It's time to leave if you start hating everything and everyone
Posted by Extra_Loquat_5599@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 102 comments
Moved to Germany for a better quality of life and career developement and lived there for about 8 years.
The first few years were a intense struggle but i still kinda liked it. Got a good job, nice appartment and even found some friends. When the situation started to cool down i started to slowly resent everything here.
And i mean everything ...
Took way too long to realize that i can just leave lol.
This is not a post to bash Germany, the country is all right. Just remember, if it doesn't fit, you don't have to stay.
AccountForDoingWORK@reddit
I’m in the U.K. (my third time living here lol) and I’m done. We moved to escape the US and the parts I love I really love, but the parts I don’t like are enough to make me start looking into other countries. I feel like I’ve given it a go as a child, a teenager, and as an adult, and it’s just not working out.
DollarPenguin@reddit
Like the other commenter I'm curious to know what your experience was, it's nice this subreddit isn't full of people denying people's personal experiences of a place, I think that drives me crazier than anything and increases the resentment tenfold.
1191100@reddit
The UK sucks to be fair (grew up there and was harassed out)
Economy-Reading-2811@reddit
Can you say what you dont love?
RadioDude1995@reddit
Yep! This was my experience too living in Canada. It’s a nice place and of course I did make some friends along the way, but the struggle to afford to rent even the most basic apartment after doing all of the right things to earn an advanced degree and get a good job really did me in. I just ended up feeling resentful, and tired of all the “Americans are stupid” rhetoric.
bananapancakesforone@reddit
Where did you move to and was it better than Canada?
RadioDude1995@reddit
I’m still there. Haven’t decided what I’ll do next just yet, but I’m open to a new adventure of any kind.
Professional-Hat148@reddit
I was in Alberta and moved to Portugal.
bananapancakesforone@reddit
Asking cause I left Canada and went to France 8 yrs ago and am in the same situation here in France as you in Canada... Starting to think about moving back.
AccountForDoingWORK@reddit
Where in Canada were you? That’s where we’re trying to get to (from Scotland)
RadioDude1995@reddit
I am in Vancouver. It’s a beautiful city, but I found a lot of the attitudes to be quite passive aggressive. Not to mention, very few people were open to making new friends and being social with a newcomer.
CuriousLands@reddit
The friends aspect seems to be common everywhere though. I think it's just that when you have a job and/or kids, it's harder for people to make the time and emotional space for new friends. People can be friendly and nice but hat doesn't mean they have the space in their life for real friendship. I found that back in Canada even in the city I was raised in, and it's the same here in Australia too (both urban and rural). I've heard people say the same about all kinds of countries.
taterfiend@reddit
I've found Canadians to be anti social and highly conservative. The reputation is for progressive politics, but the personalities are highly conservative.
ThrowRAdancingggk@reddit
Just wanted to chime in. I'm also in Canada (Ottawa). And I totally agree with your comment. I thought it would be easier to connect with people due to the global perspective here and the diversity but nope... It's been quite hard, there's absolutely no sense of community. Lately the random "run clubs" etc trying to make community vibes in town but low-key it seems so fake and forced 😭
CleverCrow_1919@reddit
I’m currently in the midst of all of that rn. It’s slowly breaking me. It’s exhausting. And always a little cold, even on nice sunny days. I miss warm weather.
Ok-Stress2326@reddit
Same, everyday I’m thinking more and more of why I have to deal with all this nonsense when I could just pack my bags move to somewhere that suits me better
Rosycheex@reddit
I left Canada and live coastally now, the weather is so much better year round 😭🙏
AdhesivenessShort728@reddit
I lived in Malawi for 23 years. I've been back in Canada for almost 2 years. I'm still feeling like a stranger here. Missing the warmth of African culture, the wilderness but not much else.
titianwasp@reddit
Funny…that’s how I am beginning to feel about the States.
Went to Target the other night.
Husband wanted snacks, and looking down the vast aisle filled with hundreds of brightly colored packages that said things like “chocolatey” rather than “chocolate” because of the recent deluge of cheap ingredients substitution… just felt disgusted and disheartened.
I don’t want to be somewhere anymore where retail sales shape the culture, and cutting quality to increase profit is normal.
I was an enthusiastic capitalist my whole life, but once capitalism began to erode the quality of life, I started to question its validity - at least the degree of capitalism we are living with here in the US.
