take much more than an angle grinder to make sure that it would be cheaper to build an aircraft from scratch than to repair the old one.
And here's what they cut: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/296866952_The_greatest_story_never_told_EB_welding_on_the_F-14
Mustangfast85@reddit
So if no one but Iran flies them, why don’t they simply dismantle and recycle them? It’s not like we will be selling Iran parts
Raptorwolf98@reddit
Long-term storage is almost always less expensive than dismantling, and the amount of resources you can recover from attempting to “recycle” aircraft components is dwarfed by what you have to invest to do so.
PhilRubdiez@reddit
Iran will just use shell companies to buy them, or worse, could use force to take them. If you (as a nation) had some F-22s (your most capable aircraft with your most advanced sensors) lying around, but without parts, wouldn’t you try everything to get it back to airworthy?
m00ph@reddit
You buy Iranian ones and what you can get in the USA to get a flying one. Because that part might still be good.
mkosmo@reddit
Buying a blown up carcass doesn’t help make one flyable.
m00ph@reddit
Yeah, but you might get a usable wing box.
cjc080911@reddit
Damn! The degree of precision even back then amazes!
barkingcat@reddit
worth more for the scrap metal than as flying planes.
Metallifan33@reddit
Tom Cruise. Or at least Tony Scott.
Awkward_Can_1516@reddit
Money. Piles of money.
4th_line_scrub@reddit
Money and lots of it.
2beatenup@reddit
$$$$$$$$$$$$….$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&
oldbrowncouch@reddit
Today at the USS Hornet museum in Alameda they moved their F-14A into the elevator with the nose cone off to fit.
Disastrous_Ad_5574@reddit
Money.
slogive1@reddit
They were all cut of years ago to avoid parts being sold to Iran.
Deadpool2015@reddit
Not true, there are three As, two Bs, and three Cs all stored at AMARC as seen in the photos.
slogive1@reddit
From what I read they were either cut up or donated to museums. So why there's a conflict idk.
Deadpool2015@reddit
Nearly all were. They’ve held onto this small handful for some reason.
slogive1@reddit
Thanks for the info.
MeatResident2697@reddit
Tom Cruise.
NeoDemocedes@reddit
Get Tom Cruise covered in baby oil with a ghetto blaster on his sholder playing the Top Gun Anthem. Any Tomcat in the area will self-assemble.
brycepunk1@reddit
I was really hoping this answer was not posted yet so I could get credit. Nice :)
lmflex@reddit
If there was anyone with enough money and aircraft experience to do this, he probably would already have one.
Christopger@reddit
Order one from China.
SexyWampa@reddit
God damn that livery in the first photo is sexy as fuck.
WinkleDinkle87@reddit
Is there any actual evidence that the wing spars were cut on any of these aircraft? It always gets stated as a fact but I’ve never actually seen any evidence that this was done, especially not to ALL of the airframes. It just seems like a perpetuated myth.
Entire_Quiet_4180@reddit
Three technicians, about 8 handles of booze, access to scrap the other ones, two acts of god, and one very trusting pilot.
Deadpool2015@reddit
It’s funny you bring this up.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/4161/text/is
SupermouseDeadmouse@reddit
As always, a couple of bribable republicans senators.
RubberDuckyRider@reddit
Good try, Iran.
croigi@reddit
1 maverick
LaughingGravy13@reddit
Just to get it flying? Possibly not too much, as long as you have an unlimited number of hangar queens to donate parts. But not all parts are fully, or even partially, interchangeable. If new parts have to be made, realize that the tooling no longer exists.
Do you want to bring it up to current avionics standards? Bring your team of engineers.
Weekly_Profession_15@reddit
10 million?…
SnooCamera@reddit
From Google Earth, taken this month. I only see 4 of them.
Deadpool2015@reddit
There are eight in there total.
SnooCamera@reddit
It was 2011 when I see what appears to be more of them, and they were gone by 2013.
multic94@reddit
You cant even buy one if you wanted to. They arent even selling these to other nations even just for spare parts. You sure arent getting one.
