From Diesel to Elektric: Ethiopia's bold bet on EVs
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R32hunter@reddit
Cool and I'm not trynna insult you or say that the fuel monopolies are good or something but ehh, if you think EVs are gonna save the world I feel bad for you because that's not the case. I used to think the same
Oh uh also, cars themselves are literally not even the worst. We got way bigger fish to fry. Cars are really just the most visible and easy target. That's it.
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
Yes, EVs are saving the world. So are heatpumps, solar panels and wind turbines.
They are all part of it.
Literally over 100,000 people die every year due to fine particle, nitrogendioxide, and ozone.
Because we are burning oil, coal, and gas
R32hunter@reddit
And cars aren't the only things that use fossil fuels
You forgot factories
And mining
They're way worse
And have you looked into lithium mining?
EVs only sound perfect on paper and on surface, but once you actually dive deep, you'd see they're a bit better than ICE but not by much. They still pollute the world indirectly
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
I actually dove into it deeply. They whole production chain.
Turns out they are even better than originally thought.
Fun fact, EVs can also be used for mining and construction and they work even better than diesel equipment
R32hunter@reddit
What about airplanes
They pollute a lot
Even if mining equipment is electrified (I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon on a global scale...), what about aviation
aaffpp@reddit
There is a huge push to introduce pure electric and hybrid engines in aviation https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/service/electric-aircraft/ and https://dewesoft.com/blog/evtol-guide and https://www.geaerospace.com/news/press-releases/ge-aerospace-successfully-demonstrates-narrowbody-hybrid-electric-engine-system
aaffpp@reddit
Same with mining https://www.epiroc.com/en-ca/products/loaders-and-trucks/electric-trucks and https://www.mining.sandvik/en/products/technology/electrification/ and https://www.komatsu.com/en-us/products/equipment/trucks/electric-drive-mining-trucks
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
Airplanes don't pollute a lot.
Sure an issue thats need to be solved, but there are more important things to worry about.
I suggest a total ban of domestic flights which trains can't cover in 6h or less for starters. In the future maybe hydrogen derivates but they are too expensive right now for how little impact aviation has
R32hunter@reddit
Fine bro, you win
But aviation does pollute a lot
What are you even on
Bonerchill@reddit
There are local downsides to hydroelectric power that affect many generations.
Desilting a river to restore flows is incredibly expensive. A lack of regulation for logging upstream of dams increases silt load.
Droughts reduce river flows.
Just because a river exists doesn’t mean it should be dammed.
Previous_Platform718@reddit
There are trade-offs to everything. There is no such thing as a Free Lunch as they say.
There is not one power generation technology that doesn't have some kind of associated environmental issue.
Bonerchill@reddit
True, but panels in barren fields are far kinder to the underlying soil than a dam is to its river.
aaffpp@reddit
Tell this to Canadian Beavers.
Bonerchill@reddit
Beaver dams are permeable and malleable, changing with the perceptions of animals dependent on the river. They have been a natural part of the riverine ecosystem for millennia.
There are no beavers in Africa. The Blue Nile provides huge amounts of fertile sediment, sediment that is limited by dams. The Nile Delta was settled due to its fertile soil.
I implore those who disagree with me to learn more about Ethiopian water policy and politics.
DaggumTarHeels@reddit
EV's are undoubtedly the future. I've recently bought one and am surprised to say that I won't be going back to a gas car or even a hybrid for my DD. Straight up, I like the EV that much more.
There's a lot of people who've dedicated their personality to either a political ideology or a powertrain of choice.
That's a mistake. Don't listen to a cable news host/meme/youtuber/podcaster/whatever. Just go try one. Most dealers will lend you one for a weekend if you're serious about it.
KuracPalac1230@reddit
Very risky, we can see EV is not getting traction lately, as it was blooming inovation, future is not bright for EV's.
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
Its literally the only future for cars. What are you talking about?
KuracPalac1230@reddit
And ps. just because uninformed redditors downvoted me doesnt mean im wrong
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
You are wrong tho.
KuracPalac1230@reddit
Most manufactors are planing to stop production of EV's in few years. Market is overflowed with chinese cheap EV and no matter the tariff cost its just not worth for car companies to compete. Future if european car giants are hybrids, hydrogen and gasoline.
