‘Sent to be killed’: How Russia forces migrants to fight in Ukraine - Life expectancy on the front line for Central Asian migrants forced to fight for Russia in Ukraine is just four months.

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CptPicard@reddit

I know this is a bit of a grim thought but considering the amount of blind boosterism for Russia I see from some quarters of the world, maybe this and similar events serve as a wake-up call.

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Wake up call for who? Ukraine does the same to people who volunteer to fight for them. Any person volunteering to fight in someone's else war is asking to be used a meat for the meat grinder. Every foreign voluntary is one less Ukrainian or Russian that has to die. Situation is not much better for mercenaries that join foreign regiments. They get their documents whitheld, are humiliated and then sent to the frontline while the commanders of those regiments profit per head they bring to the war.

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polymute@reddit (OP)

Volunteer? Russia press gaged them based on ethnicity with threats of HIV prison rape.

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kwonza@reddit

Four months is a very long life expectancy for a front like soldiers. Also how is this any different from the French Foreign legion? There are literally millions of migrants that cone solely for work and want none of that shit. Some go for a quick buck and a shortcut to citizenship so they join the army.

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4latar@reddit

you're asking what the difference is between having the option of joining the army as one path of many to citizenship, and being forced into joining the frontlines or dying? are you that dense?

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kwonza@reddit

Saying “No” is also an option, you know? Foreign people who join the are looking for a quick buck and it’s their choice.

I know at least five folks who we offered that shit and politely declined.

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4latar@reddit

Salohidinov says he never interacted with the alleged criminals, but nevertheless spent nine months in the Kresty-2 pre-trial detention centre about 32km (20 miles) from the city, while a judge refused to start his trial because of the “weak evidence” against him.
But instead of releasing him after that, prison wardens threatened to place him in a cell with HIV-infected inmates who, they said, would gang-rape him – unless he “volunteered” to fight in Ukraine.
“They said, ‘Oh, you’ll put on a skirt now, you’ll be raped,’” Salohidinov, who has raven black hair and a messy full beard, told Al Jazeera at a centre for war prisoners in northeastern Ukraine, where he is now being held, having been captured in January this year by Ukrainian forces.

oh yeah, lots of choice here...

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kwonza@reddit

Sure, because defectors always tell the truth and would never try to whitewash their involvement.

Reminds me how every single member of Azov battalion that got captured claimed to be “just a cook” not involved in any war crimes

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4latar@reddit

so your argument is "nuh uh, didn't happen"?

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kwonza@reddit

I wouldn’t say that but I’m certainly doubtful.

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usesidedoor@reddit

Deception keeps coming up in interviews with these folks/their relatives, but it's always easier to blame the victims, as you are doing.

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Just-use-your-head@reddit

Why are you acting like skepticism is bad? Can we not question our sources? Literally 90% of articles showing anything negative about Ukraine will have comments saying “nuh uh, didn’t happen”

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FullConfection3260@reddit

Why they needed to describe his hair and beards smells of an agenda. 🤨

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4latar@reddit

oh yes, he has black hair so... um... so what ?

i agree it's kind of weird to say it like that instead of just mentionning he's in a rought state, but what kind of agenda could this possibly push ?

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sakezaf123@reddit

Of what agenda? Guy spent almost a year on the frontline and the prison combined, of course he has messy hair and a beard. I think that's what the author was getting at, I don't know what agenda might that have? That russia discriminates against black haired people? That's quite a lot of people, but I'm sure there are black haired native russians aplenty.

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Czart@reddit

The Blonde Agenda of course! Al Jazeera over here is pushing the Big Hair Bleach on us. Wake up sheeple!

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MrDemonRush@reddit

Ты ведь в курсе, что из штормов люди не возвращаются, и многим вариант с отказаться недоступен? Есть баты, где буквально при приходе в состояние полной непригодности арты людей буквально отправляли в шторма, и на данный момент там буквально не просят о пополнении ЛС, так как таким образом можно отказать по причине нехватки людей?

Вот и с рандомами мне что-то кажется что не был применен вариант с возможностью отказа, или таковой испарился по ходу беседы.

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kwonza@reddit

Угу, угу, что ещё рассказывают? Даже автоматов не дают и надо с мёртвых подбирать?

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MrDemonRush@reddit

Шутки с прибаутками отставить, а то и вовсе окажется, что товарищ Путин просто жалеет бедную Украину, потому клюет по зёрнышку.

У тебя там расчеты БПЛА по приколу кидают в штурм и даже после самого, наверное, публичного результата, Пузик все ещё командует. А в других местах за людьми смотрит примерно никто.

Хотя бы сейчас от солдат не требуется закупить все самим перед уходом, в первые года тебе бы автомат и аптечку времён царя гороха выдали от государства.

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SaneForCocoaPuffs@reddit

Are you comparing the Russian military to one of the first nations in WWII to fall against the Germans?

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Turkey-Scientist@reddit

Wtf kind of nonsensical reply is this? You managed to sound more ridiculous than the original comment, which is quite impressive.

Not as impressive, though, as the fact you picked the single worst country to go clutch your pearls about regarding WW2 (again, completely out of nowhere).

I regret to inform you that ~80% of German deaths in WW2 occurred at the hands of the (gasp) Russian military

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Valokoura@reddit

That was quite interesting take. I didn't know that this is how police and justice system in Russia "recruits" central asian people.

At least it is consistent with other ways of recruiting people like using criminals etc. people who are not wanted by people in power.

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