Icy-Payment-4262@reddit
RECENT deluge? You must be fairly new still haha. The US was BUILT on the capitalistic diet 🙃
Th3LastBastion@reddit
Lol right? I grew up on Kraft macaroni, hot dogs, and Kool-aid. That was 40 years ago. I honestly feel like they've gotten better. At least now there's options to eat actual food. Before the bread aisle was nothing but yellow bags with clowns or white bags with bubbles.
titianwasp@reddit
I know…but they came for the snacks man. The SNACKS!
When you can’t rely on the cheese in Smart Food, and the chocolate and peanut butter in a Reese‘s peanut butter cup, your will to go on erodes.
I spent the last two weeks in the UK. Tropes aside, it’s a sad day when you’ve got an American saying that the food in England is far better than the food in the United States.
CuriousLands@reddit
They always had that with the snacks though. lol. Or at least, for a long time. My first visit to the US was in the mid-2000s, and I remember thinking the bread tasted like some kind of gross cake. Like it was noticeably sweet. And I mean, it's not like Canada is without its share of cheap junk food, so that's saying something lol.
ana444@reddit
First they came for the cheese and nobody said anything, then....
titianwasp@reddit
It’s funny ‘cause it’s true. 😞
snbdmliss@reddit
Tbf Germany LOVES processed foods Yes worse ingredients in the US, but only by a little bit
Fem-Picasso@reddit
What did you dislike and resent that made you want to leave Germany?
Capital-Rush-6058@reddit
some people can't leave though, for a million different reasons - because of personal circumstances, political situation in their country, or war. many people here seem to forget that. it's a very lucky position to have a home to return to
Emergency_Rooster664@reddit
Yes. But people then tend to romanticize other places. And then you realize maybe you didn’t have it so bad in the original place.
SmartAfternoon199@reddit
9 years in NYC and it's starting to creep in for me.. little things are becoming annoying. I'm hoping it passes.
Asleep_Cash_2333@reddit
Me in France right now
Lox_Bagel@reddit
Same
hudibrastic@reddit
Same happened to me in the Netherlands
At one point I couldn't even hear Dutch, so I got annoyed, I remember turning on my airpods up to not hear them speaking
Lox_Bagel@reddit
I am literally in the elevator and my music is already on
Schtaive@reddit
Sometimes when someone says something to me in Dutch, I just say "bless you" as if they sneezed and just carry on with my day.
Lox_Bagel@reddit
Unfortunately I do. I have a PhD to finish
ReallyTiredPony@reddit
Me in The Netherlands right now.
bruhbelacc@reddit
This whole subreddit in The Netherlands right now lol. I'm sometimes annoyed at the sheer amount of negativity because in my opinion, it should have a purpose. If I say "Taxes are too high/low", this has an easy solution. But complaining about all small things and the whole culture when being a foreigner just blows me away.
Infinite-Test4139@reddit
I lived 3,5 years in Ireland. It felt far away from everything and super rural and beautiful. Just like my hometown in Patagonia. Then i moved to Nl for 10 years. At First it was hard, but then i felt i was at the place to be…..and in the last 3 years i got bored of the weather, the people, the lifestyle….so i picked all my stuff and came to Lombardy in italy. People is humble and the lifestyle is down to earth. Will see how it goes
seyerkram@reddit
I lived there for 1.5 years. Then moved to Ireland. I’m about 2 years now and I fucking miss NL everyday. Everything is much more easy there even without me knowing Dutch
Top-Albatross7765@reddit
I'm interested to hear about your experience in Ireland. I'm Irish and have basically been gone since 2015 (to Germany). And I am planning to move to another country for my son's secondary school years, but I'll (touch wood) never, ever live in Ireland again. I have a lot of love for Ireland, but Jesus, the standard of living there is so unbelievably piss poor, from housing to healthcare to culture if I'm being honest, and I was a famous party lover in my day, but I'm really glad to be raising my son away from the drink culture.
seyerkram@reddit
I guess my general sentiment living here is the country feels like a small town. You have Dublin where everything is centered around where the majority of jobs, government offices, fun activities that are not drinking are. Of course I’m oversimplifying it but feels like it is behind other EU countries. Public transport is unreliable, housing is impossible in Dublin so you need a car if you live outside of it.