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
This is the dumbest comment I read all day and I just spend 20 minutes debunking lies about the viability of h2 tech
KuracPalac1230@reddit
Argument is not about h2 its about EV downfall
R32hunter@reddit
Hard disagree over only. It is the future, not the only future. FCEVs are also very good. Hybrids are also likely gonna stay for a while
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
Nobody can afford FCEVs. They are already a dead tech. Then they talked avout FC semi trucks. Also dead already since everyone is going battery electric
Hybrids burn fossil fuels
R32hunter@reddit
We just don't have the infrastructure. But FCEVs are awesome. They're just new and it's likely they can get big if the infrastructure is there. In fact if the hydrogen is sourced clean (green hydrogen) it is more eco friendly than EVs.
And FCEVs refill as quick as gas cars
Yeah some EVs are able to do that now and guess what? There are already concerns about longevity. It has already been very well documented and researched how fast charging kills phones sooner. And it's the same case for EVs. It's also worth noting it'd
You should never put all your eggs in one basket
Diversifying is the smart move
Believe me, EVs aren't as perfect as you think they are. Nothing is perfect.
And btw, not trynna judge you or something and I mean nothing bad, but if you love electric cars so much (which is fine) and hate gas, why do you still have not just, one but 2 gas cars? First of all, having more than 1 car is not very environmentally friendly in the first place. If we're being real, cars in general including EVs are very inefficient if you're just commuting or shit (usually done alone) because cars take up a lot more space, even small cars take more space than motorbikes. Motorbikes are far more efficient both on fuel and also in space.
Hell, forget the escape, you have an S4. That's a freaking performance car my guy.
Actually, I'm not criticizing or hating on you if you think I am. I actually appreciate and admire that you have older cars (the S4 is especially a pretty nice pick btw) because no matter what, keeping an old thing Alive will always and always be better than buying something new. And this applies to all domains including electronics, cars etc but especially to cars. So that's good
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
A lot of misinformation in here to unpack.
I'm on my phone so I keep myself short.
They are old. H2 tech is 200 years old. Modern h2 tech is 50 years old. Hydrogen cars were prototype over 20 years ago and put back on the shelf because they are awful.
Thats a big IF. H2 infrastructure will never be build because its too expensive and you wont find investors. E.g. a single charge port for EVs cost 2000 dollars. A single h2 nozzle cost 1,500,000 dollars
Not a fact. Green hydrogen only exist in power point presentations. We literally do not have the resources or money or energy to build electrolysis out in the scale that would be required. H2 also needs at minimum 3x the electricity than battery EVs.the platinum and iridium mining required also mostly exist in russia which is sanctioned.
Not quite true. While the refilling takes 5 minutes, the station can only do one car every 15 minutes due to pressure loss
No
No, high stare of charge and high temps kills batteries. Phones donr have active cooling like cars and cars also are charge limited to 80-90% in 98% of the cases. You only do 100% charges if you go on a trup, but not for your daily commut. My EV was charged to 100% only once in 6 months for about 45 minutes before my father drove it for his vacation trip
LFP batteries last forever. Mercedes gives 1.2 million km warranty on their semi trucks eActros 600
We only had one car technology for over 100 years. Combustion engine. We also have only 1 phone tech. Nobody suggest gasoline run phones because what if batteries suddenly stop working? Its just FUD
Its already enough that they are drastically better than gasoline and diesel cars, which literally kill millions of people from air pollution alone. Not counting oil wars, landscape destruction and climate gas
I don't think we should surrender our wealth or status. I think we should force our government to make reasonable decisions. My choice doesnt matter. The choices or 8bn people however do. If we would ban new gas heaters, phase out coal power plants, tax meat appropriately, and roll out evs on a good pace, we would have solved 80% of our problems already.
I live in the US so EVs aren't viable. I had an EV and a bicycle in germany. Here in the US i have an old shitbox escape for 1200 dollars which i need for work because I work on hydraulics and in dust so im extremely dirty and cannot commute in a nice car. The s4 is just a nice car. Nothing fancy. Definitely not performance. If I were to go back to germany I would most certainly get an EV. Not to save the world, but because EVs are just better vehicles.
I also have a bicycle in the US. I bought it new the first week I moved here. Biggest mistake of my life.