Sinistersloth@reddit
An entire military-industrial complex
TotallyNotAnotherFED@reddit
The parts are out of production and the wing boxes/actuators were indeed chopped on purpose to prevent any potential use of them against the US and it's allies. The remaining Tomcats that you see are show pieces incapable of performing any operations. The amount of money and the material costs in addition to the labor required that it'd take to either restore, or reproduce, a fleet of Tomcats of any size wouldn't be justifiable. Iran, iirc, has a few that they've cobbled together some parts for but ultimately they're on borrowed time as is.
The F-14 was an amazing bird despite being a hangar queen and her time has passed. No one's ever gonna get these beauties in the skies again
Mysterious_Basil2818@reddit
There has been no sales campaign for the F-35C. It’s the U.S. exclusive model.
lordtema@reddit
It's not a US exclusive model but given that the only other country buying F-35s operating carriers opted for a non-CATOBAR equipped carrier and instead opted for the F-35B, there just isn't any other countries that would have use for it's capabilities over a A or B model.
Kardinal@reddit
Or alternatively, the only other CATOBAR operator will never buy foreign planes.
Same substance different phrasing. Either way, nobody else will operate the 35C.
McFestus@reddit
There are three CATOBAR operators.
lordtema@reddit
I was going to suggest that maybe India could be a potential future customer but given how they have no CATOBAR carriers and the one they are planning isn't even being built yet i think that's a significant long shot.
rickadandoo@reddit
The wing boxes being chopped is a false claim that has been debunked
TotallyNotAnotherFED@reddit
Source? Haven't seen anything that's confirmed that before
GuaranteeUnhappy3342@reddit
Some greedy ass…. got caught selling parts to Iran.
jjamesr539@reddit
They’re not stored, they’re decommissioned. Storage means they can be brought back. Decommissioned means that’s intentionally be made impossible. Most have structural components cut or weakened anyway so they’ll never fly again, but they’re missing the majority of their systems and engines.
not_a_cumguzzler@reddit
Tom Cruise, Top Gun 3
BlackDiamondDee@reddit
Pete "Maverick" Mitchell
Quick_Dark244@reddit
flightwatcher45@reddit
Money, lots of money, not insane tho.
inspctrshabangabang@reddit
Tom Cruise could get one of those bad boys going in about two minutes.
3417-@reddit
Significant AUs.
R-Cursedcomentes@reddit
New F-14A/Bs in the 80s was around $11.5 million USD, adjusted today would be around $46 million. The whole programme costed about $6.4 billion. I’d estimate restoring one F-14A/B to flying condition would cost around $10 million+, that would include the making of specialized toolings, and upgrades to the avionics to modern FAA standards. Ways to make it cheaper would be to make the wings fixed in place, replace the radar with a ballast, and optimize or replace the engines with newer and more efficient engines.
baughbl@reddit
As someone who tried to price an EB welded Ti part before... I believe you are underestimating the price.
DavieStBaconStan@reddit
Not a shiny new toy for the USAF, therefore worthless.
DavieStBaconStan@reddit
Jolly Rogers!
BOMMOB@reddit
Just found this.
There is a YouTube video and a FB page that provides more info.
As of April 2026, reports suggest a "Department of Aviation Heritage" aims to restore a small fleet of F-14 Tomcats for a nationwide air show display team, rather than a military return to service. The project seeks to make four airframes (A and D models) airworthy for public appearance by 2027.
Project Scope: This is a, likely civilian or privately-funded, preservation project aimed at returning two F-14A models from storage at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base and two F-14Ds from museum collections to flight. Purpose: The initiative is to preserve naval aviation history and inspire future aviators, not to bring the jet back into combat service.
Feasibility Challenges: The primary reason the US Navy didn't keep the F-14 is that the majority of US F-14s had their wings cut to prevent parts from reaching Iran, and the specialized welding equipment to fix them is gone, which poses a significant hurdle for this restoration effort.