I gave it some time hoping it would grow on me but I feel like I’m still not there. It’s good if you want to have a quiet and peaceful life in the countryside. But you also need to have a high paying job to buy a house which are mostly in Dublin
Top-Albatross7765@reddit
Yeah, I get it, I lived in Dublin for 10 years before I left, it was the only place I could tolerate in Ireland after being abroad for several years. I come from rural Cork (near Kinsale) and I have no clue what it would be like to live there now, my guess is West Cork would have some appeal for someone who didn't want to live in a city, but still wanted some kind of cultural life.
Growling up, Ireland always felt isolated from the rest of the world/Europe too. It always felt like life was happening 'somewhere else', not least because we import so much of our tv programmes, music and films from the UK, Oz and the US. I moved to the UK at the age of 21 and I had kind of stars in my eyes that I lived somewhere 'important', which is kind of embarrassing! If I felt I needed to be closer to home, I would probably relocate to the UK, close enough to be over in an hour or so, but still with all the stuff I like about the UK. Have you thought of moving there? Is it too complicated now with Brexit?
Anyway, we'll either move to France or Norway, but probably France, in a couple of years. I really miss the sea! Lol. So Irish. The UK is also an option, but I want to expose my son to more languages while he's young, so it'll probably be France - or the north west of Italy, near the border with France :)
Tall_Acanthaceae2475@reddit
The Netherlands isn't an easy place to live. I made so many friends there, but the weather was so depressing along with the sheer size.
VulcanHumour@reddit
So many of my friends feel this way about the Netherlands
notrightnow147@reddit
Me too
thefirstshallbelast@reddit
trade you for Colorado?
Mysterious_Button_47@reddit
Same
xdarkshinex@reddit
Me too.
Emotional-Ant8136@reddit
Same, unfortunately I've been here too long already, so might as well get another passport and leave.
ChiefinLasVegas@reddit
literally giving us nothing to chew off of. what are some anecdotal reasons you fee it's time to leave now?
Fiona-eva@reddit
This was me and Canada, moved from Montreal to London, and am happy as a clam, even though it’s 5 times more expensive
Rosycheex@reddit
London, Ontario? J/k 😂
nifkin420@reddit
Been living in Ireland for 4 years and I’m starting to feel this exact way. Everything here is so poorly run and everyone has this “it’ll be grand” attitude that just completely holds this coherent back from greatness. Just waiting on my citizenship later this year and I’m gonna try somewhere else in Europe because I don’t see myself going back home to the states for the foreseeable future.
Ordinary-Touch-8108@reddit
Absolutely yes. I left Spain just under a month ago, and my whole life there now feels like a fever dream. Despite making more friends there than I’ve ever had in my adult life and a non-stop social calendar, Spain and I just aren’t compatible in many mundane, day to day needs. Spain is an amazing country and I’m looking forward to going back for long weekends to visit my friends, but my personality and everyday life are far more suited to Northern Europe.
What you said about hating everything and everyone, all the time, rings so true. Every day I was like the real-life version of the annoyed Ben Affleck smoking a cigarette meme (except I’m a woman and non-smoker, but the exact same energy) and now the constant cortisol and dysregulation have dropped, I already feel (and look) like a totally different woman.
Sam_Sanders_@reddit
I'm really curious to hear more about what caused you to leave Spain. My wife and I are Americans who lived in France for a year and liked it but are looking for other countries, specifically sailing related. She has an EU citizenship.
We also really like Greece but were only there for 2 months so living full-time might be different. We haven't been to Spain. But we go to bed early and eat supper at 5:30!
Ordinary-Touch-8108@reddit
A few weeks ago, a friend of mine visited from a Greek city and said the way of life and mannerisms seemed similar, so that’s something to consider! But you’re right, that living there for even 2 months is different compared to say, 2 years.
