ULPT: If you've been uploaded to a NSFW site without consent.
Posted by TheDnBDawl@reddit | UnethicalLifeProTips | View on Reddit | 77 comments
Contact the site and tell them you were 16 at the time of filming. They'll ask for no proof and remove the videos instantly.
Ask me how I know. (Please don't)
perfetc42@reddit
I've tried this with pictures of myself that actually were from when I was underage. Nothing changed or got taken down, it's been 20 years and I still get random messages from strangers even after I changed my phone number and last name. I'm often tempted to respond with a picture of my aging face like "sorry that girl doesn't exist anymore" lol
TheDnBDawl@reddit (OP)
Holy shit, I'm so sorry. It looks like there's some suggestions for a site in the comments to submit something that flags your pictures.
My slightly unethical suggestion is screenshotting the messages for their mother's and wives.
sbryan_@reddit
I feel like you misuse the word unethical a little bit lol. If a person is messaging who they think to be children online their family should know, that way his relatives know he can't be trusted alone with children. That could end up saving a child or multiple children from irl abuse. If anything I'd say messaging their family with screenshots is a VERY ethical thing to do.
perfetc42@reddit
Ooh I've heard of people doing that, I forgot about it. For the Facebook messages that would totally be possible! Gonna try it next time đ
burpdaddy@reddit
That site has made money from your picture for 20 years equates to a $1M+ lawsuit and a criminal conviction for the underage.
sbryan_@reddit
If the site is based in a country that doesnât extradite Iâm not sure if you can, especially if itâs a country where said content is legal. For example, if someone in Russia is selling/distributing your copyrighted material you can try to sue, but they canât be forced to appear in court and itâs not illegal in Russia so they wonât be prosecuted there either. A few popular Nintendo rom sites are based in Russia and not even Nintendo can do anything about them. Not sure if it would be the same in this situation but I doubt our government cares more about this than they do copyright so Iâm assuming it would.
perfetc42@reddit
They were originally on 4chan and Tumblr, then ended up on some website called Let's Degrade Her, which has been shut down but it had my full name and phone number. Now idk where people are even finding it ha, oh well
_heidin@reddit
But if they ask for proof, how do I provide it?
sels1997@reddit
But youâre asking to see peopleâs penis? This is oddâŚ.
TheDnBDawl@reddit (OP)
Seems tamer than commenting on r / blondejerk đ¤ˇ
sels1997@reddit
Yehhhhhhhh buddddyyyyyyyyyyyyyy đ
Chronolog@reddit
Did you literally go to OPs post history, see a meme, and without even clicking on the meme, assume they were asking to see someone penis as a gotcha? What a loser.
sels1997@reddit
Thanks honey
TheDnBDawl@reddit (OP)
Took me a moment to realize they were talking about a Christmas ornament.
East-Caramel-2994@reddit
You can also go to takeitdown.org
bluemasonjar@reddit
Modern problems require modern solutions
nikhkin@reddit
I don't think it's unethical to use any means necessary to have revenge porn removed from a website.
In a civilised country, you wouldn't even need to lie. You can just state it was shared without permission or use the right to be forgotten.
MrDudadele@reddit
Lll
esr360@reddit
Itâs lying which is unethical. However, it is not immoral.
nikhkin@reddit
Unethical means it is morally wrong.
Chicken_cordon_bleu@reddit
Would it be morally wrong to lie about what you ate for breakfast to save your mother from being killed?
nikhkin@reddit
No, and it wouldn't be unethical, either.
wtporter@reddit
That depends on whether you believe a moral rule is absolute. If you follow Kantâs theory then the moral prohibition against lying is absolute regardless of the reason for doing it. A very specific example used for his logic is how lying to a murderer at the door about whether someone is home would be an immoral act.
esr360@reddit
Thereâs a subtle difference. Ethics are external, codified rules of conduct set by groups (professional, social, or societal), while morals are internal, personal beliefs regarding right and wrong.
Apprehensive_Hat8986@reddit
That depends wholly on the domain being discussed. And either colloquially or philosphically moral and ethical are often interchangable terms.
EagleBigMac@reddit
It's more a mix of what you're saying,
Morals are generally external, while Ethics are the internal application or the systematic study of those codes.
