Makes me wonder why the 737 Max had to be such a fiasco. 757 and 767 appear to have less in common with each other than the 737s, yet they function and fly just the same without any design shenanigans or mcass. I mean I know the reason why, but it's still crazy.
I've never flown the 764, but I can BARELY tell the difference between the 75 and 76. The 76 is looser in the roll with those inboards, but that's literally it. They even land basically the same.
It was both. The Max was rushed into production because of AA put in a major order for the A320 NEO. A number of design decisions (MCAS being one of them) were made under pressure to require only a simple training class for pilots already certified on the 737NG. A major financial commitment was made to Southwest on this pilot training requirement.
Southwest has fought several attempts by Boeing to update the 737 in order to preserve commonality so they don’t have to have a different type rating.
When Boeing was designing the NG, they originally wanted to use the 757 nose and have more commonality with that aircraft. WN balked because it would mean new type rating.
WN was so damn cheap they took their -300s with round dial cockpits instead of the EFIS. They then had their -700s use displays that mimicked those old gauges on the LCD screens.
The 737 existing long past its sell by date is 100% due to WN. The day they are forced to take on a new fleet type, I’m going to be full of schadenfreude. AirWalmart has stymied progress for too long.
That photo could have been taken last week, or in 1983. The MCP even has the old-style physical numerals in the IAS, heading, and altitude windows that bounce around when you spin the related selector knob. The version I fly has the large-format displays out of a 777, which replace the 6 flight instruments, and it's a marked improvement. Makes the cockpit so much cleaner and more functional.
We had 737 Classics some of them had MCP with orange lit segmented displays and they were awful and low contrast, I’m glad we don’t fly them anymore and only the NGs which is so much better to fly
Boundary_layer_trip@reddit
A plane that “don’t owe nobody nuthin’”. And the 757 commonality was genius at my airline.
RandoDude124@reddit
The 757 and 767’s cockpits look virtually identical
Same attitude indicators, same airspeed indicator, same autopilot interface, hell, same throttle levers
Brambleshire@reddit
And same type rating.
Makes me wonder why the 737 Max had to be such a fiasco. 757 and 767 appear to have less in common with each other than the 737s, yet they function and fly just the same without any design shenanigans or mcass. I mean I know the reason why, but it's still crazy.
jabbs72@reddit
I don't think they fly all the same. Especially if you consider the 764. The fact that you can fly the 757 and 764 under the same type is wild.
Brambleshire@reddit
I've never flown the 764, but I can BARELY tell the difference between the 75 and 76. The 76 is looser in the roll with those inboards, but that's literally it. They even land basically the same.
jabbs72@reddit
That's really surprising to hear, I definitely like the handling of the 767 over the 757. Now the 753 lands so flat compared to the 752.
Brambleshire@reddit
If you use flaps 25 it's almost indistinguishable from the 200. But I use flaps 30 anyways for the novelty lol.
84Cressida@reddit
I doubt the FAA would allow today
They didn’t even let the 737 classic and MAX
jabbs72@reddit
I've flown a 757 and a 764 on the same trip.
84Cressida@reddit
Yes, I’m aware.
I’m saying I doubt the FAA would allow same type rating today.
84Cressida@reddit
The answer is always because of fucking Southwest
Golgen_boy@reddit
For the Max, it was American
8246962@reddit
It was both. The Max was rushed into production because of AA put in a major order for the A320 NEO. A number of design decisions (MCAS being one of them) were made under pressure to require only a simple training class for pilots already certified on the 737NG. A major financial commitment was made to Southwest on this pilot training requirement.
Possible-Buffalo-321@reddit
How so?
84Cressida@reddit
Southwest has fought several attempts by Boeing to update the 737 in order to preserve commonality so they don’t have to have a different type rating.
When Boeing was designing the NG, they originally wanted to use the 757 nose and have more commonality with that aircraft. WN balked because it would mean new type rating.
WN was so damn cheap they took their -300s with round dial cockpits instead of the EFIS. They then had their -700s use displays that mimicked those old gauges on the LCD screens.
The 737 existing long past its sell by date is 100% due to WN. The day they are forced to take on a new fleet type, I’m going to be full of schadenfreude. AirWalmart has stymied progress for too long.
mattyk75@reddit
That photo could have been taken last week, or in 1983. The MCP even has the old-style physical numerals in the IAS, heading, and altitude windows that bounce around when you spin the related selector knob. The version I fly has the large-format displays out of a 777, which replace the 6 flight instruments, and it's a marked improvement. Makes the cockpit so much cleaner and more functional.
Hugo_5t1gl1tz@reddit
If that registration is N670UA, as best I can tell, it is in fact a still operating 763
84Cressida@reddit
It is N670UA. I recognize those “6670” stickers anywhere as UA
fresh_like_Oprah@reddit
66 at NWA was a whale, 67 a freighter, and 63 a dash 400
FMC_Speed@reddit
We had 737 Classics some of them had MCP with orange lit segmented displays and they were awful and low contrast, I’m glad we don’t fly them anymore and only the NGs which is so much better to fly
TryOurMozzSticks@reddit
Some of our 76s have updated digital MCP panels. I assume when an old one breaks the digital is put in.
dsamajors@reddit
I love the brown interior
Boundish91@reddit
70s brown galore. Even though it's an 80s aeroplane.
Looks warm and cozy though.
Impressive-Yak-7449@reddit
That's typical Boeing cockpit color
Swagger897@reddit
Before the 57 and 67, no other Boeing shared this color palette. So no, not the typical color for this era.
Impressive-Yak-7449@reddit
Typical from this point forward 57, 67, 77, 87
nilsmf@reddit
So seventies that you wonder where the ashtray is.
MC_ScattCatt@reddit
My office. Although this appears to be a bit older
schphinct@reddit
Ha! I just flew that jet!
SlapThatAce@reddit
Looks like the inside of a Sears store
rohepey@reddit
It must have been manufactured for Ryanair judging from legspace.
Brambleshire@reddit
The chair is scooted all the way up
aftcg@reddit
Miss flying these. A dammed cadillac
blizzue@reddit
Flown that very jet several times.
rhineauto@reddit
Source: https://www.airliners.net/photo/United-Airlines/Boeing-767-322-ER/1374914/L
Bright-light320@reddit
Funny to read the seat instructions.
isaacMeowton@reddit
Man I can’t imagine how futuristic it must have felt when the 76 was launched.
Twitter_2006@reddit (OP)
If the 767 hadn't happened, then who knows what the legendary 777 would have been like a decade later.
West_Good_5961@reddit
Yes.