To caveat what I said.. it’s me that’s not compatible with Spain. The lifestyle is loved by many people, and nobody was forcing me to be there, so it was on me to either make it work or to leave. The sticking points for me personally were (aside from what I mentioned about food and alone time): - schedules. Dinner is indeed very late! But also nothing else really runs or happens at agreed times, or times don’t get agreed and things are on a ‘whatever happens happens’ basis. Personally I prefer more structure in my day to day life, such as making reservations and everyone showing up on time, and other countries/societies lean more towards this too - needing to be assertive all the time. My own culture and personality really clashed with Spanish norms. I’m an introvert and very non-confrontational so the social norms were totally incompatible with what I’m comfortable and feel happy around. For example, even at the self-serve checkouts they’d come on over start scanning things for you, which defeats the whole object of using them to not interact with anyone - care for the environment. So much single use plastic, not much push for recycling, meat in pretty much every dish, and so so much fast fashion.. I’m sure Zara has entirely brand new stock every single week. I prefer shopping on Vinted/thrift stores, bringing my reusable cup to the coffee shop and it being normal, and buying books second hand and again, other countries and societies lean more to this mindset too - the dating scene. Not relevant to you and your wife, but personally, a huge problem! I was met constantly with a lack of seriousness and intention. I had the best dates with men from North America or Northern Europe, who were all unfortunately only there for a holiday.
Sam_Sanders_@reddit
Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate the insight!
Ordinary-Touch-8108@reddit
No problem, good luck with your move!
CountrysidePlease@reddit
I’m living in Spain for over two years now and I’m curious where did you move to, if you don’t mind sharing.
Ordinary-Touch-8108@reddit
Are you feeling similarly? I was in Madrid, and I’m going to trial living in Belgium now. Amongst many other factors, some important things I am looking for are: a really varied food scene (including more good international food, and much more vegetarian food), and somewhere where it’s more normal to do things alone too (as nice as it is to be with people). I like Belgium’s positioning too - you have Brussels, Antwerp, Ghent, Bruges, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and even parts of northern France doable on public transport for day weekend trips.
TheBlueFence@reddit
I struggle so much with the lack of veg options in Valencia- I would kill for a proper varied food scene again lol
Ordinary-Touch-8108@reddit
It was so welcome and surprising that there are many good sushi places Valencia with good veg options! In Madrid it was impossible to find just basic avocado rolls, there was random chicken in everything. I know what you mean though.. not quite a fully varied food scene!
Economy-Reading-2811@reddit
I assumed the variety of food was limited in Southern Spain (where I live) because of the traditional way of life and I assumed that when people say "youre lucky you live in Spain, I love the food" they meant Madrid 🤣🤣🤣
Ordinary-Touch-8108@reddit
Definitely not the case! If anything, it was great going on trips to Sevilla, Valencia, Galicia, even Malaga, and there being a touch more variety there than in Madrid (in restaurants at least). It was just a way of life, feeling half human half tortilla de patatas at all times!
Proof_Mycologist_220@reddit
I lived in Germany for seven years and eventually got tired of constantly complaining and being unhappy on my own, so I moved to a neighboring country. I was worried that maybe Europe and I just were not compatible, but it turned out it was not Europe at all. It was Germany and I that were not compatible.
Extra_Loquat_5599@reddit (OP)
I started complaining about some nonsense like how the buildings look.
Thats when i knew, this aint it for me.
ConstantSample5846@reddit
But that’s so German!
jawngoodman@reddit
some architecture is ass ugly tbf
Extra_Loquat_5599@reddit (OP)
Yeah, like what are these grey/white cube houses ?
🤢
StatementOwn4896@reddit
Sameeeee! I left and it was like “wow! You mean we can actually do stuff online for government stuff? And our IDs are actually used for everything online and it’s not just something you stuff in your wallet and forget about? And people are actually nice outside of work and not immediately hostile in everyday interactions?” Dude it was like a breath of fresh air. Plus the beer in Germany was pretty mid. Nothing crazy good and nothing bad but like meh. I will say Hefeweizen is God’s beer 🍺 that shit be dank af. But for real, other countries do so much more with their beer it feels like sometimes Germany is a place of complacency. At least Germany have me a deeper sense of connection with my ancestors because damn dog I felt I could get why they would run off to America.
Top-Albatross7765@reddit
Where did you move to after living in Germany?
proof_required@reddit
For me it's the nostalgia of being a FOB which has kept me in Germany. I remember the first summer, biking everywhere, meeting lot of new people. That was 10 years ago.
bewaregoldenfang@reddit
I’ve been in Germany 7 years and feel this way. Taking this post as a sign. Wondering where all you good people who left Germany found a better fit for yourselves after?