Fucking bicycle infrastructure is non existing. Can't even drive to work with it without risking my life. No bike lanes, no bike traffic lights, no priority lanes, not even cycleble sidewalks. Its horrible
R32hunter@reddit
Yes we need better bike infra for sure
Wdym s4 isn't a performance car? It's no supercar but the 0-60 is just 5.1-5.6 seconds, which is still pretty respectable. The S4 is definitely a sports car. It's not as hardcore as modern RS cars but it is still performance nonetheless. But fine, our standards can be different this is more subjective. It is a fact that it's faster than most of regular traffic, tho
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
I dont care about the s4.
What i care about is that the oil lobby has successfully brainwashed you into thinking h2 os viable.
Its a red herring to slow down electrification
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tejanaqkilica@reddit
Good on Ethiopia on saving the planet and tackling the greatest threat humanity has ever faced head on. Shame other countries don't care about saving the planet.
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
Gonna quote myself here:
tejanaqkilica@reddit
Good for you, but that's not the reason why other countries aren't following Ethiopia's example.
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
Its literally it. The fossil fuel lobby is controlling the german and US government right now. This is not a conspiracy. They literally broadcast the fact that they work for the fossil fuel industry.
bindermichi@reddit
I don‘t think it‘s bold. It‘s economically sound.
If you have to import all fossil fuel you are consuming, and can produce all your electricity without imports banning fossil fuel vehicles is very much a no-brainer decision.
durrtyurr@reddit
They also have a secondary problem in that they're landlocked. They aren't just beholden to the countries producing the crude/refined oil products they import, they're also beholden to the countries that they have to trans-ship oil through for over 100 million Ethiopians, and the options range from bad to terrible on that front (Somalia, Djibouti, and Eritrea).
JB_UK@reddit
Also, solar power is very easy and cheap to install:
https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-first-evidence-of-a-take-off-in-solar-in-africa/
It’s also ideal for Africa because of lot of the cost is installation labour, which is cheaper in poorer countries. For gasoline there’s no such adjustment, it’s all up front cost that has to be paid to the external company or country selling the petroleum.
bindermichi@reddit
All of which make the decision even easier
PristineReputation@reddit
If needed you could always go back to oil to produce power for the electric buses. You can't use the clean hydro power for the old diesel buses.
V-Twin-broski@reddit
My god this sub has become China astroturfing playground
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
I'm not astroturfing from China. You can check my profile. The channel reporting on it is german.
This video is about Ethiopia declaring war on hydrocarbons not about China selling a few car parts to Africa.
V-Twin-broski@reddit
Africa is basically owned by China, as they lend money that cannot be given back by the country and they progressively take control of the infrastructure.
Thus, it's quite easy to see why Ethiopia is running these new regulations that massively favour Chinese automakers, even without the needed EV infrastructure.
aaffpp@reddit
So the same game the West played.
Activehannes@reddit (OP)
They dont have the needed gasoline infrastructure either and no domestic oil industry.
So either they are owned by the west for oil or owned by the east for electric vehicles
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
I don’t think Ethiopia and other Africa world not welcome European EVs, they just can’t afford it.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Most people in there still can’t buy new cars anyway, they buy used cars in most and buy Chinese used cars most.
Consider Ethiopia and whole Africa world have good relationship with China, going full EV isn’t impossible.
adambrine759@reddit
Chinese cars are everywhere now in North Africa.
Im from Morocco. It used to be an ocean of Dacia and Renault for the affordable brands and german cars for for the high end market. Now its all Chinese and it happened overnight.
Just 3 years ago BYD dealer opened next to me and I said to my friend no way in hell they succeed in Morocco. People love signing half their income to get into an a class or 1 series for the sake of the badge. Well i was wrong. In 3 years time i see more Chinese brands than any other car. And they succeeded in convincing Moroccans to trust hybrids when even Toyota struggled
MLPorsche@reddit
the biggest advantage is that it lessens the power of the petrodollar and given how many conflicts have been created for the maintenance of the petrodollar then this is only positive
ApprehensiveSize7662@reddit
It's not about the environment is about how mich these countries are having to spend on importing oil. There's a good graphic on this article for fuel imports.
EV adoption surges in developing nations, challenging oil demand narrative
K_R_A_K_E_N-540@reddit
Singurellist mort în arena White moscan suicide it's incredibly smart and I don't know why most countries haven't done this already. Seems crazy to me that you wanna make your country dependent on other countries production of fuel leaving you literally a hostage
aaffpp@reddit
They have huge solar potential for smaller cities. Getting taxis, motorcycles, rickshaws, and small trucks to go EV will clean up the cities...
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