Previous Efforts: For years, various groups have discussed returning the F-14 to flight, but those efforts generally focused on restoring single aircraft for museum displays, such as the efforts by the Cradle of Aviation Museum or Valiant Air Command,
Moose135A@reddit
If I remember correctly, that report about the supposed Department of Aviation Heritage was published on April 1. Make of that what you will…
LetsGoNYR@reddit
I want to believe but Facebook as a source probably means it’s AI posting to get boomers to click through
Bill-T-O-Double-P@reddit
I’d think it became way more realistic after the last Iranian F-14s were supposedly bombed in the war. Now that there’s no “risk” of it falling into their hands, you’d think it would be legal to manufacture new parts.
TaskForceCausality@reddit
I wouldn’t be surprised if reactivating an SR-71 was actually cheaper. Those weren’t launched and slammed back onto ships thousands and thousands of times, nor were they stored in ocean saltwater so everything exposed to the elements corroded in record time. The legendary Captain Snodgrass himself shelved the idea of a privately operated F-14 back in the day.
Even if the legal obstacles were cleared, an F-14 can burn $25k of jet fuel in 20 minutes. You don’t need an MBA to realize operating, storing, certifying, and maintaining two F-14s (two is one and one is none!) is a money bleeding operation the airshow circuit couldn’t hope to fund.
Evilbred@reddit
Why would they?
They're not going to be much use in modern combat.
mandalorian_guy@reddit
In theory a large body missile truck with a huge AESA slinging RIM-174s has a lot of potential.
Evilbred@reddit
They already have the F-15 that fills that function without the complexity and political risk of the F-14.
MikeyPlayz_YTXD@reddit
The F-15s cannot use the Aim-174B and to my knowledge they AESA it has doesn’t have enough range to use the AIM-174B to its fullest. Even the F-14D and its radar that was retired in 2006 has almost double the range of the Aim-174B.
Evilbred@reddit
Sure, but the radar on the modern F-15s is miles better than what was on the F-14 in it's last iteration.
QuaintAlex126@reddit
A lot of people seem to underestimate the power of the absolute cancer beam that is the AWG-9/APG-71 lol. Guess that’s what happens when you have a comically large radar dish.
MikeyPlayz_YTXD@reddit
Yup. To put it in perspective, the radar could see from around Washington DC to Toronto best case scenario and if we were still allies with Iran and gave them the F-14D, they could’ve scanned their airspace, Iraqs airspace, and part of Israel’s airspace at once with 2 F-14Ds from Tehran. Crazyness. 740 kilometers of range.
So_HauserAspen@reddit
People get stuck in the past. We already have a multi-trillion dollar jet program that will never get out of the red. Unless there's an actual war against a G8 country, there will never be modern combat where they would be useful.
chunt75@reddit
With enough operating thetans anything is possible
Mean-Internal-745@reddit
Most of the frames are beyond their fatigue service life. They cannot be repaired.
ConstructionLong3788@reddit
Give me and the boys a weekend and a couple cases.
Kittydraggon@reddit
its genuinely sad to see my favorite fighter jets just collecting dust in a boneyard
Confident-Court2171@reddit
Tom Cruise and a $400m Studio budget.
StanFitch@reddit
Tom Cruise…
clayton-berg42@reddit
The power of xenu.
No_Meringue_1769@reddit
About a month ago when the IAF released footage of them hitting the "alleged" last tomcats in Iran, Ward Carroll (former RIO) said on his channel there was some effort in back channels with Scott Kelly (former F-14 pilot and man who holds the record for time in space) to obtain a tomcat from Iran with the goal of getting on the airshow circuit. Apparently funding was pretty well set for it. Certainly not happening now 😭. I’m sure we’ve all seen the footage of the F4 and MiG 29 over Iran this week, there’s still hope
1977_AMC_Pacer_wagon@reddit
I went though the boneyard when one of my f-16s got BRAC’d around 2009 and it wasn’t just cutting wings, they were actively shredding the entire aircraft with industrial equipment. Shedding to nothingness. The AMARG guy said they had to do it to every one of them.
It was traumatic to witness.
SirLoremIpsum@reddit
The production line to build another one from scratch.
They won't sell them anyway tbh. That's always gonna be a no no.
I don't doubt if a Billionaire said "this is my passion project, I hired a John Lockheed and Bob Martin to head up this project w blank slate" that you could do it.