Morals usually refer to a set of specific beliefs, habits, or principles that are shared by a particular group or society. They are often "handed down" through culture, religion, or community standards.
They provide a "blueprint" for right and wrong behavior within a specific context.
For example a community might have a moral code that emphasizes "honesty above all" or "loyalty to the family." If you grow up in that community, you are taught these as objective rules.
Ethics can often be viewed as the individual's attempt to determine what is right by using reason. While morals tell you what to do, ethics involve the why and how. An "ethical" person might follow a professional code (like a lawyer or doctor) or their own internal set of principles derived from critical thinking.
They are often more abstract and universal distilling a moral down to its core. Ethics are the "science" of morals.
To give an example a person might find it "immoral" to lie because their religion says so, but "unethical" because they believe, through reason, that truth is necessary for a functional society.
Saleen_af@reddit
How can you be so confidently incorrect, itâs genuinely annoying as shit.
Morals are personal, ethics are external. Literally everyone agrees on this, it is a fact.
Are you a troll? You typed a novel of slop and drivel, pretending to sound smart but you are an idiot
OilheadRider@reddit
Yeah but, a civilized world would be lead by a cabal of insanely rich people who rape children with impunity.
looks around
Yeah. A world built on lies required lies to continue to exist.
nikhkin@reddit
Fortunately I live in a country with decent revenge porn laws.
ThePanoptic@reddit
The U.S. congress also passed a law that made this illegal, Iâm pretty sure itâs illegal almost everywhere.
EtchingsOfTheNight@reddit
Yeah, well rape is illegal too and look at how often that gets prosecuted.
biggerty123@reddit
Laws aren't meaningful if not enforced
AJR6905@reddit
And if the only penalty is a fine that's just cost of business
Y33S@reddit
Cries in American
Y33S@reddit
Maybe unethical because it's sort of threatening a felony accusal? Even so, they probably won't really remove it unless forced to so I'd still say that in a heartbeat?
WithOneHeadlight@reddit
Fully approve of this ULPT.
Financial_Yard_389@reddit
Wow youâre so brave
WithOneHeadlight@reddit
Itâs basically ethical.
Lirfen@reddit
Ethical lie
Greenfire904@reddit
This works until the site reports the upload to NCMEC and you're in trouble for false accusations
risus_nex@reddit
This is a website recommended by the police if you think a video or photo of yourself got leaked somewhere.
systranerror@reddit
It doesnât actually do anything. It turns your image into a hash and puts the hash on a list that may or may not propagate to various social media platforms who may or may not do anything with it.
Because hashes are one-way, there is no way for them to check the content of what you upload, so you could upload a picture of a lamp and they would have no way of knowing if itâs a lamp or NCII.
NCMEC is pretty notorious for things that make them look good but donât actually do anything.
They are actually very good specifically at locating child predators who upload CSAM and getting them arrested, but tools like this are mostly PR. There is no follow up of you use it either. You are just sending a hash into the void and hoping it does something
flag_ua@reddit
Ideally you would want your private photos as a hash⌠Are you suggesting that they should just keep the raw photos in their own database (which could be leaked all over again?)
systranerror@reddit
Iâm not directly suggesting that, and my suggestion would depend on the nature of the leak. For instance, in a case where an ex-boyfriend tells you âIâm going to leak the nude photos I have of you if you donât get back together with me,â in this case the risk of sending the images you think he will leak and potentially putting them online when they werenât online at all is not worth the risk.
However, in a case where the photos are already leaked and you found them online, the risk of NCMEC storing photos rather than hashes is a minimal risk at this point.
The reality of take it downâs system though is that none of this is factored in, and they are simply doing the most generically safe possible thing, but that is also the most materially useless thing as well.
NCMECâs tendency on everything is to offload the real work to platforms while also ignoring the open internet. They then take credit for having a tool or doing something. Victims feel like they have done something, but they are not actually helped at all. This tool is a clear example of this.
If your image is leaked on 4chan or Statewins, for example, how would take it down get it removed?
4chan (possibly) or statewins (they never would) would need to filter all images on their site through the take it down hashlist, then remove ANYTHING that got a hit.