Otherwise_Repeat_294@reddit
Yes
bigopossums@reddit
I also feel the same way in Germany, maybe this post is a sign from the universe haha
mileHighMiraculix81@reddit
Same Situation and had the same thought lol.
bigopossums@reddit
This comes on top of an interaction I had on a train to Paris last month from Mannheim. Had the first real conversation in French that I've had in a while, which was to join in on discussion on how Germany is depressing and the food sucks. Then a German woman who has been living in France for a long time was asking me how I came to Germany and she said "oh I would NEVER live in Germany" and all I was thinking the whole time was "yep here's my giant neon sign"
Extra_Loquat_5599@reddit (OP)
It's always germans that left, that would rather eat hot coals than move back to Germany.
mileHighMiraculix81@reddit
This is true for me. Dual Citizen(DE/US) grew up here and went to US at 19 years of age.
HylanderUS@reddit
I'm German and last year I returned after 15 years in the US. Managed to stay for 3 months before I decided to move back to Texas again.
AccountForDoingWORK@reddit
lol you sound like me, I’m British and moved back to the U.K. after 15 years in the U.S. I won’t move back to the U.S. but I am very very done being in the UK.
thefirstshallbelast@reddit
Would love to trade with you even though you won’t go back to the US. I’m in Colorado and I miss England so much I want to die. I absolutely find everything about the US an utter turn off now. I can’t be happy anywhere here unless I have Brits or Europeans around…. Which I don’t. I’d kill to be back in the UK.
mileHighMiraculix81@reddit
We miss CO. Tell me more lol.
mileHighMiraculix81@reddit
If it was just me and the wife ....I think it would be an easier decision. I struggle with a decision on what's best for the kids.
AccountForDoingWORK@reddit
That’s our issue too. I don’t want us to get too settled and have the kids locked into a situation that’s bad for them in the long-term, and that’s what I’m afraid of the longer we stay in the U.K.
mileHighMiraculix81@reddit
Can't speak for the rest of the US but Colorado was getting pretty wild when we left 11 months ago.
mileHighMiraculix81@reddit
Can I ask where in Germany and what your reasons were that convinced you it was time to move back? Thx
HylanderUS@reddit
I moved back to Rheinland Pfalz where I grew up. What convinced me to move back is the insane amount of rules and regulations, and also how people just all religiously stick to them without there even being a need to enforce them. I kinda had forgotten about that. Also all the bureaucracy, how long everything takes and how far behind Germany still is technologically, without any chance to ever catch up by now
Leo25219@reddit
I lasted two years in Germany before I reached that point lol.
Nothing wrong with the country itself and there are many great things to say about it.
Just wasn't the right fit for me.
Realistic-Spray-5595@reddit
It’s the same moving from one state to another in the US, although there are strong similarities the regional differences get to you depending on what you’re used to..
Altruistic-Whole618@reddit
Where is next?
thefirstshallbelast@reddit
I hate being in the us as a us citizen. I lived in England for three years and have never known home since moving from England. I find I hate everything about America. I find all of it annoying, the people, the “culture,” the weather, everything. I’m currently in France and depressed AF that this is my last night until I fly back to Colorado tomorrow. Glad to hear I’m not alone in this even though we feel it towards different places.
SpiritMajestic7854@reddit
Feel the same in Switzerland.
SpiritMajestic7854@reddit
Feel the same in Switzerland. Cannot wait to move back to the UK
jawngoodman@reddit
There’s a major difference between actual Germany and Berlin. I can imagine actual Germany gets fatiguing after awhile. In Berlin, i had my phases of resentment, but have to say therapy, people and hobbies helped me navigate these phases.
nicktheduke@reddit
Me married with a kid in Poland lol
pinkandpurplepens@reddit
I was an international teacher for 6 years and this is absolutely the telltale sign that it’s time for someone to go. They become so bitter and frustrated with the local culture. A bad energy for everyone working with them
tripletruble@reddit
Left Germany a few years ago, after living there for 8 years. The other day I reflected on whether I missed the place and I recoiled at the thought of it. I respect Germany and I think it is an excellent place, but it's not for me
Kiwiatx@reddit
I was driven out by the NYC winters lol. Everything else was fine. I moved to California. And then Australia.
HVP2019@reddit
It is time to leave if there are way better alternatives, or if there is higher probability that things will be better in an another place.
General_Will_1072@reddit
Same feeling here though I feel it’s Europe