The question of whether or not it would be more viable to dig up an old, "cut the wing spars" or to build one brand new I think is probably the question you'd need to answer first.
And viable both economically and mechanically is two parts of that to be discussed.
CounterSimple3771@reddit
Soon to be accompanied by many A-10s. Anyone that says the A-10s day has passed is shortsighted. The only reason we aren't building more is political catch-phrases like "tooling and startup costs" which is always bullshit compared to the R&D costs of the next program ... Does anyone really believe that the operating costs of F-14s, big picture, is MORE than implementing the -35B, C variants?? By the way, tooling and startup costs apply to EVEN THE replacement aircraft. Drone style A-10s could repurpose so much weight in armor and structure without the pilot... And it would get the gun to the fight.
I know this is about F-14s but I see it with all aircraft. They could start with the original design and re-imagine it with new tech.
I realize the F-35 has far superior capabilities but do you know they desperately need and don't have? Missile trucks. Quarterbacks are useless without the ball.
HNL2BOS@reddit
I actually had thought all the F-14's not in museums has been buried?
MaxNerd115@reddit
https://youtu.be/oFBcyM-MJqM?si=mBgyDzy34cyacgsI
BRUNO358@reddit
Even if they were demilitarized it would still cost an arm and a leg and I haven't even started on the amount of red tape you'd have to go through if you had the financial means.
Im_scared_of_my_wife@reddit
From a current logistics perspective…many airframes currently have an obsolescence and parts sourcing issue as vendor no longer make the items. You would have to re-establish new sourcing for this bird which is already hard for current aircraft
ReturnOfTheSaint14@reddit
The F-14 was the most expensive USN aircraft in service,in terms of costs of service. It was the most expensive in the 80s, the most expensive in the later 90s and the most expensive in 2006. So this is more than enough proof that it would be stupid expensive to make a boned F-14 to fly again,let alone make it able to fly consistently more than once.
One-Cauliflower-8770@reddit
Probably missing all avionics and engines.
5043090@reddit
Money.
MaxNerd115@reddit
I forget where but supposedly theres some aviation history/museum group in the US thats planning to restore a few F-14's to flying condition for airshows. Im still trying to find the source from where I heard this.
BorderPrevious2149@reddit
Looks like the tail insignia of VF-41 Black Aces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1981)
Unlucky-Ant-9741@reddit
F-14 Tomcats WERE flying, then America sanctioned and blew them up.
Remarkable_Judge_861@reddit
Money
chrontab@reddit
wookie616@reddit
Who do I talk to about putting one of those in my backyard
JodaMythed@reddit
You'd need to find the right keys for a start.
Alive_Load_1478@reddit
Fuck Dick Cheney
613Flyer@reddit
An F14 took 30-60 man hours of maintenance to make it fly 1 hour. Thats a ton of cost just to operate it when it was flying.
Taking into account engine costs 500k, licences, parts etc. Ai estimated it would take 50-100 million to make one F-14 flight worthy again.
mrfluffy002@reddit
I nominate NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman to get one going again either for his personal fleet or NASA.
hgtcgbhjnh@reddit
Money, it'd take money.
bherman13@reddit
Nice try, Iran!
Sorry to say, but the Tomcat is over. It would likely be cheaper to buy a modern F-15 or an F/A-18 (which replaced the Tomcat) than to make a boneyard F-14 airworthy again.
kooleynestoe@reddit
Y’all act like it was retired 30 years ago.
TheCzechyChan@reddit
It would probably cost more to make one flyable then to build a new one from scratch based on the original blueprints.
Apprehensive-Eye3263@reddit
Aren't most crippled
RedactedCallSign@reddit
Futuristic Metal 3D printing ~~techniques~~ magic to make replacement parts. And a small team of aerospace engineers to re-learn/re-discover how it all works. Then you’d need experienced maintainers to re-learn. There’s a lot of practical knowledge likely not written down, or lost to time. The OG engineers are likely long passed.
It would essentially have to be a couple hundred million dollar operation, and would likely require Congressional approval.