What happens if I submit a ton of photos that arenât even of me into take it down? At what point in the process can NCMEC verify that these are actual NCII photos, or that they are of me? The hashes are one-way, and the hashing happens locally on my device, so they cannot.
Possible for âtrusted platformsâ like Meta that have close working relationships with NCMEC, Meta may have built out handling for the take it down hashlist onto their platforms, so after a hashlist hit, Facebook or Instagram may then check the photo and have to make a judgement call as to whether the photo is potential NCII or not and then whether it should be taken down or not. It is possible the tool is occasionally doing something useful on these platforms, but most of these cases are platforms which donât allow nudity anyway, so any NCII would be filtered out with nudity detection and the hashlist is superfluous.
For any non-massive platform, like a random shady website that tends to host leaked images, how is this tool going to get your content off those sites? If the shady site owned by a guy who is intentionally doxxing and seeking out NCII, unless he is going out of his way to comply with this hashlist, it will do nothing.
The best thing you can do is to submit de-indexing requests to Google (extremely impactful to uncouple your name etc. with those images on search results), and to send takedown requests directly to webmasters of sites. Take it Down bothers me a lot because it gives victims a false sense of security while accomplishing likely nothing
flyingdooomguy@reddit
Dang, mind me asking how do you know?
The_AlmightyApple@reddit
Can you read? They literally say dont ask!
squeakinator@reddit
Then I demand to know
capaman@reddit
Not even unethical.
On an unrelated note: how do you know, OP?
beegproblemzzz@reddit
Because they had material of them uploaded without permisson online and used this tactic to great effect. I found this info out via the power of inference.
Rikudou_Sage@reddit
Inference? Found the AI bot! /s
InsanityyyyBR@reddit
Yes but how did they find out? Were they randomly scrolling through pron only to suddenly see themselves?
homies3001@reddit
Out of pocket, dude
bmmana@reddit
Reading comprehension skills are a lost art.
beegproblemzzz@reddit
As a JJK fan I can't even read what you're saying
Corleone_Michael@reddit
We got Sherlock Holmes here
calasterism@reddit
They literally said not to ask...
rodmandirect@reddit
reggie316@reddit
Uploading other peopleâs nudes or other similar pics without consent is illegal at least in most of the US. You should be able to pursue legal action to get them removed and go after the person who uploaded them
Windows_10-Chan@reddit
That's a lot of effort
Grabsomepine-meat@reddit
Did this when someone posted revenge porn of me. Taken down instantly.
fanatiqual@reddit
This is ethical. Revenge porn is unethical.
HugsandHate@reddit
"Why do you have white hair and a full beard?"
Compulawyer@reddit
It was added by AI.
jiggscaseyNJ@reddit
I told the site the donkey didnât have consent to film.
brainhack3r@reddit
Sites in the future: "sorry, it was AI so we're not going to remove it because we like the money"
brainhack3r@reddit
Sites in the future: "sorry, it was AI so we're not going to remove it because we like the money"
Great_AlbaCross@reddit
The site should remove it without questions nevertheless if it's uploaded without consent
DookieShoez@reddit
Who has time to wait around for them to do what they should?
_azazel_keter_@reddit
when this happened to me I just sent it to a couple friends to report and they took it down
Valuable-Way-5464@reddit
HOW DO YOU KNOW IT
Mitir01@reddit
There is past behavior of these 18+ sites where they didn't remove stuff until a lawyer sent an official letter. I'd say, use any method you want.
fragileirl@reddit
Also a good threat if you suspect an ex isnât gonna delete your nsfw photos.
Diligent_Highlight63@reddit
What do you mean? Obviously your ex would know if you were actually underage so lying about being under age wouldnât really help with making them delete it?
Difficult-Prior3321@reddit
You tell them if they don't delete you will report it as underage. Cops are gonna arrest and seize devices. Basically make their life a living hell for months until it gets sorted out.
CurrentRisk@reddit
This is not unethical imo and I think it is not as easy. It might get removed but will be reuploaded by others or like PH previously did, remove the video and keep the link up. People will still somehow find its way to it.
Cogo-G@reddit
how i know
The_best_is_yet@reddit
Why you downvoted?