I haven’t even mentioned modifications for modern aviation safety standards, additional navigation, radios, and probably a total replacement of the flight computer.
So like a weekend?
QuaintAlex126@reddit
A couple acts of God or a comical amount of money.
Or both.
The remaining F-14s you see are just hulks with their insides gutted. All sensitive components (so basically everything) were destroyed to prevent Iran from getting their hands on spare parts.
Retired USN Cmdr and F-14 RIO Ward Carroll’s channel is a great resource on anything F-14 related. He has a couple videos on the retirement and fate of the last F-14s. Highly recommend to check him out if you haven’t.
Antique-Kitchen-1896@reddit
Define flight?
A large explosion under it could make it fly again, one time.
I_LAUGH_AT_TYRANNY@reddit
I've played enough Microsoft Flight Simulator X
I want one because i believe i could fly it
How do i get on the purchaser's list
Notme20659@reddit
Depends on the preservation level
discreetjoe2@reddit
It would likely be cheaper and easier to build one from scratch. The few that remain in the boneyard have been thoroughly gutted to prevent them from ever being functional.
SnooCamera@reddit
I took this in 1996, so I doubt they are still there. It is 'pricy' to keep them in storage. They 'charge' the military component to store them.
Terminal_Phase@reddit
Most of these photos are old and those airframes have been shredded at this point.
Any remaining F-14s on display have been gutted to remove any potentially useful replacement parts, and had the wing spars cut to render them permanently unflyable.
This was done to prevent Iran from ever being able to obtain replacement parts for their aging F-14 fleet from stored or displayed airframes. Nobody thinks Iran is going to sneak in Tom Cruise and fly away an entire airframe. But it’s pretty plausible that they could get into a boneyard pretty easily and get their hands on parts of the airframes were just stored. The U.S. refused to let that happen. The U.S. government isn’t romantic about airplanes like we are. So they were destroyed.
Although, there’s been reports that all of Iran’s remaining F-14s may have been destroyed at this point.
UnusAmor@reddit
I remember walking around these beautiful birds every day in the hanger bay of the ENTERPRISE back in the 90s. Heartbreaking to see them go.
SnooCamera@reddit
Trump selling them to Iran as part of the rebuilding package and for rights to Trump Tower Tehran (TTT)
AlatreonisAwesome@reddit
Eating the rest of the Tomcats in storage would be my guess.
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berfles@reddit
Makes me sad. There's one of these with that exact livery sitting at a Verteran's post near my house that I just found out existed after living here 10 years... I went there last year and just sat and enjoyed the view. Truly an amazing aircraft, and sad that they're no more.
ickysock@reddit
I believe they made a documentary on this a few years ago, was called something like Maverick? two guys get an old tomcat up in the air while getting shot at, crazy stuff
Elegant-Current232@reddit
A miracle.
ElSquibbonator@reddit
It's impossible. They made sure all the parts making these planes flyable were destroyed, because the only other country with F-14s was Iran, and they didn't want any F-14 parts making it into Iran's hands.
moving0target@reddit
Pentagon money.
Brainchild110@reddit
An act of Congress.
I am deadly serious.
mactical@reddit
It would take money, a lot of money.
msmith7871@reddit
Not positive but while I was in the military I heard most of the aircraft are still air worthy that there are just a few things to put on them like jet engines and the military can put them back into service if needed. That's why the cockpit are covered. Also heard that there are armed people roaming around but like I said I am not positive USN E-4 1991
msmith7871@reddit
I forgot to add the light Grey color is a coating to keep the sun from damaging them while they sit.......
thatswhathemoneysfor@reddit
Always have loved the tomcats. Growing up a ton of my neighbors piloted them
bubblemania2020@reddit
Let it go guys, go watch another run of Top Gun or TG2!
CapitanShinyPants@reddit
Act of God.
MtalGhst@reddit
Now that the Iranian F-14s are supposedly gone, maybe it's time to bring some back for the airshow circuit? Iconic aircraft that's had an incredible cultural impact like that should have its time in the sun.
Morganrow@reddit
Tom Cruise and a couple gallons of gas
quackquack54321@reddit
Money